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2012-10-04 11:59:26 AM  

WhiskeySticks: In her early facebook postings to others in the community before this blew up - I live in the area - she didn't want to turn this into an event where everyone shiats on this man as she tried to keep his identity hidden.


Then, she shouldn't have mis-labeled him as a "bully". He exhibited not a single "bullying" behavior. He didn't call her any names. He didn't chastise her publicly. He tried to keep his criticism and the exchange private. It was she and her husband who had to turn this into a stampede, in an attempt to garner public support from the herd. Are you a bully if you tell somebody, (in private,) "You should probably brush your teeth. Your breath smells like rancid ass." are you a bully if you tell somebody, "Go smoke outside. There are children in here."? No, in fact, she is the bully, using her bully pulpit to shout this guy down. If she's active in the community, good for her. Of course she's "more than just a number." But the fact remains: he's totally correct in telling her that she's setting a bad example for children. Substance abuse is unhealthy, whether it be alcohol, tobacco, drugs, or carbohydrates. Just because her drug of choice is legal, doesn't make it (or her,) any better.
 
2012-10-04 12:01:24 PM  

HiFiGuy: I almost wish she had some kind of medical condition (e.g. actually pregnant or needed steroids) that caused her to be fat


When you take steroids, you need to cut down on your caloric intake. Is a hippie any better just because he got a doctor to write him a prescription for marijuana?
 
2012-10-04 12:03:11 PM  

PallMall: thelordofcheese: Being a fatty requires eating more than your fair share, diminishing stock and raising costs of food for everyone else.


Redistribution? Ew, gross. We aren't birds.
 
2012-10-04 12:03:41 PM  
When pictures of her family leak out and it shows she is killing her daughters by over feeding and under exercising them, will the fatty-defenders still support her child abuse?


// setting a bad example is only wrong for smokers and drinkers, amiright?
 
2012-10-04 12:07:09 PM  

kab: WhiskeySticks: $5 says this guy not only own a pair of rollerblades but uses them on a regular basis.

Based on those uber-cool knee and elbow pads he's sportin, I'd say it's a given.


You sound stupid.

Or don't realize how dangerous off-trail riding can be.
 
2012-10-04 12:09:04 PM  

thelordofcheese: PallMall: thelordofcheese: Being a fatty requires eating more than your fair share, diminishing stock and raising costs of food for everyone else.

Redistribution? Ew, gross. We aren't birds.


It's time we introduce a Bill to take foodstamps from fatties and give to skinnies. I shall dub it: Jack Sprat's Law.
 
2012-10-04 12:17:07 PM  

Marisyana: Established: guy seems douchey but stands behind what he wrote, which was worded well
Established: woman is a thin-skinned whiner. And fat
Established: people have no farking idea what bullying is anymore


"Arbeit macht fries with that?"
 
kab
2012-10-04 12:17:11 PM  

thelordofcheese: You sound stupid.

Or don't realize how dangerous off-trail riding can be.


Let us know when you can form a rebuttal without leaning on a tired meme. And if you yourself had a clue, you'd realize that that protective gear isn't going to do much of anything for him.
 
2012-10-04 12:19:38 PM  

HAMMERTOE: No, in fact, she is the bully, using her bully pulpit to shout this guy down.


She did offer him a chance to explain his opinion face to face. He declined. Probably too busy pumping out curls while on the treadmill.
 
2012-10-04 12:35:29 PM  

WhiskeySticks: She did offer him a chance to explain his opinion face to face. He declined


His letter said it all. No further explanation was necessary. If I send a letter to a media personality, telling them, "You shouldn't smoke. It's unhealthy, and you're setting a bad example," do I need to explain further, "face to face"? Of course not. That was just a passive-aggressive attempt to intimidate him. More bully behavior on her part. As for whether he was pumping curls, or on a treadmill, or on roller blades, if the posted picture above is any indication, he's a lot more active and in better shape than she is, regardless of anybody's attempts to demean him for it.
 
2012-10-04 12:35:42 PM  

GregoryD: MoeSzyslak: GregoryD: Does science support that being fat is a lifestyle choice?

Does science support that inner city poor blacks murder each other with guns at crazy high rates but poor whites don't? It's a lifestyle choice. Fat people choose to keep eating and inner city blacks choose to keep killing each other. Go ahead and tell me that's not the case with either.  Put the guns and forks down.

I'm sorry if the facts get in the way of your prejudices and inflated sense of self-control.


#WhatIfChicago (ask Rahm) not what if Kentucky. Call the truth prejudiced. It doesn't change reality. It doesn't happen in poor white areas and you know that. OMG the truth is racist!!! If FARK wasn't so white I'd shoot!!!!  Instead I think I'll do a puzzle.
 
2012-10-04 12:51:09 PM  
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2012-10-04 12:19:38 PM


HAMMERTOE: No, in fact, she is the bully, using her bully pulpit to shout this guy down.

She did offer him a chance to explain his opinion face to face. He declined. Probably too busy pumping out curls while on the treadmill.




Yeah! Anyone who works out is a dick!
 
2012-10-04 12:56:24 PM  

Brostorm: Barfmaker: It's not about whether he was inaccurate. Yes she's overweight and even obese, that's not the point.

Yes she is also an infantile attention whore who could have handled it like an adult but decided the proper thing to do was cry about someone being a bully when they clearly were not. Its like Im really on Jezebel


Yes, it is.
 
2012-10-04 01:01:51 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: Hypothyroidism or Cushing's syndrome.



My wife was treated for Cushing's TWICE.........that's not FAT it's ROUND. Seriously they don't get the rolls of fat they look almost exactly like a 5 year old would draw a fat person, just round like a snowman. It's kinda weird to look at pictures of her from that time.

While it did stunt her growth (she's 5'1" on a good day and the next shortest in her family is 5'9") she's not fat now.

And there are studies that show that alcoholism and other addictive behaviors may be caused by genetic predisposition. So just telling a drunk to clean himself up is just as insensitive.

Don't feel like going back to find out who but someone mentioned depression and just telling someone to stop......that's exactly what got me out of depression. And actually would probably help many more people. I didn't realize I had depression, just thought things were going shiatty, and that I would probably never get anywhere in life. Then I had a co-worker pull me aside and tell me that I needed to stop being down all the time. Which got me thinking, went to the doctor, got some help and now I feel much better.

So for someone to say "don't you think they know?!?!?!" they might not, or they may not fully understand.
 
2012-10-04 01:03:36 PM  

HAMMERTOE: WhiskeySticks: She did offer him a chance to explain his opinion face to face. He declined

His letter said it all. No further explanation was necessary. If I send a letter to a media personality, telling them, "You shouldn't smoke. It's unhealthy, and you're setting a bad example," do I need to explain further, "face to face"?


You need to at least explain why your opinion means anything and is worthy of consideration.

I've been reading your posts all thread, and your grammar is terrible. You're setting a bad example for everyone on the internet. No more discussion is needed on that matter.
 
2012-10-04 01:09:09 PM  

stonicus: I've been reading your posts all thread, and your grammar is terrible. You're setting a bad example for everyone on the internet. No more discussion is needed on that matter.


Puh-leaze. My grammar and diction is beyond reproach.

Bully.
 
2012-10-04 01:11:22 PM  

Voiceofreason01: How many times does it need to be said: DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS


'cuz they'll get fat, of course.
 
2012-10-04 01:15:42 PM  

Marisyana: Established: guy seems douchey but stands behind what he wrote, which was worded well
Established: woman is a thin-skinned whiner. And fat
Established: people have no farking idea what bullying is anymore


*Slow Clap*
 
2012-10-04 01:19:01 PM  
So, I feel compelled to tell my story here, after seeing the usual "fat people are just lazy" postings.

For reference, here is a chart of my weight loss over the past 2 years:

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I am what is commonly known as a "land whale", or "fatty boombalatty", "porker", "fatass", etc. You get the picture. 2 years ago I weighed 470 pounds. Today I weigh 374. I work a desk job with very demanding hours, the only job I am able to find. When I left college I bought a car and most of my physical exercise (on a bicycle) disappeared from my life. I gained a LOT of weight. I do not eat an exorbitant amount of food however. I went to "fat counseling" groups. There are some people there who go eat fast food 4 times a day, and whenever they go they eat 2-3 burgers in one sitting. I am not and have never been one of those people. I order small portions whenever I go out to eat, I only eat 3 meals a day, and yet I still nearly hit 500 pounds.

I've been called many many things over the years. It began with my parents. My brother is as skinny as a toothpick; so whenever food went missing from the house naturally I got blamed since I was heavier. This pissed me off because it was my brother eating the food all along, and yet everyone always felt it was ok to pile on me because I was the fat one. I was highly amused when I moved out at 18 and the food kept disappearing. Still never got an apology though.

The constant insults through life did a huge number on my self esteem. I locked myself up in seclusion for most of my 20's and ignored the outside world. I gained a ridiculous amount of weight because I ceased caring about myself since the rest of the world seemed to have written me off long ago anyway. Then one day I had to be hospitalized for high blood pressure. That was a real wakeup call. I started exercising 30 minutes a day 5 times a week, and eating healthy (1800 calories a day). Nothing changed. My weight flatlined for a month. Dropped the food down another notch (1500 a day, basically starvation level sustenance) and increased the exercise to 150 minutes a day 6 times a week (15 hours a week), and finally I started losing weight at a rate of 3 pounds a week (phase 1).

I was exercising indoors, but unfortunately there's only so much I can take before I went mad. After losing about 70 pounds I felt a lot better about myself; a lot more self confident. I slowed down on the exercise so I could begin having a social life of some sort; I stuck to 2 hours a day 5 times a week (10 hours a week), and my weight loss took a big hit (phase 2). I was still losing, but less than a pound a week now, and the rate was beginning to slow significantly as I lost weight, because the less I weighed, the less I burned exercising.

Well, then something bad happened in my family. I had to take care of some people and the exercise slowed down to a crawl. The one and only reason I was able to maintain 10-15 hours of exercise a week previously was because I had no family responsibilities and I was lucky not to get sick or seriously ill. But now that I had to take care of other people I could only do about 5 hours of exercise a week. 5 hours + 1500 calories a day = weight gain of nearly 2 pounds a week for me. This depressed me beyond all hope and I even stopped weighing myself regularly. This was phase 3.

Finally, after I started feeling like crap again and my family responsibilities were no longer needed, I was able to begin focusing on myself again. Pissed off that I lost 8 months worth of progress, I stopped all socializing and went die hard back to 15 hours (and sometimes up to 20!) of biking a week. Unfortunately after a month I began to lose my sanity again. Sure I reversed the weight gain (phase 4), but with 15-20 hours a week of biking there was literally no time to socialize again and found myself ostracized once more. Finally, I decided I would look for a bike club, which would turn out to be my savior. I joined the club and now socialize and exercise at the same time. I'm losing a steady 1.3 pounds a week again, but as my weight recedes I expect this rate will once again lower as well. Keep in mind this is on a barely sustenance 1500 calorie diet too.

This is literally the only thing that is ever going to work for me. There is no way in hell I am ever going to be able to handle my weight and a family at the same time. As soon as I have children and all sorts of other responsibilities, the exercise is going to fly right out the window because there simply will not be enough time. I never spend time with my old friends anymore because they don't exercise.

So when people go around saying that I'm fat just because I'm lazy, I love to point to the graph where I was exercising 5 hours a week and eating far less than the average person and STILL gained 2 pounds a week. Most people think weight loss is as simple as calories in, calories out, but that's just not true. Some of our bodies love converting calories into fat. It's something I have to live with, and I really wish people would have been more accepting of this fact when I was younger, and encouraged me to actually care about myself. But it was far easier to destroy my self confidence and make me feel worthless. Even today I'll have people in cars scream at me "get off the road fatass, you're not fooling anyone!" when I'm biking (it's almost always pickup truck drivers for some reason). I'm glad that I have enough confidence to flip them off and keep on cycling; but I can see weaker-willed people giving up and falling back to a sedentary lifestyle after so many insults.

Anyway, that's my story. Some of us need to exercise 15-20 hours a week to lose weight, and if you can't understand what kind of a personal sacrifice to life that will make, then there's simply no point in arguing. I'd love to see if there's any activity besides sleeping and working that any of the namecallers here are able to maintain in their life for 15-20 hours without going insane. We're not all lazy, and I would appreciate it if you would stop judging all of us without getting to know a damn thing about us.
 
2012-10-04 01:22:01 PM  

MithrandirBooga: "land whale", "fatty boombalatty", "porker", "fatass", etc. You get the picture. Today I weigh 374. I work a desk job


Poor desk.

Oh, and Cool Story, Bro!
 
2012-10-04 01:24:59 PM  
Amusingly, assholes never like being called assholes. Apparently, it hurts their feelings when you do that.

Asshole: "You're fat."

Everybody with functioning eyesight: "Thanks, Sherlock. You're a farking genius. I never would have realized how hefty that news reader is until you pointed it out using your superior powers of observation."
 
2012-10-04 01:27:21 PM  
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2012-10-04 01:24:59 PM


Amusingly, assholes never like being called assholes. Apparently, it hurts their feelings when you do that.

Asshole: "You're fat."

Everybody with functioning eyesight: "Thanks, Sherlock. You're a farking genius. I never would have realized how hefty that news reader is until you pointed it out using your superior powers of observation."




Please stop bullying other people.
 
2012-10-04 01:37:18 PM  
It's pretty pathetic that he cares so much about how someone he doesn't even know looks, obviously Krause has an overly inflated ego and too much time on his hands. He's not a handsome guy himself, perhaps he should go out and have some plastic surgery on his face to be more good looking, as we have to look at pictures of him and he's not a good role model for my dog to see in public.
 
2012-10-04 01:41:40 PM  

MithrandirBooga: ...
The constant insults through life did a huge number on my self esteem. I locked myself up in seclusion for most of my 20's and ignored the outside world. I gained a ridiculous amount of weight because I ceased caring about myself since the rest of the world seemed to have written me off long ago anyway. Then one day I had to be hospitalized for high blood pressure. That was a real wakeup call. I started exercising 30 minutes a day 5 times a week, and eating healthy (1800 calories a day). Nothing changed. My weight flatlined for a month. Dropped the ...


Get counseling and try Atkins.

Exercising like that sounds like addictive/compulsive behavior (like overeating). Quality of diet and exercise is a lot more important than the quantity.
 
2012-10-04 01:54:14 PM  

thelordofcheese: Being a fatty requires eating more than your fair share, diminishing stock and raising costs of food for everyone else.


That argument might work if the US didn't throw away nearly half the food it produces. Nobody in this country is going hungry or paying more for food because the Fatty McFattersons are eating too much.
 
2012-10-04 01:57:01 PM  
MithrandirBooga , good to hear your story. I'm curious what you are doing for exercise. 15-20 hours of exercise a week seems insane to me unless you are a competitive athlete. Even then, I put in half that much as a competitive runner.

Are you lifting weights? Do you ever run? Do you use a heart rate monitor or anything to monitor your effort? You are clearly willing to work hard, but I wonder if you are working smart. Tell us what you do, some of us could throw out suggestions and you can take them or leave.
 
2012-10-04 02:01:04 PM  

IRQ12: Get counseling and try Atkins a diet that isn't designed to send your body into ketosis, which overworks your kidneys and diminishes muscle mass.


FTFY

/Atkins is a terrible thing to your body.
 
2012-10-04 02:13:15 PM  

MithrandirBooga: So, I feel compelled to tell my story here, after seeing the usual "fat people are just lazy" postings.


Interesting story. And I wouldn't go so far as to say that you're fat because you're lazy. Many factors go into our bodily bank accounts. If you've done the research, then I'm sure you're aware that weight will actually increase the first few weeks of regular exercise, as you replace fat tissue with muscle tissue, which is far more dense. The good news: the more muscle tissue you replace fat with, the more energy you burn at rest. The bad news: the more muscle tissue you build, the harder you have to work out to see more results. While this shouldn't be a problem, per se, it does depend on the underlying strength of your joints. I've been a very slender individual most of my life, around 160, no mater what I did. Then I quit smoking, and got a truck-driving job. My weight got all the way to 210 before I decided to do something about this gut I've been building up. Stupid, stubborn gut! I've been over a year at it, running, biking, lifting. I have doubled my initial capacity in all areas, but still the gut. The fact that I also work a desk job doesn't help. But, I know what I've got to do. Doing it is the hard part. (I love sodas, donuts, pizza, etc.) Still, genetics is only a blueprint. What we build with that blueprint is up to us. Sometimes the demolition seems so hard, and takes so long, we get discouraged. But giving up once you've seen results makes it even harder the next time.
 
2012-10-04 02:46:21 PM  

Teufelaffe: IRQ12: Get counseling and try Atkins a diet that isn't designed to send your body into ketosis, which overworks your kidneys and diminishes muscle mass.

FTFY

/Atkins is a terrible thing to your body.


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/177185.php

Is Atkins the best solution? No, probably not. Is it a godsend to a lot of people who have a hard time losing weight with traditional calorie/exercise diets? Absolutely. You are aware of the term "mobidly obese" aren't you? That kicks in around 100lbs overweight or 50%, we are discussing ~200lbs and 100%.

/Being obese is a terrible thing to do to your body.

It takes a special kind of logic to dissuade someone from using a very effective but contentious diet who is probably a full 200lbs overweight. It's all a risk/reward equation, even working out.
 
2012-10-04 02:47:53 PM  

Indubitably: mjbok: Indubitably: You are moronic.

Maybe so, but what part of my post you quoted is incorrect. By definition bullying is "Use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone)". He had no strength or power over her, and was not trying to intimidate her. Using her position as someone with a (televised) voice, she used her position to intimidate or belittle what started out as a solitary private email.

It's not so much a defense of him as it is pointing out what she did was more wrong than what he did and closer to the definition of bullying than what he did.

Why do you defend demeaning another human being?


Probably for the same reason you made your post.
 
2012-10-04 02:49:13 PM  
thelordofcheese:


As a cyclist who volunteers at a bike co-op



EL OH EL.

"cyclist who volunteers at a bike co-op" = forever alone

Based on the slew of other posts from you, you sound like you have a chip on your shoulder. Did you used to be fat? Now you're one of those militant ex-fatties who goes around telling everyone they can be skinny and miserable, just like you?
 
2012-10-04 03:02:56 PM  

IRQ12: Teufelaffe: IRQ12: Get counseling and try Atkins a diet that isn't designed to send your body into ketosis, which overworks your kidneys and diminishes muscle mass.

FTFY

/Atkins is a terrible thing to your body.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/177185.php

Is Atkins the best solution? No, probably not. Is it a godsend to a lot of people who have a hard time losing weight with traditional calorie/exercise diets? Absolutely. You are aware of the term "mobidly obese" aren't you? That kicks in around 100lbs overweight or 50%, we are discussing ~200lbs and 100%.

/Being obese is a terrible thing to do to your body.

It takes a special kind of logic to dissuade someone from using a very effective but contentious diet who is probably a full 200lbs overweight. It's all a risk/reward equation, even working out.


Sorry, but Atkins can do more harm than being obese does *especially* if you loose a lot of weight with it. Massive amounts of weight loss on Atkins can cause kidney failure, and pretty much any amount of weight loss on Atkins will result in loss of muscle mass because your body starts burning muscle tissue *before* it finally starts working on the fat when you're in ketosis. Unless someone is in a situation where they have to lose weight within a relatively short period of time or die, there are way, way, WAY better diets out there than Atkins.

No, I am not a dietitian, but I was raised by someone with a PhD in biology and is a certified Nutritionist so I got to hear a lot about Atkins when it became a fad. For most people and situations, doing Atkins is worse than staying fat.
 
2012-10-04 03:04:41 PM  

IRQ12: It takes a special kind of logic to dissuade someone from using a very effective but contentious diet who is probably a full 200lbs overweight. It's all a risk/reward equation, even working out.


Effective? Have you done research into the long-term success rate of people who lose weight by Atkins, or any other diet for that matter? Even a cursory review of the medical literature demonstrates that after 5 years over 90% of all dieters regain the weight lost, most gain back more.

When you factor in the real success rate, not just the short term one, the risk / reward equation doesn't look as favourable as you think.
 
2012-10-04 03:06:45 PM  
And just to add a note, any sort of significant weight loss on Atkins does permanent damage to your kidneys. It's not just a simple, "Oh, my kidneys work extra hard for a little while and then they'll be fine."
 
kab
2012-10-04 03:08:05 PM  

TanHamster: Did you used to be fat? Now you're one of those militant ex-fatties who goes around telling everyone they can be skinny and miserable, just like you?


My guess is that he was beaten weekly in grade school by an overweight bully for lunch money, and he's still not over it.
 
2012-10-04 03:17:53 PM  
Why is it necessary to shame and belittle fat people? They know they're fat. Most of them would rather be otherwise. Being a dick about it accomplishes nothing. Maybe you'll drive someone even deeper into the self-loathing depression that got them fat in the first place. Maybe you'll even get to make someone with unavoidable medical weight gain feel like shiat! What a deal!

Everyone should strive to be healthy and take good care of their bodies. Encouraging goes way, way further than cruelty in accomplishing that goal.

Be kind to fat folks as you would be kind to anyone. We all have vices and destructive flaws. Some of us are just lucky enough not to have them displayed on the outside.
 
2012-10-04 03:26:20 PM  

BEER STEAK: MithrandirBooga , good to hear your story. I'm curious what you are doing for exercise. 15-20 hours of exercise a week seems insane to me unless you are a competitive athlete. Even then, I put in half that much as a competitive runner.

Are you lifting weights? Do you ever run? Do you use a heart rate monitor or anything to monitor your effort? You are clearly willing to work hard, but I wonder if you are working smart. Tell us what you do, some of us could throw out suggestions and you can take them or leave.


Exercises:
Lifting weights: occasionally. It gets very boring so I don't do it as often as I could.
Running: Hell no. Not at this weight. Just walking more than 3 miles will cause my knees to ache like mad for the next day. 6 miles and I'm out for multiple days. Believe me, I tried.
Cycling: March to December, every day I'm able, up to 8 days in a row before I conk out and require a rest day. Typically 20-40 miles each weekday and 40-100 miles on weekend days (100 is rare, perhaps once every 2 months). Speed ranges from 17mph average on flat short courses (1000ft climbing)
Spinning: For when it rains. Typically an hour at 200-220 watts average. Trying to work my way up to 300 watts.
Cross Country Skiing: December-February.
Snowshoeing: December-February. Just bought these last year, however it didn't snow so I only got to use them twice.

Heart rate monitor: Always. It's difficult to tell how hard I am working compared to other people however, since I am on beta blockers and they lower my heart rate dramatically. In the morning I'll typically be unable to get my HR over 120, in the evening I can usually reach 140, and I've reached 150 once when I was really tearing my body apart trying to keep up with some cyclists who were a lot better than I was.

I limit myself to interval training once a week, since that supposedly stresses you heart the most. For these I will fall off the back of the paceline for a minute and then spend the next 2 minutes trying to catch up. All other rides are typical pacelines where you simply put in enough effort to maintain the speed that the group agreed on prior to the ride, and don't go any faster.
 
2012-10-04 03:28:07 PM  

Void_Beavis: So much this. She still deserves her job. When we get to the point where we start discriminating for employment due to health conditions, that's a very slippery slope.

In many ways this is already happening. Try being over 50 and looking for a job.


There are many employers who will not hire smokers and have required smokers to quit as a term of employment. There are (possibly) justifiable reasons why, higher insurance rates being one of the big ones. The thing is smokers already pay higher premiums. You know what else causes insurance to be higher? Morbid obesity. However, with few exceptions (like ones that you can't do your job if you're obese) you couldn't refuse to hire someone because they are overweight, or fire them because they become overweight. There is a small percentage of people who are overweight due to circumstances out of their control. Most of them are overweight because they have poor impulse control and willpower, just like...smokers.

The obese is next on the list. It is coming, it's just a matter of time.
 
2012-10-04 03:28:29 PM  

MithrandirBooga: Speed ranges from 17mph average on flat short courses (1000ft climbing)



Fark ate my less-than and greater-than signs. Should read:


Speed ranges from 17mph average on flat short courses (less than 500 feet of climbing) to 13mph average on long or hilly courses (more than 1000 feet of climbing).
 
2012-10-04 03:32:09 PM  
A lot of angry fatties here today.

/I thought you people were supposed to be jolly.
 
2012-10-04 03:33:58 PM  

mjbok: There is a small percentage of people who are overweight due to circumstances out of their control.


That right there is why being overweight will likely remain a protected status. As long as it is possible that a person is overweight through no fault of their own, lawmakers and corporations are going to err on the side of not getting sued. On the other hand, no one is a smoker due to circumstances beyond their control, so they'll remain fair game.
 
kab
2012-10-04 03:43:08 PM  

Inchoate: Why is it necessary to shame and belittle fat people?


Those with superiority complexes need something to target, and overweight folks are one of the few socially acceptable remaining topics. That's why.
 
2012-10-04 03:55:11 PM  

kkinnison: I live in La Crosse.

For a guy who never watched her show, and when he did makes a point to call her a fatty without knowing her, or her personal history, or lifestyle is grade a jerk material.

maybe the attorney should spend more time chasing ambulances and leave the fatties alone


maybe fatty should have exercised some common sense and left that private email private. Although it was not the most flattering email, she chose to bring it to the public light.

and why do you assume he never watched the show...do you have info everyone else doesnt?
 
2012-10-04 03:58:32 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: TOSViolation: DoBeDoBeDo: Nutritionist on the radio brought it up this morning but it's a valid point. Why is it acceptable to confront an alcoholic, or a drug user for what they are doing to themselves but NOT to do the same to a morbidly obese person (and she might say "some doctors chart" but she's morbidly obese on any chart...well maybe not Hutteese but any chart on Earth).

They are essentially destroying themselves in a similar manner, so why is it not acceptable to call them on it?


It is perfectly acceptable. There are simply a disproportionate amount of people in the world who want to live in denial.

Smoking is EVIL, therefore we can bully the Hell out of smokers without feeling bad about it!
Drinking is EVIL, therefore we can bully the Hell out of alcoholics without feeling bad about it!

Being fat is a sign of strength of character that people should be applauded for, based on their courage to be comfortable with who they are, you ASSHOLE!

Smoking is potentially harmful to the people around the smoker. No one got cancer from standing next to the fat guy.
Drinking leads to all sorts of potentially harmful behaviors. You never hear about someone getting beat up because the other person was fat, or someone got killed because they were hit by a driver who was too fat.

Also, not everyone who is fat has a choice in the matter. Yes, I know it's like 1%, but people still have to make the choice to start smoking or drinking, while there are some people who are fat for reasons entirely beyond their control. So giving the fat chick shiat for being a porker might result in everyone hating you for being an insensitive ass-nugget when it turns out she has Hypothyroidism or Cushing's syndrome.

Finally, when you factor in our society's obsession with wanting women to be underweight (trust me, your average Victoria's Secret model or Hollywood starlet is not at a healthy weight), you've got a whole "fark you and your unreasonable expectations for women's bodies" sent ...


I drink one for the fatties of the world every night.
 
2012-10-04 04:04:06 PM  

Teufelaffe:
... For most people and situations, doing Atkins is worse than staying fat.


Jesus, the stuff people say on the internet. Please back up these assertions with something more than mom/dad told me so (and no, "the possibility of of kidney damage/stones" does not back up the statement "any sort of significant weight loss on Atkins does permanent damage to your kidneys")

MithrandirBooga : Go out and read up for yourself, plenty of peer reviewed studies (also a lot of contradictory stuff because of misinformation distributed by competitors) out there that weight the risks/rewards. It's not a magic pill, it's just making you aware of what's on the label besides the number at the top. I know of a couple people who lost a lot of weight on atkins who had tried pretty much everything else available, and never gained it back.

Tyrosine: IRQ12: It takes a special kind of logic to dissuade someone from using a very effective but contentious diet who is probably a full 200lbs overweight. It's all a risk/reward equation, even working out.

Effective? Have you done research into the long-term success rate of people who lose weight by Atkins, or any other diet for that matter? Even a cursory review of the medical literature demonstrates that after 5 years over 90% of all dieters regain the weight lost, most gain back more.

When you factor in the real success rate, not just the short term one, the risk / reward equation doesn't look as favourable as you think.


I've done a ton of research on the diet. I also have a couple anecdotes. Mild obesity has a 2 fold increase in chronic health problems over smoking. Long term success speaks to the person not the diet.

Again there may be a better solution, I just suggested it because I have seen it work in the case of the person who has "tried everything" a few times.
 
2012-10-04 04:27:19 PM  

MithrandirBooga: BEER STEAK: MithrandirBooga , good to hear your story. I'm curious what you are doing for exercise. 15-20 hours of exercise a week seems insane to me unless you are a competitive athlete. Even then, I put in half that much as a competitive runner.

Are you lifting weights? Do you ever run? Do you use a heart rate monitor or anything to monitor your effort? You are clearly willing to work hard, but I wonder if you are working smart. Tell us what you do, some of us could throw out suggestions and you can take them or leave.

Exercises:
Lifting weights: occasionally. It gets very boring so I don't do it as often as I could.
Running: Hell no. Not at this weight. Just walking more than 3 miles will cause my knees to ache like mad for the next day. 6 miles and I'm out for multiple days. Believe me, I tried.
Cycling: March to December, every day I'm able, up to 8 days in a row before I conk out and require a rest day. Typically 20-40 miles each weekday and 40-100 miles on weekend days (100 is rare, perhaps once every 2 months). Speed ranges from 17mph average on flat short courses (1000ft climbing)
Spinning: For when it rains. Typically an hour at 200-220 watts average. Trying to work my way up to 300 watts.
Cross Country Skiing: December-February.
Snowshoeing: December-February. Just bought these last year, however it didn't snow so I only got to use them twice.

Heart rate monitor: Always. It's difficult to tell how hard I am working compared to other people however, since I am on beta blockers and they lower my heart rate dramatically. In the morning I'll typically be unable to get my HR over 120, in the evening I can usually reach 140, and I've reached 150 once when I was really tearing my body apart trying to keep up with some cyclists who were a lot better than I was.

I limit myself to interval training once a week, since that supposedly stresses you heart the most. For these I will fall off the back of the paceline for a minute and then spend the next 2 minutes try ...


Wow. Well, I am sure you have read everything you can get your hands on and have listened to lots of advice and maybe have consulted with a personal trainer or two. So maybe this will be more of what you already know, but you can decide whether my thoughts are useful or not. Also, I should say that I have no experience with being heavy or with beta blockers so you'll have to take this with a grain of salt and decide for yourself.

My thought is that you should start training as a performance athlete. Why? Probably because that's the only way I've ever worked out so I think it works, but I think it also helps with motivation.

Now, what does it mean to train as a performance athlete? It means you're not working out solely to lose weight. That is a wonderful side effect, but the primary purpose is to get fast. It could be fast at running, biking, swimming, or maybe all three as a triathlete. But the point is you actually compete in competitions, and you try to get faster, and all your training is geared toward better performance. As you get faster, you will naturally get fitter. That is how my body has always worked, I assume (and hope!) yours is the same.

OK, so how is that different from what you've been doing? Well, as a competitive runner my weekly training might look something like this:

M - effort hard, distance medium
T - effort medium, distance long
W - effort easy, distance short
Th - effort very hard, distance short
F - effort easy, distance very long
Sa - effort easy, distance short or medium
Su - effort easy, distance short or medium (or day off)

If you choose cycling as your sport, you could translate this to the bike. Two harder workouts a week, two longer days, and fill in the rest with recovery/easy days. Yes, when you are training for performance it is important to include rest in your schedule. And yes, I think you might want to consider a second hard day per week.

Two other points about training for performance - you need to eat more. 1500-1800 calories a day is not going to cut it. You need enough fuel to power your harder efforts. And training needs to be specific. If you're a cyclist, then I'm sorry my friend but you are going to spend the winter on the bike. Snowshoeing could be a leisure activity, but you are training to be Lance Armstrong. He would be on the bike every day. And Lance would not skip the weights.

If you need variety, then maybe triathlon could be the sport...(well, once you have lost enough weight to handle the running).

Another part of this is competitions. They are important benchmarks of your progress, and they are something you can't simulate on your own in practice. The adrenaline, the thrill. It's simply not the same as doing it on your own. It is too bad that running doesn't work for you since there are so many road races out there, but biking, swimming, and triathlon competitions can be found. You are probably not too keen on putting yourself out there as the big guy in the race. I hear you. Maybe your bike club friends can suggest a low key race. Or maybe you have done all this already.

I'm sure there are training programs you can find online. Not weight loss programs - cycling performance programs. It may have to be toned down at first for your level, but you could do it.

So anyway, that is my bright idea. Give it some thought if you have not already considered it. There have been times in my life where I was not running as much and put on some pounds. When you start up again it is rough in the beginning. You can't push yourself very hard and even what seems like it should be easy gets you tired. In the beginning it is almost like you're just training to be able to do the real training. But eventually it all becomes easier. The workouts become faster. Your body changes. You can push yourself even farther, but yet your body can recover even quicker than it used to. It's a wonderful feeling. I'd like for you to feel that way. I don't know what is possible coming from 350 lbs, but I'm optimistic that with a work ethic like yours, you could make some big changes.
 
2012-10-04 04:46:31 PM  
A personal injury attorney is in no place to give life pointers to anyone, because by nature of occupation they are the lowest grade of walking compost that humanity has to offer.
 
2012-10-04 04:46:50 PM  
It's not her responsibility to be a role model for kids. Her employers can decide how important that is to them.

If she is a role model, they should ask themselves if they want her using their public pulpit to attack this idiot.

It's going to come out eventually that she got the job through her brother's connections.
 
2012-10-04 04:53:27 PM  

Rain Fall: Funny. If she was male and twice her size, no one would say a word about her size. It's only because she is female anyone cares. Such hypocrisy. There are so many incredibly butt-ugly and disgusting looking men on TV, I mean so many. In TV shows, on the news, in variety shows, but no one cares, no one says a word.

Only women seem to be held to this standard of artificial beauty. How enlightened of us all.



You're full of sh*t.


/sounds fat, is not


That's exactly what a fat person would say.
 
2012-10-04 04:54:36 PM  

mrsirjojo: It's going to come out eventually that she got the job through her brother's connections.


Yeah, because Ron Livingston is such a Hollywood powerhouse.
 
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