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(Cracked)   Could the entire Harry Potter series have been about the sad fantasies of an abused child?   (cracked.com) divider line 19
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2012-10-03 09:28:55 PM
2 votes:
No.

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2012-10-04 12:45:21 PM
1 votes:
I've always found that Harry Potter seems like a big metaphor for induction into Judaism. Harry is an orphan raised by relatives who belong to a different social/ethnic group than his parents. Then, when he turns a certain age (8 days/11 years), he's brought to the centre of his parent's culture (Temple/Diagon Alley) and undergoes a ritual involving a phallus (Bris/wand purchase) that will mark him as different from other tribes. He then starts to learn a secret language that his tribe speaks amongst each other, but not with the other people where they live (Yiddish & Hebrew/Latin Incantations). He is taught a slightly offensive slang word for these outsiders (Goyim/Muggles) and learns that his insular, highly self-contained society, which lives embedded among them, considers themselves to be a separate race. Interbreeding with these outsiders is greatly discouraged and any ensuing children are considered to be half-breeds and impure (Goy children/Mudbloods). Harry's new tribe holds great stock in ancient prophecy, and tends to be very conservative in adopting new ideas or technology, adhering to their own code of law and rules. They wear clothes that seem to others quaint and old-fashioned. They have their own private schools where the curriculum focuses on tribe-specific matters, while neglecting more generalized material such as math and science. And of course, when they get together for formal occasions, they wear funny looking hats.
2012-10-04 12:08:00 PM
1 votes:

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Another way to piss people off: tell them than in Inception, Cobb never woke up. It truly irritates the sh*t out of some.


That one was left beautifully open-ended. Michael Caine said that in the end, he did wake up, because Caine's character was there and had never been in any of the dreams. But that's just Caine's interpretation. That doesn't necessarily mean that was the intention. Sometimes the real answer is "pick one"
2012-10-04 10:34:02 AM
1 votes:

Browncoat: semiotix: 3. As he stared at Cho's nubile breasts, Harry suddenly realized the answer had been staring him in the face. "Accio bra!" he shouted triumphantly. "In fact... accio every bra!"

One of the ladies at work used to read the books religiously. I knew enough about the books to be dangerous, so I'd go around saying stuff in an exaggerated falsetto that sounded like it could be a spell from the books. "Labia Majora! Clitoria deliciouso! Incontinentia Buttocks!"


Incontinentia Buttocks can't be a spell you silly sod! She's Biggus Dickus's wife!
2012-10-04 10:15:40 AM
1 votes:

TheZorker: No.

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Love it when people refuse to acknowledge a possibility because it conflicts with the interpretation they're comfortable with.

Another way to piss people off: tell them than in Inception, Cobb never woke up. It truly irritates the sh*t out of some.
2012-10-04 09:08:21 AM
1 votes:

meanmutton: The wand in Book 7 wasn't a normal wand; it was unique because it was created by Death instead of but a human and thus had special powers, separate from any other.


Well Draco also had problem's with using his mother's wand (I think that was the movie though, with the line "it doesn't feel quite right). Anyways, the experts within the universe such as the wand makers don't fully understand the laws of wands, and again its a magical universe. Magic isn't logic. Thats established from the get-go in the first book.
2012-10-04 01:57:20 AM
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: desertmouse: It actually does make perfect sense when you remember that it's a freakin' FANTASY NOVEL.

Nope. It does not. Functional magic fantasy (i.e. I know the words, and when I say the words effect x happens) still requires internal self-consistency.

To use the most blatant example:

Book 1: Harry selecting the brother-wand of Voldemort is a big farking deal that drives the plot. Because, as it's explained, a wand must be specifically crafted around the personality, soul, and destiny of the wielder and no one else can use it properly.

Book 7: Harry having disarmed someone in a more-or-less friendly duel in the past becomes a major plot point, because, as it's explained, the attunement of the wand has nothing to do with the materials or the wielder and a wand is just loyal to the last person that zapped it with a disarming charm.

So... no. Major, plot-altering mechanics of the magic system just arbitrarily changing for the purpose of deus ex machina is, in fact, shiatty writing that's not excusable on the grounds that it's fantasy, because it still breaks the story. The "fantasy of an abused child dying of starvation" actually gives more credit to Mrs. Rowling than just letting the failures of consistency ruin the books for you.

CygnusDarius: Change 'Potter' with 'Dresden'

Makes the books more awesome :D.

Plus, this has actually happened to Dresden a couple of times.

//Where is your blasting wand?
//Who killed me?


I try not to apply logic to this kind of stuff. It's about magicians amongst us who are completely unnoticed and all of these mystical creatures are never noticed either. I usually can let go of logic and just let the narrative's emotional content entertain me.

The books were not great writing by any stretch, but I still enjoyed them.
2012-10-04 12:56:33 AM
1 votes:
Could the entire [insert any fantasy/heroic coming of age story] have been about the sad fantasies of an abused child?

/Sure, but that's stupid.
2012-10-04 12:21:12 AM
1 votes:
The Matrix trilogy all happened in the Matrix; no one ever really broke free, they were just switched to a new Matrix, because people were starting to reject the old one. The first matrix was a paradise, remember, and humans kept rejecting it. The next attempt worked for a while, but since it's set in a specific time period that never moves forward there are bound to be conflicts. Now they have the perfect Matrix; history will proceed without any jarring resets, and humanity will never be the wiser. Neo is a tool of the machines, acting according to script, the entire time. They are trying to transfer over to the perfected Matrix in a way that is acceptable to human psychology; what they have done is exploit what is essentially a Jungian archetype, the Hero as explicated by Joseph Campbell. The entire Matrix trilogy is an account of the final and permanent triumph of the machines.

/ yes, I'm high as a kite, why do you ask?
2012-10-03 11:06:00 PM
1 votes:

Caeldan: Usually Cracked articles linked on Fark I like.. .that one was pretty weak in terms of their standard level of 'research' for these.
Feels like it was half-assed to get something out on a deadline. The premise is decent, just is more of an outline than a full article.


The "and then Harry woke up in his bed under the stairs" joke has been floating around for a while now. Without reading it, I doubt the article says anything beyond the obvious thoughts conjured from the idea. It's kinda said when you're entire article can be stated more thoughtfully and profoundly as a one-liner.
2012-10-03 10:04:40 PM
1 votes:

Caeldan: Usually Cracked articles linked on Fark I like.. .that one was pretty weak in terms of their standard level of 'research' for these.
Feels like it was half-assed to get something out on a deadline. The premise is decent, just is more of an outline than a full article.


With a little more effort it could have been a pretty decent article.
2012-10-03 10:02:30 PM
1 votes:

Caeldan: Usually Cracked articles linked on Fark I like.. .that one was pretty weak in terms of their standard level of 'research' for these.
Feels like it was half-assed to get something out on a deadline. The premise is decent, just is more of an outline than a full article.


Yeah, there wasn't much there other than an idea. Then he caps it off with, "...the Harry Potter universe [is] a massively flawed world where nothing makes sense because of shiatty writing..." It actually does make perfect sense when you remember that it's a freakin' FANTASY NOVEL. To then call the writing shiatty doesn't lend much credence to his point, it just makes him sound bitter that he hasn't made millions off his own non-existent writing career.
2012-10-03 09:52:50 PM
1 votes:
I thought it was the sad fantasies of an adult woman.
2012-10-03 09:50:29 PM
1 votes:
Er, wasn't this the funny theory in 99? Usenet? Anyone else remember it?
2012-10-03 09:44:47 PM
1 votes:
Now tell me the story of how the babies from Rugrats are just in Angelica's imagination because her workaholic parents don't give her any attention.
2012-10-03 09:40:43 PM
1 votes:
no shiat sherlock. Its textbook coping fantasy. This cropped up in popular fiction and scifci in the 60s and onward. Even if its not overt, its completely farking obvious and has been since the first book, which was basically the only one worth reading anyway, unlike the rest of those dreary, lame potboilers. rereading childhood wish fullfillment gets old quick.

Are you sitting down? Let me tell you something about Alice in Wonderland....
2012-10-03 09:37:51 PM
1 votes:
Usually Cracked articles linked on Fark I like.. .that one was pretty weak in terms of their standard level of 'research' for these.
Feels like it was half-assed to get something out on a deadline. The premise is decent, just is more of an outline than a full article.
2012-10-03 09:26:53 PM
1 votes:
No
2012-10-03 09:26:47 PM
1 votes:
I've been playing The Binding of Isaac here lately, so I'm getting a kick out of this headline.
 
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