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(NPR)   I'm not saying it's spiders, but it's spiders. On Mars   (npr.org) divider line 71
    More: Cool, Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, Martian surface, geysers, sunbathing, dry ices, European Space Agency  
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2012-10-03 08:48:17 PM  
Ziggy played guitaaaaaaaaaaaaar
 
2012-10-03 08:53:05 PM  
They took it all too far.
 
2012-10-03 08:55:04 PM  
Approves
static.guim.co.uk
He came on so loaded, man
 
2012-10-03 09:03:50 PM  
I have this record.
 
2012-10-03 09:13:41 PM  
Oh man! Look at those cavemen go It's the freakiest show
 
2012-10-03 09:35:04 PM  
Spider thread? Spider thread?
(Hmm....It feels like I'm being misled)
Now it seems tha-oh my stars!
Could the arachnids exist on Mars?!
Look out....Here comes the spider thrrrrrrread!
 
2012-10-03 10:58:37 PM  
What a beautiful planet.
 
2012-10-03 11:02:48 PM  
That was cool as hell.
 
2012-10-03 11:07:24 PM  
Hello, my name is Morden, and I have just one question.

What do you want?
 
2012-10-03 11:17:20 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: What a beautiful planet.


Even this hellhole looks good fom a high enough altitude
 
2012-10-03 11:21:52 PM  
Like some cat from Japan

/Or a leper messiah
 
2012-10-03 11:24:36 PM  
The bottom of my whirlpool tub looks like that.
 
2012-10-03 11:25:03 PM  
Every spring, the sun beats down on a southern region of Mars, morning light melts the surface, warms up the ground below, and a thin, underground layer of frozen CO2 turns suddenly into a roaring gas, expands, and carrying rock and ice, rushes up through breaks in the rock, exploding into the Martian air.

So they've got the flame spurt, and the lightning sands. Now they just need the ROUSes.
 
2012-10-03 11:31:27 PM  

Son of Thunder: Hello, my name is Morden, and I have just one question.

What do you want?



I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I would look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?
 
2012-10-03 11:38:31 PM  

Cybernetic: Every spring, the sun beats down on a southern region of Mars, morning light melts the surface, warms up the ground below, and a thin, underground layer of frozen CO2 turns suddenly into a roaring gas, expands, and carrying rock and ice, rushes up through breaks in the rock, exploding into the Martian air.

So they've got the flame spurt, and the lightning sands. Now they just need the ROUSes.


Rodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist.
 
2012-10-03 11:38:35 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-03 11:59:04 PM  
Jamming good with Weird and Gilly.
 
2012-10-03 11:59:18 PM  

shanrick: [i.imgur.com image 450x404]


What's in the bowl, biatch?... AAAAAAAAH
 
2012-10-04 12:00:31 AM  
s2.hubimg.com
 
2012-10-04 12:04:27 AM  
"Are they dangerous?"

HELLS YES!!!

... Alert IPX and PsyCorps. And the Minbari, and the Vorlons, definitely the Vorlons.
 
2012-10-04 12:04:38 AM  
Then he heard the sand rumbling. Every Fremen knew the sound, could distinguish it immediately from the noises of worms or other desert life. Somewhere beneath him, the pre-spice mass had accumulated enough water and organic matter from the little makers, had reached the critical stage of wild growth. A gigantic bubble of carbon dioxide was forming deep in the sand, heaving upward in an enormous "blow" with a dust whirlpool at its center. It would exchange what had been formed deep in the sand for whatever lay on the surface.
 
2012-10-04 12:12:20 AM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-10-04 12:29:05 AM  
Not buying the guiser cover story. Does not expain why they are only occuring on the ridges.

Life I tells you, life.
 
2012-10-04 12:46:10 AM  

Teufelaffe: Cybernetic: Every spring, the sun beats down on a southern region of Mars, morning light melts the surface, warms up the ground below, and a thin, underground layer of frozen CO2 turns suddenly into a roaring gas, expands, and carrying rock and ice, rushes up through breaks in the rock, exploding into the Martian air.

So they've got the flame spurt, and the lightning sands. Now they just need the ROUSes.

Rodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist.


scienceblogs.com

Cool pictures. Bottom one remind me of findinf something partialy buried in the sand. Or an archeological dig. Scale is messed up for me though.
 
2012-10-04 12:59:29 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 800x457]


Uh oh...
 
2012-10-04 01:08:02 AM  
It's just Dr. Manhattan's poop...
 
2012-10-04 03:31:49 AM  

Saiga410: Not buying the guiser cover story. Does not expain why they are only occuring on the ridges.

Life I tells you, life.


I mean, I don't get how there's any question anymore. The evidence is overwhelming.

Again, like last thread, I ask, "WHY ARE WE NOT SEARCHING FOR LIFE ON MARS?"

Why aren't we landing these rovers near these spots, or near the sinkholes where it's likey the large, unexplained amounts of methane are likely coming from during the warmer seasons? Why are we searching for freaking geographic rock formations instead?

The only answer I keep coming back to is - "Because they already know it's incredibly likely, but it's too political to go after because of the implications." I just really hope that's wrong.
 
2012-10-04 04:58:02 AM  

justtray: Saiga410: Not buying the guiser cover story. Does not expain why they are only occuring on the ridges.

Life I tells you, life.

I mean, I don't get how there's any question anymore. The evidence is overwhelming.

Again, like last thread, I ask, "WHY ARE WE NOT SEARCHING FOR LIFE ON MARS?"

Why aren't we landing these rovers near these spots, or near the sinkholes where it's likey the large, unexplained amounts of methane are likely coming from during the warmer seasons? Why are we searching for freaking geographic rock formations instead?

The only answer I keep coming back to is - "Because they already know it's incredibly likely, but it's too political to go after because of the implications." I just really hope that's wrong.


Also if you go "this looks like life, it's clearly life, let's go find life" then you get there and it's a CO2 geyser, while still fascinating you've probably turned space exploration into a joke for millions of ill-educated buffoons, who can then score political points by railing against such wastes of money, looking for "li'l green men!". So they have to be really careful and not look as though they're looking for life. If they land near something that could be life it'll be the media that says "This looks like life, they're looking for life, why does everyone keep talking about searching for life? Risky strategy by NASA, pinning all their hopes on this being life", while NASA go "... err, what?"

You know how these things go. Educated people never get listened to.
 
2012-10-04 05:45:18 AM  
forbiddenplanet.co.uk

Spider Thread
 
2012-10-04 06:40:25 AM  

justtray: Saiga410: Not buying the guiser cover story. Does not expain why they are only occuring on the ridges.

Life I tells you, life.

I mean, I don't get how there's any question anymore. The evidence is overwhelming.

Again, like last thread, I ask, "WHY ARE WE NOT SEARCHING FOR LIFE ON MARS?"

Why aren't we landing these rovers near these spots, or near the sinkholes where it's likey the large, unexplained amounts of methane are likely coming from during the warmer seasons? Why are we searching for freaking geographic rock formations instead?

The only answer I keep coming back to is - "Because they already know it's incredibly likely, but it's too political to go after because of the implications." I just really hope that's wrong.


Because driving a robotic rover into your neighbor's Vault's exhaust-vent is just rude.
 
2012-10-04 07:23:16 AM  

Slaxl: justtray: Saiga410: Not buying the guiser cover story. Does not expain why they are only occuring on the ridges.

Life I tells you, life.

I mean, I don't get how there's any question anymore. The evidence is overwhelming.

Again, like last thread, I ask, "WHY ARE WE NOT SEARCHING FOR LIFE ON MARS?"

Why aren't we landing these rovers near these spots, or near the sinkholes where it's likey the large, unexplained amounts of methane are likely coming from during the warmer seasons? Why are we searching for freaking geographic rock formations instead?

The only answer I keep coming back to is - "Because they already know it's incredibly likely, but it's too political to go after because of the implications." I just really hope that's wrong.

Also if you go "this looks like life, it's clearly life, let's go find life" then you get there and it's a CO2 geyser, while still fascinating you've probably turned space exploration into a joke for millions of ill-educated buffoons, who can then score political points by railing against such wastes of money, looking for "li'l green men!". So they have to be really careful and not look as though they're looking for life. If they land near something that could be life it'll be the media that says "This looks like life, they're looking for life, why does everyone keep talking about searching for life? Risky strategy by NASA, pinning all their hopes on this being life", while NASA go "... err, what?"

You know how these things go. Educated people never get listened to.


It's funny seeing a few people so ignorant about a topic complaining about the ill-informed.
 
2012-10-04 07:50:17 AM  

meanmutton: Slaxl: justtray: Saiga410: Not buying the guiser cover story. Does not expain why they are only occuring on the ridges.

Life I tells you, life.

I mean, I don't get how there's any question anymore. The evidence is overwhelming.

Again, like last thread, I ask, "WHY ARE WE NOT SEARCHING FOR LIFE ON MARS?"

Why aren't we landing these rovers near these spots, or near the sinkholes where it's likey the large, unexplained amounts of methane are likely coming from during the warmer seasons? Why are we searching for freaking geographic rock formations instead?

The only answer I keep coming back to is - "Because they already know it's incredibly likely, but it's too political to go after because of the implications." I just really hope that's wrong.

Also if you go "this looks like life, it's clearly life, let's go find life" then you get there and it's a CO2 geyser, while still fascinating you've probably turned space exploration into a joke for millions of ill-educated buffoons, who can then score political points by railing against such wastes of money, looking for "li'l green men!". So they have to be really careful and not look as though they're looking for life. If they land near something that could be life it'll be the media that says "This looks like life, they're looking for life, why does everyone keep talking about searching for life? Risky strategy by NASA, pinning all their hopes on this being life", while NASA go "... err, what?"

You know how these things go. Educated people never get listened to.

It's funny seeing a few people so ignorant about a topic complaining about the ill-informed.


Go on then... share wisdom.
 
2012-10-04 08:08:23 AM  
Gooolden years
Gooolden years, wop wop, wop
 
2012-10-04 08:26:16 AM  
If only we had some sort of mechanical rovers on the ground that we could use to check this shiate out. Or perhaps we could try again and land it somewhere near this phenomena. "Any chance that this event which seems to occur at the same time every year will occur there?" "Probably?"
 
2012-10-04 08:29:53 AM  
coudynews.com


Looks like bedbug excrement
 
2012-10-04 09:20:08 AM  
"This image was taken by the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter on Jan. 27, 2010. (The color was added later.)"

Right, because as we all know, color photographs are not good science. And as the Internet experts will be quick to tell us, it's totally impossible with cameras in space to approximate the mysterious conditions of color and light for human eyes so why bother.
 
2012-10-04 09:28:05 AM  
I am not convinced these are geysers, that doesn't explain to me why they only pop out of the tops of dunes. I would love it to be organic, some kind of moss or lichen or bacteria, but my guess is it's a chemical reaction to a mineral that is exposed and reacts to solar UV as wind blows the top layer off of a dune. Maybe its a lump of frozen brine that melts out and leaves a stain, which then decays and is covered over after a time.
 
2012-10-04 09:38:28 AM  
Given how touchy driving a rover over rock seems to be, with the high chance of slippage or rollover or other unfortunate, possibly mission-ending events, it seems sensible to not want to drive one on a sheet of CO2 ice near potential blow-you-sky-high glaciers. Maybe when we've got a few more rovers on Mars and can spare one to potential extermination.
 
2012-10-04 10:18:02 AM  
A mold or fungus?

/Mars is... moist.
 
2012-10-04 10:53:32 AM  
Spiders on Mars? Guess that one more place we shouldn't visit.
 
2012-10-04 10:54:50 AM  
moviesblog.mtv.com

/forgot to link this
 
2012-10-04 10:57:07 AM  
Mars has varicose veins. Gross.
 
2012-10-04 11:36:36 AM  

PsyLord: [moviesblog.mtv.com image 450x329]

/forgot to link this


That picture gave me goosebumps, damn you!

/why did it have to be spiders?
 
2012-10-04 12:19:46 PM  
www.gq.com

This guy will take care of the mumblin', stutterin' little farks.
 
2012-10-04 12:35:09 PM  

justtray: Saiga410: Not buying the guiser cover story. Does not expain why they are only occuring on the ridges.

Life I tells you, life.

I mean, I don't get how there's any question anymore. The evidence is overwhelming.

Again, like last thread, I ask, "WHY ARE WE NOT SEARCHING FOR LIFE ON MARS?"

Why aren't we landing these rovers near these spots, or near the sinkholes where it's likey the large, unexplained amounts of methane are likely coming from during the warmer seasons? Why are we searching for freaking geographic rock formations instead?

The only answer I keep coming back to is - "Because they already know it's incredibly likely, but it's too political to go after because of the implications." I just really hope that's wrong.


I share your enthusiasm for exploring Mars if not your conviction that there is life on Mars. I have a couple questions. How would you propose exploring the sinkholes? (for anyone not familiar, BA articles on sinkholes or skylights here and here.) When I saw the title of this thread I thought it was going to be about how I think it should be done: robotic spiders. Whatever goes down the hole is going to need a way to communicate with the surface. It's going to need to be able to lower itself into the hole in a controlled fashion. It will need to handle totally unknown terrain and possibly extricate itself if it gets trapped. I'm thinking a spider that drops an anchor a safe distance from the edge and spools out a safety line/communications line while crawling into the sinkhole might do the job. The problems of getting into the sinkhole are so different from what has been engineered before I think that easily explains why it has not been done yet.

However my next question (actually set of questions) is why wait for NASA? Why not start your own project? I am serious. You got pretty worked up in the previous thread. In a few years SpaceX will probably develop a rocket capable of reaching Mars and the Russians are always willing to satisfy a paying customer. And world wide I would bet there are enough people with your kind of enthusiasm to pay for it. Someone just needs to convince them. So how much would you be willing to cough up?

Oh btw, I think the spiders in TFA definitely look like the basalt under the iron oxide dust being uncovered in some way, kind of like this
wildfiretoday.com
Only the above tracks are caused by dust devils and the spiders look like eruptions.
 
2012-10-04 12:47:37 PM  

rwfan: justtray: Saiga410: Not buying the guiser cover story. Does not expain why they are only occuring on the ridges.

Life I tells you, life.

I mean, I don't get how there's any question anymore. The evidence is overwhelming.

Again, like last thread, I ask, "WHY ARE WE NOT SEARCHING FOR LIFE ON MARS?"

Why aren't we landing these rovers near these spots, or near the sinkholes where it's likey the large, unexplained amounts of methane are likely coming from during the warmer seasons? Why are we searching for freaking geographic rock formations instead?

The only answer I keep coming back to is - "Because they already know it's incredibly likely, but it's too political to go after because of the implications." I just really hope that's wrong.

I share your enthusiasm for exploring Mars if not your conviction that there is life on Mars. I have a couple questions. How would you propose exploring the sinkholes? (for anyone not familiar, BA articles on sinkholes or skylights here and here.) When I saw the title of this thread I thought it was going to be about how I think it should be done: robotic spiders. Whatever goes down the hole is going to need a way to communicate with the surface. It's going to need to be able to lower itself into the hole in a controlled fashion. It will need to handle totally unknown terrain and possibly extricate itself if it gets trapped. I'm thinking a spider that drops an anchor a safe distance from the edge and spools out a safety line/communications line while crawling into the sinkhole might do the job. The problems of getting into the sinkhole are so different from what has been engineered before I think that easily explains why it has not been done yet.

However my next question (actually set of questions) is why wait for NASA? Why not start your own project? I am serious. You got pretty worked up in the previous thread. In a few years SpaceX will probably develop a rocket capable of reaching Mars and the Russians are alwa ...


I wouldn't go into the sinkholes. I would send probes from a rover down into them that would relay back to the rover itself. If the holes are indeed the cause of the methane, all we have to do is get near them and wait and measure the levels in the surrounding area to see if there really is a super high concentration coming from them. The probe we send down would have a short range transmission capabilities to the rover, which would send the video feed, or whatever other scientific equipment we deem necessary. Even in the worst scenario, I don't see how a camera with a light on it going down to the internal areas of Mars gives much less information than scanning layers of rock on the surface. AND the main rover itself can still be outfitted with all of that technology to study from the surface near the hole (or these plumes). [Now that I just reread your post, seems like you suggested almost something identical - spool down a probe into the hole]

The curiosity mission cost $2.5 BIllion, with B. It is not realisitic for private corporations to develop their own projects yet, though one day it might be. That's why we have the government do it, because the free market won't provide it, or underprovides it, like Hospitals. (Merit Goods) If private entity beats NASA to finding life on Mars, they should dissolve the entire program, or whatever is left of it.

Now my question to you remains, "Why are we not searching for life on Mars?" And the follow up, "What is more important in space exploration than determining if life is prevelant in the universe?" The second one is rhetorical, nothing is more important than that to us as a species.

However unlikely or ridiculous, our main objective when searching other planets should be to find and identify life. All other objectives are secondary, and should be optional missions not mutually exclusive to finding life.
 
2012-10-04 12:54:27 PM  
Just to reiterate the evidence, or a small portion of the evidence.

1. Liquid water used to exist on mars.
2. Parts of Mars warm up to be at least as hot as Canada, on the SURFACE.
3. There is roughly 1000x more methane in the atmosphere on Mars during 'summer seasons' than we would expect, which is a strong indicator of biological activity.
4. There are very large sinkholes that go into the planet, where we believe life could be shielded from the deadly rays of the universe, and temperatures could be more favorable, AND liquid water may CURRENTLY exist.
5. This article - There are weird spots appearing only on top of dunes, during warm seasons, that reappear in the same locations roughly 70% of the time. Since there is no plate techtonics on Mars, either there is an infinite supply of this trapped gas being released each and every season, or there is likely something biological occuring, much like when Spring comes on Earth after Winter and all the grass begins to grow.
6. We know that life on Earth can develop in nearly any environmental conditions, and exists EVERYWHERE on the planet. How much of a stretch is it really to think Mars is the same?

And yet, we are not actively searching for life on Mars. Again, WHY?
 
2012-10-04 01:09:34 PM  
This close, they always look like landscape. But nope, you're looking at balls.
 
2012-10-04 01:13:22 PM  

justtray: And yet, we are not actively searching for life on Mars. Again, WHY?


Religious groups are afraid we'll actually find it and they have big connections in government?
 
2012-10-04 01:21:14 PM  

On the Side: justtray: And yet, we are not actively searching for life on Mars. Again, WHY?

Religious groups are afraid we'll actually find it and they have big connections in government?


If you read my Boobies, this is what scares me the most. I just don't want to believe its true.
 
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