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2012-10-03 05:18:42 PM  
Çinli!

/ :chop:
 
2012-10-03 05:18:44 PM  
lokis_mentor: [www.sectalk.com image 750x600]

/Can never be repeated enough!


Land war in Asia worked out fine in the CBI theatre in WWII. INCONCEIVABLE
 
2012-10-03 05:19:09 PM  

Lollipop165: Wait... why are they bombing eachother?


this...
haven't seen anything on the news indicating there was tension in the region between the two. Perhaps Turkey is sick of all the Syrian refugees and is going to do want the UN has failed to do and remove Assad
 
2012-10-03 05:19:15 PM  

intelligent comment below: dumbobruni: intelligent comment below: This is what happens when America does nothing to solve real humanitarian crises and drags its feel complaining about Russia and China blocking in the UN. Sure didn't stop them in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Libya, or or or.

if you advocate helping Al-Qaeda, which is part of the resistance forces, be my guest.


Sure it is, because that's what Faux News is telling you


Girion47: intelligent comment below: This is what happens when America does nothing to solve real humanitarian crises and drags its feel complaining about Russia and China blocking in the UN. Sure didn't stop them in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Libya, or or or.

It isn't our job to meddle in disputes between other countries, thats what gets us attacked by terrorists.


No, what gets you attacked by terrorists is only invading countries for simple minded reasons and leaving everyone hanging once you're done propping up a puppet government that serves you


if by Fox News you mean PBS' Newshour then ok.

Link
 
2012-10-03 05:19:27 PM  

mjohnson71: Spare Me: Calm down folks. It's just a bump in the road.

Most of me says the world is just too interconnected for anything beyond minor wars to occur from now on. But a tiny little part of me keeps thinking some big sh*t is going to go down sometime soon.


And you would most likely be right. The global geopolitical implications are getting pretty intense and Russia and China have jammed their thumbs in our eye. Turkey was a HUGE thorn in the side of the Soviets during the cold war. One thing people don't really know about the Turks. When they throw down, they mean serious business. My father fought along side the Turks during the Korean War (UN Operation). He told me the Turks were the most ferocious and brutal fighters he's ever seen. Good thing they on our side. If they go for it, Russia might lose their only external naval base. Pooty poot will NOT like that one bit.
 
2012-10-03 05:19:33 PM  
Reading the article, I think Turkish officials and the population in general are acting with great restraint.
I'm sure that after all the planes are loaded and fueled and the artillery is dialed in, things won't be so, congenial.

I'm sure dick Cheney is pissed he didn't think of this. I have a mental image of him sitting in his anti-civilian bunker with the soft whine of his mechanical pump and him slapping his forehead, "DOH! Where's that jackass Rumsfeld? Why didn't HE think of this?? We could be making ANOTHER fortune"



how much I hate those people . . .
 
2012-10-03 05:19:46 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Release the Killbots.


YEA!!!
www.whiskeyandbeans.com

Wait...what?
 
2012-10-03 05:20:15 PM  

theknuckler_33:
Your suggestion?

*crickets*


For now, a stronger statement from Hillary supporting our ally Turkey's decision to retaliate.

What we got was really weak.
 
2012-10-03 05:21:09 PM  
Have you ever seen a Turkish prison?
 
2012-10-03 05:21:42 PM  

Bruxellensis: I do appreciate the link. I just don't see the humor.


Kids today...

/Off the lawn, POST HASTE!
 
2012-10-03 05:22:04 PM  

meanmutton: stir22: so...how long until Syria uses its chemical weapons on someone?

Chemical weapons on Turkey would be a monumentally bad idea as it potentially could result in the use of nuclear weapons by the US or UK.


Pretty much and I'm not sure that neither Russia nor would stick their neck out for the Syrians if they used chemical weapons on Turkey.
 
2012-10-03 05:23:03 PM  
Spare Me: mjohnson71: Spare Me: Calm down folks. It's just a bump in the road.

Most of me says the world is just too interconnected for anything beyond minor wars to occur from now on. But a tiny little part of me keeps thinking some big sh*t is going to go down sometime soon.

And you would most likely be right. The global geopolitical implications are getting pretty intense and Russia and China have jammed their thumbs in our eye. Turkey was a HUGE thorn in the side of the Soviets during the cold war. One thing people don't really know about the Turks. When they throw down, they mean serious business. My father fought along side the Turks during the Korean War (UN Operation). He told me the Turks were the most ferocious and brutal fighters he's ever seen. Good thing they on our side. If they go for it, Russia might lose their only external naval base. Pooty poot will NOT like that one biatchrist... you think international relations are like the WWF. Just wait until the Iron Sheik enters the ring, amirite!

/my lawn, etc.
 
2012-10-03 05:25:52 PM  

cchris_39: theknuckler_33:
Your suggestion?

*crickets*

For now, a stronger statement from Hillary supporting our ally Turkey's decision to retaliate.

What we got was really weak.


I was expecting "we should be projecting strength" from you... I think the judges would have awarded me the point on that.

What kind of stronger statement would have satisfied you? Some finger wagging? In the end it is all words. So, unless you are advocating immediate military action, your 'stronger statement' is nothing more than suggesting a 'strongly worded letter'. You are complaining about her statement because liberals.
 
2012-10-03 05:26:07 PM  
People of Turkey are peaceful and enlightened people, anyone who thinks otherwise is racist.
 
2012-10-03 05:26:28 PM  

dumbobruni: if by Fox News you mean PBS' Newshour then ok.

Link



You might want to read that link, because it gives no actual numbers, yet your claim makes it seem they are all over. When in fact, just like in Iraq, they make up less than 5% of the total opposition, and only because America refused to get involved in the Syrian crisis from the start. So it's a self fulfilling prophecy.
 
2012-10-03 05:26:36 PM  

tinyarena: [img407.imageshack.us image 300x222]


Forget the jet fighters, Syria be afraid: They've had cyborgs for centuries.

www.technovelgy.com
 
2012-10-03 05:26:38 PM  

Bruxellensis: Did I miss something that would make the headline funny?


The late 70's to early 80's apparently.
 
2012-10-03 05:27:18 PM  

imontheinternet: Farkeld: Hmm, I think your scenario is a bit far fetched. I doubt the Russians would risk a military conflict with NATO over Syria.

I admit that's a lot of risk to take, but Putin smashed Georgia and annexed territory in '08 with only a tiny fist shaking from NATO. He might think he can bully Turkey into backing off.

These things can spiral out of control quickly. Ask Archduke Franz Ferdinand.


To your first point, Turkey is not Georgia. What I mean by that, is that Turkey is a member of NATO and an important military and economic partner; Georgia is not.
To your second point, the WWI reference isn't quite applicable as it is much more complicated than that. WWI had more to do with German and French domestic politics, German military and economic projections, hubris, and the diplomatic relationships between Germany/France and Germany/Czarist Russia, than it had to do with the Archduke.

Besides, nothing says the Russians can't keep their naval base in a post-Assad era.
 
2012-10-03 05:27:30 PM  

theknuckler_33: cchris_39: theknuckler_33:
Your suggestion?

*crickets*

For now, a stronger statement from Hillary supporting our ally Turkey's decision to retaliate.

What we got was really weak.

I was expecting "we should be projecting strength" from you... I think the judges would have awarded me the point on that.

What kind of stronger statement would have satisfied you? Some finger wagging? In the end it is all words. So, unless you are advocating immediate military action, your 'stronger statement' is nothing more than suggesting a 'strongly worded letter'. You are complaining about her statement because liberals.


By the way, how do you know her comments in TFA weren't made BEFORE Turkey retaliated?
 
2012-10-03 05:27:46 PM  

imontheinternet: kvinesknows: what kind of damage did Turkey retaliatory attack do? that seems unclear to me

Turkey's a NATO member. If they invoke Article 5, all member nations are obligated to assist in a military strike.


Interesting...Thanks for the enlightenment. Does assistance = actual military involvment or can we just send money for food and bombs? Wikipedia isn't very clear on this.
 
2012-10-03 05:28:26 PM  

marius2: Chances that this was fired by a rebel group to try and piss off Turkey?


None. Syria shot down a turkish plane last month.
 
2012-10-03 05:29:50 PM  

saintwrathchild: I'm no expert on the region, but it seems like a really strange/bad time for Assad to chuck a mortar at its contentious neighbor's civilians.

/seeking enlightenment


I don't think Assad really has complete control of all the forces on his side. Apparently there are Shia militia from other countries fighting the rebels. Not to mention the hodgepodge of foreign fighters allied with the rebels. Whether this was intentional, accidental or a false flag strike is anybody's guess.
 
2012-10-03 05:30:20 PM  

I Like Shiny Things: People of Turkey are peaceful and enlightened people, anyone who thinks otherwise is racist.


Tell that to the Armenians and the Kurds.
 
2012-10-03 05:31:59 PM  

intelligent comment below: This is what happens when America does nothing to solve real humanitarian crises and drags its feel complaining about Russia and China blocking in the UN. Sure didn't stop them in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Libya, or or or.


Are we officially the police of the world now? Can we tax everyone then?
 
2012-10-03 05:32:38 PM  
gobble gobble!
 
2012-10-03 05:33:39 PM  

BalugaJoe: Corvus: WW III by proxy over the middle east? Discuss.

they use TCP/IP?


We'll run a token ring around them.
 
2012-10-03 05:33:39 PM  

theknuckler_33: cchris_39: theknuckler_33:
Your suggestion?

*crickets*

For now, a stronger statement from Hillary supporting our ally Turkey's decision to retaliate.

What we got was really weak.

I was expecting "we should be projecting strength" from you... I think the judges would have awarded me the point on that.

What kind of stronger statement would have satisfied you? Some finger wagging? In the end it is all words. So, unless you are advocating immediate military action, your 'stronger statement' is nothing more than suggesting a 'strongly worded letter'. You are complaining about her statement because liberals.


Yes, we should be projecting strength. And no, I'm not suggesting military action.

"We're outraged that youre shooting at us" is acceptable diplomacy to you?
 
2012-10-03 05:34:28 PM  

zarberg: "This will blah blah blah and we'll blah blah blah blah through it."

[jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com image 618x347]

/Reverse mortgage anyone?


Came for the HFRO reference. Leaving (somewhat) satisfied.


/This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
 
2012-10-03 05:35:52 PM  

BalugaJoe: Corvus: WW III by proxy over the middle east? Discuss.

they use TCP/IP?


no, IPX

descent2.com
 
2012-10-03 05:36:12 PM  

r1chard3: Are we officially the police of the world now? Can we tax everyone then?


The US is (AFIK) the only country in the world that taxes income earned outside it's borders, so it's not really that much of a stretch for the IRS to try and tax the whole frigging planet.
 
2012-10-03 05:37:17 PM  

cchris_39: theknuckler_33: cchris_39: theknuckler_33:
Your suggestion?

*crickets*

For now, a stronger statement from Hillary supporting our ally Turkey's decision to retaliate.

What we got was really weak.

I was expecting "we should be projecting strength" from you... I think the judges would have awarded me the point on that.

What kind of stronger statement would have satisfied you? Some finger wagging? In the end it is all words. So, unless you are advocating immediate military action, your 'stronger statement' is nothing more than suggesting a 'strongly worded letter'. You are complaining about her statement because liberals.

Yes, we should be projecting strength. And no, I'm not suggesting military action.

"We're outraged that youre shooting at us" is acceptable diplomacy to you?


Here's a guy that doesn't understand what "diplomacy" means.
 
2012-10-03 05:37:27 PM  

cchris_39: theknuckler_33: cchris_39: theknuckler_33:
Your suggestion?

*crickets*

For now, a stronger statement from Hillary supporting our ally Turkey's decision to retaliate.

What we got was really weak.

I was expecting "we should be projecting strength" from you... I think the judges would have awarded me the point on that.

What kind of stronger statement would have satisfied you? Some finger wagging? In the end it is all words. So, unless you are advocating immediate military action, your 'stronger statement' is nothing more than suggesting a 'strongly worded letter'. You are complaining about her statement because liberals.

Yes, we should be projecting strength. And no, I'm not suggesting military action.

"We're outraged that youre shooting at us" is acceptable diplomacy to you?


They weren't shooting at "us", first of all. Secondly, you don't know that Clinton's comments were before Turkey retaliated (which seems likely). Finally, what does 'projecting strength' without military action mean, specifically?
 
2012-10-03 05:38:01 PM  
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i309.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-03 05:38:20 PM  
Assad and his wife are going to end-up like Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu.

Word has it Nicolae was literally trying to climb the walls like a frightened rat when the firing squad opened up on his wife in front of him.
 
2012-10-03 05:38:22 PM  

theknuckler_33: styckx: Meh.. No farks left to give..

Sadly, this.

As far as the West is concerned, there is no "right" side of this conflict. No matter who prevails, it will be the same or worse. Leave them to their misery. I don't care anymore.


CSB

A few years ago, a buddy of mine and I were living in a condo in a mildly crappy area. Not truly ghetto, more like where the domestic help and the retail workers of the city lived. We had these neighbors who were constantly fighting. Must have been 8 of them there, all manner of stepchildren, mom's boyfriends, cousins and the like. Coming and going, some stayed for a couple months and then we never saw them again, cops and social workers coming by from time to time, you know the type.

So they were always fighting, and loud. C-words and F bombs being dropped all the time. Sometimes it would get physical, I would see the dude come out of the house with a gash on his forehead, plop down on a lawnchair outside his door and smoke a cig and drink a 24oz Bud Ice until the chick came out and begged him not to call the cops. Other times it would sound like he was bouncing her off the walls. The only thing that kept me from getting involved was that the violence always seemed so equally distributed around there. It was more like little skirmishes, no one ever seemed to get seriously hurt.

My buddy, on the other hand, was always itching to get involved, like his noise complaints were going to make them reevaluate their behavior. I told him not to fark around with a family, and that nothing good would come of it. One day I came home to find him getting SCREAMED at by 5 of them at the same time on the front lawn. The next day, my brand new car had some new custom key artwork in the paint.

That pretty much sums up my feelings on the Middle East.

/CSB
 
2012-10-03 05:40:15 PM  

I Like Shiny Things: People of Turkey are peaceful and enlightened people, anyone who thinks otherwise is racist.


Compared to Arabs, yes.

/not like that's saying much...
 
2012-10-03 05:41:44 PM  
Jive Turks.

/Nothing.
 
2012-10-03 05:42:05 PM  

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: Bruxellensis: I do appreciate the link. I just don't see the humor.

Kids today...

/Off the lawn, POST HASTE!


Funny, I find myself saying the same thing quite often.
 
2012-10-03 05:42:08 PM  
Considering the things that Nixon did to LBJ and Reagan did to Carter, I wouldn't be surprised if Romney (or Rove) has something to do with the movie that was released, the Libyan terrorist attack, and possibly this (since those first 2 didn't really stick.)

I find it really odd that these things just keep happening when Romneys numbers are down. The Libyan attack was happening right as Obama had his bump from the DNC. This is coming on the day of a debate. If something happens on October 22 (which is the foreign policy debate), then I'll have lost ALL faith in humanity.
 
2012-10-03 05:42:19 PM  

I Like Shiny Things: of Turkey are peaceful and enlightened people, anyone who thinks otherwise is racist.


Any country that, in 2012, still has a criminal blasphemy law, can in no way be considered enlightened.

/giving Ireland the stink-eye
//also Massachusetts, Michigan, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Wyoming, and Pennsylvania
 
2012-10-03 05:44:04 PM  

vernonFL: If Iran and Israel get involved, we'll have ourselves a Turducken.


Nah, that would be Turkey, Dubai, and Kenya.

(yeah I know Dubai is not a country, but there are no countries that start with "du")
 
2012-10-03 05:44:47 PM  

Dragonflew: vernonFL: If Iran and Israel get involved, we'll have ourselves a Turducken.

Nah, that would be Turkey, Dubai, and Kenya.

(yeah I know Dubai is not a country, but there are no countries that start with "du")


Funny nonetheless!
 
2012-10-03 05:45:56 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Here's a guy that doesn't understand what "diplomacy" means.


"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock." -- Will Rodgers

"Diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to hell, and having them look forward to the trip." -- multiple attributions
 
2012-10-03 05:47:13 PM  

angryjd: marius2: Chances that this was fired by a rebel group to try and piss off Turkey?

None. Syria shot down a turkish plane last month.


Case closed!! You should do CSI work. Tell us more.

According to the article, it was a recon aircraft. If it violated their airspace they were within their rights to fire upon it, considering there is a war going on. Syria has everything to lose from drawing Turkey into a war.
 
2012-10-03 05:49:58 PM  

r1chard3: Are we officially the police of the world now? Can we tax everyone then?



Considering America is in charge of NATO and unofficially runs the UN, then yes. And other countries commit much more to the UN and NATO than America. America never sends troops to UN blue helmet peacekeeping missions.
 
2012-10-03 05:50:44 PM  

Dragonflew: vernonFL: If Iran and Israel get involved, we'll have ourselves a Turducken.

Nah, that would be Turkey, Dubai, and Kenya.

(yeah I know Dubai is not a country, but there are no countries that start with "du")


DelUware
 
2012-10-03 05:52:02 PM  

EmmaLou: Considering the things that Nixon did to LBJ and Reagan did to Carter, I wouldn't be surprised if Romney (or Rove) has something to do with the movie that was released, the Libyan terrorist attack, and possibly this (since those first 2 didn't really stick.)

I find it really odd that these things just keep happening when Romneys numbers are down. The Libyan attack was happening right as Obama had his bump from the DNC. This is coming on the day of a debate. If something happens on October 22 (which is the foreign policy debate), then I'll have lost ALL faith in humanity.



Well rich and powerful Saudis still fund Al Qaeda organizations all over the world so it wouldn't be shocking if some high up GOP people asked them to ask AQ to do something significant
 
2012-10-03 05:54:20 PM  

highendmighty: indylaw: Theoretically. In reality, I don't think we're going to start World War III over Turkey.

No; it will be over Iraq, Iran, Israel, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, AND Turkey.


You forgot Yemen.
 
2012-10-03 05:55:34 PM  

sultros: angryjd: marius2: Chances that this was fired by a rebel group to try and piss off Turkey?

None. Syria shot down a turkish plane last month.

Case closed!! You should do CSI work. Tell us more.

According to the article, it was a recon aircraft. If it violated their airspace they were within their rights to fire upon it, considering there is a war going on. Syria has everything to lose from drawing Turkey into a war.


and then Syria recovered the (still living) pilots and executed them.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/report-acting-on-russian-inte l -syria-forces-murdered-pilots-of-downed-turkey-jet-1.467457

Is that still within their rights?
 
2012-10-03 05:56:11 PM  
Damiit, WiseGuy, I didn't see your post.. Great Twisted minds think alike, I guess. :)

Anyhow, has anyone seen further confirmation this was definitely the work of Assad's troops? The guy is a evil monster, for sure, but I think we ought to look into this a little closer before we start having fantasies of storming into Syria with NATO troops.

Call me a suspicious Aloysius, but after the bullshiat we were sold about Iraq, Afghanistan and now Iran, I would like to make sure this isn't something entirely different being used as an excuse for NATO to get around the Russia and Chinese veto. I have no trouble with protecting Turkey, and I hope Assad goes bye-bye, but I am not wishing to make a mockery of treaties and international law to do so.
 
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