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2012-10-03 04:40:07 PM  

kvinesknows: what kind of damage did Turkey retaliatory attack do?



It always makes me want to take a nap.

/not a DIRT nap, but a nap nonetheless
 
2012-10-03 04:40:12 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: As the subby of this one, thankyou :)


No problem. I'm sure this is like your first greenli.....

*checks profile*

oh motherf*cker....
 
2012-10-03 04:40:32 PM  

Corvus: At some point turmoil must happen to reset long brewing problems in a region when it can not through other means.


a4cgr.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-03 04:40:37 PM  

kvinesknows: what kind of damage did Turkey retaliatory attack do? that seems unclear to me


This just happened!!

But early reports indicate that gravy is everywhere - not just on the potatoes, but in the cranberries too.
 
2012-10-03 04:40:40 PM  
That WKRP episode should be required by law to be aired at least once in every city each Thanksgiving. Either that our your should be able to purchase it as a stand-alone episode.
 
2012-10-03 04:40:56 PM  
Whoa, whoa, whoa, there is turmoil in the Middle East?
 
2012-10-03 04:41:14 PM  

Bruxellensis: Did I miss something that would make the headline funny?


The '70s apparently.
 
2012-10-03 04:41:16 PM  

imontheinternet: kvinesknows: what kind of damage did Turkey retaliatory attack do? that seems unclear to me

Turkey's a NATO member. If they invoke Article 5, all member nations are obligated to assist in a military strike.


That's not quite how Article 5 works. The following link is talking about Article 5 in reference to terrorist attacks, but much of what's said is applicable to the current situation.

http://www.nato.int/terrorism/five.htm

From that link:

"Allies can provide any form of assistance they deem necessary to respond to the situation. This assistance is not necessarily military and depends on the material resources of each country. Each individual member determines how it will contribute and will consult with the other members, bearing in mind that the ultimate aim is to "to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area".
 
2012-10-03 04:41:17 PM  
Chances that this was fired by a rebel group to try and piss off Turkey?
 
2012-10-03 04:41:45 PM  

Bruxellensis: Did I miss something that would make the headline funny?


Yes, yes you did.
 
2012-10-03 04:42:38 PM  

netweavr: Syria is more or less in a state of civil war. Turkish border towns were taking in refugees. Syria decided that some of those refugees were rebels and attacked the border towns.

Turkey just retaliated proportionally. It also complained to the UN and called up NATO.


Ah, I knew about the civil war but not why Turkey might be involved.

Sounds like Turkey did the right thing.
 
2012-10-03 04:42:41 PM  
Turkey should have stepped in earlier and more forcefully anyway. Team America is all worn out. Regional police are required.
 
2012-10-03 04:42:51 PM  
So has Fox News started blaming Obama for this yet?
 
2012-10-03 04:43:15 PM  

Wise_Guy: Bruxellensis: Did I miss something that would make the headline funny?

The '70s apparently.


Missed those.
 
2012-10-03 04:43:30 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: But early reports indicate that gravy is everywhere - not just on the potatoes, but in the cranberries too.



God damn it! Now they've done it. Everything is ruined.
 
2012-10-03 04:43:56 PM  

Bruxellensis: Did I miss something that would make the headline funny?


Yes, the 80's
 
2012-10-03 04:44:31 PM  
Istanbul not Constantinople
 
2012-10-03 04:45:10 PM  
Syria: "Whoops. Our bad."
Turkey: "Suck it!"
NATO: "Now, now, boys. Play nice"
Barack Obama: "Damnitalltohell! Today!?!?"
Mitt Romney: "Hee, hee. Prep me a sound byte."

But of course, we must have the oblig:

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!
 
2012-10-03 04:45:30 PM  

Diogenes: I'd say "this will end badly" but maybe it will expedite an end to Assad's murderous tyranny.


The only thing in Syria worse than Assad will be his successor.
 
2012-10-03 04:45:36 PM  
Türkiye, EVET LANET!
 
2012-10-03 04:46:33 PM  

moefuggenbrew: Istanbul not Constantinople


Dammit! I came here to post this...
 
2012-10-03 04:46:38 PM  

Bruxellensis: Did I miss something that would make the headline funny?


Yes, the 90s.
 
2012-10-03 04:47:19 PM  

Bruxellensis: Wise_Guy: Bruxellensis: Did I miss something that would make the headline funny?

The '70s apparently.

Missed those.


Here you go: Link
 
2012-10-03 04:47:25 PM  

marius2: Chances that this was fired by a rebel group to try and piss off Turkey?


That's not normally how they pitch martyrdom, right? That's not 'striking the infidels and getting the virgins', that's 'striking Muslims and getting flattened by artillery fire 20 minutes later'.
 
2012-10-03 04:47:31 PM  
And here I thought Cincinnati was civilised . . .
 
2012-10-03 04:47:32 PM  

intelligent comment below: This is what happens when America does nothing to solve real humanitarian crises and drags its feel complaining about Russia and China blocking in the UN. Sure didn't stop them in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Libya, or or or.


Wait... WHAT?!
I thought we weren't supposed to get involved in every two bit war in the middle east because it all boiled down to trading blood for oil and becoming needlessly entangled in the local politics.

We've avoided this clustefark and now its about to become a problem for millions of people who aren't us.
Why should we change that now?
 
2012-10-03 04:48:05 PM  
Tymast Walker: no it's because they hate us for our freedoms.

I do hope you're joking.

/ no one is allowed to burry their head in the sand deeper than me!
 
2012-10-03 04:49:35 PM  

Farkeld: imontheinternet: kvinesknows: what kind of damage did Turkey retaliatory attack do? that seems unclear to me

Turkey's a NATO member. If they invoke Article 5, all member nations are obligated to assist in a military strike.

That's not quite how Article 5 works. The following link is talking about Article 5 in reference to terrorist attacks, but much of what's said is applicable to the current situation.

http://www.nato.int/terrorism/five.htm

From that link:

"Allies can provide any form of assistance they deem necessary to respond to the situation. This assistance is not necessarily military and depends on the material resources of each country. Each individual member determines how it will contribute and will consult with the other members, bearing in mind that the ultimate aim is to "to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area".


The problem goes deeper than a single mortar. Syria is under Russian protection. If the violence escalates into a shooting war, the Russians may step in to protect Syria. When the US deployed carrier groups toward Iran and Syria (IIRC last summer), the Russians positioned their carrier between Syria and the American forces. The Port of Tarsus in Syria is Russia's only friendly port in the region. They're not just going to walk away from it.

If the Russians make a move against Turkey, the choice will be to disregard Article 5 and let Turkey get its ass kicked or step in and have a direct confrontation with the Russians..
 
2012-10-03 04:50:55 PM  
The feces are a purely hypothetical preposition no longer.
 
2012-10-03 04:50:57 PM  
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-03 04:51:10 PM  
Silly people, this won't stop the debates tonight, and our fun.
 
2012-10-03 04:51:33 PM  

mjohnson71: So has Fox News started blaming Obama for this yet?


No, this time it will be Obama apologizing for America. They have to go back and forth to mix it up a bit.
 
2012-10-03 04:51:43 PM  

coco ebert: I'm a Turk so conspiratorial thinking is second nature to me.


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Is fond of your jib.
/hot
 
2012-10-03 04:51:45 PM  
The Pinedale mall has just been bombed by Turkey!
 
2012-10-03 04:51:55 PM  
Glass parking lot? Anybody?
 
2012-10-03 04:52:33 PM  

thebigfarker: Tymast Walker: no it's because they hate us for our freedoms.

I do hope you're joking.

/ no one is allowed to burry their head in the sand deeper than me!


Yeah that only works when a Republican is in office.

Republican in office: They hate us for our freedoms!

Democrat in office: We have weak leadership!

That's I think how it works for the GOP.
 
2012-10-03 04:52:58 PM  

Lollipop165: Wait... why are they bombing eachother?


The mortar attack was probably directed at a town on the Syrian side of the border and overshot.
 
2012-10-03 04:53:16 PM  
I started Turkey in my fantasy "how will armeggedon start this week?" team so I'm glad I'm on the otherside of the world from all that insanity.

/Russia had better just take Assad in as an exile before it really does become fully regional Turkey to Sinai shooting.
 
2012-10-03 04:53:17 PM  

leevis: Diogenes: I'd say "this will end badly" but maybe it will expedite an end to Assad's murderous tyranny.

The only thing in Syria worse than Assad will be his successor.


That's assuming Syria is still a thing after all of this is over. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Yugoslavia style fracturing in the next few years.
 
2012-10-03 04:53:38 PM  

Magnanimous_J: It could have been an accident. TFA said that town gets hit occasionally with stray gunfire from the Syrian Civil War, maybe it was the mortar guy's first day.


You could be on to something. I was in Germany doing training when a Bradley crew fired a round outside of the training area and hit a school. I mean you have to point like 45 degrees to get that kind of distance, that's kind of easy to notice if you know what you're doing.
 
2012-10-03 04:54:07 PM  

mjohnson71: So has Fox News started blaming Obama for this yet?


You would like that
 
2012-10-03 04:54:51 PM  
t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-03 04:55:13 PM  

wambu: And here I thought Cincinnati was civilised . . .


Yeah, right.

Link
 
2012-10-03 04:55:35 PM  

imontheinternet: Farkeld: imontheinternet: kvinesknows: what kind of damage did Turkey retaliatory attack do? that seems unclear to me

Turkey's a NATO member. If they invoke Article 5, all member nations are obligated to assist in a military strike.

That's not quite how Article 5 works. The following link is talking about Article 5 in reference to terrorist attacks, but much of what's said is applicable to the current situation.

http://www.nato.int/terrorism/five.htm

From that link:

"Allies can provide any form of assistance they deem necessary to respond to the situation. This assistance is not necessarily military and depends on the material resources of each country. Each individual member determines how it will contribute and will consult with the other members, bearing in mind that the ultimate aim is to "to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area".

The problem goes deeper than a single mortar. Syria is under Russian protection. If the violence escalates into a shooting war, the Russians may step in to protect Syria. When the US deployed carrier groups toward Iran and Syria (IIRC last summer), the Russians positioned their carrier between Syria and the American forces. The Port of Tarsus in Syria is Russia's only friendly port in the region. They're not just going to walk away from it.

If the Russians make a move against Turkey, the choice will be to disregard Article 5 and let Turkey get its ass kicked or step in and have a direct confrontation with the Russians..


Hmm, I think your scenario is a bit far fetched. I doubt the Russians would risk a military conflict with NATO over Syria.
 
2012-10-03 04:55:49 PM  
Hey! Assad!
media3.washingtonpost.comimg407.imageshack.us
What part of NATO didn't you understand?
 
2012-10-03 04:58:26 PM  

tinyarena: Hey! Assad!
[media3.washingtonpost.com image 370x222][img407.imageshack.us image 300x222]
What part of NATO didn't you understand?


Yeah, but Turkey is kinda the red-headed-stepchild of NATO. Do we really have to rush in and defend them?
 
2012-10-03 04:59:12 PM  
Good gravy! This sounds serious!
 
2012-10-03 04:59:36 PM  

Cythraul: Yeah, but Turkey is kinda the red-headed-stepchild of NATO. Do we really have to rush in and defend them?


Wait, we don't like Turkey now?

/
 
2012-10-03 04:59:46 PM  
"Our armed forces on the border responded immediately to this atrocious attack within the rules of engagement, and points in Syria determined by radar were hit with artillery fire... Turkey, within the confines of the rules of engagement and international law, will never leave these types of provocations aimed at our national security unanswered." -- TFA

Also read as: "There are rules to these sorts of things. This is what happens when we plays by the rules."
 
2012-10-03 04:59:49 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: intelligent comment below: This is what happens when America does nothing to solve real humanitarian crises and drags its feel complaining about Russia and China blocking in the UN. Sure didn't stop them in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Libya, or or or.

What happens is the country's neighbors take care of it rather than the US policing the world, and this is a bad thing?



And they are sure doing a bang up job of it, right?
 
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