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2012-10-03 04:09:27 PM
Oh SNAP!
 
2012-10-03 04:18:48 PM
Since the Saints are sucking ass and I'm not getting a lot of enjoyment out of the games I've switched to watching Tony Romo get his ass handed to him every week. Gotta get joy somewhere...
 
2012-10-03 04:38:31 PM
"Just because he wears a star on his helmet -- we all think that people who are Dallas Cowboys, 'Oh they're wonderful and ooh they're terrific, ooh they're the next Roger Staubach' or whatever the heck they want to say"

Not me. That star me tells me that he's overrated and he sucks ass. And I enjoyed the hell out of that game, especially the pick six.

/go iggles
 
2012-10-03 04:40:20 PM
I am amused by Cowboy exceptionalism to no end.
 
2012-10-03 05:01:08 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Not me. That star me tells me that he's overrated and he sucks ass. And I enjoyed the hell out of that game, especially the pick six.


Which one?
 
2012-10-03 05:47:30 PM
My girlfriend beat her opponent in our league by less than 1 point. He was winless so far, and had Romo going in on Monday night only down 16 points. Thanks to those 5 beautiful picks, he finished with 15.28.

So thank you Romo for keeping the Browns of our league from winning anything, and making my girlfriend happy.
 
2012-10-03 05:54:15 PM

brap: Oh SNAP!


I see what you did there.
 
2012-10-03 05:57:28 PM

brap: Oh SNAP!


Ouch. That hurt.
 
2012-10-03 05:58:49 PM
Romo's going to get benched in my fantasy league, in favor of Luck.
I'm hoping I can get something in trade for him.
 
2012-10-03 06:05:15 PM
Joe is still bitter for throwing 5 interceptions against the Cowboys in a Monday night game. ON HIS BIRTHDAY.

Joe the original Jake
 
2012-10-03 06:05:42 PM

R.A.Danny: I am amused by Cowboy exceptionalism to no end.


I am SO staying away from this thread.
 
2012-10-03 06:35:10 PM

scottydoesntknow: So thank you Romo for keeping the Browns of our league from winning anything, and making my girlfriend happy.


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-10-03 06:44:25 PM

timujin: scottydoesntknow: So thank you Romo for keeping the Browns of our league from winning anything, and making my girlfriend happy.

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Ha! Didn't even realize that, and it's funny cause he is the only brown person in our league (Mexican, well technically Argentinian (Argentine?), but we tell everyone he's Mexican)
 
2012-10-03 06:45:26 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: R.A.Danny: I am amused by Cowboy exceptionalism to no end.

I am SO staying away from this thread.


DOGPILE!
 
2012-10-03 06:46:03 PM
A Redskin doesnt like the Cowboys? You dont say!
 
2012-10-03 06:47:26 PM
I have a football signed by Theismann; I received it as a baby when my parents and I were eating at his restaurant. "To a future Hall of Famer," it reads.

Thanks for that, Joe. It's enough to make me tie the noose.
 
2012-10-03 06:51:23 PM
Fark Joe Theismann, and his enlarged prostate gland.
 
2012-10-03 07:05:28 PM
Remember on King of the Hill how schools were named after Staubauch or Landry or other Cowboys legends? If it were still on the air, I get the feeling that Romo would get his name on a hazardous waste disposal site or a holding cell for drunks or a man made lake that's teeming with algae.
 
2012-10-03 07:08:08 PM

hulk hogan meat shoes: Remember on King of the Hill how schools were named after Staubauch or Landry or other Cowboys legends? If it were still on the air, I get the feeling that Romo would get his name on a hazardous waste disposal site or a holding cell for drunks or a man made lake that's teeming with algae.


"The Tony Romo Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good and Wanna Learn to Do Other Stuff Good Too"
 
2012-10-03 07:12:39 PM
I like Cris Colinsworth as a commentator. He's no John Madden, mind you -- but he does a good job.

Jon Gruden, however ... so painful.
 
2012-10-03 07:34:49 PM

Mr. Potatoass: Fark Joe Theismann, and his enlarged prostate gland.


heh - was looking for that comment. Also love the fact that he changed the pronunciation of his
name to try to win the Heisman (fail).

I happened to see him in the Miami airport when he was hobbling furiously with the cast that LT delivered in something like early 1986. Yes, Cathy Lee Crosby was just behind and trying to keep up (extreme hotness definitely noted). I said "Hey Joe!" and he looked, and immediately thereafter I said "Go Giants!" (even though i am and have always been a dolphins fan) and he grimaced briefly before continuing to hobble furiously. I still love that memory.

/CSB
 
2012-10-03 07:36:34 PM

Blink: I like Cris Colinsworth as a commentator. He's no John Madden, mind you -- but he does a good job.

Jon Gruden, however ... so painful.


And there are times you can tell that Collinsworth just wants to say "What the fark is this shiat I'm watching? Are those idiots even playing professional football out there?".
 
2012-10-03 07:52:03 PM

ClavellBCMI: Blink: I like Cris Colinsworth as a commentator. He's no John Madden, mind you -- but he does a good job.

Jon Gruden, however ... so painful.

And there are times you can tell that Collinsworth just wants to say "What the fark is this shiat I'm watching? Are those idiots even playing professional football out there?".


I'd have far more respect for him if he did.
 
2012-10-03 07:56:21 PM
Romo is the most dazzling qb in the entire league!
 
2012-10-03 08:01:18 PM

brap: Oh SNAP!


*rotates leg to sharpen pencil*
 
2012-10-03 08:02:34 PM
He's a gunslinger.
 
2012-10-03 08:16:59 PM
Sorry about the following threadjack, but I'm gonna stir the pot and ask what you guys think of this trade::

I receive: MJD, Miles Austin, Andy Dalton, Mendenhall

I send: Nicks, Sproles, Stafford

On my bench:
QBs: Flacco, and Newton
RB: R. Bush, Mikel Leshoure
WR: Torrey Smith, Denarius Moore, Domenik Hixon

Eh?
 
2012-10-03 08:30:15 PM
"If it's all the wide receivers' fault, then maybe he should get some new wide receivers, or they need to come up with some new route combinations that guys can understand."

www.blogcdn.com
 
2012-10-03 08:53:42 PM

Marcus Aurelius: "Just because he wears a star on his helmet -- we all think that people who are Dallas Cowboys, 'Oh they're wonderful and ooh they're terrific, ooh they're the next Roger Staubach' or whatever the heck they want to say"

Not me. That star me tells me that he's overrated and he sucks ass. And I enjoyed the hell out of that game, especially the pick six.

/go iggles


I have the Bears defense on one fantasy team, and my opponent in my other league had Miles Austin and was down by 18 points, so I was really rooting for the Bears. And I'm a Lions fan.
 
2012-10-03 08:56:31 PM

ThatsTremendous: Sorry about the following threadjack, but I'm gonna stir the pot and ask what you guys think of this trade::

I receive: MJD, Miles Austin, Andy Dalton, Mendenhall

I send: Nicks, Sproles, Stafford

On my bench:
QBs: Flacco, and Newton
RB: R. Bush, Mikel Leshoure
WR: Torrey Smith, Denarius Moore, Domenik Hixon

Eh?


Sure, why not?
 
2012-10-03 09:19:27 PM

ThatsTremendous: Sorry about the following threadjack, but I'm gonna stir the pot and ask what you guys think of this trade::

I receive: MJD, Miles Austin, Andy Dalton, Mendenhall

I send: Nicks, Sproles, Stafford

On my bench:
QBs: Flacco, and Newton
RB: R. Bush, Mikel Leshoure
WR: Torrey Smith, Denarius Moore, Domenik Hixon

Eh?


I guess that seems reasonable. Are you in a 2 QB league?
 
2012-10-03 09:22:22 PM

ThatsTremendous: Sorry about the following threadjack, but I'm gonna stir the pot and ask what you guys think of this trade::

I receive: MJD, Miles Austin, Andy Dalton, Mendenhall

I send: Nicks, Sproles, Stafford

On my bench:
QBs: Flacco, and Newton
RB: R. Bush, Mikel Leshoure
WR: Torrey Smith, Denarius Moore, Domenik Hixon

Eh?


You sound like some bigwig in the world of sports, or Jerry Jones. I'm not qualified to give you advice on your transactions.
 
2012-10-03 09:37:15 PM

ThatsTremendous: Sorry about the following threadjack, but I'm gonna stir the pot and ask what you guys think of this trade::

I receive: MJD, Miles Austin, Andy Dalton, Mendenhall

I send: Nicks, Sproles, Stafford

On my bench:
QBs: Flacco, and Newton
RB: R. Bush, Mikel Leshoure
WR: Torrey Smith, Denarius Moore, Domenik Hixon

Eh?


Sure, do it. You aren't losing much from Stafford to Flacco, you're gaining a lot with the upgrade from sproles to MJD and torrey smith has been doing well.
 
2012-10-03 09:38:46 PM

SilentStrider:

I guess that seems reasonable. Are you in a 2 QB league?


Na just 1 QB. -I screwed up my draft and got two top 10 QBs instead of top 10 RB + QB. The other guy wanted to dump an extra QB in the process of upgrading, hence why I got Dalton as part of it.

Now onto rectifying this WR situation...


devilskware:

You sound like some bigwig in the world of sports, or Jerry Jones. I'm not qualified to give you advice on your transactions.


Oh you have no idea. Not only that, but I only drink the purest water drawn from Fijian wells by blonde virgins.
 
2012-10-03 09:42:08 PM

Chulainn: ThatsTremendous: Sorry about the following threadjack, but I'm gonna stir the pot and ask what you guys think of this trade::

I receive: MJD, Miles Austin, Andy Dalton, Mendenhall

I send: Nicks, Sproles, Stafford

On my bench:
QBs: Flacco, and Newton
RB: R. Bush, Mikel Leshoure
WR: Torrey Smith, Denarius Moore, Domenik Hixon

Eh?

Sure, do it. You aren't losing much from Stafford to Flacco, you're gaining a lot with the upgrade from sproles to MJD and torrey smith has been doing well.


Yea that was pretty much my line of thought. At this point I want to try to use Dalton to get some kinda depth at WR.
 
2012-10-03 09:43:05 PM
Thanks for the input, everyone!
 
2012-10-04 12:04:28 AM

ClavellBCMI: Blink: I like Cris Colinsworth as a commentator. He's no John Madden, mind you -- but he does a good job.

Jon Gruden, however ... so painful.

And there are times you can tell that Collinsworth just wants to say "What the fark is this shiat I'm watching? Are those idiots even playing professional football out there?".


I figured Gruden was so bad that he had to be doing some sort of character. They hype him so much on ESPN and especially ESPN radio. But he's almost too painful to put up with, even at the expense of watching MNF.

But Collinsworth I like.
 
2012-10-04 12:19:56 AM
Tony Romo threw 4 TDs in that game and the Cowboys still lost!!!
 
2012-10-04 02:06:22 AM

Your_Huckleberry: ClavellBCMI: Blink: I like Cris Colinsworth as a commentator. He's no John Madden, mind you -- but he does a good job.

Jon Gruden, however ... so painful.

And there are times you can tell that Collinsworth just wants to say "What the fark is this shiat I'm watching? Are those idiots even playing professional football out there?".

I figured Gruden was so bad that he had to be doing some sort of character. They hype him so much on ESPN and especially ESPN radio. But he's almost too painful to put up with, even at the expense of watching MNF.

But Collinsworth I like.


I'm more of the opposite. Collinsworth just comes off as smug and says nothing insightful. Gruden at least goes into some coach-style detail occasionally.
 
2012-10-04 05:17:52 AM
The problem is not that he sucks, it is more like while a good quarterback, he doesn't have the skills to succeed in the "system" he is placed in. I don't know if Jason Garrett is clueless or running teh offense and being head coach is too much for him. The Dallas offense reminds me of the Eagles offense under Buddy Ryan and Randall Cunningham. Just have Romo take the ball and "do something" each play.

Troy Aikman had more skills but Romo has better "stats". Aikman was kept in a system which exploited his strengths and hid his weaknesses. Romo needs a "system" built to his skills to where his "improvising" is only when the play breaks down ratehr than every play.

They also need a power runing game. Right now they just have Romo drop back an pass all the time. All the linebackers have to do is sit in the lanes and wait for the ball. Peyton Manning in hos prime would get picked off a bunch in his prime if haveing to deal with an offense like Dallas's.

Of course with Jerry Jones hand picking every position coach you have a bunch of "yes men" who answer to the owner rather than the best position coaches answering to the coach. The offense, defense, and special teams are on totally different pages.

Jerry Jones is the "new Al Davis". He just wears a business suit instead of a jumpsuit.
 
2012-10-04 07:59:54 AM

Blink: I like Cris Colinsworth as a commentator. He's no John Madden, mind you -- but he does a good job.

Jon Gruden, however ... so painful.


I always wondered where the Collinsworth hate comes from. He's a good analyst. The only things that drive me nuts are the obvious scripted talking points he's give, but everyone gets those.

Collinsworth occasionally appears on my local sports radio. When he does, he can give some pretty dense analysis. He shines in particular when it comes to talking about watching a play from the lines out, instead of always watching the ball.

If he didn't have to dumb it down a bit for TV, he'd be one of the best ever.
 
2012-10-04 08:25:31 AM
Chris is probably not worried, he's a pretty cool guy
 
2012-10-04 10:05:07 AM
Joe's right. Props for speaking the truth, rather than being all up in Romo's nuts like the rest of the sports media. Seriously, with Romo, it's year after year of excuses. Face it: he's a very good athlete, but he's an very average QB.
 
2012-10-04 10:07:41 AM

ClavellBCMI: Blink: I like Cris Colinsworth as a commentator. He's no John Madden, mind you -- but he does a good job.

Jon Gruden, however ... so painful.

And there are times you can tell that Collinsworth just wants to say "What the fark is this shiat I'm watching? Are those idiots even playing professional football out there?".


Which would be amusing, as he was such a mediocre player himself.

And why does he always speak through his gut, like he's trying to sound like a bigger guy than he is? You know his real voice is closer to Bob Saget's.

Collinsworth blows.
 
2012-10-04 10:09:44 AM

Treygreen13: "If it's all the wide receivers' fault, then maybe he should get some new wide receivers, or they need to come up with some new route combinations that guys can understand."

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I am not a colts or donks fan, but I like what peyton said about INTS.

paraphrasing but, every int has a story but the fans dont want to hear that, when the ball leaves the qbs hand whatever happens is on the qb.

it is nice to see someone take responsibility.
 
2012-10-04 10:11:04 AM

Treygreen13: "If it's all the wide receivers' fault, then maybe he should get some new wide receivers, or they need to come up with some new route combinations that guys can understand."

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His point was that they don't go and get new WRs, or come up with new routes, because it's NOT their fault.

Again, somehow, it's ALWAYS someone else's fault than Romo's, it seems. At what point do people acknowledge the obvious?
 
2012-10-04 10:32:13 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Again, somehow, it's ALWAYS someone else's fault than Romo's, it seems. At what point do people acknowledge the obvious?


What's the obvious? He's a very good but not elite quarterback who occasionally shiats the bed in tremendous fashion? Jerry Jones is a hilarious egomaniac who doesn't know how to put together a football team?

He's still got close to a 2:1 TD:INT ratio and 8 yards/attempt. Lots of teams would swap QBs with Dallas in a heartbeat.
 
rka
2012-10-04 11:52:32 AM

you have pee hands: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Again, somehow, it's ALWAYS someone else's fault than Romo's, it seems. At what point do people acknowledge the obvious?

What's the obvious? He's a very good but not elite quarterback who occasionally shiats the bed in tremendous fashion? Jerry Jones is a hilarious egomaniac who doesn't know how to put together a football team?

He's still got close to a 2:1 TD:INT ratio and 8 yards/attempt. Lots of teams would swap QBs with Dallas in a heartbeat.


Right now? Name them.

KC, Tampa, Cleveland is all I've got.

How many teams want a $9-11 million per year Tony Romo? Andy Dalton is a 2:1 TD/INT guy with a 8+ yds/attempt too. Are there a lot of teams clamouring for him?
 
2012-10-04 12:17:04 PM

rka: Right now? Name them.

KC, Tampa, Cleveland is all I've got.

How many teams want a $9-11 million per year Tony Romo? Andy Dalton is a 2:1 TD/INT guy with a 8+ yds/attempt too. Are there a lot of teams clamouring for him?


You're overreacting like crazy to one bad game.

How about the Eagles? $10M for Romo or $20M for Vick... let me think about that
Cutler is a poor man's Romo. The Bears switch.
The Seahawks, Jets, Dolphins, Bills, and Jags all need a QB who can occasionally win a game even if he'll sometimes blow them for you.

He's also an upgrade for Minnesota, Oakland, Arizona and a couple more teams but I'll assume that those teams will overrate their own guy on the basis of a couple early season wins.
 
2012-10-04 12:38:40 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: His point was that they don't go and get new WRs, or come up with new routes, because it's NOT their fault.

Again, somehow, it's ALWAYS someone else's fault than Romo's, it seems. At what point do people acknowledge the obvious?


Except, you know, in the case of the two INTs he's referring to... where it was *directly* his receiver's faults. Just because Theismann takes a dump on a Cowboys player doesn't change the fact that when you hit a receiver in his numbers and it pops up off his chest and to an opposing player, it's not your fault. You did your job.
 
rka
2012-10-04 12:56:11 PM

you have pee hands: rka: Right now? Name them.

KC, Tampa, Cleveland is all I've got.

How many teams want a $9-11 million per year Tony Romo? Andy Dalton is a 2:1 TD/INT guy with a 8+ yds/attempt too. Are there a lot of teams clamouring for him?

You're overreacting like crazy to one bad game.

How about the Eagles? $10M for Romo or $20M for Vick... let me think about that
Cutler is a poor man's Romo. The Bears switch.
The Seahawks, Jets, Dolphins, Bills, and Jags all need a QB who can occasionally win a game even if he'll sometimes blow them for you.

He's also an upgrade for Minnesota, Oakland, Arizona and a couple more teams but I'll assume that those teams will overrate their own guy on the basis of a couple early season wins.


Tony Romo is a 10 year vet that is completely meh. He's not good enough to warrant swapping for most teams as he clearly isn't better or in the cases that he is better, he's more expensive than he's worth. That's the trouble with vets. You better be a hell of a lot better because you sure as hell are going to be more expensive.

The Eagles...hmm, maybe. Vick would have to suck worse than Romo for the Eages to switch. So far he has not. 4 TD/6 INT is not much different than 5TD/8INT. So while he's less money, he's not an upgrade at the position. On the fence with that one.
Bears don't switch. Sorry. Chicago is going to ride the "We finally got our QB" train with Cutler for as long as they can.
Seahawks go with the rookie.
Jets go with Tebow for at least this year, if they make a change at all.
Miami sticks with Tannehill. Cheaper, and they're going to suck anyways.
Bills and Jags? Eh, maybe the Jags, but again...cost factor.

LIke you said, Minnesota and Arizona are winning..they don't switch. And Oakland already blew their wad on a veteran "quick fix", their next QB comes from the draft.

So maybe we're up to 5 or 6 teams that would take Romo over their current situations?
 
2012-10-04 01:00:27 PM
I'd take Romo in Seattle. We have a better defense than Dallas and would instantly be contenders. I'm not giving up Wilson to get him, but I'll take him. Maybe I'd give up Flynn, and I like Flynn.
 
rka
2012-10-04 01:03:05 PM

IAmRight: I'd take Romo in Seattle. We have a better defense than Dallas and would instantly be contenders. I'm not giving up Wilson to get him, but I'll take him. Maybe I'd give up Flynn, and I like Flynn.


Are they hoping for a big splash year? Like Oakland tried with Palmer?

Is Seattle that close to taking the division from San Fran or...Arizona?

I personally don't see it.
 
2012-10-04 01:07:53 PM

rka: Are they hoping for a big splash year? Like Oakland tried with Palmer?

Is Seattle that close to taking the division from San Fran or...Arizona?

I personally don't see it.


Probably because you're trying to place Romo on another squad after a bad game, instead of reviewing his career stats.
 
rka
2012-10-04 01:21:21 PM

Treygreen13: rka: Are they hoping for a big splash year? Like Oakland tried with Palmer?

Is Seattle that close to taking the division from San Fran or...Arizona?

I personally don't see it.

Probably because you're trying to place Romo on another squad after a bad game, instead of reviewing his career stats.


Well, yeah, you can look at his career stats and say he's a better QB than Steve Young, Tom Brady and Joe Montana in the regular season, but worse than Jake Delhomme and Matt Hassleback in the playoffs. But that would be stupid. I'd wouldn't put Romo in the same room as the first three but would say he's better than the last two.

No, I realize he's a better QB than Wilson straight up right now. But teams don't entirely base their decisions on just that.

He's a $18 million dollar cap hit too. Is he worth that to the Seahawks?
 
2012-10-04 01:28:20 PM

rka: No, I realize he's a better QB than Wilson straight up right now. But teams don't entirely base their decisions on just that.

He's a $18 million dollar cap hit too. Is he worth that to the Seahawks?


Let's throw cap space out of it, and youth. It's a single NFL season - roster locked except you can trade QBs with Dallas. Everything reverts next season.

How many teams do it?

Dolphins, Jets, Browns, Colts, Jags, Titans, Chiefs, Raiders, Vikings, Buccaneers, Cardinals, Rams and Seahawks all are looking at that trade.
 
2012-10-04 01:33:17 PM
And that's after a career bad game.

Let's face the facts: Tony is a very good QB right now playing behind a bad offensive line.

This week, he had 3 turnovers that weren't his fault.

One to a receiver who ran the wrong route, one that hit his receiver in the numbers and was popped up, and one where he got hit because his offensive line broke down and he got clubbed from behind. The last two were bad passes trying to make something happen, so that's 2 on him.

He made 2 bad decisions in the game and you're talking about how the Dolphins wouldn't take him. The Dolphins, man.
 
rka
2012-10-04 01:34:11 PM

Treygreen13: rka: No, I realize he's a better QB than Wilson straight up right now. But teams don't entirely base their decisions on just that.

He's a $18 million dollar cap hit too. Is he worth that to the Seahawks?

Let's throw cap space out of it, and youth. It's a single NFL season - roster locked except you can trade QBs with Dallas. Everything reverts next season.

How many teams do it?

Dolphins, Jets, Browns, Colts, Jags, Titans, Chiefs, Raiders, Vikings, Buccaneers, Cardinals, Rams and Seahawks all are looking at that trade.


So basically Romo is better than some (not all) rookies and the guys obviously scraping by?

Yeah. That about sums him up I guess.
 
2012-10-04 01:47:02 PM

rka: Treygreen13: rka: No, I realize he's a better QB than Wilson straight up right now. But teams don't entirely base their decisions on just that.

He's a $18 million dollar cap hit too. Is he worth that to the Seahawks?

Let's throw cap space out of it, and youth. It's a single NFL season - roster locked except you can trade QBs with Dallas. Everything reverts next season.

How many teams do it?

Dolphins, Jets, Browns, Colts, Jags, Titans, Chiefs, Raiders, Vikings, Buccaneers, Cardinals, Rams and Seahawks all are looking at that trade.

So basically Romo is better than some (not all) rookies and the guys obviously scraping by?

Yeah. That about sums him up I guess.


Those are guys that the teams would say are "demonstrably not as good". Some of the other guys (like Fitzpatrick) are probably worse but not so much so that you'd blow up your system for Romo, some guys (like Vick) have an entire team built around them, and some guys (Griffin III) show a lot of potential but the jury is still out so you wait and see.

If you've been watching the Cowboys games this year, you've seen that the problem with the team isn't Tony Romo. It's that they don't have anything *but* Tony Romo. The offensive line can't run or pass block, and his receivers have had serious, serious dropping issues.

Have you been watching them?
 
2012-10-04 01:56:56 PM

rka: Is Seattle that close to taking the division from San Fran or...Arizona?


Yes, they are. They just lost a game in which the only points scored against them were on special teams. They've given up the second-fewest points in the NFL and lead the NFL in rushing. Even if they don't take the division, they have a good shot at the wild card.
 
2012-10-04 01:57:02 PM

you have pee hands: rka: Right now? Name them.

KC, Tampa, Cleveland is all I've got.

How many teams want a $9-11 million per year Tony Romo? Andy Dalton is a 2:1 TD/INT guy with a 8+ yds/attempt too. Are there a lot of teams clamouring for him?

You're overreacting like crazy to one bad game.


Cutler is a poor man's Romo. The Bears switch.


You're crazy if you think that the Bears trade Cutler for Romo, especially after picking up Cutler's lifelong "playing catch buddy" Marshall.
Plus, the Bears are eerily similar to the Cowboys in the sense that both have turnstyles for an offensive lines. Actually, the Bears OL is probably worse than the Cowboys, given that the Bears have a decent running game keeping the defense honest. I think they are both decent QBs when they aren't running for their lives.

I think another question would be is, "what would the general perception of Romo be if he played for anyone else except for Dallas" given that the microscope on the QB is much harsher there than in other places.
 
2012-10-04 01:57:46 PM
Minor correction: They don't lead the league in rushing; they have the league's leading rusher.
 
rka
2012-10-04 02:01:14 PM

Treygreen13: If you've been watching the Cowboys games this year, you've seen that the problem with the team isn't Tony Romo. It's that they don't have anything *but* Tony Romo. The offensive line can't run or pass block, and his receivers have had serious, serious dropping issues.


That wasn't the question or even the debate.

The question was how many teams would swap for Romo? The implication was that Romo was obviously in the "good" to "great" NFL tier of QBs.

With your own restrictions (no cap, ignore age) you identified a list of rookies and obvious below average QBs. There was no one on your own list that rises to even a "good NFL QB" that you'd trade Romo for.

You're a Romo supporter and at best you have him King of the Average. I actually concur.
 
2012-10-04 02:03:02 PM

nursetim:
I have the Bears defense on one fantasy team, and my opponent in my other league had Miles Austin and was down by 18 points, so I was really rooting for the Bears. And I'm a Lions fan.


FF messes with you doesn't it? I was losing going into the MNF game and had Romo and the Bears D, and my opponent had the Cowboys D and the Bears' Melton (IDP League). So, I wanted the Bears D to come up big as long as Melton wasn't doing the tackling, but also have Romo have a decent game, but the Bears to score a lot of points...all the while wanting the Bears to win because I'm a Bears fan.

/It all worked out
//In FF and real life
///CSB
 
rka
2012-10-04 02:03:32 PM

rka: With your own restrictions (no cap, ignore age) you identified a list of rookies and obvious below average QBs. There was no one on your own list that rises to even a "good NFL QB" that you'd trade Romo for.


And if you remove those restrictions and operate in the real world, the actual list of teams that would make that switch gets even smaller.

You can't be average and expensive.
 
2012-10-04 02:04:56 PM

rka: That wasn't the question or even the debate.

The question was how many teams would swap for Romo? The implication was that Romo was obviously in the "good" to "great" NFL tier of QBs.

With your own restrictions (no cap, ignore age) you identified a list of rookies and obvious below average QBs. There was no one on your own list that rises to even a "good NFL QB" that you'd trade Romo for.

You're a Romo supporter and at best you have him King of the Average. I actually concur.


Have you been watching the Cowboys games? Just answer that.
 
2012-10-04 02:09:47 PM

rka: And if you remove those restrictions and operate in the real world, the actual list of teams that would make that switch gets even smaller.

You can't be average and expensive.


You're basically basing the "average" off of a quarter season that looks especially bad because of one terrible game. He had 31 TDs and 10 INTs last year. There's no way that's average.
 
rka
2012-10-04 02:13:54 PM

Treygreen13: rka: That wasn't the question or even the debate.

The question was how many teams would swap for Romo? The implication was that Romo was obviously in the "good" to "great" NFL tier of QBs.

With your own restrictions (no cap, ignore age) you identified a list of rookies and obvious below average QBs. There was no one on your own list that rises to even a "good NFL QB" that you'd trade Romo for.

You're a Romo supporter and at best you have him King of the Average. I actually concur.

Have you been watching the Cowboys games? Just answer that.


You obviously have, and you have him right at average. In the best of circumstances that you yourself set up you don't even have half the league swapping for him. That's the VERY DEFINITION of average. Why are you so defensive over me agreeing with you?

And Dallas is kind of hard to miss when they are the only game on during 50% of this year's schedule so far. (Thursday night game and a Monday nighter). So yes, I have watched them. And I have Game Rewind so I watch most all the games during the week.

But I thought this was about Romo's entire body of work ... right? Why the sudden emphasis on what anyone has watched just this year?
 
rka
2012-10-04 02:17:04 PM

you have pee hands: rka: And if you remove those restrictions and operate in the real world, the actual list of teams that would make that switch gets even smaller.

You can't be average and expensive.

You're basically basing the "average" off of a quarter season that looks especially bad because of one terrible game. He had 31 TDs and 10 INTs last year. There's no way that's average.


And last year was his overall best year statistically. He's a career 2:1 TD/INT guy. You don't get to cherry pick his very best year any more than anyone else gets to cherry pick his worst.
 
2012-10-04 02:21:44 PM

rka: There was no one on your own list that rises to even a "good NFL QB" that you'd trade Romo for.


That's because if you already have a good one or one on the same level, you wouldn't swap.

If I have an XBox, I would trade it for an XBox 360. It's a generation advance.

If I have an XBox, I would trade it for a PS3, though it's a little bit sketchier at this point because hey, I have some games that I like playing and then I'd have to get other ones and I have to learn more of a new system, etc.

If I have an XBox 360, I'm not going to trade it for a PS3 - they're roughly equal, same generation, and I already have experience with the 360 and I already have games for it and everything. By trading, I just put myself through a transition phase where I don't really gain anything in the long-run either.

This is how it is with Tony Romo - if I have Blaine Gabbert, hell yeah I'm trading for a Tony Romo. If I have a Philip Rivers or a Jay Cutler or a Michael Vick, then I'm considering it but f*ck, why trade for that PS3 when I've been planning everything with my 360?
 
2012-10-04 02:22:11 PM

rka: You obviously have, and you have him right at average. In the best of circumstances that you yourself set up you don't even have half the league swapping for him. That's the VERY DEFINITION of average. Why are you so defensive over me agreeing with you?


You obviously haven't been watching them very closely if you've watched them and thought that the problem with the Dallas Cowboys was that Tony Romo wasn't good. Especially if you only saw 2 of them and one was Tony scorching the Giants in week 1 in the season opener.

I don't have Tony Romo at average. I said that 13 teams would in an instant drop the guy they have for him. The same you'd say for Tom Brady or Ben Roethlisberger.

Would the Broncos drop Peyton Manning for Ben Roethlisberger? Of course not. Doesn't mean Ben is "worse" than Peyton.

Would the Ravens drop Joe Flacco right now for anyone?
Would the Falcons drop Matt Ryan right now for anyone?

No, they wouldn't. But those are two QBs who everyone was dumping on the previous seasons for being "not very good." And now Matt Ryan has strung together a few wins and everyone's jerking their cranks over him.

rka: But I thought this was about Romo's entire body of work ... right? Why the sudden emphasis on what anyone has watched just this year?


I ask because I seriously doubt you've been watching the games Tony has been in, because if you did you'd know that he's basically the only thing on the Cowboys that is working right now. But you haven't.
 
2012-10-04 02:22:32 PM

rka: And last year was his overall best year statistically. He's a career 2:1 TD/INT guy. You don't get to cherry pick his very best year any more than anyone else gets to cherry pick his worst.


I generally haven't been. I pointed out that he's a 2:1 TD:INT guy already. Vick is a career 1.5 TD:INT guy, a fumble machine, and has missed a quarter of his career games due to injury Fitzpatrick has 80 TDs and 72 INTs. Carson Palmer is 1.5:1 and he's clearly not the player he was on the Bengals anymore. These are guys you said you wouldn't switch Romo for. Hell, Peyton Manning has 407 TDs and 201 INTs - a 2:1 TD:INT guy is not average.
 
2012-10-04 02:30:46 PM

rka: And last year was his overall best year statistically. He's a career 2:1 TD/INT guy. You don't get to cherry pick his very best year any more than anyone else gets to cherry pick his worst.


Let's take his career numbers, then.

Career Passer Rating - All Time
Tony Romo 4th

Yards per attempt - All Time
Tony Romo 5th

Completion Rating - All Time
Tony Romo 6th

Passing Touchdown Percent - Active Players
Tony Romo 2nd

Net Yards per Pass Attempt - Active Players
Tony Romo 1st

Yards per Pass Completion - Active Players
Tony Romo 4th

Tony Romo is not "average". You don't put up these stats because you're average. You don't luck into the 6th highest completion percentage of ALL TIME. If so, we'd have Matt Moore coming in 2nd on that list and Mark Sanchez being 3rd in Passer Rating.

This year, his offensive line is composed of cast-offs and his receivers have had serious issues with drops. The last game he had 3 turnovers that were the fault of someone else and then threw 2 more because he was trying to force-start an offense that simply isn't working. And you try to capitalize on that down game to say that he's "average". Well, he's not. Sorry.
 
rka
2012-10-04 02:32:55 PM

IAmRight: rka: There was no one on your own list that rises to even a "good NFL QB" that you'd trade Romo for.

That's because if you already have a good one or one on the same level, you wouldn't swap.

If I have an XBox, I would trade it for an XBox 360. It's a generation advance.

If I have an XBox, I would trade it for a PS3, though it's a little bit sketchier at this point because hey, I have some games that I like playing and then I'd have to get other ones and I have to learn more of a new system, etc.

If I have an XBox 360, I'm not going to trade it for a PS3 - they're roughly equal, same generation, and I already have experience with the 360 and I already have games for it and everything. By trading, I just put myself through a transition phase where I don't really gain anything in the long-run either.

This is how it is with Tony Romo - if I have Blaine Gabbert, hell yeah I'm trading for a Tony Romo. If I have a Philip Rivers or a Jay Cutler or a Michael Vick, then I'm considering it but f*ck, why trade for that PS3 when I've been planning everything with my 360?


That's my point.

The original question was "How many teams swap for Romo"? Realistically. Someone said "a lot".

I originally had it at 3 off the top of my head and got talked up to 5-6, maybe 7 if you're right about Seattle.

Agree or disagree? Higher? Lower?

It's greater than 0 but "a lot"? I don't think so.
 
2012-10-04 02:42:46 PM

rka: The original question was "How many teams swap for Romo"? Realistically. Someone said "a lot".


How many is "a lot"? I gave you 13.
 
rka
2012-10-04 02:47:01 PM

Treygreen13: rka: The original question was "How many teams swap for Romo"? Realistically. Someone said "a lot".

How many is "a lot"? I gave you 13.


Not realistically though because you ignore salary cap and age and that some teams are going to let a rookie struggle a bit.

Let's compromise on +10.5. 1/3 of the league but take actually reality into account.

Can you find more than 10 teams that would realistically make that swap? Hell, I'm up to 5-7.
 
2012-10-04 02:55:48 PM
That's just mean. Everyone know Cris just shows up because he has nothing else to do and Al feels bad. He is not actually employed.
 
2012-10-04 03:06:39 PM

rka: Treygreen13: rka: The original question was "How many teams swap for Romo"? Realistically. Someone said "a lot".

How many is "a lot"? I gave you 13.

Not realistically though because you ignore salary cap and age and that some teams are going to let a rookie struggle a bit.

Let's compromise on +10.5. 1/3 of the league but take actually reality into account.

Can you find more than 10 teams that would realistically make that swap? Hell, I'm up to 5-7.


Dolphins, Jets, Browns, Colts, Jags, Titans, Chiefs, Raiders, Vikings, Buccaneers, Cardinals, Rams and Seahawks

The Dolphins would do it. Romo has 5-6 years left. If they could arrange a swap right now that wouldn't kill their salary cap (although why the Cowboys would trade Romo for Tannehill I don't know) they'd be fools not to.

The Jets don't even have a good backup. They could use Romo.

The Browns would do it. I don't think anyone is clamoring for Wheeden other than to say that he's not awful.

The Colts have so much invested in Luck right now that I doubt they would, realistically. The whole franchise is dedicated at this moment to growing around Luck. So they're out. Romo (at this moment) is better than Luck but the Colts aren't one player away from a Super Bowl.

The Jaguars would.

The Titans just lost their new franchise guy to injury, so it would be wise for them. Romo is better than Hasselbeck and Locker.

The Chiefs have Cassel, who is abysmal.

The Raiders have Palmer, who they are paying $43mil/4 years. Romo is right around there and is better by a mile.

The Vikings really aren't expecting Christian Ponder to be *the guy*, are they? They could do far, far worse than Tony Romo.

The Buccaneers have a perennial underachiever in Josh Freeman. He is by far the most overrated QB in the NFL. That one is a no-brainer.

The Cardinals are doing what they're doing with average QB play with whoever they plug in. Imagine how they'd be doing with a guy like Romo.

The Rams have been sitting on Sam Bradford's ludicrous contract. If they could get out of that humongous contract for what they've gotten I bet they would.

The Seahawks have a guy that shot up the draft board and shows some potential. But look at his games so far - he should be 1-3 going into week 5, but is 2-2 because potato refs don't know the rules. He's had one of the best defensive performances in recent Seahawks history and a killer running game, and he's 4td/4INT. Maybe out of hope, they keep the guy. So we'll scratch him off the list.

That's 11 teams that would do it right now.
 
2012-10-04 03:15:19 PM
rka, The point is that it's a stupid question and has no real bearing on Tony Romo's value other than the fact that you want to dump on him. Romo is demonstrably better than twenty other starting QBs in the league and a perfectly reasonable argument could be made for placing him top 10, regardless of how many teams are in a position that a hypothetical straight up trade for Romo would make sense. Arguing about whats 'realistic' is patently absurd, because teams just don't trade their starting QBs to other teams for their starting QBs. The whole concept is unrealistic.

So the answer to your question is: Who gives a fark?
 
2012-10-04 03:16:11 PM
Here's my take on Romo. Their is a reason he went to a Division II school. He is a Division II QB. It doesn't make him a bad QB, just trying to play above his actual talent level.

/totally dig the Cowboys losing
//Jerry Jones the new Al Davis
 
2012-10-04 03:18:34 PM

Treygreen13: That's 11 teams that would do it right now.


Add the Bills. Fitzpatrick's deal is $59M/6yr (ya rly) and he's terrible.

I think the Eagles would do it. They're really not built on Vick's strengths (his mobility helps behind a busted O-Line, but the O-Line is busted more because of injuries than by design, and Jackson/Maclin/Avant/Celek is a decent set of targets for a guy who can actually throw), and Vick's occasional ridiculous play doesn't make up for the fact that he still tries to throw across his body across the middle of the field while running the other direction or the fact that he doesn't know how to slide. The only thing Vick has going for him is you can cut him after this year for $3M, but you've still got to replace him and all they have is untested rookie Nick Foles.
 
2012-10-04 03:25:01 PM

you have pee hands: Add the Bills. Fitzpatrick's deal is $59M/6yr (ya rly) and he's terrible.


Wow, yeah. That's a bad contract.

I doubt the Eagles would do it. They've really bought in on Vick. Romo is mobile but in a different way than Vick. He's not a running threat.
 
rka
2012-10-04 03:25:53 PM

Treygreen13: The Titans just lost their new franchise guy to injury, so it would be wise for them. Romo is better than Hasselbeck and Locker.


Well, ok. If you are swapping based on this specific injury. Ok. But that would be more like swapping Hasselbeck for Romo wouldn't it?

Non-injured Locker?

I don't think they make that swap in his 2nd year.

And I disagree on the Jets. The Jets are foolishly going to be riding the Tebow Circus Train.
Also the Raiders, I'm sticking by my assertion that the Raiders are not looking for another expensive free agent.

Otherwise, not much disagreement. I want to disagree on Ponder, but really...can't.

Button Fly: So the answer to your question is: Who gives a fark?


You just invalidated 95% of the discussions on Fark. I hope you're happy.
 
2012-10-04 03:35:56 PM

rka: Non-injured Locker?


It's not like Locker is really lighting up the world when he's healthy.

rka: And I disagree on the Jets. The Jets are foolishly going to be riding the Tebow Circus Train.


Well the media circus in New York keeping Sanchez/Tebow going doesn't mean that a normal GM wouldn't make that decision.

rka: Also the Raiders, I'm sticking by my assertion that the Raiders are not looking for another expensive free agent.


I think they'd be a little gunshy about spending another #1 overall pick on a QB - and remember they picked up Palmer as a replacement, not because they saw him and thought he was going to be "the guy from now on". He's still there because he's not terrible, not because he's good. Maybe without Al Davis and the new rookie contract structure they go back to the draft. Hard to say.

Now, where the sticking point in all this lies is that the Cowboys wouldn't trade Romo for any of those guys.

I can only think of a couple QBs who could survive behind that offensive line the Cowboys have. Roethlisberger just on sheer size (and experience behind awful, awful offensive lines) and Cam Newton because he's running and gunning all the time anyway. Tony doesn't even get 5-step drops, he's got somebody in the backfield the second the snap is made because his offensive-line is a pool of scraps from other teams, except his LT. His TE who had been good is getting trucked on the line because he's still trying to come back from a ruptured spleen. There's no running game, zero. Murray had 1 run of any consequence this season, and it was when he was grabbed in the backfield and broke off a huge play. They literally brought in guys off the street this season to pretend to be offensive-linemen so they had enough bodies to line up and run plays.

It's a bad, bad team right now.
 
2012-10-04 04:54:28 PM

the_celt: Here's my take on Romo. Their is a reason he went to a Division II school. He is a Division II QB. It doesn't make him a bad QB, just trying to play above his actual talent level.


Aaron Rodgers had to go to a JC in order to get to play NCAA ball. And even that almost didn't happen.

/and FCS is not Division II.

rka: And I disagree on the Jets. The Jets are foolishly going to be riding the Tebow Circus Train.
Also the Raiders, I'm sticking by my assertion that the Raiders are not looking for another expensive free agent.


Just because they wouldn't doesn't mean they shouldn't.
 
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