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(The New York Times)   ..and once we bulldoze this Frank Lloyd Wright home, we'll head on over to the Louvre   (nytimes.com) divider line 162
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2012-10-03 02:21:45 PM
Farking developers. Only care about dollar signs. Especially evident when the offer they got was probably juuuust under what they were asking.
 
2012-10-03 02:27:44 PM
Thank Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan that this house was not located in Houston. It would be long gone by now.
 
2012-10-03 02:39:05 PM
Granddaughters ... sold it to a buyer promising to fix it up and live in it. But the buyer did neither, and the place, on its 2.2-acre lot, went back on the market

They probably cut the guy a deal too, to preserve the place, but didn't get it in a contract. Not that you can generally tell someone what to do with their own property. But what Phoenix needs is more McMansions!


Disclaimer: I live in a Phoenix suburb McMansion.
 
2012-10-03 02:51:50 PM
That's a pretty groovy design.  But is it built out of cinder block?  I think it would be even cooler covered with adobe.
 
Watch me ruin the architects vision!
 
Did monkey-face Jesus painting restoration teach us NOTHING?
 
2012-10-03 02:54:08 PM
FTFA: "The place was uninhabited for four years and it had never been placed on a watch list," explained John Hoffman, managing partner of 8081 Meridian, when I called him on Monday. "We didn't close on the property until the city approved a lot split. The line through the property went through one end of the house, so it was an indirect approval for demolition."

Somebody here is a dick.
 
2012-10-03 03:01:17 PM
In retrospect, steps should have been taken long ago, by Wright's heirs and by city officials, to avoid all this.


Damn straight. What a crime it would be to lose this home. It's not the same as the Taleban blowing up the Bamiyan Buddha statutes, but it's just as infuriating and heartbreaking to those who love great art/architecture.
 
2012-10-03 03:36:15 PM
Who gives a shiat? It's an old house that some guy who invented flying once lived in. Big whoop
 
2012-10-03 03:38:20 PM
FARK!
 
2012-10-03 03:39:18 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Who gives a shiat? It's an old house that some guy who invented flying once lived in. Big whoop


A dude named Orville Wright,
Told his bro lets invent flight,
So Wilbur said "a'ight",
Write it down muthafarkas
 
2012-10-03 03:39:29 PM
Farking skin jobs.

i90.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-03 03:39:34 PM

I_Love_Cheesecake: In retrospect, steps should have been taken long ago, by Wright's heirs and by city officials, to avoid all this.


Damn straight. What a crime it would be to lose this home. It's not the same as the Taleban blowing up the Bamiyan Buddha statutes, but it's just as infuriating and heartbreaking to those who love great art/architecture.


Great. You people do understand that the stupid house is just a red herring, don't you? The real problem here is trees. They're everywhere, on everyone's land. They don't pay rent, they don't pay taxes. And some of them have been doing it for 50 to 100 years! That's why I cheer whenever a developer comes in and clear cuts a former section of park, or absolutely levels every square inch of a plot. That will teach those farking trees. Who needs em!
 
2012-10-03 03:40:09 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Who gives a shiat? It's an old house that some guy who invented flying once lived in. Big whoop


Srsly?
 
2012-10-03 03:41:50 PM
BFD. Ugly house. If you own the property, do what you want. No one even knew about this thing but now it must be "saved"???
 
2012-10-03 03:42:44 PM
Who cares about Frank Lloyd Wright. Little do you guys know that Samuel Pierpont Langley was really closer to building the first sustained flight aircraft.
 
2012-10-03 03:42:49 PM
Judging by the slide show, the thing is hideous. Almost an eyesore.
 
2012-10-03 03:42:59 PM
I just wanted to say that his falling water house is so beautiful inside and out that it causes me physical pain to be unable to own/live in it.
 
2012-10-03 03:43:23 PM

FriarReb98: Farking developers.


Yep. I can't decide if we should have them guillotined on the National Mall or just use a more-efficient firing squad.

But the family should take some of the blame. There's a wonderful example of a mid-modern house in Raleigh that will probably be torn down eventually. The parents left it to the kids who are apparently content to live off the trust fund. So when the house needed repairs, those repairs were never done. At one point, the in-floor heating system was refilled with water instead of glycol so the pipes and boiler have all rusted past the point of repair. Repairing that alone would mean tearing up the entire concrete and stone floor system, which would probably cost more than the value of the house.

I've seen this happen to significant houses (historically or architecturally) in a number of cases, in towns like Raleigh, Chapel Hill, and Wilmington. Some times the house can be saved, some times it's just a loss.
 
2012-10-03 03:44:42 PM

KatjaMouse: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Who gives a shiat? It's an old house that some guy who invented flying once lived in. Big whoop

Srsly?


Come on, you're better than that
 
2012-10-03 03:46:33 PM

Honest Bender: I just wanted to say that his falling water house is so beautiful inside and out that it causes me physical pain to be unable to own/live in it.


Heh - I know one of the WPC board members for the house. He has two things to say to people who want to live there:

1. No closets
2. Rising damp
 
2012-10-03 03:47:07 PM
I have the lego falling water model. I display it in my apartment as art and not a single person hasn't taken it seriously.
 
2012-10-03 03:48:16 PM
33.501567,-111.969117

Nice place.
 
2012-10-03 03:48:40 PM
How is a Frank Lloyd Wright house NOT worth $2.2 million? How the heck is the property value going to be improved by tearing it down?

I mean, here's the lot. Cut it in half with the house in one half, sell the unimproved half for $900,000 (about what an unimproved lot in that area goes for). The other lot would be worth $900,000 unimproved. If you don't think the Frank Lloyd house is worth an additional $400K, well, I have nothing to add.
 
2012-10-03 03:48:41 PM
Developers are greedy, useless dicks. Whadyano? Around here, they'd throw up six McMansions in the same space the house occupied and they'd have the project completed in three months. Then they'd give it some absurd name like "Windermere Chase" and price them "from the high $600s".
 
2012-10-03 03:48:53 PM
Johnson and Johnson hired Wright to come to Racine, WI (where their world HQ is/was) and had him design a bunch of buildings, including a planetarium, office buildings and several houses on the north end of town. I knew a girl whose folks had bought one and got to attend a party there; you think the outsides look neat, get inside of one if you ever get a chance.

/yep, that's all about Racine has left
//that and Cocaine
 
2012-10-03 03:49:10 PM
I think this this concrete behemoth has been off the radar because its sofa king ugly, but it would still be a shame to have it demolished.
 
2012-10-03 03:50:16 PM
Bulldozing a Frank Lloyd Wright house is to architecture as a Darwin award recipient dying is to the gene pool.
 
2012-10-03 03:50:52 PM
I've been in a few homes and buildings designed by Wright and have always thought he was an artist as well as a genius.
 
2012-10-03 03:50:53 PM

Honest Bender: I just wanted to say that his falling water house is so beautiful inside and out that it causes me physical pain to be unable to own/live in it.


If I ever win over $200,000,000 in any lottery, I'm going to have a replica of that house built for me... That or pay the state of Pennsylvania to sell me the house outright...

It is architectural beauty personified...
 
2012-10-03 03:51:43 PM
There's one of these stories every year. Apparently his homes, while architecturally significant, were built out of spit and toothpicks. They require colossal amounts of maintenance every year and most will continue to deteriorate no matter what is done to preserve them. I mean, look at this thing...it's built out of exposed cinder block.
 
2012-10-03 03:51:51 PM
Let them knock it down. The predatory developer may even walk away when they can't make a profit for no work. But going forward they could change the law in a way that puts the burden of cash on developers to do such a thing.
 
2012-10-03 03:52:29 PM
Millions of people are homeless, yet they want someone to spend probably millions on a house in the middle of the desert, the people haven't paid attention to for years, that most people won't see, much less go into??

Where the hell are the priorities??

If they like it so much, they can rebuild it in a more accessible place, cheaper.
 
2012-10-03 03:52:49 PM
They're lucky it hasn't fallen down on its own. FLW: beautiful architecture, faith-based engineering.
 
2012-10-03 03:53:00 PM

pappy1398: Bulldozing a Frank Lloyd Wright house is to architecture as a Darwin award recipient dying is to the gene pool.


Yay bulldozer!
 
2012-10-03 03:53:30 PM
Falling Water is an awesome vacation stop.
 
2012-10-03 03:53:41 PM

JackieRabbit: Developers are greedy, useless dicks. Whadyano? Around here, they'd throw up six McMansions in the same space the house occupied and they'd have the project completed in three months. Then they'd give it some absurd name like "Windermere Chase" and price them "from the high $600s".


And the houses are constructed like absolute shiat. A coworker bought a beautiful house, decent plot of land, good neighborhood. The house was about 5 years old when he bought it, and within two years of ownership, there wasn't an appliance that wasn't replaced, they had multiple infestations due to shoddy insulation and sealing, and multiple areas of flooding.

Thank you Ryan homes.
 
2012-10-03 03:54:53 PM
As an architect, all I can say is this:

Developers can be uncaring, petty beings.
 
2012-10-03 03:55:52 PM
It's from 1952. Who cares.

If you love it so much than raise some cash and buy it.
 
2012-10-03 03:56:02 PM
I've been in a number of Wright homes. Each and every one was drop dead amazing to look at. But, they were all not so great to live in.

That said, I'd give my left nut to experience the suffering of living in one.
 
2012-10-03 03:56:21 PM
It's a house. Nobody cared about preserving it before the developer bought it. The heirs who sold it obviously didn't care enough, because they sold it, and assumed that a "promise" would keep it from being torn down.

Whatever.
 
2012-10-03 03:56:31 PM
JackieRabbit

Developers are greedy, useless dicks. Whadyano? Around here, they'd throw up six McMansions in the same space the house occupied and they'd have the project completed in three months. Then they'd give it some absurd name like "Windermere Chase" and price them "from the high $600s".

Fark you, diaf.

If you want to save it so farking bad you buy it. Till then stfu.

// more moon-bat private property is 'evil' bullsh-t
 
2012-10-03 03:58:11 PM

born_yesterday: JackieRabbit: Developers are greedy, useless dicks. Whadyano? Around here, they'd throw up six McMansions in the same space the house occupied and they'd have the project completed in three months. Then they'd give it some absurd name like "Windermere Chase" and price them "from the high $600s".

And the houses are constructed like absolute shiat. A coworker bought a beautiful house, decent plot of land, good neighborhood. The house was about 5 years old when he bought it, and within two years of ownership, there wasn't an appliance that wasn't replaced, they had multiple infestations due to shoddy insulation and sealing, and multiple areas of flooding.

Thank you Ryan homes.


"Particleboard Palaces"

I'm familiar with NVR, the company that owns Ryan. They built a bunch of shiat homes on the Outer Banks of NC and got sued after they started falling down. The contractor I worked for at the time had a side business where we measured the moisture content of the wood frames. In some cases, the moisture measurements we took were so high they went off the dial. Crap wood had been used to start with (instead of the kiln-dried as specified) and then the siding wasn't applied properly so the ambient moisture was absorbed by the wood.
 
2012-10-03 03:59:19 PM
The cynicism on this site can be incredibly tiresome at times. Smarter than the room, no matter the subject.

/"that is who we are, dude"
//"welcome to Fark, dude"
 
2012-10-03 04:00:26 PM

Honest Bender: I just wanted to say that his falling water house is so beautiful inside and out that it causes me physical pain to be unable to own/live in it.


The house I live in was built by a student of Wright's. While not identical, it was heavily influenced by Falling Water. You can see lots of little elements from Wright's works in the place, really kind of cool.

/moving in november, house'll be on the market! :D
 
2012-10-03 04:00:28 PM
This is America. Not only can we learn nothing from history, it's no longer even taught.
 
2012-10-03 04:01:26 PM

BuckTurgidson: They're lucky it hasn't fallen down on its own. FLW: beautiful architecture, faith-based engineering.


Yup...FLW was one of those architects who wasn't going to let some Goddard engineer tell him how his designs should be constructed.

The only reason Falling Water is still standing is because of the extra rebar the engineers snuck in during construction, which Wright told them his design didn't need.
 
2012-10-03 04:01:30 PM

I_Love_Cheesecake: In retrospect, steps should have been taken long ago, by Wright's heirs and by city officials, to avoid all this.


Damn straight. What a crime it would be to lose this home. It's not the same as the Taleban blowing up the Bamiyan Buddha statutes, but it's just as infuriating and heartbreaking to those who love great art/architecture.


Fark, you had to bring up the Buddhas. I wanted to vomit when I saw that. I still feel a bit sick when hearing about this; it reminds me of living in Orlando, where they're only too happy to demolish historical or significant architecture if it means developers can squeeze in a few more Seven-11's and strip malls. It's abhorrent.
 
2012-10-03 04:02:43 PM
Seems to me that the crybabies had a perfect opportunity to do something about this... in June.

Also... you all fail for not mentioning this:

"Some damn tribe of withered old biatches doesn't want us to terminate that fleabag hotel house. All because Glenn Miller Frank Lloyd Wright and his band brother once took a shiat there."
 
2012-10-03 04:04:03 PM

Mr_H: Honest Bender: I just wanted to say that his falling water house is so beautiful inside and out that it causes me physical pain to be unable to own/live in it.

The house I live in was built by a student of Wright's. While not identical, it was heavily influenced by Falling Water. You can see lots of little elements from Wright's works in the place, really kind of cool.


Correcting myself: It was built by a student of Albert Dow, who in turn studied/worked with Wright.

/stupid work confusing my facts
//Dow House in Midland, MI is cool too
 
2012-10-03 04:04:41 PM

buckler: I_Love_Cheesecake: In retrospect, steps should have been taken long ago, by Wright's heirs and by city officials, to avoid all this.


Damn straight. What a crime it would be to lose this home. It's not the same as the Taleban blowing up the Bamiyan Buddha statutes, but it's just as infuriating and heartbreaking to those who love great art/architecture.

Fark, you had to bring up the Buddhas. I wanted to vomit when I saw that. I still feel a bit sick when hearing about this; it reminds me of living in Orlando, where they're only too happy to demolish historical or significant architecture if it means developers can squeeze in a few more Seven-11's and strip malls. It's abhorrent.


You had me right up until the end.
 
2012-10-03 04:07:23 PM

I_Love_Cheesecake: Damn straight. What a crime it would be to lose this home. It's not the same as the Taleban blowing up the Bamiyan Buddha statutes, but it's just as infuriating and heartbreaking to those who love great art/architecture.


Wait, I thought they were bulldozing a Frank Lloyd Wright house? What does that have to do with great architecture?
 
2012-10-03 04:07:27 PM

gilatrout: I've been in a number of Wright homes. Each and every one was drop dead amazing to look at. But, they were all not so great to live in.

That said, I'd give my left nut to experience the suffering of living in one.


True that. I don't care for Falling Water just from an overall aesthetic point of view, but I can see how amazing it is. Even the one in TFA is intriguing.

Also, y'know, skill. Unlike my ugly 1979 box of a house.
 
2012-10-03 04:07:37 PM

scanman61: BuckTurgidson: They're lucky it hasn't fallen down on its own. FLW: beautiful architecture, faith-based engineering.

Yup...FLW was one of those architects who wasn't going to let some Goddard engineer tell him how his designs should be constructed.

The only reason Falling Water is still standing is because of the extra rebar the engineers snuck in during construction, which Wright told them his design didn't need.


And *still* it sagged.

It's a beautiful house and his work is terrific, but FLW was a sociopath.

/A terrible urban planner too.
 
2012-10-03 04:08:37 PM
There's a very cool Wright house locally that's for sale.

FARK: Sales Price: $3,750,000
 
2012-10-03 04:08:57 PM
there is an entire school in New Mexico devoted to studying Frank Llyod Wright's designs.

how the hell they managed to miss a house he designed for his son, I don't know.
 
2012-10-03 04:09:06 PM

Boxcutta: There's one of these stories every year. Apparently his homes, while architecturally significant, were built out of spit and toothpicks. They require colossal amounts of maintenance every year and most will continue to deteriorate no matter what is done to preserve them. I mean, look at this thing...it's built out of exposed cinder block.


Yup. They are all pretty as art and completely impractical as actual buildings that people live in. Pretty much all of them are falling apart due to being very poorly engineered and built.
 
2012-10-03 04:10:17 PM
You get use to this living in Houston. No building is safe.
 
2012-10-03 04:10:22 PM

born_yesterday: And the houses are constructed like absolute shiat. A coworker bought a beautiful house, decent plot of land, good neighborhood. The house was about 5 years old when he bought it, and within two years of ownership, there wasn't an appliance that wasn't replaced, they had multiple infestations due to shoddy insulation and sealing, and multiple areas of flooding.

Thank you Ryan homes.


If the doorframes are all too low and the interiors designed without storage spaces, then they are the very model of FLW architecture.
 
2012-10-03 04:10:29 PM

born_yesterday: JackieRabbit: Developers are greedy, useless dicks. Whadyano? Around here, they'd throw up six McMansions in the same space the house occupied and they'd have the project completed in three months. Then they'd give it some absurd name like "Windermere Chase" and price them "from the high $600s".

And the houses are constructed like absolute shiat. A coworker bought a beautiful house, decent plot of land, good neighborhood. The house was about 5 years old when he bought it, and within two years of ownership, there wasn't an appliance that wasn't replaced, they had multiple infestations due to shoddy insulation and sealing, and multiple areas of flooding.

Thank you Ryan homes.


Exactly. They are just thrown together and these days thrown together by illegals who took $80K carpenter jobs "Americans don't want." My former boss bought one of them new. It sat on a whopping .2 acre lot. It was new, but within the first year he found that his house had been invaded by critters, because there was a 6 inch gap in some insulation board that was open to the crawlspace. Within six years, the roof had to be replaced and the foundation had severe cracks in several places. The house had to be piered in several places. Home warranty? Useless. And the developer and builder were long gone.
 
2012-10-03 04:11:09 PM
To those biatching about "developers":

If you didn't design, commission or contract your own home... please STFU.
 
2012-10-03 04:11:15 PM

peewinkle: Johnson and Johnson hired Wright to come to Racine, WI (where their world HQ is/was) and had him design a bunch of buildings, including a planetarium, office buildings and several houses on the north end of town. I knew a girl whose folks had bought one and got to attend a party there; you think the outsides look neat, get inside of one if you ever get a chance.

/yep, that's all about Racine has left
//that and Cocaine


Cool stuff on Google Earth, thx.
 
2012-10-03 04:12:22 PM

peewinkle: Johnson and Johnson hired Wright to come to Racine, WI (where their world HQ is/was)


S.C Johnson and Son's called -- they want their name, and location back.

Johnson & Johnson is not, nor has ever been in Racine...
 
2012-10-03 04:13:33 PM
to be fair the outside of the louvre could use a bulldozing. granted we should take somethings out of the louvre first. this place on the other hand...
 
2012-10-03 04:13:44 PM
I'll just leave this here.
cdn.pjmedia.com
 
2012-10-03 04:14:03 PM

born_yesterday: JackieRabbit: Developers are greedy, useless dicks. Whadyano? Around here, they'd throw up six McMansions in the same space the house occupied and they'd have the project completed in three months. Then they'd give it some absurd name like "Windermere Chase" and price them "from the high $600s".

And the houses are constructed like absolute shiat. A coworker bought a beautiful house, decent plot of land, good neighborhood. The house was about 5 years old when he bought it, and within two years of ownership, there wasn't an appliance that wasn't replaced, they had multiple infestations due to shoddy insulation and sealing, and multiple areas of flooding.

Thank you Ryan homes.


I don't think I'd build a house today without having the Amish on figurative speed dial and the GPS coordinates of old growth forest.
 
2012-10-03 04:14:15 PM

This text is now purple: If the doorframes are all too low and the interiors designed without storage spaces, then they are the very model of FLW architecture.


Hence the "sociopath" label. FLW wanted people to conform to his designs, not the other way around.

Which is, btw, why Kentuck Knob is so different from other Usonian homes -- Mrs. Hagan badgered him into much needed adjustments to the original design. Kitchen's still too small, though.
 
2012-10-03 04:14:51 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: To those biatching about "developers":

If you didn't design, commission or contract your own home... please STFU.


Why do you assume only "developers" have built every house in US history that wasn't commissioned by the current occupant?
 
2012-10-03 04:14:57 PM
When I think about voting for a Business Candidate, this type of crap comes to mind. Fark you and your almighty dollar. As you clutch your chest desperately gasping for your last breath the money you've made in this kind of deal won't do a damn thing for you.
 
2012-10-03 04:15:35 PM

taliesinwi: born_yesterday: JackieRabbit: Developers are greedy, useless dicks. Whadyano? Around here, they'd throw up six McMansions in the same space the house occupied and they'd have the project completed in three months. Then they'd give it some absurd name like "Windermere Chase" and price them "from the high $600s".

And the houses are constructed like absolute shiat. A coworker bought a beautiful house, decent plot of land, good neighborhood. The house was about 5 years old when he bought it, and within two years of ownership, there wasn't an appliance that wasn't replaced, they had multiple infestations due to shoddy insulation and sealing, and multiple areas of flooding.

Thank you Ryan homes.

I don't think I'd build a house today without having the Amish on figurative speed dial and the GPS coordinates of old growth forest.


That's exactly what my folks did. Mom designed it, and it's Amish built. Not sure about the Old Growth Forest wood tho..
 
2012-10-03 04:17:00 PM
Obviously a famous house is worth more than any house he could build on the site so this is to get the word out and hopefully gets a bidding war going.
 
2012-10-03 04:18:01 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: This text is now purple: If the doorframes are all too low and the interiors designed without storage spaces, then they are the very model of FLW architecture.

Hence the "sociopath" label. FLW wanted people to conform to his designs, not the other way around.

Which is, btw, why Kentuck Knob is so different from other Usonian homes -- Mrs. Hagan badgered him into much needed adjustments to the original design. Kitchen's still too small, though.


You know who else wanted people to conform to his designs?

i.ytimg.com
 
2012-10-03 04:18:43 PM

Boxcutta: buckler: I_Love_Cheesecake: In retrospect, steps should have been taken long ago, by Wright's heirs and by city officials, to avoid all this.


Damn straight. What a crime it would be to lose this home. It's not the same as the Taleban blowing up the Bamiyan Buddha statutes, but it's just as infuriating and heartbreaking to those who love great art/architecture.

Fark, you had to bring up the Buddhas. I wanted to vomit when I saw that. I still feel a bit sick when hearing about this; it reminds me of living in Orlando, where they're only too happy to demolish historical or significant architecture if it means developers can squeeze in a few more Seven-11's and strip malls. It's abhorrent.

You had me right up until the end.


Well, sure. It's all gone now.
 
2012-10-03 04:19:04 PM
I'm surprised it's still standing
 
2012-10-03 04:21:53 PM

MBooda: I'll just leave this here.
[cdn.pjmedia.com image 400x500]


Oh, no you don't. You pick it back up this instant and take it back to Fox Nation where you found it.
 
2012-10-03 04:22:36 PM

Honest Bender: I just wanted to say that his falling water house is so beautiful inside and out that it causes me physical pain to be unable to own/live in it.


I heard it was real musty inside from the moldy air.
 
2012-10-03 04:24:44 PM
If only there were some sort of economic and social ideal that would allow people to purchase and own and protect buildings that are important to them. Something that would allow them to exchange value for property, thereby making something they desire privately their own. We could call it "private property rights" or something. Think something like that would allow Wright fans to protect this house?
 
2012-10-03 04:24:47 PM

davidphogan: Pray 4 Mojo: To those biatching about "developers":

If you didn't design, commission or contract your own home... please STFU.

Why do you assume only "developers" have built every house in US history that wasn't commissioned by the current occupant?


I don't assume that. Simply playing the percentages... which are staggering.
 
2012-10-03 04:29:34 PM

AFKobel: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Who gives a shiat? It's an old house that some guy who invented flying once lived in. Big whoop

A dude named Orville Wright,
Told his bro lets invent flight,
So Wilbur said "a'ight",
Write it down muthafarkas


Last line doesn't rhyme for shiat.
/don't understand modern poetry.
 
2012-10-03 04:31:44 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: scanman61: BuckTurgidson: They're lucky it hasn't fallen down on its own. FLW: beautiful architecture, faith-based engineering.

Yup...FLW was one of those architects who wasn't going to let some Goddard engineer tell him how his designs should be constructed.

The only reason Falling Water is still standing is because of the extra rebar the engineers snuck in during construction, which Wright told them his design didn't need.

And *still* it sagged.


I seem to recall hearing it sagged _more_ because of the extra weight of the "unnecessary" rebar. So who knows.

 
2012-10-03 04:32:03 PM

OldManDownDRoad: Honest Bender: I just wanted to say that his falling water house is so beautiful inside and out that it causes me physical pain to be unable to own/live in it.

Heh - I know one of the WPC board members for the house. He has two things to say to people who want to live there:

1. No closets
2. Rising damp


Isn't it also falling apart? And doesn't it have ceilings that are only fit for a hobbit?
 
2012-10-03 04:35:02 PM
"Developers, developers, developers, developers."

- Steve Ballmer
 
2012-10-03 04:35:09 PM

loki see loki do: AFKobel: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Who gives a shiat? It's an old house that some guy who invented flying once lived in. Big whoop

A dude named Orville Wright,
Told his bro lets invent flight,
So Wilbur said "a'ight",
Write it down muthafarkas

Last line doesn't rhyme for shiat.
/don't understand modern poetry.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeKkjACNPSc
 
2012-10-03 04:36:38 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: To those biatching about "developers":

If you didn't design, commission or contract your own home... please STFU.


What the hell is that supposed to mean? For example, my uncle not only designed, commissioned, and contracted his own home, he BUILT the entire damn thing--a 1600-foot log cabin--by himself, save for the electrical wiring. I guess he's allowed to biatch about developers even more than you!
 
2012-10-03 04:37:14 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: This text is now purple: If the doorframes are all too low and the interiors designed without storage spaces, then they are the very model of FLW architecture.

Hence the "sociopath" label. FLW wanted people to conform to his designs, not the other way around.

Which is, btw, why Kentuck Knob is so different from other Usonian homes -- Mrs. Hagan badgered him into much needed adjustments to the original design. Kitchen's still too small, though.


I forget where I heard this anecdote, but:

After finishing a house, the owners invited FLW over for dinner. When he arrived he presented the owners with a vase that he thought belonged in the house, and the owners graciously accepted it. Several days later they received a bill for the vase.
 
2012-10-03 04:37:32 PM
The world will still chug along without a footnote-tier work by a pop-art tier architect.

And if you don't like it, buy it yourself.
 
2012-10-03 04:37:49 PM

brap:
 
Did monkey-face Jesus painting restoration teach us NOTHING?


It did. Restoration has begun.

i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-03 04:41:11 PM
Finally.
That farking eyesore.
If only they could do the same for "falling water"

Over rated architecture is overrated.
 
2012-10-03 04:41:14 PM

taliesinwi: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: scanman61: BuckTurgidson: They're lucky it hasn't fallen down on its own. FLW: beautiful architecture, faith-based engineering.

Yup...FLW was one of those architects who wasn't going to let some Goddard engineer tell him how his designs should be constructed.

The only reason Falling Water is still standing is because of the extra rebar the engineers snuck in during construction, which Wright told them his design didn't need.

And *still* it sagged.


I seem to recall hearing it sagged _more_ because of the extra weight of the "unnecessary" rebar. So who knows.


It sagged, but didn't collapse. FLW's original design would have failed in spectacular fashion.

Terrific architect; rubbish engineer.
 
2012-10-03 04:41:56 PM
My dad was a big fan of FLW, and designed the house I grew up in with Falling Water in mind. It had a cantilevered wraparound deck, and was really quite striking. Unfortunately, the wood gets old, and after 40 years it sagged so much that I had to design a replacement railing for my mom, who's still there, that didn't cantilever. So now it's a more generic wrought-iron rail, but at least it won't fall down.

/csb
/I hate myself for doing it every time I see it, even though there was no choice
 
2012-10-03 04:44:05 PM
JackieRabbit

Developers are greedy, useless dicks. Whadyano? Around here, they'd throw up six McMansions in the same space the house occupied and they'd have the project completed in three months. Then they'd give it some absurd name like "Windermere Chase" and price them "from the high $600s".

Annnnnnd people buy the POS.
 
2012-10-03 04:48:08 PM

wambu: There's a very cool Wright house locally that's for sale.

FARK: Sales Price: $3,750,000


Dude that's not where I live.
 
2012-10-03 04:49:58 PM

manimal2878: Isn't it also falling apart? And doesn't it have ceilings that are only fit for a hobbit?


It was jokingly called rising mildew, designed as a vacation home for someone who wanted to force people out of their rooms and into nature or the main rooms. Hence the small ceilings and small bedrooms.

It fully achieves it's intended purpose
 
2012-10-03 04:50:03 PM
Kentuck Knob in the fall has the most beautiful view I've ever seen. In South Louisiana we don't get fall colors, what does dye mostly just turns brown. The view of that valley looked like something I'd only seen in textbooks that described fall. Unbelievable. The house was nice, too.

F the developers in their ear. They want to ruin a landmark so they can pocket $400k instead of $200k for doing very little.
 
2012-10-03 04:51:31 PM
I'm touring Taliesin (Spring Grove, not West) this weekend, so I'm getting a kick.
 
2012-10-03 04:51:42 PM

FeFiFoFark: I'm surprised it's still standing


I'm sure the roof leaks. But hey, it's in Arizona.

It's actually a pretty sharp looking design at least from some of the pictures in the article. Reminds me a little of a Predock house I toured in Dallas once. Which makes me wonder if Predock studied this house during his time in the southwest.
 
2012-10-03 04:52:22 PM

The Third Man: Pray 4 Mojo: To those biatching about "developers":

If you didn't design, commission or contract your own home... please STFU.

What the hell is that supposed to mean? For example, my uncle not only designed, commissioned, and contracted his own home, he BUILT the entire damn thing--a 1600-foot log cabin--by himself, save for the electrical wiring. I guess he's allowed to biatch about developers even more than you!


It means that there are lots of Farkers crying about the evil and greedy "developers" while sitting in their apartment, condo, tract home or spec house that was built by a developer.

Developers simply provide a product to a willing market... biatching about them while being an active participant in that market makes one look rather silly.

Case in point... these guys aren't sitting in their bulldozers foaming at the mouth waiting to tear this house down because they're evil... they're serving the market. From what I see on Zillow, this property was priced below the comps in the area... and was sold twice in the last 3 years. Nobody wanted to live in it.

Knock it down, subdivide the lot... build a couple 4000sf custom homes... sell 'em for $1.5-2.5m each. Developer made some money and built two houses that people actually want live in.

What's wrong with that?
 
2012-10-03 04:54:44 PM
Whenever these stories pop up, its never about an owner who wants to say, rebuild another similiar home on the lot, or even extensively remodel what is there. No, its always a developer who wants to take a single family property and carve it into shoe boxes.

There isnt a single developer who has a soul.
 
2012-10-03 04:57:37 PM

Marcintosh: When I think about voting for a Business Candidate, this type of crap comes to mind. Fark you and your almighty dollar. As you clutch your chest desperately gasping for your last breath the money you've made in this kind of deal won't do a damn thing for you.


Does preserving a piece of architecture do something for you while you're clutching your chest and desperately gasping for your last breath?
 
2012-10-03 05:03:10 PM

JackieRabbit: born_yesterday: JackieRabbit:
Exactly. They are just thrown together and these days thrown together by illegals who took $80K carpenter jobs "Americans don't want." My former boss bought one of them new. It sat on a whopping .2 acre lot. It was new, but within the first year he found that his house had been invaded by critters, because there was a 6 inch gap in some insulation board that was open to the crawlspace. Within six years, the roof had to be replaced and the foundation had severe cracks in several places. The house had to be piered in several places. Home warranty? Useless. And the developer and builder were long gone.


I don't know a damn thing about Ryan Homes, so everything that people in this thread are claiming may be true. But as a builder wih 18 years experience, I'm inclinded to let you know that there is a certain portion of people/home buyers are full of shiat.

I don't know what it's like to build in a city that doesn't have inspectable building codes. Not sure if your aware, but there's all of this "new crazy science stuff" involved with new home construction! Most of is stupid... like geotechnical soil analysis, engineered post tension or pier and beam foundations, span charts for specific species of wood, siesmic zone bracing (wind straps etc). I know what your thinking... that's just a bunch of farking witchcraft. I know, I have a hard time making myself belive otherwise on a daily basis! But there maybe a shred of truth to it!

I guess my rant was directed at the point of your story about 'your boss bought one'. What's to say the he wasn't a total farkng slob? Or that the previous owner didn't maintain their home? What if that specific issue was caused by the previous owner? And what does it matter that the house sat on .2 acres???? it was his dumb ass that decided it would be a suitable home to live in! And as far as the "home was infested" bullshiat... he bought a used home. Where was his due dilligence? Did he pay for a 3rd party home inspection? Did he not have a licensed Realtor on either end of the contract?

People often do stupid things. And many of them will look for a scapegoat for their self inflicted problems.
 
2012-10-03 05:04:28 PM

raygundan: Marcintosh: When I think about voting for a Business Candidate, this type of crap comes to mind. Fark you and your almighty dollar. As you clutch your chest desperately gasping for your last breath the money you've made in this kind of deal won't do a damn thing for you.

Does preserving a piece of architecture do something for you while you're clutching your chest and desperately gasping for your last breath?


aside from knowing you contributed to the benefit of your fellow man? That you helped support the pursuit of fine art? That you tried to save a piece of work, not for yourself, but for others int he future to enjoy and appreciate?

Yeah, i'll take that. I think that would help me peacefully enjoy my last moments. At least better than knowing i owned fourteen TVs and six cars would.
 
2012-10-03 05:04:39 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: To those biatching about "developers":

If you didn't design, commission or contract your own home... please STFU.


Do you use the same reasoning for other purchases? Cars? Appliances? University educations?
 
2012-10-03 05:06:58 PM

Babboonrash: JackieRabbit: born_yesterday: JackieRabbit:
Exactly. They are just thrown together and these days thrown together by illegals who took $80K carpenter jobs "Americans don't want." My former boss bought one of them new. It sat on a whopping .2 acre lot. It was new, but within the first year he found that his house had been invaded by critters, because there was a 6 inch gap in some insulation board that was open to the crawlspace. Within six years, the roof had to be replaced and the foundation had severe cracks in several places. The house had to be piered in several places. Home warranty? Useless. And the developer and builder were long gone.

I don't know a damn thing about Ryan Homes, so everything that people in this thread are claiming may be true. But as a builder wih 18 years experience, I'm inclinded to let you know that there is a certain portion of people/home buyers are full of shiat.

I don't know what it's like to build in a city that doesn't have inspectable building codes. Not sure if your aware, but there's all of this "new crazy science stuff" involved with new home construction! Most of is stupid... like geotechnical soil analysis, engineered post tension or pier and beam foundations, span charts for specific species of wood, siesmic zone bracing (wind straps etc). I know what your thinking... that's just a bunch of farking witchcraft. I know, I have a hard time making myself belive otherwise on a daily basis! But there maybe a shred of truth to it!

I guess my rant was directed at the point of your story about 'your boss bought one'. What's to say the he wasn't a total farkng slob? Or that the previous owner didn't maintain their home? What if that specific issue was caused by the previous owner? And what does it matter that the house sat on .2 acres???? it was his dumb ass that decided it would be a suitable home to live in! And as far as the "home was infested" bullshiat... he bought a used home. Where was his due dilligence? Did he ...


try again.
 
2012-10-03 05:08:26 PM

whatshisname: Pray 4 Mojo: To those biatching about "developers":

If you didn't design, commission or contract your own home... please STFU.

Do you use the same reasoning for other purchases? Cars? Appliances? University educations?


The thing is, unlike a car, appliance, etc, its quite easy to have a custom home designed.
 
2012-10-03 05:08:49 PM
graphics8.nytimes.com

Looks more like Frank Lloyd Wrong (right?)
 
2012-10-03 05:11:48 PM

taliesinwi:

I don't think I'd build a house today without having the Amish on figurative speed dial and the GPS coordinates of old growth forest.


"Dem hombres in beards an' funny sombreros are taking our yobs!"
 
2012-10-03 05:11:53 PM

I'm saving my pennies for this one:

www.paconserve.org



/unfortunately it's built like shiat
 
2012-10-03 05:14:50 PM

whatshisname: Pray 4 Mojo: To those biatching about "developers":

If you didn't design, commission or contract your own home... please STFU.

Do you use the same reasoning for other purchases? Cars? Appliances? University educations?


For tangible products... absolutely. Watch:

For those of you biatching about...

... car companies, if you didn't design, commission, build or contract your own car... please STFU.
... appliance companies, If you didn't design, commission, build or contract your own appliances... please STFU.

The education thing is a little different, since it's not an actual "thing"... but the logic still follows.

If evil, soulless and greedy bastards are ruining your utopia by building things people want... don't buy them.
 
2012-10-03 05:16:26 PM
RTFA: blah blah blah views of orchards and such...
What views??? I didn't see 1 gotdammed window, so how does one "view" these beautiful orchards?
Just looked at first pic, too lazy to review anymore
 
2012-10-03 05:16:43 PM
Demolish an architectural masterpiece of major historical significance in order to build 2 McMansions. Yeah, makes sense.


When I become world emperor, my first order of business will be to demolish all McMansions.
 
2012-10-03 05:17:10 PM

LemSkroob: Babboonrash: JackieRabbit: born_yesterday: JackieRabbit:
Exactly. They are just thrown together and these days thrown together by illegals who took $80K carpenter jobs "Americans don't want." My former boss bought one of them new. It sat on a whopping .2 acre lot. It was new, but within the first year he found that his house had been invaded by critters, because there was a 6 inch gap in some insulation board that was open to the crawlspace. Within six years, the roof had to be replaced and the foundation had severe cracks in several places. The house had to be piered in several places. Home warranty? Useless. And the developer and builder were long gone.

I don't know a damn thing about Ryan Homes, so everything that people in this thread are claiming may be true. But as a builder wih 18 years experience, I'm inclinded to let you know that there is a certain portion of people/home buyers are full of shiat.

I don't know what it's like to build in a city that doesn't have inspectable building codes. Not sure if your aware, but there's all of this "new crazy science stuff" involved with new home construction! Most of is stupid... like geotechnical soil analysis, engineered post tension or pier and beam foundations, span charts for specific species of wood, siesmic zone bracing (wind straps etc). I know what your thinking... that's just a bunch of farking witchcraft. I know, I have a hard time making myself belive otherwise on a daily basis! But there maybe a shred of truth to it!

I guess my rant was directed at the point of your story about 'your boss bought one'. What's to say the he wasn't a total farkng slob? Or that the previous owner didn't maintain their home? What if that specific issue was caused by the previous owner? And what does it matter that the house sat on .2 acres???? it was his dumb ass that decided it would be a suitable home to live in! And as far as the "home was infested" bullshiat... he bought a used home. Where was his due dilligence? Did he ...


I see... I confused it with part of born_yesterday's post. I however, do not back away from the misinformed buyer theory.
 
2012-10-03 05:19:35 PM
i.imgur.com

Looks like just another lowlife hippie house to me.

I keed I keed.
 
2012-10-03 05:20:09 PM

LemSkroob: Whenever these stories pop up, its never about an owner who wants to say, rebuild another similiar home on the lot, or even extensively remodel what is there. No, its always a developer who wants to take a single family property and carve it into shoe boxes.

There isnt a single developer who has a soul.


Maybe your anger should be directed towards rising property values or stagnating wages, where families can only afford 1/x of the whole plot?
 
2012-10-03 05:25:09 PM

trippdogg: [graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x350]

Looks more like Frank Lloyd Wrong (right?)


Hell, let the taggers know where it is, and wait a couple years - it will look just like a Gehry.
 
2012-10-03 05:25:51 PM

CygnusDarius: As an architect, all I can say is this:

Developers can be uncaring, petty beings.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-03 05:26:27 PM

MyPenIsHuge: RTFA: blah blah blah views of orchards and such...
What views??? I didn't see 1 gotdammed window, so how does one "view" these beautiful orchards?
Just looked at first pic, too lazy to review anymore


Judging by the overhead images... the "orchards" are all on the neighbors property anyway. The FLW house sits on a giant square of dirt and sand.

Pretty.
 
2012-10-03 05:33:31 PM

Honest Bender: I just wanted to say that his falling water house is so beautiful inside and out that it causes me physical pain to be unable to own/live in it.


That's pretty cool. Not your pain, I mean... but that it affects you like that.

/FLW FTW.
 
2012-10-03 05:33:49 PM

SpectroBoy: I'm saving my pennies for this one:

[www.paconserve.org image 580x505]


/unfortunately it's built like shiat


I like the concept, but not the engineering

I can think of a few places off the frio where I would love a cantilevered structure overlooking the river
 
2012-10-03 05:35:42 PM
The house belongs to the developers. They have the right to tear it down if they want just as you have the right to tear down a house you own if you want. If someone else wants to save the house, let them make the developer an offer. There are enough wealthy people in Phoenix and Scottsdale they could put their money together and buy the house. Let them set up a non profit corporation to by and maintain the house. Then all the people who chip in can deduct their charitable contributions from their taxes.
 
2012-10-03 05:36:14 PM
Some of FLW architecture is beautiful.

As for the house in the article, go ahead and tear that ugly POS down.
 
2012-10-03 05:37:23 PM

Johnny Bananapeel: [i.imgur.com image 675x504]

Looks like just another lowlife hippie house to me.

I keed I keed.


Actually it looks as if it were a mansion in a favela.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-03 05:40:08 PM
If you want to save the house then chip in and buy it.

Problem solved.
 
2012-10-03 05:49:14 PM

trippdogg: Looks more like Frank Lloyd Wrong (right?)


That's the house !? It looks like something out of a bad 70's sci-fi movie.
 
2012-10-03 05:51:20 PM
It may be that the demolition threat is being used as leverage to drive up the price to be paid by preservationists. Having just bought the house for $1.8 million, Mr. Hoffman said 8081 Meridian is looking to clear $2.2 million from any sale, and has so far rejected a cash offer floated several weeks ago from an anonymous, out-of-state Wright lover. This prospective buyer promised a little over $2 million, according to the realtor representing him.

Pretty much explains the whole story here. Next time, RTFA, people.
 
2012-10-03 05:53:26 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: trippdogg: Looks more like Frank Lloyd Wrong (right?)

That's the house !? It looks like something out of a bad 70's sci-fi movie.


I'm thinking Planet of the Apes, myself. They should get some dudes in gorilla costumes to move in there.
 
2012-10-03 06:08:28 PM
There aren't hundreds of other houses around the country designed by Frank Lloyd Wright that are falling into disrepair because no one wants to buy them, so it's imperative this last remaining specimen be saved.
 
2012-10-03 06:27:18 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Who gives a shiat? It's an old house that some guy who invented flying once lived in. Big whoop


This.

Valiente: This is America. Not only can we learn nothing from history, it's no longer even taught.


Quit whining, Just because a building is "old' or "designed" by a "famous" person doesn't make it valuable or important.

Personally I use the following criteria: would people who lived during the time of construction have cared if it was torn down? If not, go ahead. if yes, keep it. Just imagine it this way: we demolish "modern" houses to make room for even more modern houses, yet we pay no attention to the "historical value" it might have 50 - 300 years from now. So if people back then didn't care about it, why should we? Just because it's old? That is a recipe for disaster as old buildings will only get older and harder to demolish to make room for more living space. Over here we have multiple old homesteads which used to belong to farmers back in the day. Preserving them all costs a lot of money and limits the amount of living space. Why not simply preserve 1 for posterity and demolish the rest? If you want people in the future to be able to view a farmhouse which is 300 years old in present day, why not expect them to travel a bit to see it? Just think about all the buildings we tear down daily just because they are "new" and unused or simply because they are in the way. In 300 years they would have incredible monumental value. Who are we to deny future generations this link to the past?

/Preserving anything and everything just because it is old is bullshiat
 
2012-10-03 06:28:45 PM

JackieRabbit: Developers are greedy, useless dicks. Whadyano? Around here, they'd throw up six McMansions in the same space the house occupied and they'd have the project completed in three months. Then they'd give it some absurd name like "Windermere Chase" and price them "from the high $600s".


Who's worse, the developer or the people who buy them?
 
2012-10-03 06:32:39 PM

SpectroBoy: I'm saving my pennies for this one:

[www.paconserve.org image 580x505]


/unfortunately it's built like shiat


Speaking of shiat. Isn't it true that FLW built toilets that require people to squat, thinking that it is healthier -- keeping the bowels in line?
 
2012-10-03 06:34:53 PM

Boxcutta: There's one of these stories every year. Apparently his homes, while architecturally significant, were built out of spit and toothpicks. They require colossal amounts of maintenance every year and most will continue to deteriorate no matter what is done to preserve them. I mean, look at this thing...it's built out of exposed cinder block.


This. FLW routinely fired engineers that tried to modify his designs so they wouldn't rot, fall apart, or in the case of Falling Bedroom, have part of the house break off and fall into the water. I've only been in two of his houses and both had nice areas and areas that were cramped, oddly shaped, had low ceilings or were otherwise unlivable. He was an architect with too much Art and not enough Tech.
 
2012-10-03 06:50:38 PM
Most of Wrights houses were stupid! They leaked when it rained, and were not easy to maintain. Wright was wrong!
 
2012-10-03 06:58:36 PM
Ugly house. Very cool carpet. Want.
 
2012-10-03 06:59:12 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: brap:
 
Did monkey-face Jesus painting restoration teach us NOTHING?

 
It did. Restoration has begun.
 
[i50.tinypic.com image 800x600]
 
 
 
LOVE IT!  A couple class it up Phoenix-style editions...
i253.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-03 07:04:29 PM
So, all I know is the name. I've heard of this "Frank Lloyd Wright" before. So do all his designs look like shiat like this?
 
2012-10-03 07:11:08 PM

ggecko: BFD. Ugly house. If you own the property, do what you want. No one even knew about this thing but now it must be "saved"???


jigger: Judging by the slide show, the thing is hideous. Almost an eyesore.


Philistines.
 
2012-10-03 07:12:55 PM

trippdogg: [graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x350]

Looks more like Frank Lloyd Wrong (right?)


It looks like a Flintstones house.
 
2012-10-03 07:20:51 PM
if i own it i do what i want with it

FLW was an idiot flat roofs leak boy
 
2012-10-03 07:22:46 PM

BuckTurgidson: They're lucky it hasn't fallen down on its own. FLW: beautiful architecture, faith-based engineering.


A big part of this is that Wright was always pushing the limits of the materials he used. To him the design outweighed the practicality. This is best exemplified in the Johnston Wax Building, that features glass tubing in the ceilings to let in natural light. It was (and still is) a beautiful effect, however they are prone to leaking. Likewise Falling Water has issues with the cantilevered balconies and HVAC due to the stream running through the house.

I'd be more critical of Wright if the flaws were the result of poor materials or he was designing a rectangular strip mall, but since he was always pushing the envelope I'll give him a pass.
 
2012-10-03 07:24:36 PM
There are three duplexes designed by FLW on the south side of Milwaukee. They are all right next to each other, and are the only duplexes he designed.
One of them has been covered in aluminum siding.

o_0
 
2012-10-03 07:34:22 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: flat roofs leak boy


That's a myth. When built correctly and maintained a flat roof should last a minimum of 30 years and never leak, and I've seen many last over 50 with no problems (I even know one that lasted 95 years). Repairs are also easier in most situations (providing you don't use a non-adhered material like EPDM). They also give you the option of a green roof, and rooftop patios.

Shingle roofs don't last as long, are more difficult to maintain and are more prone to premature failure. Initial cost is cheaper, but not in the long run.
 
2012-10-03 07:56:42 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: So, all I know is the name. I've heard of this "Frank Lloyd Wright" before. So do all his designs look like shiat like this?


Pretty much. But sometimes he goes out of his way and not only designs a gaudy house, but ruins a gorgeous waterfall in the process.
 
2012-10-03 08:10:57 PM
A few different points:

1. They seem like every other 'preservation' society: They want the house and control of the house but want someone else to pay for it all. Fark you. If you want it then YOU put up the cash or STFU & GTFO.

2. Why not split the difference here? Buy just the house and have it moved. It's been done to bridges and castles so should also work for a FLW house.

3. Wasn't there a Fark story about a year or so ago about a FLW house that needed about a million in repairs because the overhanging balcony (or whatever part it was) was in danger of crumbling and not being so overhanging anymore?

4. FLW buildings are like Italian women; pretty amazing when young.... but don't age too well.

5. There is no number five.
 
2012-10-03 08:16:09 PM
Are those the same people who blew up the Buddhist statues?

creepingsharia.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-03 08:27:03 PM
This happened out here in Portland. Some douchebag neuvo-riche purchased a piece of property an were going to bulldoze a FLW house to put up some POS mcmansion. Luckily someone stepped in and had the house moved to Oregon Garden. I hope the neuvo-riche douchebags like their mcmansion.
 
2012-10-03 09:05:24 PM
As an anonymous asshole on the internet, I think I can say with some authority that Frank Lloyd Wright is a talentless hack, and that I could design a better house.

Also, if I want to burn my Monets to keep warm, that's none of your business. World Heritage? P'shaw! This is America, and here we have a thing called property rights!
 
2012-10-03 09:08:28 PM

IronTom: Are those the same people who blew up the Buddhist statues?


No, they're the people who keep trying to tell you that Republicans are the same as the people who blew up the Bhuddist statues.
 
2012-10-03 09:11:46 PM
From what I have read, a FLW house was great to look at, but they aren't designed for actual people to live in. One example I vaguely remember reading is the owner complained that the design had a kitchen that was much too small to be useful and FLW though a hissy fit about it being art.

Is there an architecture fark expert that can correct me or provide more details?
 
2012-10-03 09:16:48 PM
A lot of Falling Water's problems come from the builder's inexperience with the unusual forms involved. The cantilevers are in rough shape because the builders stacked heavy bags of cement out there for convenience, seriously weakening the structure. It was in trouble before the owners ever moved in.

Second, it's tiny--roughly 1400 square feet. It doesn't really need AC; I was there in late July, and with the windows open it was pleasant.

Uphill is another house, for guests and staff, with a standard swimming pool. It's much more pedestrian.
 
2012-10-03 11:11:50 PM

OgreMagi: From what I have read, a FLW house was great to look at, but they aren't designed for actual people to live in. One example I vaguely remember reading is the owner complained that the design had a kitchen that was much too small to be useful and FLW though a hissy fit about it being art.

Is there an architecture fark expert that can correct me or provide more details?


There are a lot of concerns that people bring up today about what they see as shortcomings in his houses. Kitchens too small, ceilings too low, rooms too small, etc, but you are seeing today is through 21st century eyes. In the early 1900s, there were still a lot of people without indoor plumbing, let alone giant side-by-side fridges, King size beds, 52" plasma TVs, Central Air, and eight-piece bathrooms. A lot of furniture was built-in because most people didnt own more than a few basic pieces of furniture. Ceilings were low because thats less air volume you need to heat in the winter, and the large overhangs are to keep out the harsh summer sun.

The houses are liveable, albeit just so. Hosting dinner parties every sunday might be tough, but for a family to live, there was a sense of comfort and warmth to his homes.

If you really want to see what unlivable looks like, see what the Internationalists were doing at roughly the same time.
 
2012-10-04 12:18:31 AM

natazha: Boxcutta: There's one of these stories every year. Apparently his homes, while architecturally significant, were built out of spit and toothpicks. They require colossal amounts of maintenance every year and most will continue to deteriorate no matter what is done to preserve them. I mean, look at this thing...it's built out of exposed cinder block.

This. FLW routinely fired engineers that tried to modify his designs so they wouldn't rot, fall apart, or in the case of Falling Bedroom, have part of the house break off and fall into the water. I've only been in two of his houses and both had nice areas and areas that were cramped, oddly shaped, had low ceilings or were otherwise unlivable. He was an architect with too much Art and not enough Tech.


This is an impossibly ignorant statement. Wright singlehandedly developed many of the core technologies used in every aspect on building today, and engineered them as well. Functional engineering was the heart of his design and it's why he is so influential. People don't study him because he made weird looking houses, for god's sake. Open a book.
 
2012-10-04 12:22:09 AM

Mouser: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: trippdogg: Looks more like Frank Lloyd Wrong (right?)

That's the house !? It looks like something out of a bad 70's sci-fi movie.

I'm thinking Planet of the Apes, myself. They should get some dudes in gorilla costumes to move in there.


You have to remember this thing was designed in 1952. Take a look around at other houses built during that time - they look old in style. The cinder block looks kind of tacky, but the guy designed the houses out of materials that were affordable at the time. A lot of big bridge and freeway construction was going on at the time and concrete was affordable. He built custom homes, but wanted his designs to be affordable to the average guy. May look 70's, but it was 20 years ahead of it's time.

A lot of his homes seem to have a few things in common. They look cool on the outside and seem larger than they are on the inside, The bedroom ceilings are low since all most do is sleep there anyway; easier to heat and the low ceiling provided room above for great rooms or patios that people use when they are awake. The kitchens usually have high ceilings and are narrow, so that food smells travel up and you don't have to move around much to cook a meal. They didn't have central air back then so a lot of the design was to account for this. The living room was where most spend time and he designed with angles and arches and great views. The first time you walk through one of these things they look kind of odd - but there is a reason behind every square foot. There's no reason houses couldn't be built "like" this by the common guy out of materials that are common today. People must be happy with square boxes.

He seemed to build a lot of furniture into the walls. This didn't work well since people like to personalize with furniture. His couches sucked.
 
2012-10-04 12:34:02 AM

Mija: Ugly house. Very cool carpet. Want.


That's not carpet - it's built into the floor.
 
2012-10-04 12:55:00 AM
It's just an old house. Why care who built it or lived in it. Its just a farking house. I did some extensive work on a house in Charlotte NC. The homeowner had farking brochures at the door which he had to hand out to us tlling us that a former mayor of Charlotte and some Jewish civil rights activist from the 60's lived there. So farking what, we did not give a shiat. What was funny was the house (built around 1910) was built like shiat. Like most of them were. It's just an old house.
 
2012-10-04 02:07:03 AM
Arizona! The Florida of the west!
 
2012-10-04 02:12:26 AM

A Fark Handle: e fair the outside of the louvre could use a bulldozing. granted we sho


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2012-10-04 06:41:19 AM

LemSkroob: OgreMagi: From what I have read, a FLW house was great to look at, but they aren't designed for actual people to live in. One example I vaguely remember reading is the owner complained that the design had a kitchen that was much too small to be useful and FLW though a hissy fit about it being art.

Is there an architecture fark expert that can correct me or provide more details?

There are a lot of concerns that people bring up today about what they see as shortcomings in his houses. Kitchens too small, ceilings too low, rooms too small, etc, but you are seeing today is through 21st century eyes. In the early 1900s, there were still a lot of people without indoor plumbing, let alone giant side-by-side fridges, King size beds, 52" plasma TVs, Central Air, and eight-piece bathrooms. A lot of furniture was built-in because most people didnt own more than a few basic pieces of furniture. Ceilings were low because thats less air volume you need to heat in the winter, and the large overhangs are to keep out the harsh summer sun.

The houses are liveable, albeit just so. Hosting dinner parties every sunday might be tough, but for a family to live, there was a sense of comfort and warmth to his homes.

If you really want to see what unlivable looks like, see what the Internationalists were doing at roughly the same time.


I bet you could rebuild most of his original designs in a totally kickass way with modern technology, so that they wouldn't fall apart at all or require endless maintenance; in fact a replica of something like Falling Water today would probably be far cheaper to keep up. The magic of progress turns faith-based engineering into working!
 
2012-10-04 11:59:11 AM
I've never understood the Hero Worship some people have for FLW. He designed a hotel that survived an earthquake in Japan, good. He designed a leaky office building in Buffalo that got torn down, MEH. I've seen pictures of the chairs he designed for the Darwin Marin house and those look like they were designed for people coming out of Aushwitz, bad.
 
2012-10-04 12:17:12 PM

sharpie_69: peewinkle: Johnson and Johnson hired Wright to come to Racine, WI (where their world HQ is/was)

S.C Johnson and Son's called -- they want their name, and location back.

Johnson & Johnson is not, nor has ever been in Racine...


Um..... smoke more Bath Salts... if it weren't for J&J, they would have blown Racine off the map into the lake years ago.

Caledonia, to be technical, yes, but many of their offices are in Racine. That's like being from The South and calling out Hollywood from LA. Just not as glamorous. Well, Caledonia DOES have a shiat ton of FLW buildings...

Lemmie, guess, yer from Green Bay
 
2012-10-04 12:18:55 PM
Also, I was the guy SC Johnson's grandson hit when he smashed his Ferrari up at 3 Mile and Douglas....
 
2012-10-04 12:58:56 PM
Living in AZ I have seen first hand the state's general hatred for anything pre 1980s. Tucson and Phoenix seem to be in a race to destroy all older buildings. Recently Tucson torn down an entire neighborhood of older houses. The city stated they did it for "road widening". After the demo they install a stupid cactus garden and foot path that no one uses. Then they started their rampage thru midtown demolishing whole blocks of houses to build ugly multi story housing for the UofA. Soon Phoenix and Tucson will be nothing but strip malls, parking garages, and student housing.

We should just change the state moto to :If you're not a college student or rich GET OUT."
 
2012-10-04 01:16:56 PM

LV426: Living in AZ I have seen first hand the state's general hatred for anything pre 1980s. Tucson and Phoenix seem to be in a race to destroy all older buildings. Recently Tucson torn down an entire neighborhood of older houses. The city stated they did it for "road widening". After the demo they install a stupid cactus garden and foot path that no one uses. Then they started their rampage thru midtown demolishing whole blocks of houses to build ugly multi story housing for the UofA. Soon Phoenix and Tucson will be nothing but strip malls, parking garages, and student housing.


I'm a transplant to Phoenix and as it's been told to me, all of this is done due to pressure by Fulton, Ryan Homes, etc. The logic is that if there are no homes of quality construction or with unique features to compare to, you can't see the crap you're forced into buying.

It's a conspiracy theory, but I'll parrot it.
 
2012-10-04 01:22:26 PM

TenJed_77: A Fark Handle: e fair the outside of the louvre could use a bulldozing. granted we sho

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ok, i really just don't like the glass pyramid. the rest is a perfectly boringly old palace.
 
2012-10-04 02:24:31 PM

Boxcutta: MBooda: I'll just leave this here.
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Oh, no you don't. You pick it back up this instant and take it back to Fox Nation where you found it.


No, I stole the idea from somebody named Rand.

/but she probably also stole it from some committee
 
2012-10-05 01:42:41 AM

A Fark Handle: ok, i really just don't like the glass pyramid. the rest is a perfectly boringly old p


I get that,hate that farking thing.
 
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