DaCaptain19: Barfmaker: On Sunday, almost 200 people took to the streets of Chicago in an anti-violence rally

Impressive.

I live in Chicago - these rallies are a joke - a bunch of (mostly if not all black) church members and activists walking in a circle wearing signs that say "Don't Kill People" (essentially). The other thing they're doing here is campaigns against silence - you know, BE a snitch. Like the gang mentality is suddenly going to do a turnaround.

I'm sure that'll turn around some gang-banging blackie to a life of obedience.

There's only one thing that will work: Round up anyone in a gang (this will net you 95% blacks and 4.999% hispanics...0.001% whites), no matter how young, line them up against a wall and shoot them all down. Period. No matter whether they've picked up a gun or not. And do this immediately - no warning, no delays, no "due process" which is a joke anyway. Preemptively.

If I sound racist then I welcome all you dumb f*cks to come to Chi-town. Listen to the news and log the murders....99.9% black. F*ck "politically correct" - I call 'em by the numbers - my conclusions are 100% empirically based. The black communities are to be avoided - this would be your Englewood, your Humboldt Park, etc.

I'm not sure there exists anything such as a "black parent" - only "black breeders" - obvious by the behavior of their taint-stains they call children. Hell, if we took the guns and knives away, they'd probably be throwing feces at each other.

I equally despise the white trash that gets involved in this s*it, but....at least around here they're few and far between (in the news, at least).

Have I been gone that long that Humboldt Park is now considered a black hood? Was always hispanic when I lived in Chicago.

Secret Master of All Flatulence: PallMall: Now THAT, is what I'm talking about.

Well done, sir.

Why, thank you, sir.

I'm a perfectly law-abiding, rational human being. I'm also very good at portraying myself as being "Heavily Armed, Easily Bored, and Off My Medication." I used to have a crack house across the street from me. They never gave me any problems, because they knew if they did, my response would be...uhhh..."colorful". Something about them watching me carry uncased beltfeds in and out of the house on a weekly basis for my weekly range trips...

I would think that such behavior would encourage the stupid to try to break in when they think you're not around to steal some of that stuff.

DaCaptain19: I live in Chicago - these rallies are a joke - a bunch of (mostly if not all black) church members and activists walking in a circle wearing signs that say "Don't Kill People" (essentially). The other thing they're doing here is campaigns against silence - you know, BE a snitch. Like the gang mentality is suddenly going to do a turnaround.

I'm sure that'll turn around some gang-banging blackie to a life of obedience.

There's only one thing that will work: Round up anyone in a gang (this will net you 95% blacks and 4.999% hispanics...0.001% whites), no matter how young, line them up against a wall and shoot them all down. Period. No matter whether they've picked up a gun or not. And do this immediately - no warning, no delays, no "due process" which is a joke anyway. Preemptively.

If I sound racist then I welcome all you dumb f*cks to come to Chi-town. Listen to the news and log the murders....99.9% black. F*ck "politically correct" - I call 'em by the numbers - my conclusions are 100% empirically based. The black communities are to be avoided - this would be your Englewood, your Humboldt Park, etc.

I'm not sure there exists anything such as a "black parent" - only "black breeders" - obvious by the behavior of their taint-stains they call children. Hell, if we took the guns and knives away, they'd probably be throwing feces at each other.

I equally despise the white trash that gets involved in this s*it, but....at least around here they're few and far between (in the news, at least).

Secret Master of All Flatulence: PallMall: Now THAT, is what I'm talking about.

Well done, sir.

Why, thank you, sir.

I'm a perfectly law-abiding, rational human being. I'm also very good at portraying myself as being "Heavily Armed, Easily Bored, and Off My Medication." I used to have a crack house across the street from me. They never gave me any problems, because they knew if they did, my response would be...uhhh..."colorful". Something about them watching me carry uncased beltfeds in and out of the house on a weekly basis for my weekly range trips...

Nothing like the pants-shiattingly excited chatter of 1200 rounds per minute of 8mm Mauser to get peoples' attention!
I approve.

There was, is, and will be only one solution here, legalize victimless crime.

Build a wall around all the bad neighborhoods that is extremely high. Let everyone out and provide housing for them.

Anyone caught with an illegal gun or breaking other laws while using the gun gets put in the walled neighborhoods with a .45. We provide all the necessary supplies such as water, electricity, food, etc.

There will be no drug dealing outside the walls. If you are a drug fiend, you must go inside the wall to get your drugs. Drug users' will not be placed inside the walls but drug dealers will. Drug dealers get a .45 and bullet resistant vest. They only way to get out is to bring the head of somebody else with you. Any drug user who enters will be given an M4 and an option to bring back a head for a one month supply of drugs. There will be a limit of 12 per year.

Anybody committing felonies without the use of the firearm and not directly related to drugs will be placed in a normal prison. If the crime is related to drugs you will be placed in the neighborhoods, but with body armor and an M4. If you manage to stay alive for a year you can leave, or you can leave early with a head.

Gangs will have the opportunity to make money inside the neighborhoods, but can only purchase more ammunition and approved amenities.

Anybody caught escaping will have to run the gauntlet. There will be one long corridor with people 50 yards out on either side. Said ex-escapee will run down the middle. All shooters will have .45s. If a shooter manages to hit the runner, the shooter gets to leave. If the shooter manages to hit another shooter 100 yards away, that shooter gets to leave.

The gauntlet is also reserved for people who commit especially heinous gun related crimes such as mass shootings, killing children, etc. That person will be required to run the gauntlet when he first arrives. If he survives, he is given a .45, but cannot leave for a period of 30 years regardless of the number of heads he gets.

Money can be given to the people in the neighborhoods by family, but only under special rules. 10% will automatically go to the budget of the neighborhoods.

Huck Chaser: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Huck Chaser:
The people being killed in Chicago are, with very VERY few exceptions, gang members themselves, and therefore are probably armed already anyway.

Unfortunately, we don't keep gangmembers in very small geographic areas where only other gangmembers live. They operate in areas that have innocent civilians living there too. They should be able to defend themselves from the criminal scum.

You're absolutely right, of course. However, the scenario I always imagine is...

Two gang members are surrounded by a small crowd of civilians. The gang members pull guns and start firing at each other. You then have two options:

1) The civilians run for cover.
2) Some percentage of the civilians pull their own (legal) weapons.

The only way option 2 is better than 1 is if BOTH a) the civilian shooters are somehow magically able to instantly tell who the gang members are and who their fellow civilians are, and b) shoot the gang members with 100% accuracy.

The gang members are the ones whos pants are falling down and hold their guns sideways.

Huck Chaser:
The only way option 2 is better than 1 is if BOTH a) the civilian shooters are somehow magically able to instantly tell who the gang members are and who their fellow civilians are, and b) shoot the gang members with 100% accuracy.

Guns aren't magic wands. The recent police-involved shooting in NY confirms this. That being said: there's not a problem of too many guns in this country. The problem is that too many guns are in the wrong hands, and the decent people around them in this case are legally precluded from firearms ownership, regardless of recent Supreme Court decisions.

Dimensio: xynix: Chris Rock talks about gun control...

Mr. Rock is evidently unaware that ammunition is easily manufactured by private citizens.

Well, for some definition of "easily", I guess. The government could apply the same excessive tax on reloading components. You could probably get around an excessive tax on smokeless gunpowder by home-brewing some black powder and sticking with cartridges that were originally designed for black powder (like .38 Special or .45 Colt). But if the government got it in its head to tax the hell out of primers, I don't know too many people who can make their own.

LaughingRadish:
I would think that such behavior would encourage the stupid to try to break in when they think you're not around to steal some of that stuff.

Well, there were a few things that prevented that. First, they were home the day my gunsafes were delivered. The truck blocked the entire street, and they needed hydraulics to get them into the house. Secondly, they thought I was crazy enough to boobytrap the house. Thirdly, they knew that if something like that happened, not only would the local, State, and Federal cops be all over them, but both I and my wife would come for them, too. And honestly? I think they feared my wife more than they did me.

We should make crime illegal.

That will solve it. Just ban crime. Like we did with alcohol. We banned it, and now nobody even knows what alcohol is.

Start a fund for any remaining white people so they can have the financial wherewithal to move away from these neighborhoods.

Dimensio: OOGA BOOGA WHAARRRRRGARBLLLL!!!

*facepalm*

After reading your reply, I'm going to suggest that you're a massive, leaking douche-bag who obviously doesn't understand what I was referencing... on Fark.. where NOTHING is obscure.

Huck Chaser: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Huck Chaser:
The people being killed in Chicago are, with very VERY few exceptions, gang members themselves, and therefore are probably armed already anyway.

Unfortunately, we don't keep gangmembers in very small geographic areas where only other gangmembers live. They operate in areas that have innocent civilians living there too. They should be able to defend themselves from the criminal scum.

You're absolutely right, of course. However, the scenario I always imagine is...

Two gang members are surrounded by a small crowd of civilians. The gang members pull guns and start firing at each other. You then have two options:

1) The civilians run for cover.
2) Some percentage of the civilians pull their own (legal) weapons.

The only way option 2 is better than 1 is if BOTH a) the civilian shooters are somehow magically able to instantly tell who the gang members are and who their fellow civilians are, and b) shoot the gang members with 100% accuracy.

And in reality it's

A guy walks into a convenience store, points a gun at the cashier, and begins screaming about needing meth money.

A bystander with a concealed carry shoots and kills the meth addict.

Alternately, the cashier reaches under the counter and pulls out a shotgun and kills the meth head.

marsgwar: Build a wall around all the bad neighborhoods that is extremely high. Let everyone out and provide housing for them.

Anyone caught with an illegal gun or breaking other laws while using the gun gets put in the walled neighborhoods with a .45. We provide all the necessary supplies such as water, electricity, food, etc.

There will be no drug dealing outside the walls. If you are a drug fiend, you must go inside the wall to get your drugs. Drug users' will not be placed inside the walls but drug dealers will. Drug dealers get a .45 and bullet resistant vest. They only way to get out is to bring the head of somebody else with you. Any drug user who enters will be given an M4 and an option to bring back a head for a one month supply of drugs. There will be a limit of 12 per year.

Anybody committing felonies without the use of the firearm and not directly related to drugs will be placed in a normal prison. If the crime is related to drugs you will be placed in the neighborhoods, but with body armor and an M4. If you manage to stay alive for a year you can leave, or you can leave early with a head.

Gangs will have the opportunity to make money inside the neighborhoods, but can only purchase more ammunition and approved amenities.

Anybody caught escaping will have to run the gauntlet. There will be one long corridor with people 50 yards out on either side. Said ex-escapee will run down the middle. All shooters will have .45s. If a shooter manages to hit the runner, the shooter gets to leave. If the shooter manages to hit another shooter 100 yards away, that shooter gets to leave.

The gauntlet is also reserved for people who commit especially heinous gun related crimes such as mass shootings, killing children, etc. That person will be required to run the gauntlet when he first arrives. If he survives, he is given a .45, but cannot leave for a period of 30 years regardless of the number of heads he gets.

Money can be given to the people in the neighborhoods by family, but only under special rules. 10% will automatically go to the budget of the neighborhoods.

You typed that while you were supposed to be doing homework, didn't you?

Vectron: Start a fund for any remaining white people so they can have the financial wherewithal to move away from these neighborhoods.

LOL. Don't be a knave.

White people are rich.

Vectron: Tough one! How will white people solve this?

We're thinking about putting up a wall around the South Side. Kind of like the Berlin Wall. Shut out the blacks - they are the problem, not the solution.

/Chicago resident.

Have I been gone that long that Humboldt Park is now considered a black hood? Was always hispanic when I lived in Chicago.

No, he's crazy, I live 2 blocks from Humboldt Park and is it still mostly hispanic.

DaCaptain19: Vectron: Tough one! How will white people solve this?

We're thinking about putting up a wall around the South Side. Kind of like the Berlin Wall. Shut out the blacks - they are the problem, not the solution.

/Chicago resident.


I love Chicago but some of the youth made me nervous to be around.

DaCaptain19: Vectron: Tough one! How will white people solve this?

We're thinking about putting up a wall around the South Side. Kind of like the Berlin Wall. Shut out the blacks - they are the problem, not the solution.

Black people, in their entirety, are not the problem. White people, in their entirety, are not the problem. Ignorant, sociopathic, violent, criminal SOBs are the problem. Those types of people come in all different ethnicities.

REKnight: Huck Chaser: MoronLessOff: Pass concealed carry in IL.

Honest question: how would that help? The gang members have proven without a shadow of a doubt that they have no problem attacking, shooting, and killing other armed people (e.g. other gang members), so how would lawful citizens carrying guns change that?

Will this solve the Gang on Gang murders... nope... not really my problem to be honest.

What it WILL slow down quite a bit is the violence committed against the law abiding citizens that are in the downtown areas that are getting beaten and robbed for their iPhones or just for being at the wrong place at the wrong time... like Grant Park in broad daylight for example.

As most Chicago Cops will tell you: When seconds count the police are minutes away. Usually 30-45 minutes away due to understaffing.

Or the Red Line at...well, any f*ckin' time! The Red Line is so bad it's the one that gets the Guardian Angels.

cig-mkr: Get caught committing a violent crime with a gun? Cut off the trigger finger.

Immediate execution. China style - walk 'em out back and shoot them...then bill the breeder for the cost of the bullet.

Huck Chaser: I would rather hand over my wallet and phone than take a human life, so I don't support responding to robberies with deadly force anyway.

Good. You won't resist then when I slit your hypothetical throat because you could possibly identify me in a lineup.

/you gotta be smart to think like a dumbass

redmid17: Huck Chaser: MoronLessOff: Pass concealed carry in IL.

Honest question: how would that help? The gang members have proven without a shadow of a doubt that they have no problem attacking, shooting, and killing other armed people (e.g. other gang members), so how would lawful citizens carrying guns change that?

It probably wouldn't solve much. Most of the people who applied for and were granted a CCW probably wouldn't live in the areas affected. That said, I'd at least like to have the option to carry in IL, if not Chicago, and I don't even own a handgun. There's a reason 49 states have CCW laws on the books.

You do have an option. I'm a Chicagoan and I carry my S&W Shield .40 cal with me wherever I go. You don't have a LEGAL option, but f*ck that.

Secret Master of All Flatulence: DaCaptain19: Vectron: Tough one! How will white people solve this?

We're thinking about putting up a wall around the South Side. Kind of like the Berlin Wall. Shut out the blacks - they are the problem, not the solution.

Black people, in their entirety, are not the problem. White people, in their entirety, are not the problem. Ignorant, sociopathic, violent, criminal SOBs are the problem. Those types of people come in all different ethnicities.

You don't live in Chicago, do you? Nope, if you did you'd be thinking the same thing all us Chicagoans think but don't say.

hundreddollarman: /Criminals really don't care about gun control laws. And if they have a gun, I damn sure want a means to be able to shoot back.

Funny how many people say this, yet how often do you hear about some lone hero taking out the bad guys?

Oh... never? Hmm. And yet how often do you hear about some dumbass wannabe hero shooting himself, his spouse, etc? All the time? Yeah.

Maybe it's time to find a better excuse why guns should still be legal.

Huck Chaser: fluffy2097: And in reality it's

A guy walks into a convenience store, points a gun at the cashier, and begins screaming about needing meth money.

A bystander with a concealed carry shoots and kills the meth addict.

Alternately, the cashier reaches under the counter and pulls out a shotgun and kills the meth head.

We've been talking about murders. You described a robbery. The vast majority of murders in Chicago are gang-related, and thus don't fit your description of "reality."

But I'll ignore that for a moment and respond to you anyway. If people who would otherwise would use intimidation to commit a robbery (e.g. the meth addict from your scenario) start fearing that a bystander or the cashier might kill them, they may start killing those bystanders and cashiers preemptively, before they have a time to react, let alone fight back.

Beyond that, I would rather hand over my wallet and phone than take a human life, so I don't support responding to robberies with deadly force anyway.

"points a gun at the cashier" DOES NOT EQUAL "intimidation"

If you or anyone else points a gun at me, you or they mean to KILL ME.

Let me say that again: If you or anyone else points a gun at me, you or they mean to KILL ME.

To think otherwise is naivety of the highest order. You have every right to hand over your wallet and hope they don't pull the trigger.

You however DO NOT have a right to take away my opportunity to defend myself or my loved ones.

So lets review. You have a right to be a victim, you DO NOT have a right to make me a victim.

MrEricSir: hundreddollarman: /Criminals really don't care about gun control laws. And if they have a gun, I damn sure want a means to be able to shoot back.

Funny how many people say this, yet how often do you hear about some lone hero taking out the bad guys?

Oh... never? Hmm. And yet how often do you hear about some dumbass wannabe hero shooting himself, his spouse, etc? All the time? Yeah.

Maybe it's time to find a better excuse why guns should still be legal.

Incidents of successful defensive firearm usage aren't as interesting, news-wise - especially the ones where the "good guy" doesn't end up having to shoot anyone. There are plenty out there if you look, though.

REKnight: To think otherwise is naivety of the highest order. You have every right to hand over your wallet and hope they don't pull the trigger.

I haven't lived in Chicago for a while, but here in DC they just beat you to death...or at least bad enough to leave you as dead. Just happened again not long ago to a guy walking home from his neighborhood bar in Capital Hill. They caught the kids because they got nabbed for badly beating someone else that same night....after the guy handed over his wallet and phone.

Huck Chaser: Statistically speaking, that never happens, and I choose not to spend my life being afraid of boogie men.

That's why most people carry guns so they wont have to be afraid

a 15-year-old boy who was shot twice after he was the target of at least ten rounds

Imagine how many they could kill, if they did not hold the gun sideways.

Fark It: Timmy the Tumor: Yeah, because all of the 400 homicides so far this year involved guns--guns owned by registered owners.

"Wanting to reduce homicides" does not equal "gun control ideas" subs.

The city isn't asking for ideas to reduce homicides.

From their twitter page:

"PROBLEM: HOW DO WE GET ILLEGAL GUNS OFF CHICAGO STREETS?"

They're framing it as a gun control question.

That's not a gun control question. Gun control in American politics refer to restriction on lawful ownership of firearms.

"How do we get illegal guns off Chicago streets" is a crime fighting question.

DaCaptain19: There's only one thing that will work: Round up anyone in a gang (this will net you 95% blacks and 4.999% hispanics...0.001% whites), no matter how young, line them up against a wall and shoot them all down. Period. No matter whether they've picked up a gun or not. And do this immediately - no warning, no delays, no "due process" which is a joke anyway. Preemptively.

In other news, there are no Asian street gangs.

Huck Chaser: REKnight: "points a gun at the cashier" DOES NOT EQUAL "intimidation"

If you or anyone else points a gun at me, you or they mean to KILL ME.

Let me say that again: If you or anyone else points a gun at me, you or they mean to KILL ME.

To think otherwise is naivety of the highest order. You have every right to hand over your wallet and hope they don't pull the trigger.

You however DO NOT have a right to take away my opportunity to defend myself or my loved ones.

So lets review. You have a right to be a victim, you DO NOT have a right to make me a victim.

This is a very intelligent and compelling argument (I hope that doesn't sound like sarcasm, because it's not), but I'm afraid that I still disagree with you, and I know you're not going to like my rebuttal because it mostly comes down to philosophy. I understand the benefits of being armed (defending myself if directly threatened with a deadly weapon), but I also understand the risks (suicide, accidents, crimes of passion, overzealous vigilantes), and I believe the risks outweigh the benefits.

/leaving work now, but I'll check this thread tomorrow morning

I am certain, then, that you will be able to demonstrate that suicide, negligent discharges, "crimes of passion" and "overzealous vigilantes" increase substantially when civilians are permitted, through at least a "shall-issue" based concealed weapons permit system, to carry firearms in public.

Huck Chaser: Fark It: That's your choice, you don't get to make that for other people.You're right, but I do get to vote for people who do get to make that choice.

You are indeed free to vote for tyrants who advocate safe working environments for violent criminals and who advocate requiring victims of violent crime to submit to their attackers.

smitty04: a 15-year-old boy who was shot twice after he was the target of at least ten rounds

Imagine how many they could kill, if they did not hold the gun sideways.
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Reminds me of what will happen if you take their guns away...



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Huck Chaser: Exactly - they were afraid to begin with. I'm not.

Then why are you afraid of law abiding citizens carrying tools to defend themselves?

Huck Chaser: Virtue: Huck Chaser: Statistically speaking, that never happens, and I choose not to spend my life being afraid of boogie men.

That's why most people carry guns so they wont have to be afraid

Exactly - they were afraid to begin with. I'm not.

Fark It: That's your choice, you don't get to make that for other people.

You're right, but I do get to vote for people who do get to make that choice.

And you are exactly one of the reasons we have these problems. You keep electing the same asshats who think like you do and do nothing except roll over and take it up the ass.