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2012-10-03 05:35:35 PM
Oh... I don't know... how about:

1. Cutting the number of Aldercreatures in half (Chicago's city council)
2. Cut the budget of the remaining Aldercreatures in half.
3. Fire all the meri-clout-oriously promoted bosses in the CPD.
4. Hire a few hundred more cops with the money saved and buy the needed equipment to keep them safe.
5. Profit?

I know... crazy... one can dream though right?
 
2012-10-03 05:37:23 PM

natas6.0: PallMall
Execute gang members.

Are the cops in Chicago so corrupt that they forgot to be regular-corrupt and do things like take hoods down a dark alley and shoot them in the face?

Other countries do it. if you get returned to them (deported whatever) with gang tats and such...you die.

My ICE pal swears he heard the gunshot after they dropped off a repeated violent offender in his own country.
the guy had been sobbing as they took him off the plane.

why can't we do that here?
It's not like they're gonna go straight and cure cancer or anything


That's what I'm talking about!

It's apparently a war-zone. Send in some National Guard troops with heavy artillery. Start kicking doors and shooting the resistance. If they don't come out, squirt a few hellfire missiles into their bunker.
 
2012-10-03 05:37:41 PM

Egalitarian: quit prosecuting old ladies for having guns just for protection?

(parenthetical CSS - a coworker who quit his job and became a cop, told us about a suckful experience where an old lady was arrested for having a gun, which she kept for protection rather than random shootouts. She had taken in a young relation, but tried to discipline him, whereupon he ratted her out to the cops for said gun. Cops knew that taking her to jail was stupid and unjust, but the law is what it is.)


How about this exchange. It's basically former mayor Daley taking his ball and going home because "fark you guys."

Still, another reporter asked: If the senior citizen had followed the handgun ban, isn't it possible he would be dead right now? That's what his family is saying.

"What I'm just saying: access to guns," the mayor said. "You're more likely to get killed by someone walking down the street with a gun. Access to guns."

But what about the senior citizen, Daley was asked-will he be charged with violating the ban?

"I don't know," the mayor said. "Thank you very much."

He grabbed his papers from the podium and walked out of the room.


Link
 
2012-10-03 05:38:00 PM
@WhatIfChicago used both hands. #2ndAmendmentProblems
 
2012-10-03 05:38:23 PM

PallMall: Duke_leto_Atredes: 24. Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

25. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with at least ".40." (don't want anyone thinking .380 or 9mm fit the bill)

Exception: .357 Magnum - revolver - as a backup to your backup.

Also, you forgot to mention VOLUME (although you were almost there). This is where "pucker factor" comes in.. if you're sending hundreds of bullets downstream... your target (if you miss) will have already shiat him/herself and will be frozen behind the nearest form of cover.

/ that is all.


I've always had a thing for 10mm.
 
2012-10-03 05:39:21 PM
step 1. sterilize anyone receiving food stamps or subsidized housing
step 2. wait ~20 years

watch the crime rate drop to nearly 0
 
2012-10-03 05:40:06 PM

Huck Chaser: MoronLessOff: Pass concealed carry in IL.

Honest question: how would that help? The gang members have proven without a shadow of a doubt that they have no problem attacking, shooting, and killing other armed people (e.g. other gang members), so how would lawful citizens carrying guns change that?


It probably wouldn't solve much. Most of the people who applied for and were granted a CCW probably wouldn't live in the areas affected. That said, I'd at least like to have the option to carry in IL, if not Chicago, and I don't even own a handgun. There's a reason 49 states have CCW laws on the books.
 
2012-10-03 05:40:54 PM

Huck Chaser: MoronLessOff: Pass concealed carry in IL.

Honest question: how would that help? The gang members have proven without a shadow of a doubt that they have no problem attacking, shooting, and killing other armed people (e.g. other gang members), so how would lawful citizens carrying guns change that?


That's the problem. It's like they think they are immune from bullets. I read where the cops corner some piece of shiat and have him surrounded, yet he goes down in a hail of gunfire. Like others have said, start exterminating the farkers on the spot when found and leave them lay there. No if, ands or buts about it.. The politicians don't give a rat's ass and just come up with the occasional "Operation Get Down Tonight" and arrest a few, turn them loose a few hours later or like they sometimes do, have a "Summit".
 
2012-10-03 05:41:14 PM

serial_crusher: Timmy the Tumor: Yeah, because all of the 400 homicides so far this year involved guns--guns owned by registered owners.

"Wanting to reduce homicides" does not equal "gun control ideas" subs.

Yeah, but you can't get a good politics thread by saying things that are true and make sense.

They should just ban abortion. Perhaps the renewed value for human life and personal accountability will spread to other aspects of people's behavior as well.


Did you just make a case for trickle down morality?
 
2012-10-03 05:41:53 PM

LaughingRadish: I've always had a thing for 10mm.


10mm = 0.39"

ytrewq.com
 
2012-10-03 05:43:18 PM

Huck Chaser: MoronLessOff: Pass concealed carry in IL.

Honest question: how would that help? The gang members have proven without a shadow of a doubt that they have no problem attacking, shooting, and killing other armed people (e.g. other gang members), so how would lawful citizens carrying guns change that?


How would it make it worse? Certainly it hasn't been the experience in all the other states that allow some form of concealed carry that violence is worse when it's enacted. If you can't show that something would actually make the situation worse, why not allow it? In other words, err on the side of more freedom, not less.

BTW, Alan Gura is working on cases that touch on the "bear" part of "keep and bear", so Illinois may be forced to allow some kind of carry in the future.
 
2012-10-03 05:43:47 PM

Barfmaker: On Sunday, almost 200 people took to the streets of Chicago in an anti-violence rally

Impressive.


Yes, quite impressive! Why that's a whole less than 1 live person, who knew a dead person, that gave enough of a shiat to stop watching BET and put on shoes to go outside.
 
2012-10-03 05:45:30 PM

Barfmaker: On Sunday, almost 200 people took to the streets of Chicago in an anti-violence rally

Impressive.


Yes, quite impressive! Why that's a whole less than 1 live person, who knew a dead person, that gave enough of a shiat to stop watching BET and put on shoes to go outside.

Probably needed a pack of Newports anyway
 
2012-10-03 05:46:56 PM

PallMall: LaughingRadish: I've always had a thing for 10mm.

10mm = 0.39"

[ytrewq.com image 274x234]


Meh. My preferred weapon is a 76mm:

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-03 05:46:58 PM

Huck Chaser: MoronLessOff: Pass concealed carry in IL.

Honest question: how would that help? The gang members have proven without a shadow of a doubt that they have no problem attacking, shooting, and killing other armed people (e.g. other gang members), so how would lawful citizens carrying guns change that?


Will this solve the Gang on Gang murders... nope... not really my problem to be honest.

What it WILL slow down quite a bit is the violence committed against the law abiding citizens that are in the downtown areas that are getting beaten and robbed for their iPhones or just for being at the wrong place at the wrong time... like Grant Park in broad daylight for example.

As most Chicago Cops will tell you: When seconds count the police are minutes away. Usually 30-45 minutes away due to understaffing.
 
2012-10-03 05:48:19 PM

JRoo: Chicago probably just needs more guns because there aren't enough to keep everyone safe.

How about requiring everyone to have a gun and open carry it?


Because that does not work either. With the bonus of having average idiots being armed.
 
2012-10-03 05:48:33 PM

dittybopper: Huck Chaser: MoronLessOff: Pass concealed carry in IL.

Honest question: how would that help? The gang members have proven without a shadow of a doubt that they have no problem attacking, shooting, and killing other armed people (e.g. other gang members), so how would lawful citizens carrying guns change that?

How would it make it worse? Certainly it hasn't been the experience in all the other states that allow some form of concealed carry that violence is worse when it's enacted. If you can't show that something would actually make the situation worse, why not allow it? In other words, err on the side of more freedom, not less.

BTW, Alan Gura is working on cases that touch on the "bear" part of "keep and bear", so Illinois may be forced to allow some kind of carry in the future.


My point was just that it's an entirely different debate. Gang members killing gang members and lawful citizens owning and carrying guns really don't have anything to do with each other.
 
2012-10-03 05:48:44 PM

REKnight: Will this solve the Gang on Gang murders... nope... not really my problem to be honest.


Unless said murder involves a spray of bullets. Those things really don't care who they hit.
 
2012-10-03 05:49:26 PM

somemoron: Why would Chicago seek help from terrorists?


For the same reason their politicians hang out with them and go to their churches?
 
2012-10-03 05:50:25 PM
how about enforcing existing laws and not creating useless laws just to make the anti-second amendment people happy?

Or...if you're committing a crime with a hand gun, the cops must shoot to kill. Or if you are convicted of a crime that involved a hand gun there is a minimum sentence of no less than five years on a chain gang. Or, other methods that go after those who commit crimes with guns as opposed to treating everyone who owns a gun as a potential criminal who needs their guns taken away before they kill someone.
 
2012-10-03 05:50:39 PM
 
2012-10-03 05:52:30 PM
"PROBLEM: HOW DO WE GET ILLEGAL GUNS OFF CHICAGO STREETS?"

Pffft, that's easy. Just make them all legal. Then there are no illegal guns on the streets.

Oh, you mean violence? That's a totally different issue. More gun laws obviously isn't working, none of these are legal guns in the first place.
 
2012-10-03 05:53:00 PM

PallMall: LaughingRadish: I've always had a thing for 10mm.

10mm = 0.39"

["Close Enough" image]


10 mm *is* 0.39", but "10mm bullets" are either 0.400" or 0.401" in diameter, so you don't even have to round up.
 
2012-10-03 05:56:01 PM

Huck Chaser: MoronLessOff: Pass concealed carry in IL.

Honest question: how would that help? The gang members have proven without a shadow of a doubt that they have no problem attacking, shooting, and killing other armed people (e.g. other gang members), so how would lawful citizens carrying guns change that?


It'd give them an option other than "die in place with no chance to ever try to take your killer with you."
 
2012-10-03 05:58:01 PM

dittybopper: Meh. My preferred weapon is a 76mm:

[i46.tinypic.com image 640x480]


Well, make sure you bring extra shot. Don't want those Johnny Reb sons-a-bishes getting to you with those muskets!!
 
2012-10-03 05:58:54 PM

ScottRiqui: 10 mm *is* 0.39", but "10mm bullets" are either 0.400" or 0.401" in diameter, so you don't even have to round up.


ytrewq.com
 
2012-10-03 06:00:28 PM
I suppose it doesn't matter that this spike in gun violence comes *2 years after* Chicago's handgun ban was struck down by the supreme court?


/Chicagoan
//who doesn't own or want to own a gun
 
2012-10-03 06:02:04 PM
cdn.wegotthiscovered.com
 
2012-10-03 06:02:13 PM
Get caught committing a violent crime with a gun? Cut off the trigger finger.
 
2012-10-03 06:02:15 PM

ProfessorOhki: REKnight: Will this solve the Gang on Gang murders... nope... not really my problem to be honest.

Unless said murder involves a spray of bullets. Those things really don't care who they hit.


True as far as it goes, but I don't go into the areas that these things happen in.

Unfortunately due to the understaffing of CPD these areas are expanding and the thugs are getting bolder in where they kill people. Just a few months back some thug killed another thug at one of the river crossings on UPPER Wacker Dr.

As mentioned by myself and others, concealed carry isn't going to solve this problem on it's own, but will allow those that are inclined to defend themselves and their loved ones should it come to it, why take that away from someone?
 
2012-10-03 06:02:17 PM

PallMall: Well, make sure you bring extra shot. Don't want those Johnny Reb sons-a-bishes getting to you with those muskets!!


What a properly dressed Southern Gentleman might bring to the fight:

i135.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-03 06:02:24 PM

jonny99: I suppose it doesn't matter that this spike in gun violence comes *2 years after* Chicago's handgun ban was struck down by the supreme court?


/Chicagoan
//who doesn't own or want to own a gun


Well, when they come for you, pray real hard... maybe Jesus will rain down fire and brimstone from the sky to smite them.
 
2012-10-03 06:03:21 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Huck Chaser: MoronLessOff: Pass concealed carry in IL.

Honest question: how would that help? The gang members have proven without a shadow of a doubt that they have no problem attacking, shooting, and killing other armed people (e.g. other gang members), so how would lawful citizens carrying guns change that?

It'd give them an option other than "die in place with no chance to ever try to take your killer with you."


The people being killed in Chicago are, with very VERY few exceptions, gang members themselves, and therefore are probably armed already anyway.
 
2012-10-03 06:04:32 PM

cig-mkr: Get caught committing a violent crime with a gun? Cut off the trigger finger.


OR NOT.

/we'd have to pay for welfare trigger fingers - what with their inability to feed themselves without them (or whatever BS gets put in to the welfare law)
 
2012-10-03 06:05:20 PM

jonny99: I suppose it doesn't matter that this spike in gun violence comes *2 years after* Chicago's handgun ban was struck down by the supreme court?


/Chicagoan
//who doesn't own or want to own a gun


For a "Chicagoan" you don't keep up do you? That's o.k., you can go walk the walk with Father Pfleger and his crowd.
 
2012-10-03 06:05:22 PM

Huck Chaser: MoronLessOff: Pass concealed carry in IL.

Honest question: how would that help? The gang members have proven without a shadow of a doubt that they have no problem attacking, shooting, and killing other armed people (e.g. other gang members), so how would lawful citizens carrying guns change that?


A subsequent failure of predictions of concealed weapons permit holders committing any statistically significant amount of violent crime may finally convince lawmakers that impeding legal firearm ownership is not a viable means to address violent crime and thus they may pursue measures of combating crime that are actually effective.
 
2012-10-03 06:05:29 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: PallMall: Well, make sure you bring extra shot. Don't want those Johnny Reb sons-a-bishes getting to you with those muskets!!

What a properly dressed Southern Gentleman might bring to the fight:

[i135.photobucket.com image 600x800]


Now THAT, is what I'm talking about.

Well done, sir.
 
2012-10-03 06:06:03 PM

Huck Chaser:
The people being killed in Chicago are, with very VERY few exceptions, gang members themselves, and therefore are probably armed already anyway.


Unfortunately, we don't keep gangmembers in very small geographic areas where only other gangmembers live. They operate in areas that have innocent civilians living there too. They should be able to defend themselves from the criminal scum.
 
2012-10-03 06:08:08 PM
"The city has gone wild. It's no longer just gang killing, it's random killing," Trotter told the AP.

So why not have nonlicensed conceal carry? Gun violence has always gone down when people are allowed to defend themselves with permits for concealed carry and some of the lowest murder rates in the nation have been in Vermont where concealed carry has been a second amendment right for decades. If people are being randomly shot then they should be allowed to shoot back. It will mean that all the democrats from Hizzoner Emanuel won't be able to use a CCW as political pay back like they've been doing there and NYC and many other democrat machine towns but it will save lives.
 
2012-10-03 06:09:30 PM

Dimensio: A subsequent failure of predictions of concealed weapons permit holders committing any statistically significant amount of violent crime may finally convince lawmakers that impeding legal firearm ownership is not a viable means to address violent crime and thus they may pursue measures of combating crime that are actually effective.


ytrewq.com
 
2012-10-03 06:09:37 PM

PallMall: Now THAT, is what I'm talking about.

Well done, sir.


Why, thank you, sir.

I'm a perfectly law-abiding, rational human being. I'm also very good at portraying myself as being "Heavily Armed, Easily Bored, and Off My Medication." I used to have a crack house across the street from me. They never gave me any problems, because they knew if they did, my response would be...uhhh..."colorful". Something about them watching me carry uncased beltfeds in and out of the house on a weekly basis for my weekly range trips...
 
2012-10-03 06:10:34 PM
Increase bullet prices? That's what they did to cigarettes to get people to stop smoking.
 
2012-10-03 06:11:10 PM
I'll take a shot at this...

How about we let the honest people own guns to protect themselves from the bad guys who already have them?
 
2012-10-03 06:12:25 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Why, thank you, sir.

I'm a perfectly law-abiding, rational human being. I'm also very good at portraying myself as being "Heavily Armed, Easily Bored, and Off My Medication." I used to have a crack house across the street from me. They never gave me any problems, because they knew if they did, my response would be...uhhh..."colorful". Something about them watching me carry uncased beltfeds in and out of the house on a weekly basis for my weekly range trips...


I think there should be one of you on every street.

You know.. just in case shiat hits the fan.
 
2012-10-03 06:12:30 PM

jonny99: I suppose it doesn't matter that this spike in gun violence comes *2 years after* Chicago's handgun ban was struck down by the supreme court?


Unless a statistically significant percentage of homicides were committed with use of a handgun purchased through legal means in the city of Chicago since the McDonald v. Chicago ruling, and unless an explanation is provided for similar rates of homicide in the years before the ruling, then no, the increase in "gun violence" is entirely irrelevant to the overturning of the city's Unconstitutional prohibition upon civilian firearm ownershp.
 
2012-10-03 06:12:44 PM
Well removing the projects and moving the intrenched gang members areound the city have contributed to the violence. Not sure how that is going to change any time soon.
 
2012-10-03 06:13:11 PM

xynix: Chris Rock talks about gun control...


Mr. Rock is evidently unaware that ammunition is easily manufactured by private citizens.
 
2012-10-03 06:13:28 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Huck Chaser:
The people being killed in Chicago are, with very VERY few exceptions, gang members themselves, and therefore are probably armed already anyway.

Unfortunately, we don't keep gangmembers in very small geographic areas where only other gangmembers live. They operate in areas that have innocent civilians living there too. They should be able to defend themselves from the criminal scum.


You're absolutely right, of course. However, the scenario I always imagine is...

Two gang members are surrounded by a small crowd of civilians. The gang members pull guns and start firing at each other. You then have two options:

1) The civilians run for cover.
2) Some percentage of the civilians pull their own (legal) weapons.

The only way option 2 is better than 1 is if BOTH a) the civilian shooters are somehow magically able to instantly tell who the gang members are and who their fellow civilians are, and b) shoot the gang members with 100% accuracy.
 
2012-10-03 06:16:16 PM

PallMall: Dimensio: A subsequent failure of predictions of concealed weapons permit holders committing any statistically significant amount of violent crime may finally convince lawmakers that impeding legal firearm ownership is not a viable means to address violent crime and thus they may pursue measures of combating crime that are actually effective.

[ytrewq.com image 480x360]


Are you suggesting that my stated hypothetical scenario is unlikely? What of the many vocal opponents of legal recognition of same-sex unions who altered their stance following the failure of any disaster resulting from such legal recognition in Canada and in certain states in the United States?

I am certain that opponents of such an expansion of liberty are entirely rational, and are simply misguided, and that they will be willing to acknowledge their error and alter their position when confronted with supporting data contrary to their beliefs, just like creationists.
 
2012-10-03 06:16:23 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: gun control means you hit what you shoot at and put it down for good.

1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.

2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.

3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.

4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough nor using cover correctly.

5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)

6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.

7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.

8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.

9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.

10. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME.

11. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

12. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

13. Have a plan.

14. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.

15. Use cover or concealment as much as possible. The visible target should be in FRONT of your gun.

16. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.

17. Don't drop your guard.

18. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.

19. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them).

20. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.

21. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

22. Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

23. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.

24. Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

25. ...


better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six.
 
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