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2012-10-03 11:38:58 AM  
https://twitter.com/WhatIfChicago
 
2012-10-03 12:03:54 PM  
On Sunday, almost 200 people took to the streets of Chicago in an anti-violence rally

Impressive.
 
2012-10-03 01:35:03 PM  
I remember Mayor Dinkins in NYC invited people to come to City Hall and suggest ideas on how to make the city less craptastic back in 1992 or so. I'm not sure if people showed up to City Hall, but they showed up to the polls in November '93.

But that might have been just because of a fat-free Frozen Yorurt scandal.
 
2012-10-03 01:38:38 PM  
Adam Levine @AdamLevine23

@WhatIfChicago led nation initiative in getting drugs federally regulated so there would be no black market to fund gangs? + Revenue as well


+1
 
2012-10-03 01:40:09 PM  
Yeah, because all of the 400 homicides so far this year involved guns--guns owned by registered owners.

"Wanting to reduce homicides" does not equal "gun control ideas" subs.
 
wee [TotalFark]
2012-10-03 01:50:10 PM  
Darn good thing guns are so hard to get in Illinois...
 
2012-10-03 02:52:02 PM  

Timmy the Tumor: Yeah, because all of the 400 homicides so far this year involved guns--guns owned by registered owners.

"Wanting to reduce homicides" does not equal "gun control ideas" subs.


Yeah, but you can't get a good politics thread by saying things that are true and make sense.

They should just ban abortion. Perhaps the renewed value for human life and personal accountability will spread to other aspects of people's behavior as well.
 
2012-10-03 03:51:51 PM  

Timmy the Tumor: Yeah, because all of the 400 homicides so far this year involved guns--guns owned by registered owners.

"Wanting to reduce homicides" does not equal "gun control ideas" subs.


The city isn't asking for ideas to reduce homicides.

From their twitter page:

"PROBLEM: HOW DO WE GET ILLEGAL GUNS OFF CHICAGO STREETS?"

They're framing it as a gun control question.
 
2012-10-03 04:11:48 PM  

Fark It: "PROBLEM: HOW DO WE GET ILLEGAL GUNS OFF CHICAGO STREETS?"


Why is the answer always "Make them more illegal"?

That keeps not working, and we keep doing it.

And no, I'm not suggesting everybody in Illinois go around with a Peacemaker strapped to their hip, but something isn't working when we can't even enforce the laws that already exist and some people's answer to that problem is to make new laws.
 
2012-10-03 04:15:07 PM  

Calmamity: Fark It: "PROBLEM: HOW DO WE GET ILLEGAL GUNS OFF CHICAGO STREETS?"

Why is the answer always "Make them more illegal"?

That keeps not working, and we keep doing it.

And no, I'm not suggesting everybody in Illinois go around with a Peacemaker strapped to their hip, but something isn't working when we can't even enforce the laws that already exist and some people's answer to that problem is to make new laws.


They have no answers. This is them punting and putting Chicago's problems with gang violence on the shoulders of the NRA, gun owners, etc.
 
2012-10-03 05:00:41 PM  

Barfmaker: On Sunday, almost 200 people took to the streets of Chicago in an anti-violence rally

Impressive.


Unfortunately, most of them got shot.
 
2012-10-03 05:02:52 PM  
What are the demographics of these people being shot? It seems to be all gang related.. Meaning that if they had knives they would still be killing each other just in less numbers as it's a more intimate way of killing someone.

Seems like it's war on drugs related rather than gun law related.
 
2012-10-03 05:04:00 PM  

Calmamity: Fark It: "PROBLEM: HOW DO WE GET ILLEGAL GUNS OFF CHICAGO STREETS?"

Why is the answer always "Make them more illegal"?

That keeps not working, and we keep doing it.

And no, I'm not suggesting everybody in Illinois go around with a Peacemaker strapped to their hip, but something isn't working when we can't even enforce the laws that already exist and some people's answer to that problem is to make new laws.


With the rare exception of a few big cities, gun regulations have been relaxing over the past 25 years
You can find an excellent visualization of that here.
 
2012-10-03 05:05:04 PM  
Solution: gun owners should be limited to 140 guns or fewer.
 
2012-10-03 05:08:24 PM  
OMFWTFBBQ #WhatIfChicago #handgun #bangbang #bleeding
 
2012-10-03 05:08:39 PM  
jesus left chicago and he headed down to new orleans
 
2012-10-03 05:08:51 PM  
Chicago probably just needs more guns because there aren't enough to keep everyone safe.

How about requiring everyone to have a gun and open carry it?
 
2012-10-03 05:09:36 PM  
gun violence is the symptom of the problem...war on drugs is the cause, take the profit motive out of organized crime and you end crime and gun violence,
 
2012-10-03 05:10:34 PM  
Why is escalating crime and gun control always used in the same sentence? Criminals committing crimes do not care if their guns are legal so long as the gun gets the job done. Please exercise common sense. Also, Illinois has astringent gun regulations already.
 
2012-10-03 05:10:41 PM  
fark... leave well enough alone. It's just the people on the south side exercising their right to population control. Why interfere?
 
2012-10-03 05:10:50 PM  

Fark It: "PROBLEM: HOW DO WE GET ILLEGAL GUNS OFF CHICAGO STREETS?"

They're framing it as a gun control question.


Remove all gun control laws. Problem as phrased - solved.
 
2012-10-03 05:14:02 PM  
Chicago is a great city full of peaceful black people.
 
2012-10-03 05:14:34 PM  

Calmamity: Fark It: "PROBLEM: HOW DO WE GET ILLEGAL GUNS OFF CHICAGO STREETS?"

Why is the answer always "Make them more illegal"?

That keeps not working, and we keep doing it.

And no, I'm not suggesting everybody in Illinois go around with a Peacemaker strapped to their hip, but something isn't working when we can't even enforce the laws that already exist and some people's answer to that problem is to make new laws.


Pass concealed carry in IL.
 
2012-10-03 05:14:46 PM  
gun control means you hit what you shoot at and put it down for good.

1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.

2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.

3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.

4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough nor using cover correctly.

5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)

6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.

7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.

8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.

9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.

10. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME.

11. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

12. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

13. Have a plan.

14. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.

15. Use cover or concealment as much as possible. The visible target should be in FRONT of your gun.

16. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.

17. Don't drop your guard.

18. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.

19. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them).

20. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.

21. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

22. Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

23. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.

24. Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

25. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a "4."
 
2012-10-03 05:15:04 PM  
In the Ghettooooo! data.whicdn.com
 
2012-10-03 05:15:37 PM  
@WhatIfChicago Detroit thanks you for taking the pressure off them.
 
2012-10-03 05:15:41 PM  

Ambitwistor: Solution: gun owners should be limited to 140 guns or fewer.


Look at the communist, whittling away my rights as a gun owner. MY RIGHTS DON'T HAVE CAPS COMMIE BOY.
 
2012-10-03 05:16:12 PM  
Execute gang members.

Are the cops in Chicago so corrupt that they forgot to be regular-corrupt and do things like take hoods down a dark alley and shoot them in the face?
 
2012-10-03 05:17:19 PM  
okay bullet is coming out now
 
2012-10-03 05:17:57 PM  

PallMall: Execute gang members.

Are the cops in Chicago so corrupt that they forgot to be regular-corrupt and do things like take hoods down a dark alley and shoot them in the face?


I could live with this.
 
2012-10-03 05:19:07 PM  
Relax arms and shoulders. Take a full breath, exhaling slowly while increasing pressure on the trigger...
 
2012-10-03 05:19:18 PM  
quit prosecuting old ladies for having guns just for protection?

(parenthetical CSS - a coworker who quit his job and became a cop, told us about a suckful experience where an old lady was arrested for having a gun, which she kept for protection rather than random shootouts. She had taken in a young relation, but tried to discipline him, whereupon he ratted her out to the cops for said gun. Cops knew that taking her to jail was stupid and unjust, but the law is what it is.)
 
2012-10-03 05:20:37 PM  
An armed society is a polite society.
 
2012-10-03 05:20:53 PM  

Duke_leto_Atredes: 24. Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

25. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with at least ".40."

(don't want anyone thinking .380 or 9mm fit the bill)

Exception: .357 Magnum - revolver - as a backup to your backup.

Also, you forgot to mention VOLUME (although you were almost there). This is where "pucker factor" comes in.. if you're sending hundreds of bullets downstream... your target (if you miss) will have already shiat him/herself and will be frozen behind the nearest form of cover.

/ that is all.
 
2012-10-03 05:21:04 PM  

MyPenIsHuge: Also, Illinois has astringent gun regulations already.


www.lolwut.com
 
2012-10-03 05:21:10 PM  
Start with a new mayor... One not so "corrupty"
 
2012-10-03 05:23:07 PM  

bim1154: I could live with this.


That's what I'm talking about. They already know what neighborhoods are bad... load up the neighborhood with cops and start a curfew. If any thugs are seen out after curfew, shoot them in the face!

The law abiding citizens will be obeying the curfew, so are less likely to be witnesses.

Rinse, repeat.
 
2012-10-03 05:23:44 PM  
"Gun control? It's the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters. I want you to have nothing. If I'm a bad guy, I'm always gonna have a gun..."


― Sammy "the Bull" Gravano
 
2012-10-03 05:24:03 PM  
Why would Chicago seek help from terrorists?
 
2012-10-03 05:24:47 PM  

Pockafrusta: Start with a new mayor... One not so "corrupty"


But the dickweeds of Chicago love electing corrupty mayors. It's a tradition.
 
2012-10-03 05:25:15 PM  
Why do they always think that by adding more laws to the crappy laws they already have will make it work?

I like how more ppl died with in the same week of the recent Batman Theatre shooting --- yet no one really gave a crap then.
 
2012-10-03 05:25:19 PM  

Duke_leto_Atredes: gun control means you hit what you shoot at and put it down for good.

1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.

2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.

3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.

4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough nor using cover correctly.

5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)

6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.

7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.

8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.

9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.

10. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME.

11. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

12. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

13. Have a plan.

14. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.

15. Use cover or concealment as much as possible. The visible target should be in FRONT of your gun.

16. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.

17. Don't drop your guard.

18. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.

19. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them).

20. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.

21. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

22. Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

23. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.

24. Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

25. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a "4."


Bravo!!
Bravo!!!
Well said.
 
2012-10-03 05:25:59 PM  
Or give cops tasers and claw hammers.

Step 1: Taser the thug
Step 2: Hit them in the head with the claw hammer
Step 3: Hit them in the mouth with the claw hammer
Step 4: Leave them in the gutter

Enough thugs see their hommies in the ditch with head trauma.. they'll decide that maybe being gangsta isn't very cool.
 
2012-10-03 05:26:51 PM  

Barfmaker: On Sunday, almost 200 people took to the streets of Chicago in an anti-violence rally

Impressive.


I live in Chicago - these rallies are a joke - a bunch of (mostly if not all black) church members and activists walking in a circle wearing signs that say "Don't Kill People" (essentially). The other thing they're doing here is campaigns against silence - you know, BE a snitch. Like the gang mentality is suddenly going to do a turnaround.

I'm sure that'll turn around some gang-banging blackie to a life of obedience.

There's only one thing that will work: Round up anyone in a gang (this will net you 95% blacks and 4.999% hispanics...0.001% whites), no matter how young, line them up against a wall and shoot them all down. Period. No matter whether they've picked up a gun or not. And do this immediately - no warning, no delays, no "due process" which is a joke anyway. Preemptively.

If I sound racist then I welcome all you dumb f*cks to come to Chi-town. Listen to the news and log the murders....99.9% black. F*ck "politically correct" - I call 'em by the numbers - my conclusions are 100% empirically based. The black communities are to be avoided - this would be your Englewood, your Humboldt Park, etc.

I'm not sure there exists anything such as a "black parent" - only "black breeders" - obvious by the behavior of their taint-stains they call children. Hell, if we took the guns and knives away, they'd probably be throwing feces at each other.

I equally despise the white trash that gets involved in this s*it, but....at least around here they're few and far between (in the news, at least).
 
2012-10-03 05:27:07 PM  
Tough one! How will white people solve this?
 
2012-10-03 05:29:26 PM  
userserve-ak.last.fm

Yo Dawg, I put a gun control law on your gun control laws so you can get killed by thugs with illegal guns while you're getting killed by thugs with illegal guns. 
 
2012-10-03 05:29:48 PM  

wee: Darn good thing guns are so hard to get in Illinois...


THIS. When I moved to IL (Chicago) it was a culture shock. Having lived in Kansas for 8 years prior, I had multiple firearms and had a conceal-carry card.

Which means nothing in IL, the ONLY state with no way to conceal-carry, you need a FOID card to even get a shotgun shell at Walmart...and yet hghest murder rate in the U.S.

Sh*t...at the very least allow the law-abiding citizens to carry. An armed society is a polite society.
 
2012-10-03 05:30:06 PM  

MoronLessOff: Pass concealed carry in IL.


Honest question: how would that help? The gang members have proven without a shadow of a doubt that they have no problem attacking, shooting, and killing other armed people (e.g. other gang members), so how would lawful citizens carrying guns change that?
 
2012-10-03 05:30:31 PM  

Vectron: Tough one! How will white people solve this?


We just move to the north side.
 
2012-10-03 05:34:29 PM  
PallMall
Execute gang members.

Are the cops in Chicago so corrupt that they forgot to be regular-corrupt and do things like take hoods down a dark alley and shoot them in the face?


Other countries do it. if you get returned to them (deported whatever) with gang tats and such...you die.

My ICE pal swears he heard the gunshot after they dropped off a repeated violent offender in his own country.
the guy had been sobbing as they took him off the plane.

why can't we do that here?
It's not like they're gonna go straight and cure cancer or anything
 
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