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2012-10-03 10:42:57 AM  
latimesblogs.latimes.com

Hellohellohello, indeed
 
2012-10-03 11:06:55 AM  

DanZero: [latimesblogs.latimes.com image 600x396]

Hellohellohello, indeed



and we're done here
 
2012-10-03 11:08:20 AM  
"Those Fees are Mines!!"

gawker.com
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-10-03 11:08:54 AM  
Haaaaaaaaaawt!
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-03 11:09:55 AM  
As a T-mobile customer, I was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo glad when the AT&T merger fell through....

my service is crummy enough as it is.
 
2012-10-03 11:11:28 AM  
I ahve both T-mobile and metro for different reasons and yet to figure out if this is good or bad. why the spiffy tag?
 
2012-10-03 11:11:48 AM  
1 2 Kalamazoo.

God I hate that commercial!
 
2012-10-03 11:13:17 AM  
Isn't Metro PCS a CDMA carrier and Tmobile GSM? how will this work? Is Tmobile just going to use their LTE service?
 
2012-10-03 11:14:48 AM  
Crap. I got Metro PCS because I owe T-Mobile a lot of money. Well, at least my service will hopefully get better.

/Metro PCS Service sucks.
//But hey, I got a 4G phone.
///LOOKATMENOWMOM!
 
2012-10-03 11:15:14 AM  
Oh she'll kill me one day or another. But she will remember forever that *I* caught her, and *I* held her prisoner. So there's my immortality, hey?
 
2012-10-03 11:17:12 AM  
How does this affect Sprint?
 
2012-10-03 11:20:03 AM  
what the hell is a metro pcs, is this a crappy phone?
 
2012-10-03 11:21:34 AM  

Carth: Isn't Metro PCS a CDMA carrier and Tmobile GSM? how will this work? Is Tmobile just going to use their LTE service?



Thats correct. As MPCS is a much smaller carrier I'd imagine they're going to convert over to GSM eventually. This merger won't be completed for a couple of years at least.

The VZW/Alltel merger is still ongoing (divestiture and movement/decommissioning of Alltel assets)
 
2012-10-03 11:29:20 AM  
The T-Mobile girl has a bangin' body, no doubt. But there's a reason why they seldom show her face in close-up, especially when she smiles. (Two words: dolphin teeth)
 
2012-10-03 11:29:21 AM  

Fano: Oh she'll kill me one day or another. But she will remember forever that *I* caught her, and *I* held her prisoner. So there's my immortality, hey?


You win random reference award of the day.
 
2012-10-03 11:32:18 AM  
does that mean tmobile will have regional again?? lol small timers
 
2012-10-03 11:38:44 AM  
Well gee, now I look like an idiot for posting Saturday that it wouldn't make sense for MetroPCS to merge with AT&T or T-Mobile.
Thanks for ruining my Fark cred, guys.
 
2012-10-03 11:44:46 AM  
I hope this only makes things better for Metro PCS customers. I've used them for the last 7 years or so and have never had any serious issues (outside of shiatty reception indoors). I prefer Metro over any of the other carriers because you don't pay for minutes or data, something that I think is utterly insane to pay for, it's like AOL pay by the hour internet. As long as T-Mobile doesn't start implementing minutes on talk or data, and they add a better selection of phones and more coverage then I think this could work out well for current Metro PCS subscribers
 
2012-10-03 12:00:42 PM  

Enormous-Schwanstucker: Carth: Isn't Metro PCS a CDMA carrier and Tmobile GSM? how will this work? Is Tmobile just going to use their LTE service?


Thats correct. As MPCS is a much smaller carrier I'd imagine they're going to convert over to GSM eventually. This merger won't be completed for a couple of years at least.

The VZW/Alltel merger is still ongoing (divestiture and movement/decommissioning of Alltel assets)


i just hope t-mobile doesn't ruin my metro pcs the way verizon ruined my alltel! i left verizon when my contract was up and went to metro. my coverage was only slightly better on verizon, but the customer service at verizon is horrendous! plus i'm getting much better service (unlimited calls, texts, web) for about the same price as my quite-limited verizon service
 
2012-10-03 12:08:26 PM  

bungle_jr: but the customer service at verizon is horrendous!


wat? JD power awards for the past forever disagree with you.. guess you couldn't figure out your bill lol
 
2012-10-03 12:09:25 PM  

Carth: Isn't Metro PCS a CDMA carrier and Tmobile GSM? how will this work? Is Tmobile just going to use their LTE service?


Hey geek boy, we'll let you know when it's time for you to do your little part of the lifting. Let us guys in Mergers & Acquisitions do the big thinking, when it's time for the petty details like making the IPV8 whatever hubswitch work, we'll get with you drones in IT. That's why I have a company car and you live in fear of some guy in Delhi having your job next month. If you don't like it educate yourself and get a real job. Same thing I said to that biatch at the diner who thinks 20% tips were outlined in the Magna Carta.
 
2012-10-03 12:15:58 PM  

tbhouston: bungle_jr: but the customer service at verizon is horrendous!

wat? JD power awards for the past forever disagree with you.. guess you couldn't figure out your bill lol


talking with people in verizon's customer service is all the proof i need. they were rude and generally sounded stupid everytime i had to talk with them (which was probably about 6 times in the 3 or so years we were with them post-Alltel). the folks at alltel were generally very nice and seemed to know what they were doing.

aren't jd power & associates awards pretty much a joke, like the oscars and the emmys & grammys?
 
2012-10-03 12:20:37 PM  

ZeroPly: Carth: Isn't Metro PCS a CDMA carrier and Tmobile GSM? how will this work? Is Tmobile just going to use their LTE service?

Hey geek boy, we'll let you know when it's time for you to do your little part of the lifting. Let us guys in Mergers & Acquisitions do the big thinking, when it's time for the petty details like making the IPV8 whatever hubswitch work, we'll get with you drones in IT. That's why I have a company car and you live in fear of some guy in Delhi having your job next month. If you don't like it educate yourself and get a real job. Same thing I said to that biatch at the diner who thinks 20% tips were outlined in the Magna Carta.


Brilliant!
 
2012-10-03 12:31:49 PM  
I doubt T-Mobile will ruin MetroPCS... what everyone who doesn't have them forgets about Metro is that the reason they're cheap is that there's no subsidy of the device. Want a top-end phone on Metro? Too fscking bad; they won't sell it to you because they don't want a $600 phone on their price list.

T-Mobile has plans that do the same thing at a similar price point, but since they're GSM you can just go get a Galaxy Nexus online. Most people are bad at math, though, and pay $20-30/mo more for 2 years to get $300 off a phone.
 
2012-10-03 12:35:27 PM  

saeufer82: I doubt T-Mobile will ruin MetroPCS... what everyone who doesn't have them forgets about Metro is that the reason they're cheap is that there's no subsidy of the device. Want a top-end phone on Metro? Too fscking bad; they won't sell it to you because they don't want a $600 phone on their price list.

T-Mobile has plans that do the same thing at a similar price point, but since they're GSM you can just go get a Galaxy Nexus online. Most people are bad at math, though, and pay $20-30/mo more for 2 years to get $300 off a phone.


yeah i seriously doubt t-mobile will ruin my metropcs. it would be against their best interest to foul up with metro has been working to build over the last several years

however, while metro may not have a $600 phone on their price list, they do indeed have a $450 phone...can't remember the model since i can't afford it, but it is a samsung 4g-lte
 
2012-10-03 12:48:42 PM  

saeufer82: I doubt T-Mobile will ruin MetroPCS... what everyone who doesn't have them forgets about Metro is that the reason they're cheap is that there's no subsidy of the device. Want a top-end phone on Metro? Too fscking bad; they won't sell it to you because they don't want a $600 phone on their price list.

T-Mobile has plans that do the same thing at a similar price point, but since they're GSM you can just go get a Galaxy Nexus online. Most people are bad at math, though, and pay $20-30/mo more for 2 years to get $300 off a phone.


They "have plans to do the same thing"? I'm on T-Mobile's month-to-month service as we speak. It's existed for years I believe. The first thing I think when I hear T-Mobile in the headlines anywhere is "please don't take away my plan, please don't take away my plan".

Their Monthly 4G thing is perfect for me, I pay $30 a month for unlimited data and texts (I don't use voice minutes, so I don't care I only get 100). In 3 months I'll already have paid off a Galaxy Nexus based on the savings over AT&T.
 
2012-10-03 12:50:37 PM  

Abner Doon: saeufer82: I doubt T-Mobile will ruin MetroPCS... what everyone who doesn't have them forgets about Metro is that the reason they're cheap is that there's no subsidy of the device. Want a top-end phone on Metro? Too fscking bad; they won't sell it to you because they don't want a $600 phone on their price list.

T-Mobile has plans that do the same thing at a similar price point, but since they're GSM you can just go get a Galaxy Nexus online. Most people are bad at math, though, and pay $20-30/mo more for 2 years to get $300 off a phone.

They "have plans to do the same thing"? I'm on T-Mobile's month-to-month service as we speak. It's existed for years I believe. The first thing I think when I hear T-Mobile in the headlines anywhere is "please don't take away my plan, please don't take away my plan".

Their Monthly 4G thing is perfect for me, I pay $30 a month for unlimited data and texts (I don't use voice minutes, so I don't care I only get 100). In 3 months I'll already have paid off a Galaxy Nexus based on the savings over AT&T.


Wow, sorry I blame lack of coffee, I totally misread your post...shiat.
 
2012-10-03 12:55:08 PM  

GendoIkari: I hope this only makes things better for Metro PCS customers. I've used them for the last 7 years or so and have never had any serious issues (outside of shiatty reception indoors). I prefer Metro over any of the other carriers because you don't pay for minutes or data, something that I think is utterly insane to pay for, it's like AOL pay by the hour internet. As long as T-Mobile doesn't start implementing minutes on talk or data, and they add a better selection of phones and more coverage then I think this could work out well for current Metro PCS subscribers


I hope so. I've been a very satisfied MetroPCS customer now for almost 12 years. My wife finally ditched T-Mobile for MetroPCS a few months ago. Grr...
 
2012-10-03 01:00:43 PM  
Isn't Metro PCS a CDMA carrier

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. Whoa. I can buy drugs from them?
 
2012-10-03 01:03:11 PM  

tbhouston: bungle_jr: but the customer service at verizon is horrendous!

wat? JD power awards for the past forever disagree with you.. guess you couldn't figure out your bill lol


Companies pay to use the J.D. Power logo in their commercials. Their "awards" are meaningless.

I've had all three of the major carriers.

Sprint - Started off ok but went to crap both in terms of reliability and customer service.

Verizon - Decent coverage but calling them was horrible. Always got someone who was hard to understand on the phone, they screwed up my billing when they tried to combine it with my FiOS billing (btw Verizon residential is great ... it really isn't hte same company as VZ wireless). Had insurance on a phone which they wouldn't honor for some BS reason when it got broken and then the icing on the cake was they decided they'd rather let me go to AT&T than to work out a deal where I could get a phone upgrade that I needed for work. (needed a smart phone but didn't have one)

AT&T - for all the crap they get I really haven't had any problems with them. Customer service has always solved my issues. My biggest complaint is their network sucks outside of cities and their stupid data tiers (but VZ has that too). I'm still on the "unlimited" data plan even though they squawk at contract time that I need to get off of it. (I've not had the throttling issue yet but I haven't gone over 4 GB either)
 
2012-10-03 01:44:11 PM  

cfreak: btw Verizon residential is great ... it really isn't hte same company as VZ wireless)


I hope you're joking...

I've been through a fair share of providers over the years, and and Verizon was the absolute worst. When you call their customer "service" you are forwarded to a several menu deep automated national call center where if you are lucky you might get an actual person on the line after being put on hold for 15-20minutes. Don't even try calling on the weekends; I called one Sunday to cancel my service and just set down my phone with it on speaker after 30 minutes on hold. After an hour I finally walked by and hit the end call button. And if you do get through, you better hope you are calling within normal business hours where you live. I tried calling them after work one day and was told by the person on the other end that they were not allowed to help me because it was after 5pm where I was and normal business hours were 8-5. They are without a doubt the absolute worst, least caring, worthless excuse for a telecom company in existence.
 
2012-10-03 02:15:24 PM  
Crappy prices (T-mobile) and crappy reception (Metro PCS) What could go right?
 
2012-10-03 02:17:17 PM  
I briefly sold MPCS. A lot of the phones are absolute garbage (it's quicker to list the models that aren't) and people think you're up to something when you try to talk them out of buying one that you know they're just going to come back and biatch about. But I loved loved loved taking Sprint customers who were angry at the Sprint store across the street. People would break contract and buy a phone that gets 1/3 of the voice coverage they're used to, just to see the 4G icon light up without having to drive 1.5 hours down the highway. Hopefully improvements will come with the merger.
 
2012-10-03 02:36:07 PM  

Fano: Oh she'll kill me one day or another. But she will remember forever that *I* caught her, and *I* held her prisoner. So there's my immortality, hey?


Favorited
 
2012-10-03 02:37:09 PM  
Sucky service + Sucky service = Seriously sucky service.

/Former customer of both.
//Worth the early termination fee to get away from T-Mobile
///Metro is even worse.
 
2012-10-03 02:50:23 PM  
If they merge, I got dibs on Carly.
 
2012-10-03 03:19:59 PM  

bungle_jr: Enormous-Schwanstucker: Carth: Isn't Metro PCS a CDMA carrier and Tmobile GSM? how will this work? Is Tmobile just going to use their LTE service?


Thats correct. As MPCS is a much smaller carrier I'd imagine they're going to convert over to GSM eventually. This merger won't be completed for a couple of years at least.

The VZW/Alltel merger is still ongoing (divestiture and movement/decommissioning of Alltel assets)

i just hope t-mobile doesn't ruin my metro pcs the way verizon ruined my alltel! i left verizon when my contract was up and went to metro. my coverage was only slightly better on verizon, but the customer service at verizon is horrendous! plus i'm getting much better service (unlimited calls, texts, web) for about the same price as my quite-limited verizon service


Well, considering all of them are customer's of mine I can say with certainty Alltel were the nicest bunch of folks to deal with and MPCS a close second, with Sprint almost tied. TMO is nervous and jittery all the and their cobbled together network just scares me but they do seem to care about the customers.

VZW is in a class all by itself and impossible to deal with.

Alltel bent over backwards to provide a robust network and they had preferred roaming with Sprint which was very nice. Alltel's forte was rural markets and while I despise VZW I understand why they scooped them up. The cost to venture into those markets was too expensive. When VZW took over Alltel the preferred roaming went bye bye so that would be some of the complaints i've heard about Sprint coverage.

I don't see TMO messing with MPCS right now. Maybe in a couple of years you'll see some changes but wait and see.
 
2012-10-03 04:35:26 PM  

grahambhg: Crappy prices (T-mobile) and crappy reception (Metro PCS) What could go right?


cheaper than Verizon and AT&T = crappy?

oh look, its fark math again.
 
2012-10-03 04:44:13 PM  
The article about "Metro PCS will not survive 2013" just went up this morning!
 
2012-10-03 07:16:24 PM  

beamishmango: Fano: Oh she'll kill me one day or another. But she will remember forever that *I* caught her, and *I* held her prisoner. So there's my immortality, hey?

Favorited


Me too.
 
2012-10-03 08:14:35 PM  

The Bestest: Well gee, now I look like an idiot for posting Saturday that it wouldn't make sense for MetroPCS to merge with AT&T or T-Mobile.
Thanks for ruining my Fark cred, guys.


Yeah, I was there, too. Then some of us wandered off into a Kodak discussion. 

Oh, well.

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-10-04 12:45:43 AM  
The purchase is a actually reverse merger designed so that Deutsche Telekom can sell off its stake in chunks to the new company over the next few years. That said, MetroPCS just blows chunks in the DFW market despite this being the corporate home, I get much better service on StraightTalk AT&T for less money per month than what my parents pay with an actual smartphone that isn't a gimped cast off from Verizon.

I'm glad this is going ahead because it means T-Mobile can roll out LTE that much faster and they're killing the CDMA network in 2015, CDMA on the AWS 1700 spectrum and band was always a fool's game because the spectrum depth was nowhere near the depth that Sprint and Verizon had on the PCS 1900 band and they stupidly decided to skip rolling out EV-DO to go straight to LTE, which made them a laughingstock in the industry since they wanted both the cheap customers and the high-end market, not realizing the nerds knew all about how crappy their service was and how expensive it would be to get them to switch.

Case in point, their version of the Samsung Galaxy S III will be the first and last high-end MetroPCS smartphone, since it's identical to the versions on every other carrier, but there's tons of rumors flying that it'll be $550+ when it launches in the next week and a half. It was meant to be a concession to the customers that wanted an actual current generation flagship Android phone after years of customized and downgraded Verizon flagships, but those customers never took into account that MetroPCS had been trying to sell itself for the past two years.

Related to that, MetroPCS used to flash Verizon and Sprint phones for use on its network until a few months ago and used to openly advertise that service until it started talking to Sprint about a purchase in February that ultimately fell through. Would have looked bad for Sprint to purchase a competitor that openly reactivated its phones without caring about whether it was 100% legal and had litigation thrown at them from Sprint for it.
 
2012-10-04 01:53:57 AM  
 
2012-10-04 02:36:54 AM  

bungle_jr: saeufer82: I doubt T-Mobile will ruin MetroPCS... what everyone who doesn't have them forgets about Metro is that the reason they're cheap is that there's no subsidy of the device. Want a top-end phone on Metro? Too fscking bad; they won't sell it to you because they don't want a $600 phone on their price list.

T-Mobile has plans that do the same thing at a similar price point, but since they're GSM you can just go get a Galaxy Nexus online. Most people are bad at math, though, and pay $20-30/mo more for 2 years to get $300 off a phone.

yeah i seriously doubt t-mobile will ruin my metropcs. it would be against their best interest to foul up with metro has been working to build over the last several years

however, while metro may not have a $600 phone on their price list, they do indeed have a $450 phone...can't remember the model since i can't afford it, but it is a samsung 4g-lte


It was the LG Esteem. Got one for my girlfriend, she loved it for about a year before it was stolen. Insurance covered the replacement, which turned out to be the LG Connect, because the Esteem suddenly wasn't made anymore. :/ Same price, same general specs, but slightly smaller screen. Bummer.

I've been a Metro customer for a few years now, specifically because of T-Mobile's (or any major carrier's) contract crap. I don't need or want an iPhone. I need a phone that, you know, makes calls and sends texts. I like my little LG Motion just fine, and hey, I can even have unlimited web without spending hundreds or being on the hook for two years straight.

Now, that's probably going out the window. *sigh*
 
2012-10-04 03:43:14 AM  

ItachiNai: bungle_jr: saeufer82: I doubt T-Mobile will ruin MetroPCS... what everyone who doesn't have them forgets about Metro is that the reason they're cheap is that there's no subsidy of the device. Want a top-end phone on Metro? Too fscking bad; they won't sell it to you because they don't want a $600 phone on their price list.

T-Mobile has plans that do the same thing at a similar price point, but since they're GSM you can just go get a Galaxy Nexus online. Most people are bad at math, though, and pay $20-30/mo more for 2 years to get $300 off a phone.

yeah i seriously doubt t-mobile will ruin my metropcs. it would be against their best interest to foul up with metro has been working to build over the last several years

however, while metro may not have a $600 phone on their price list, they do indeed have a $450 phone...can't remember the model since i can't afford it, but it is a samsung 4g-lte

It was the LG Esteem. Got one for my girlfriend, she loved it for about a year before it was stolen. Insurance covered the replacement, which turned out to be the LG Connect, because the Esteem suddenly wasn't made anymore. :/ Same price, same general specs, but slightly smaller screen. Bummer.

I've been a Metro customer for a few years now, specifically because of T-Mobile's (or any major carrier's) contract crap. I don't need or want an iPhone. I need a phone that, you know, makes calls and sends texts. I like my little LG Motion just fine, and hey, I can even have unlimited web without spending hundreds or being on the hook for two years straight.

Now, that's probably going out the window. *sigh*


T-Mobile will be making MetroPCS their "value brand" going forward and they've had viable monthly prepaid options that were equal to and better than what MetroPCS ever offered in its short lifetime, even cheaper if you looked at T-Mobile powered virtual operators like Simple Mobile and StraightTalk if you're willing to pay full price for a phone up front. Point is, the idea that you need a contract to have actual nationwide cell service is dead for the majority of people and really only necessary for families or businesses that need multiple lines and for that on prepaid, there's also Ting.

Contracts are really becoming unnecessary and the last few quarters have borne that out, especially for T-Mobile. The only reason they exist is so that carriers have a guaranteed revenue stream and are otherwise weighted in favor of the carrier, not the customer. People are getting fed up with how hostile carriers can be towards customers on contract and are reacting to it by refusing them and looking for solid alternatives
 
2012-10-04 04:55:17 AM  
Can you still have full number portability on prepaid? I've had the same phone number for 8 years now and I rather like that.

/former NEXTEL customer
//currently with ATT, as they had service where I was and weren't Verizon.
 
2012-10-04 07:46:53 AM  

Axl X: ItachiNai: bungle_jr: saeufer82: I doubt T-Mobile will ruin MetroPCS... what everyone who doesn't have them forgets about Metro is that the reason they're cheap is that there's no subsidy of the device. Want a top-end phone on Metro? Too fscking bad; they won't sell it to you because they don't want a $600 phone on their price list.

T-Mobile has plans that do the same thing at a similar price point, but since they're GSM you can just go get a Galaxy Nexus online. Most people are bad at math, though, and pay $20-30/mo more for 2 years to get $300 off a phone.

yeah i seriously doubt t-mobile will ruin my metropcs. it would be against their best interest to foul up with metro has been working to build over the last several years

however, while metro may not have a $600 phone on their price list, they do indeed have a $450 phone...can't remember the model since i can't afford it, but it is a samsung 4g-lte

It was the LG Esteem. Got one for my girlfriend, she loved it for about a year before it was stolen. Insurance covered the replacement, which turned out to be the LG Connect, because the Esteem suddenly wasn't made anymore. :/ Same price, same general specs, but slightly smaller screen. Bummer.

I've been a Metro customer for a few years now, specifically because of T-Mobile's (or any major carrier's) contract crap. I don't need or want an iPhone. I need a phone that, you know, makes calls and sends texts. I like my little LG Motion just fine, and hey, I can even have unlimited web without spending hundreds or being on the hook for two years straight.

Now, that's probably going out the window. *sigh*

T-Mobile will be making MetroPCS their "value brand" going forward and they've had viable monthly prepaid options that were equal to and better than what MetroPCS ever offered in its short lifetime, even cheaper if you looked at T-Mobile powered virtual operators like Simple Mobile and StraightTalk if you're willing to pay full price for a phone up front. Po ...


THIS. I've had my AT&T-powered StraightTalk phone for about 6 months now and it has worked everywhere I've been. Even little, pissant towns in the middle of nowhere. Basically, it's AT&T coverage, without the AT&T price.
 
2012-10-04 07:47:58 AM  

Goimir: Can you still have full number portability on prepaid? I've had the same phone number for 8 years now and I rather like that.

/former NEXTEL customer
//currently with ATT, as they had service where I was and weren't Verizon.


Yes, at least with Straight Talk.
 
2012-10-04 10:39:50 AM  

Goimir: Can you still have full number portability on prepaid? I've had the same phone number for 8 years now and I rather like that.

/former NEXTEL customer
//currently with ATT, as they had service where I was and weren't Verizon.


Number portability applies, but the technology used by the carriers would prevent you from moving over.
As it currently sits, Metro is just leasing their connectivity from Sprint, so you get Sprint coverage, only without their roaming agreements. I can't vouch for elsewhere, but in Northern and Southern California they've been fine.
 
2012-10-04 07:42:45 PM  
Great, now I won't be able to go MetroPCS now... T-mobile throttles access after all, while MetroPCS doesn't. Oh well, sticking with Sprint
 
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