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2012-10-03 09:05:22 AM  
You should go find Maynard on Joe Rogan's podcast cirac mid-July, August. A 2.5 hour (conversation about all things Maynard), and at times he touches on both Tool and APC's longevity.

I'm not really into either but it was pretty fascinating conversation and I somewhat recall him making some comments about why it had taken so long between albums and why there was no news on either band's new album. soemthing like 5 years since Tool's last album and 7 since APC or vice versa.

i guess with this news he probably knew something but didnt' want to say.
 
2012-10-03 09:10:19 AM  

rickythepenguin: You should go find Maynard on Joe Rogan's podcast cirac mid-July, August. A 2.5 hour (conversation about all things Maynard), and at times he touches on both Tool and APC's longevity.


YOU'RE WELCOME

from 7/27
 
2012-10-03 10:15:03 AM  

rickythepenguin: I somewhat recall him making some comments about why it had taken so long between albums and why there was no news on either band's new album.


At this point, I've given up on hope for a new Tool album anytime soon, if ever. I'll just appreciate the amount of work they've managed to release so far.
 
2012-10-03 11:05:11 AM  
I had no idea APC was still around. I like their stuff, but it's always felt like a consolation prize while waiting for a new Tool album.
 
2012-10-03 11:07:06 AM  

rickythepenguin: rickythepenguin: You should go find Maynard on Joe Rogan's podcast cirac mid-July, August. A 2.5 hour (conversation about all things Maynard), and at times he touches on both Tool and APC's longevity.

YOU'RE WELCOME

from 7/27


(right click, save link location, email to myself for post-work enjoyment).

Thank you kindly, dear sir.
 
2012-10-03 11:10:00 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: I had no idea APC was still around. I like their stuff, but it's always felt like a consolation prize while waiting for a new Tool album.


I always felt they were Tool Lite, a more accessible, hooky, four-on-the-floor version of Maynard's vision. Case in point, my wife loves APC, loves MJK's voice, but the poly-rhythms and other complicated progginess of most Tool music sets her on edge.

For me, there is plenty of room in my heart for both (with some left over for Puscifer).
 
2012-10-03 11:13:00 AM  
Also, Freese is a monster on the kit. Probably my favorite non-MJK aspect of APC. His playing on Passive is just sublime.
 
2012-10-03 11:13:36 AM  

Pontious Pilates: FeedTheCollapse: I had no idea APC was still around. I like their stuff, but it's always felt like a consolation prize while waiting for a new Tool album.

I always felt they were Tool Lite, a more accessible, hooky, four-on-the-floor version of Maynard's vision. Case in point, my wife loves APC, loves MJK's voice, but the poly-rhythms and other complicated progginess of most Tool music sets her on edge.

For me, there is plenty of room in my heart for both (with some left over for Puscifer).


I like both too. Each band has its place for me. But Puscifer? I thought Maynard started that band as a joke?
 
2012-10-03 11:14:20 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: I had no idea APC was still around. I like their stuff, but it's always felt like a consolation prize while waiting for a new Tool album.



Oddly enough I liked Thirteenth Step a hell of a lot more than 10,000 Days (yeah, I know eMotive is technically APC''s latest album but I don't count cover albums)
 
2012-10-03 11:17:54 AM  
The headline led me to believe he died. Whew!

He'll turn up doing something else. He is one of the top tier drummers.
 
2012-10-03 11:18:28 AM  

Cythraul: Pontious Pilates: FeedTheCollapse: I had no idea APC was still around. I like their stuff, but it's always felt like a consolation prize while waiting for a new Tool album.

I always felt they were Tool Lite, a more accessible, hooky, four-on-the-floor version of Maynard's vision. Case in point, my wife loves APC, loves MJK's voice, but the poly-rhythms and other complicated progginess of most Tool music sets her on edge.

For me, there is plenty of room in my heart for both (with some left over for Puscifer).

I like both too. Each band has its place for me. But Puscifer? I thought Maynard started that band as a joke?


Maybe. They did make their "debut" on Mr. Show. But "The Mission" is still pretty sweet for what it is.
 
kab
2012-10-03 11:20:05 AM  
Saw them last summer on tour.

Boring set, viewed by an understandably bored crowd. About 2/3rds of the way through, they played The Outsider, absolutely killed it, the crowd loved it, then it went right back to a snoozefest.

Meh.
 
2012-10-03 11:21:35 AM  
Hopefully he'll play some more shows with The Vandals. Last time I saw them play was way back in 2003.
 
2012-10-03 11:25:47 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: I had no idea APC was still around. I like their stuff, but it's always felt like a consolation prize while waiting for a new Tool album.


That. I hate to hate on Maynard, but damn, dude, Tool is way better.
 
2012-10-03 11:38:11 AM  
One can only hope it's a sign of a new Tool album. Or, at least a live DVD or something. COME ON!
 
2012-10-03 11:46:32 AM  
I don't know who they are but according to the picture they could have at best formed an imperfect pentagon.
 
2012-10-03 11:50:43 AM  
He's great, but he's no Danny Carey.

/Than again, few are.
//Guy is 51 and could start at middle linebacker for a desperate team in the NFL
 
2012-10-03 11:57:29 AM  

Cythraul: Pontious Pilates: FeedTheCollapse: I had no idea APC was still around. I like their stuff, but it's always felt like a consolation prize while waiting for a new Tool album.

I always felt they were Tool Lite, a more accessible, hooky, four-on-the-floor version of Maynard's vision. Case in point, my wife loves APC, loves MJK's voice, but the poly-rhythms and other complicated progginess of most Tool music sets her on edge.

For me, there is plenty of room in my heart for both (with some left over for Puscifer).

I like both too. Each band has its place for me. But Puscifer? I thought Maynard started that band as a joke?


He did, but the last album and the previous ep were actually really good.

Love Tool, but found 10,000 Days to be about half-filler. I agree that Thirteenth Step was a more satisfying album.
 
2012-10-03 11:58:27 AM  
Who?
 
2012-10-03 11:59:12 AM  
A Perfect Circle was still a thing?
 
2012-10-03 12:21:44 PM  

serial arseonist: One can only hope it's a sign of a new Tool album. Or, at least a live DVD or something. COME ON!


It's a sign that Maynard ("You can't illegally download wine") is going full time into his other business venture and leaving music, IMHO.
 
2012-10-03 12:31:40 PM  
this band is still together?
 
2012-10-03 12:56:48 PM  

TheMikey: He'll turn up doing something else. He is one of the top tier drummers.


Man, you don't know the half of it. You have no idea how much "something else" you've heard Freese doing. He's one of the busiest session drummers on earth.

I mean, when you can make ridiculous checks from the label to come in on a Wednesday afternoon and fart out drums for Katy Perry, Kelly Clarkson, Offspring, Ricky Martin, Selena Gomez, and Miley Cyrus (all albums he actually played on) why on earth would you fark around taking a bus around the country to play $500/night APC gigs.

/Josh called my cousin one day from NAMM just to shoot the shiat after my uncle met him and said what a fan his kid was. Super rad dude.
//Not begrudging him for this decision at all in case the needle in anyone's internet sarcasm detector twitched.
///Whar new Tool? Whar?
 
2012-10-03 12:59:40 PM  
As much as I love Tool, Chancellor is a bass beast, I can listen to APC going down the road. Tool, well, it's more for laying in bed with my headphones on and just going into a meditative state.

10,000 Days just didn't do much for me. Some of the songs are growing on me, but I haven't really listened to it much.
 
2012-10-03 01:02:07 PM  

interface2x: Cythraul: Pontious Pilates: FeedTheCollapse: I had no idea APC was still around. I like their stuff, but it's always felt like a consolation prize while waiting for a new Tool album.

I always felt they were Tool Lite, a more accessible, hooky, four-on-the-floor version of Maynard's vision. Case in point, my wife loves APC, loves MJK's voice, but the poly-rhythms and other complicated progginess of most Tool music sets her on edge.

For me, there is plenty of room in my heart for both (with some left over for Puscifer).

I like both too. Each band has its place for me. But Puscifer? I thought Maynard started that band as a joke?

He did, but the last album and the previous ep were actually really good.

Love Tool, but found 10,000 Days to be about half-filler. I agree that Thirteenth Step was a more satisfying album.


I really like Queen Bee and Indigo Children
 
2012-10-03 01:12:03 PM  
The headline led me to believe he died. Whew!

He'll turn up doing something else. He is one of the top tier drummers.


He's touring full-time with Devo right now. Guess that band is more fun.

Maynard's gotten to play with 2 of the greatest drummers on the planet- Carey and Freese. Lucky dude.
 
2012-10-03 01:18:14 PM  

interface2x: Cythraul:Pontious Pilates:

But Puscifer? I thought Maynard started that band as a joke?

He did, but the last album and the previous ep were actually really good.



This is interesting to me. I bought the first Puscifer cd, thought it was a joke. When I heard they released others, I went with the old 'fool me once...' saying and never looked into them.

So you're saying the later stuff isn't the random mess that the first cd was?

/Random mess is just my opinion, but it definitely felt like it was a joke on the audience to me...
 
2012-10-03 01:35:47 PM  
Love both Tool and A Perfect Circle... Different sound for different moods.

Wish they could bring back Paz Lechantin...
 
2012-10-03 01:37:34 PM  

DarkPascual: Wish they could bring back Paz Lechantin...


So much this


Me gusta Paz.
 
2012-10-03 01:43:44 PM  
CSB time:

Many many moons ago (around '01), I saw APC live, and it was the most boring show I'd ever been to. I'm more of a punk guy, and there was zero energy, and I pretty much hated it. And it made me hate APC in general (not a big fan of most mainstream rock, but I always thought Tool was great, so I had some hope). Now, Josh Freese wasn't actually touring with them, but as a Vandals fan, I was terribly disappointed that he was a part of something I had so much disdain for. So the next year, I go to a Vandals show, and after they played I saw Josh out front of the club. I went up to him, said Hi, great set, etc. He said thanks, and complimented my shirt (it was a white shirt I had written some Op Ivy lyrics on in sharpie)(I was 19, gimme a break). So then I decide to be Mr. Ballsy, and said "Hey man, I love the Vandals, but I just gotta ask... what were you thinking with A Perfect Circle? It's awful!"

Not surprisingly, he was offended, and there were some groupie girls around him who also acted quite offended on his behalf. They called me closed minded, etc (which is a bullshiat thing to say when someone you don't know expresses an opinion on a single band; it's not like I said "it's on the radio, so it sucks"). Finally, I say "Hey man, just my opinion. So... will you sign my shirt?" and tried to hand him a sharpie. He looks at me like the giant asshole I certainly seemed to be at the moment, and was like "Why would I sign it after you insult me?"
"Because it's a great shirt! You said so yourself! And you'll make it greater!"
So he says "Fine!" and grabs the sharpie and signs something near my right shoulder blade. I say thanks, and meekly leave. I drive from Chico to Sac, happy about what was a great show, giggling a bit about how I made a fool of myself.

When I get home, I finally take off my shirt and look at what he wrote on my back. And there on my shoulder, it says "I love a Perfect Circle," with no name or other evidence to suggest that it was written by anyone other than me. I don't think I've ever laughed that hard about something I was that pissed about (since, to me, he pretty much ruined my awesome custom Op Ivy shirt). I stopped being pissed when I realized I got to tell a great story every time I wore the shirt, or APC or the Vandals got brought up in conversation, or every time Josh Freese is on Fark. 

/Guess he finally figured out what I knew all along: APC sucks
 
2012-10-03 01:52:46 PM  

e-christ: When I get home, I finally take off my shirt and look at what he wrote on my back. And there on my shoulder, it says "I love a Perfect Circle," with no name or other evidence to suggest that it was written by anyone other than me. I don't think I've ever laughed that hard about something I was that pissed about


If this was about anyone other than Josh Freese I'd call bullshiat, instead Ill say cool story.

I am a fan of A Perfect Circle though, I don't view it as a MJK project as much as MJK is part of the band, most of the work is done by Howerdel with Maynard adding vocals.
 
2012-10-03 01:53:55 PM  
Oh noes, guess this means we won't get that Tool Jr. album in 2024.
 
2012-10-03 03:03:42 PM  

interface2x: Cythraul: Pontious Pilates: FeedTheCollapse: I had no idea APC was still around. I like their stuff, but it's always felt like a consolation prize while waiting for a new Tool album.

I always felt they were Tool Lite, a more accessible, hooky, four-on-the-floor version of Maynard's vision. Case in point, my wife loves APC, loves MJK's voice, but the poly-rhythms and other complicated progginess of most Tool music sets her on edge.

For me, there is plenty of room in my heart for both (with some left over for Puscifer).

I like both too. Each band has its place for me. But Puscifer? I thought Maynard started that band as a joke?

He did, but the last album and the previous ep were actually really good.

Love Tool, but found 10,000 Days to be about half-filler. I agree that Thirteenth Step was a more satisfying album.


Esto.
 
2012-10-03 03:09:14 PM  

InmanRoshi: serial arseonist: One can only hope it's a sign of a new Tool album. Or, at least a live DVD or something. COME ON!

It's a sign that Maynard ("You can't illegally download wine") is going full time into his other business venture and leaving music, IMHO.


I doubt it. His wine SUCKS (trust me on this--the first couple years were stellar, now it's just vinegar) so music and touring is what he has to do.

/Tool whore
 
2012-10-03 03:41:52 PM  
I love Tool and A Perfect Circle equally. Tool has a harder sound, APC sounds like something out of a dream. I sometimes try to pit APC against Tool, and see who comes out on top for me, but it's always a draw. Mer de Noms is, in my opinion, a perfect album, one that I love from start to finish, never pressing the "next" button. If I pitted that album up against any singular Tool album, APC would come out on top. However, when you take Tool's whole catalog of work as a whole into account, I just can't give APC the edge.

Puscifer started out as a fun little side project with a few good songs, but is now quickly climbing into a favored band for me.
 
ecl
2012-10-03 03:52:41 PM  

e-christ: CSB time:

Many many moons ago (around '01), I saw APC live, and it was the most boring show I'd ever been to. I'm more of a punk guy, and there was zero energy, and I pretty much hated it. And it made me hate APC in general (not a big fan of most mainstream rock, but I always thought Tool was great, so I had some hope). Now, Josh Freese wasn't actually touring with them, but as a Vandals fan, I was terribly disappointed that he was a part of something I had so much disdain for. So the next year, I go to a Vandals show, and after they played I saw Josh out front of the club. I went up to him, said Hi, great set, etc. He said thanks, and complimented my shirt (it was a white shirt I had written some Op Ivy lyrics on in sharpie)(I was 19, gimme a break). So then I decide to be Mr. Ballsy, and said "Hey man, I love the Vandals, but I just gotta ask... what were you thinking with A Perfect Circle? It's awful!"

Not surprisingly, he was offended, and there were some groupie girls around him who also acted quite offended on his behalf. They called me closed minded, etc (which is a bullshiat thing to say when someone you don't know expresses an opinion on a single band; it's not like I said "it's on the radio, so it sucks"). Finally, I say "Hey man, just my opinion. So... will you sign my shirt?" and tried to hand him a sharpie. He looks at me like the giant asshole I certainly seemed to be at the moment, and was like "Why would I sign it after you insult me?"
"Because it's a great shirt! You said so yourself! And you'll make it greater!"
So he says "Fine!" and grabs the sharpie and signs something near my right shoulder blade. I say thanks, and meekly leave. I drive from Chico to Sac, happy about what was a great show, giggling a bit about how I made a fool of myself.

When I get home, I finally take off my shirt and look at what he wrote on my back. And there on my shoulder, it says "I love a Perfect Circle," with no name or other evidence to suggest that it was written ...


You sound like a complete dickbag.
 
2012-10-03 03:56:12 PM  

rickythepenguin: You should go find Maynard on Joe Rogan's podcast cirac mid-July, August. A 2.5 hour (conversation about all things Maynard), and at times he touches on both Tool and APC's longevity.


I love Joe Rogan but he comes off sounds like such a tool sometimes.

Sad news here. Love APC.
 
2012-10-03 04:00:51 PM  
Gah, I had to click on that link to find out Nightwish is done with Annette Olzen? They were here in town on 9/21 I believe it was and I could not get out of work. I'll probably never get a chance to see them again.

Bring Tarja Turenen back! Be adults, work it out.

Happy with Floor Jansen for now though, even if After Forever never seemed to really click even though it had some good pieces.
 
2012-10-03 04:03:25 PM  

Monster Island: interface2x: Cythraul:Pontious Pilates:

But Puscifer? I thought Maynard started that band as a joke?

He did, but the last album and the previous ep were actually really good.


This is interesting to me. I bought the first Puscifer cd, thought it was a joke. When I heard they released others, I went with the old 'fool me once...' saying and never looked into them.

So you're saying the later stuff isn't the random mess that the first cd was?

/Random mess is just my opinion, but it definitely felt like it was a joke on the audience to me...


Most recent (I think) from them is really good (each song very different than any other on it)

Telling Ghosts
Monsoons
Conditions of My Parole 

/just a few of my favorites
 
2012-10-03 04:36:55 PM  

Pontious Pilates: but the poly-rhythms and other complicated progginess of most Tool music


Is that fancy-talk for the half minutes of low rumbling a couple sound effects that tend to come with a lot of songs? Sometimes I let the USB stick play in the car and don't pay too much attention so long as there's sound. Whenever I get a sudden realization that it's very quiet, and I'm thinking "where the hell did my music go?" it's usually some Tool song or intro track of filler whatever.. It's kind of annoying. Like they need to learn to press "record" after they're done tuning their instruments and screwing around with sound effects.

That's what put APC above Tool for me for the longest time (about equal, now) APC albums contained much more "song" for their songs, and a lot less experimental junk that I can't hear over road noise. I know, I know, it's all there for a purpose and means something, but my preferences and habits for listening to music don't clash well with stuff like this.
 
ecl
2012-10-03 04:41:58 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Pontious Pilates: but the poly-rhythms and other complicated progginess of most Tool music

Is that fancy-talk for the half minutes of low rumbling a couple sound effects that tend to come with a lot of songs? Sometimes I let the USB stick play in the car and don't pay too much attention so long as there's sound. Whenever I get a sudden realization that it's very quiet, and I'm thinking "where the hell did my music go?" it's usually some Tool song or intro track of filler whatever.. It's kind of annoying. Like they need to learn to press "record" after they're done tuning their instruments and screwing around with sound effects.

That's what put APC above Tool for me for the longest time (about equal, now) APC albums contained much more "song" for their songs, and a lot less experimental junk that I can't hear over road noise. I know, I know, it's all there for a purpose and means something, but my preferences and habits for listening to music don't clash well with stuff like this.


I like both but Tool has at least a couple hours of awesome music. APC has a few 3-5 minute songs, many of which are just effects pedals.
 
2012-10-03 05:14:21 PM  

ecl: APC has a few 3-5 minute songs, many of which are just effects pedals.


Mmm, see, I'm more into the lyrics of most of the music I like.
 
2012-10-03 05:29:23 PM  

rickythepenguin: rickythepenguin: You should go find Maynard on Joe Rogan's podcast cirac mid-July, August. A 2.5 hour (conversation about all things Maynard), and at times he touches on both Tool and APC's longevity.

YOU'RE WELCOME

from 7/27


That was awesome!
 
2012-10-03 05:32:30 PM  

ecl: e-christ: CSB time: [...]

You sound like a complete dickbag.

 

Again, I was 19. I thought it was totally punk rock to be honest. These days, I realize how rude it is to tell someone their band sucks. In fact, these days I go to a lot of trouble to give (and encourage in others) extra support to opening and touring bands.

Of course, if something besides how rude I was seemed dickbagish, well, fark you then.
 
kab
2012-10-03 05:53:11 PM  

e-christ: CSB time:


Were you wearing Vans, or 501's at this show by any chance?
 
2012-10-03 05:57:16 PM  
Monster Island:So you're saying the later stuff isn't the random mess that the first cd was?

Not at all, check out the songs: Potions, The Mission, Monsoons, and The Rapture. All great tracks.
 
2012-10-03 05:57:58 PM  
Yikes, sorry about the super bolding.
 
2012-10-03 06:08:00 PM  
what a tool
 
2012-10-03 06:12:15 PM  

kab: e-christ: CSB time:


Were you wearing Vans, or 501's at this show by any chance?


I might've been wearing Vans (if not, I'm sure it was something similar), but I wasn't wearing 501s. I'm pretty sure I was wearing cutoffs that had been baggy jeans. Far from 501s.
...Why do you ask?
 
2012-10-03 06:22:15 PM  
Freese has a bit of a solo career as well, ya (or at least an EP)? Also, I heard he's joining GNR.
 
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