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2012-10-04 02:21:42 PM  

hbk72777: Maher also mocked Obama for sounding too professorial



So Romney completely lied and flip flopped about everything, sounded like a used car salesman, but he won? And these are the reasons people think he won? #WINNING
 
2012-10-04 02:24:47 PM  

youmightberight: The gov does and they are using it to pay someone to sit on their ass for an extra 33 weeks.



Unemployment and welfare are insurance, where you pay the taxes while you're working. What's next? You pay for someone on social security to sit on their ass the rest of their lives pretending they never paid into the system themselves?

I bet a grand total of 10 dollars of your tax money went to pay for "someone to sit on their ass"

And you are outraged at only that. Sounds like you want to be one of those people too. so sell your business and sit on welfare, it's a dream!
 
2012-10-04 02:31:42 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Public education teachers' unions. Their unswerving exclusive concern is for more teachers to pay union dues, and more pay and benefits. All the while bleating "it's for the kids!" That's at least what seems to be the problem here in California. Highest or near highest pay in the nation, dead last in student learning.



Another lie, you're good at this

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/06/21/4579408/california-falls-to-35th-in- n ation.html

California falls to 35th in nation in per pupil education spending
 
2012-10-04 02:33:21 PM  

MeinRS6: The piss poor shape of the economy is his problem.



So don't blame Congress? You know, they write the actual laws n stuff
 
2012-10-04 02:38:52 PM  

intelligent comment below: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Every pundit, left and right all agree


It's funny how you right wingers always tell us never to listen to the librul media but suddenly they make a point that you like, and we should listen to them now? I'm so confused. Make up your damn minds!


No, that is actually exactly their point.... just like McConnell's thing with "Our #1 objective now is to beat Obama" comment... which he said later on basically "Well, if Obama would only agree with everything we believe, then we wouldn't feel that way".

In the same way... "the Liberal media is fine, when they say stuff we agree with."
 
2012-10-04 02:57:48 PM  
Romney won that debate. Obama looked like he wasn't prepared and that he didn't have any fight in him. Obama will slay him on foreign policy debate and the social issues. This one mattered because the voters really care about jobs and the economy.
 
2012-10-04 03:00:21 PM  

intelligent comment below: MeinRS6: The piss poor shape of the economy is his problem.


So don't blame Congress? You know, they write the actual laws n stuff


You can blame the Dems in congress for not producing a budget since they took power. That hasn't helped.

But it's comical that now that your boy has been in charge and had Dem majority in both houses of congress for a while, suddenly all of the things that were "Bush's fault" cannot possibly be Obama's fault.

Remember when the price of gas was Bush's fault? He was making all of his oil buddies rich on purpose. This, of course, what a ridiculous libby lie. Well? How about now? Are gas prices Obama's fault? Is he making all energy prices high on purpose to make the oil companies rich?
 
2012-10-04 03:04:23 PM  

MeinRS6: intelligent comment below: MeinRS6: The piss poor shape of the economy is his problem.


So don't blame Congress? You know, they write the actual laws n stuff

You can blame the Dems in congress for not producing a budget since they took power. That hasn't helped.

But it's comical that now that your boy has been in charge and had Dem majority in both houses of congress for a while, suddenly all of the things that were "Bush's fault" cannot possibly be Obama's fault.

Remember when the price of gas was Bush's fault? He was making all of his oil buddies rich on purpose. This, of course, what a ridiculous libby lie. Well? How about now? Are gas prices Obama's fault? Is he making all energy prices high on purpose to make the oil companies rich?


You're more daft than I thought ... Crude oil is a global COMMODITY, when the US unilaterally invaded Iraq, it caused major upsets in the world commodities markets, thus resulting in higher oil prices.

The current rise in oil commodities market is explained through simple supply and demand shocks, not newly started wars into oil sensitive regions.

/Please, get educated, because this is just sad that you cannot decipher a difference between the two situations.
 
2012-10-04 03:13:45 PM  

seadoo2006: MeinRS6: intelligent comment below: MeinRS6: The piss poor shape of the economy is his problem.


So don't blame Congress? You know, they write the actual laws n stuff

You can blame the Dems in congress for not producing a budget since they took power. That hasn't helped.

But it's comical that now that your boy has been in charge and had Dem majority in both houses of congress for a while, suddenly all of the things that were "Bush's fault" cannot possibly be Obama's fault.

Remember when the price of gas was Bush's fault? He was making all of his oil buddies rich on purpose. This, of course, what a ridiculous libby lie. Well? How about now? Are gas prices Obama's fault? Is he making all energy prices high on purpose to make the oil companies rich?

You're more daft than I thought ... Crude oil is a global COMMODITY, when the US unilaterally invaded Iraq, it caused major upsets in the world commodities markets, thus resulting in higher oil prices.

The current rise in oil commodities market is explained through simple supply and demand shocks, not newly started wars into oil sensitive regions.

/Please, get educated, because this is just sad that you cannot decipher a difference between the two situations.


I never said that oil wasn't a commodity. You are arguing with yourself.

Respond to what I actually posted.
 
2012-10-04 03:16:38 PM  

MeinRS6: seadoo2006: MeinRS6: intelligent comment below: MeinRS6: The piss poor shape of the economy is his problem.


So don't blame Congress? You know, they write the actual laws n stuff

You can blame the Dems in congress for not producing a budget since they took power. That hasn't helped.

But it's comical that now that your boy has been in charge and had Dem majority in both houses of congress for a while, suddenly all of the things that were "Bush's fault" cannot possibly be Obama's fault.

Remember when the price of gas was Bush's fault? He was making all of his oil buddies rich on purpose. This, of course, what a ridiculous libby lie. Well? How about now? Are gas prices Obama's fault? Is he making all energy prices high on purpose to make the oil companies rich?

You're more daft than I thought ... Crude oil is a global COMMODITY, when the US unilaterally invaded Iraq, it caused major upsets in the world commodities markets, thus resulting in higher oil prices.

The current rise in oil commodities market is explained through simple supply and demand shocks, not newly started wars into oil sensitive regions.

/Please, get educated, because this is just sad that you cannot decipher a difference between the two situations.

I never said that oil wasn't a commodity. You are arguing with yourself.

Respond to what I actually posted.


I'll type slow and in short words.

Bush = started a war, upset the market
Obama = market is responding to supply/demand forces

Bush made a move, for better or worse, and upset the market. That makes him ground zero for the oil price rising. Obama hasn't done anything to the market, which is why we've seen a slow, gradual rise over time for oil prices. It's not dishonest to say that if Bush DIDN'T start a war, there wouldn't have been the shock to the market like we saw.
 
2012-10-04 03:19:44 PM  

intelligent comment below: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Public education teachers' unions. Their unswerving exclusive concern is for more teachers to pay union dues, and more pay and benefits. All the while bleating "it's for the kids!" That's at least what seems to be the problem here in California. Highest or near highest pay in the nation, dead last in student learning.


Another lie, you're good at this

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/06/21/4579408/california-falls-to-35th-in- n ation.html

California falls to 35th in nation in per pupil education spending


Whups! I was mistaken. My bad; I generalized. "Highest or near highest pay in the nation, dead last in student learning" Those stats, I believe, apply to the LAUSD, not to California as a whole.

However, let me point out that "per pupil education spending" does NOT equal "pay levels for teachers."
 
2012-10-04 03:28:38 PM  

seadoo2006: Bush = started a war, upset the market
Obama = market is responding to supply/demand forces

Bush made a move, for better or worse, and upset the market. That makes him ground zero for the oil price rising. Obama hasn't done anything to the market, which is why we've seen a slow, gradual rise over time for oil prices.


If Bush drove the prices up, then why were gas prices lower when Bush was in office than now with Capt Peace Obama at the helm? If you think that the Iraq war is the contributing factor to the current prices we are all paying at the pump, then you are too stupid to bother having any discussion with. And you sure as hell don't know anything about the commodities market.
 
2012-10-04 03:38:27 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: Yeah, Romney kept saying some rather stupid shiat, and OBama didn't take the bait to correct him on anything.


I kept waiting for Obama to call him out on the whole "we borrow all our money from China" talking point.

I kept waiting for him to get called out on a huge list of obvious falsehoods. It just wasn't happening.

I know it was his 20th Wedding Anniversary, I know he would have much rather been out with Michelle that night, but he just didn't have his head in the game.
 
2012-10-04 03:40:31 PM  

Mrtraveler01: MeinRS6: f Bush drove the prices up, then why were gas prices lower when Bush was in office than now with Capt Peace Obama at the helm?

Someone has conveniently forgotten what gas prices in 2008 were before the financial collapse:

[66.70.86.64 image 670x325]

Highest average price for gas was in August 2008 at $4.11. Say, who was President back in August 2008? 

/Once again we caught MeinSR6 lying


You don't get it and you are making my point for me. I was pointing out the "Bush's fault" nonsense that came from libs non-stop, but as soon as Obama comes into office you libs start saying things like "It's the fault of congress". I used gas prices as an example. The truth is that libs were lying about gas prices being Bush's fault. Now you will NEVER even see a news story about high gas prices like you did while Bush was in office, much less one that blames Obama for high prices on everything. 

Can a Farklib name anything that IS Obama's fault?
 
2012-10-04 03:46:15 PM  

MeinRS6: Mrtraveler01: MeinRS6: f Bush drove the prices up, then why were gas prices lower when Bush was in office than now with Capt Peace Obama at the helm?

Someone has conveniently forgotten what gas prices in 2008 were before the financial collapse:

[66.70.86.64 image 670x325]

Highest average price for gas was in August 2008 at $4.11. Say, who was President back in August 2008? 

/Once again we caught MeinSR6 lying

You don't get it and you are making my point for me. I was pointing out the "Bush's fault" nonsense that came from libs non-stop, but as soon as Obama comes into office you libs start saying things like "It's the fault of congress". I used gas prices as an example. The truth is that libs were lying about gas prices being Bush's fault. Now you will NEVER even see a news story about high gas prices like you did while Bush was in office, much less one that blames Obama for high prices on everything. 

Can a Farklib name anything that IS Obama's fault?


No, you said that prices were lower under Bush than they were under Obama. I was just calling you out on that BS talking point.

Whatever persecution complex you were trying to nurse with that talking point I don't care, but you can't make up your own facts.
 
2012-10-04 03:46:57 PM  

MeinRS6: Mrtraveler01: MeinRS6: f Bush drove the prices up, then why were gas prices lower when Bush was in office than now with Capt Peace Obama at the helm?

Someone has conveniently forgotten what gas prices in 2008 were before the financial collapse:

[66.70.86.64 image 670x325]

Highest average price for gas was in August 2008 at $4.11. Say, who was President back in August 2008? 

/Once again we caught MeinSR6 lying

You don't get it and you are making my point for me. I was pointing out the "Bush's fault" nonsense that came from libs non-stop, but as soon as Obama comes into office you libs start saying things like "It's the fault of congress". I used gas prices as an example. The truth is that libs were lying about gas prices being Bush's fault. Now you will NEVER even see a news story about high gas prices like you did while Bush was in office, much less one that blames Obama for high prices on everything. 

Can a Farklib name anything that IS Obama's fault?


At this point showing that gas spiked under Bush is pointless for the left given that the money spent by the average person on gas over the last 4 years far exceeds the what they spent under Bush, especially when pegged on household income.
 
2012-10-04 03:52:25 PM  

Mrtraveler01: No, you said that prices were lower under Bush than they were under Obama. I was just calling you out on that BS talking point.


Bush was president for 8yrs. Gas was lower on average in those years than it has been under Obama. But again, that's not the point. I'm not a libtard that thinks the president controls gas prices to make his friends in the oil business rich. If you don't remember that lib talking point, then you should lay off the weed as it is frying your brain.

So again, can any Farklib think of ANYTHING that is Obama's fault? Because it seems that suddenly the president isn't responsible for anything. The economy? That's congress's fault now, right? The price of gas? Congress. Inflation? Congress. Unemployment? Must be congress.
 
2012-10-04 03:57:05 PM  
Hmmmm..... interesting.

Just spent five minutes doing a download of this thread to Excel and running a few stats. "intelligent comment below" comes frantically riding into the thread on page 5, at comment #4267, at 10:53 (just minutes after the debate ended). From that point on he makes 43 comments, or 3.38% of the posts. This out of only 359 separate people who posted the next 1273 remarks.

In other words, he tries to dominate and steer the conversation.

It's almost as if he had been dispatched by someone to do damage control.
 
2012-10-04 04:05:51 PM  

MeinRS6: Bush was president for 8yrs. Gas was lower on average in those years than it has been under Obama.


consumerenergyreport.com

They were rising pretty quickly under Bush and then dipped during the recession and Obama brought gas prices back to where they were before.

I don't think that Bush manipulated prices or anything that nefarious, but what is your reasoning for why gas prices rose every year Bush was in office?
 
2012-10-04 04:16:08 PM  

shotglasss: Fart_Machine: ozarkmatt: quatchi: Obama's performance was low key but honest.

Nobody that has to look at the floor, refusing to meet ANYBODY in the eye (other than his moderator friend) can be considered honest.

Moderator friend? Ok 7/10 for getting me to bite. Nice one.

I don't think Lehrer sees himself as Obama's friend...more like his bodyguard. Same as the rest of the liberal media...protecting their Messiah from all his own failures and making sure Americans don't see him for the failure he is.


The only ones who call Obama the Messiah are conservatives.
 
2012-10-04 04:30:29 PM  

MeinRS6: Mrtraveler01: No, you said that prices were lower under Bush than they were under Obama. I was just calling you out on that BS talking point.

Bush was president for 8yrs. Gas was lower on average in those years than it has been under Obama. But again, that's not the point. I'm not a libtard that thinks the president controls gas prices to make his friends in the oil business rich. If you don't remember that lib talking point, then you should lay off the weed as it is frying your brain.

So again, can any Farklib think of ANYTHING that is Obama's fault? Because it seems that suddenly the president isn't responsible for anything. The economy? That's congress's fault now, right? The price of gas? Congress. Inflation? Congress. Unemployment? Must be congress.


Considering a lot of those began in 2008, before Obama was in office, how are they his fault? And I was told while Bush was in office that the president has no say or affect on oil and gas prices, but when Obama became president he's the one responsible for the prices. Which is it, people?
 
2012-10-04 04:40:51 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: MeinRS6: Mrtraveler01: No, you said that prices were lower under Bush than they were under Obama. I was just calling you out on that BS talking point.

Bush was president for 8yrs. Gas was lower on average in those years than it has been under Obama. But again, that's not the point. I'm not a libtard that thinks the president controls gas prices to make his friends in the oil business rich. If you don't remember that lib talking point, then you should lay off the weed as it is frying your brain.

So again, can any Farklib think of ANYTHING that is Obama's fault? Because it seems that suddenly the president isn't responsible for anything. The economy? That's congress's fault now, right? The price of gas? Congress. Inflation? Congress. Unemployment? Must be congress.

Considering a lot of those began in 2008, before Obama was in office, how are they his fault? And I was told while Bush was in office that the president has no say or affect on oil and gas prices, but when Obama became president he's the one responsible for the prices. Which is it, people?


OK, to repeat myself, Obama is President of the United States, not God Emperor of the planet. If anything screwed up oil prices, it was Republican posturing on attacking Iran.
 
2012-10-04 04:42:42 PM  

MeinRS6: Ricardo Klement: Atypical Person Reading Fark: Ricardo Klement: People seem to be under the impression that debate winners are based on debate club rules. They're not. It's based on back-of-the-schoolbus clique rules. Politics is like high school, and the cool kids don't play by nerd rules. Ever.

And that's why Romney won.

Calling it a "win" is a bit strong - but yes, you're right. These debates are exactly like high school, and the person who grabs the most positive attention "wins." What do the polls say today? Are more of the undecided decided? (I bet not) Did any Obama support get persuaded (Hell no).

Don't know. According to Larry Sabato, the results are mixed. There was a 9-point overall swing against Carter and in favor of Reagan after one debate. I don't see that likely here (and in that election, there were a lot more undecideds going into the debate), but sometimes the shift can matter.

Obama "losing" this debate isn't his problem.

The piss poor shape of the economy is his problem.


Apparently, it isn't, or he wouldn't have been ahead heading into the debate to begin with. Frankly, I think it's because he's not a real conservative but a Johnny-come-lately who only says what will pander to the Tea Party elements of the party. *I* don't believe Romney. I think he'll govern from the center, and do nothing about this debt.
 
2012-10-04 04:53:22 PM  

MeinRS6: You can blame the Dems in congress for not producing a budget since they took power. That hasn't helped.



What does "took power" mean when they never had enough votes?

MeinRS6: But it's comical that now that your boy has been in charge and had Dem majority in both houses of congress for a while, suddenly all of the things that were "Bush's fault" cannot possibly be Obama's fault.



What does a "majority" mean when they never had enough votes?

MeinRS6: Remember when the price of gas was Bush's fault? He was making all of his oil buddies rich on purpose. This, of course, what a ridiculous libby lie. Well? How about now? Are gas prices Obama's fault? Is he making all energy prices high on purpose to make the oil companies rich?



When you start 2 wars in Iraq and Afghanistan you certainly cause a spike in gas prices. But you call that a "libby lie"

Where are gas prices now? They only spike when, surprise, people talk about a war with Iran.

Domestic consumption has decreased every year and production has increased. Also natural gas drilling has boomed. So 0bama has done nothing to cause an increase in prices while Bush did. That's why libby libs blamed him for price increases. Do try and keep up
 
2012-10-04 04:54:04 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: In other words, he tries to dominate and steer the conversation.



I'm so confused, just a few hours ago you and your circle jerk conservative buddy were laughing at how I'm unemployed and living with mommy. Do make up your mind.
 
2012-10-04 04:54:57 PM  

MeinRS6: Bush was president for 8yrs. Gas was lower on average in those years than it has been under Obama.



citation needed
 
2012-10-04 05:18:13 PM  
switchboard.nrdc.org

intelligent comment below: MeinRS6: Bush was president for 8yrs. Gas was lower on average in those years than it has been under Obama.


citation needed


Yeah, volatile markets are volatile.
 
2012-10-04 05:53:48 PM  

intelligent comment below: MeinRS6: You can blame the Dems in congress for not producing a budget since they took power. That hasn't helped.


What does "took power" mean when they never had enough votes?

MeinRS6: But it's comical that now that your boy has been in charge and had Dem majority in both houses of congress for a while, suddenly all of the things that were "Bush's fault" cannot possibly be Obama's fault.


What does a "majority" mean when they never had enough votes?


The Dems passed Obamacare without a single Republican vote. The Dems controlled the House, Senate, and WH. They had the votes and they blew it.

And one more time for the tards - I never said that the president controlled gas prices. You know who did say that during the Bush years? Liberals.
 
2012-10-04 06:11:20 PM  

MeinRS6: And one more time for the tards - I never said that the president controlled gas prices. You know who did say that during the Bush years? Liberals.


So how come Conservatives are blaming Obama for high gas prices now if they weren't Bush's fault when he was President?
 
2012-10-04 06:21:12 PM  

Mrtraveler01: MeinRS6: And one more time for the tards - I never said that the president controlled gas prices. You know who did say that during the Bush years? Liberals.

So how come Conservatives are blaming Obama for high gas prices now if they weren't Bush's fault when he was President?


The conservatives who are tend to be made up of people who think turn-about is fair play and idiots who think the president really CAN do something about gas prices. Just wait. It'll happen the other way as liberals now, who didn't experience the "blame Bush for gas prices" thing in the mid-'00s decide to get revenge for the high prices next time there's a GOP president.
 
2012-10-04 07:07:25 PM  

Mrtraveler01: MeinRS6: And one more time for the tards - I never said that the president controlled gas prices. You know who did say that during the Bush years? Liberals.

So how come Conservatives are blaming Obama for high gas prices now if they weren't Bush's fault when he was President?


Probably because Obama has actively discouraged things like Keystone and other exploratory drilling in the areas that he controls. So if you are coming from the supply side of things, Obama's policies leave him open to some of those attacks. Do I personally think that Obama is controlling gas prices? No. I'm not sure that I've seen anyone else argue that either. I do recall specifically liberals saying that Bush was purposely driving the prices higher for his friends.

Obama has also said that he's ok with $4-$5 gas, but he was concerned about how fast we got there while he was campaigning in '08. You never hear Obama campaigning now about getting the price of gas down either. Obama intended to do what he could to drive up energy costs, whether it came from oil or coal. He has accomplished that goal. If you asked him about gas prices now, he'd start talking about the Volt, "green energy" or other bullshiat. He's not going to say, "Yes, we want to get those prices down". So that's probably where some of that chatter about Obama and high gas prices come from.
 
2012-10-04 07:22:08 PM  

Ricardo Klement: Atypical Person Reading Fark: Ricardo Klement: People seem to be under the impression that debate winners are based on debate club rules. They're not. It's based on back-of-the-schoolbus clique rules. Politics is like high school, and the cool kids don't play by nerd rules. Ever.

And that's why Romney won.

Calling it a "win" is a bit strong - but yes, you're right. These debates are exactly like high school, and the person who grabs the most positive attention "wins." What do the polls say today? Are more of the undecided decided? (I bet not) Did any Obama support get persuaded (Hell no).

Don't know. According to Larry Sabato, the results are mixed. There was a 9-point overall swing against Carter and in favor of Reagan after one debate. I don't see that likely here (and in that election, there were a lot more undecideds going into the debate), but sometimes the shift can matter.


If true, then my main point stands: this mattered not at all, no reason to listen - and now, no reason to watch.
 
2012-10-04 07:32:17 PM  

intelligent comment below: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: In other words, he tries to dominate and steer the conversation.


I'm so confused, just a few hours ago you and your circle jerk conservative buddy were laughing at how I'm unemployed and living with mommy. Do make up your mind.


First truthful thing you've said on this thread.
 
2012-10-04 07:53:22 PM  
Oh, the President *can* indeed do something about gas prices, but not in a short time. It takes years of solid leadership and legislation and planning and alternate fuel sources. It *can* be done in less than four years (totally my opinion which if of course "foolish" to some Farkers).

But he did not focus on gas prices. Why should he? America is super rich, amirite?
 
2012-10-04 07:59:23 PM  

MeinRS6: Mrtraveler01: MeinRS6: And one more time for the tards - I never said that the president controlled gas prices. You know who did say that during the Bush years? Liberals.

So how come Conservatives are blaming Obama for high gas prices now if they weren't Bush's fault when he was President?

Probably because Obama has actively discouraged things like Keystone and other exploratory drilling in the areas that he controls. So if you are coming from the supply side of things, Obama's policies leave him open to some of those attacks. Do I personally think that Obama is controlling gas prices? No. I'm not sure that I've seen anyone else argue that either. I do recall specifically liberals saying that Bush was purposely driving the prices higher for his friends.

Obama has also said that he's ok with $4-$5 gas, but he was concerned about how fast we got there while he was campaigning in '08. You never hear Obama campaigning now about getting the price of gas down either. Obama intended to do what he could to drive up energy costs, whether it came from oil or coal. He has accomplished that goal. If you asked him about gas prices now, he'd start talking about the Volt, "green energy" or other bullshiat. He's not going to say, "Yes, we want to get those prices down". So that's probably where some of that chatter about Obama and high gas prices come from.


Keystone??? You're officially a god damned idiot ... the Canadians even said the pipeline was to get oil on ships to CHINA faster ... ugh, facepalm ... Keystone wouldn't do shiat for oil prices.
 
2012-10-04 08:57:38 PM  

seadoo2006: MeinRS6: Mrtraveler01: MeinRS6: And one more time for the tards - I never said that the president controlled gas prices. You know who did say that during the Bush years? Liberals.

So how come Conservatives are blaming Obama for high gas prices now if they weren't Bush's fault when he was President?

Probably because Obama has actively discouraged things like Keystone and other exploratory drilling in the areas that he controls. So if you are coming from the supply side of things, Obama's policies leave him open to some of those attacks. Do I personally think that Obama is controlling gas prices? No. I'm not sure that I've seen anyone else argue that either. I do recall specifically liberals saying that Bush was purposely driving the prices higher for his friends.

Obama has also said that he's ok with $4-$5 gas, but he was concerned about how fast we got there while he was campaigning in '08. You never hear Obama campaigning now about getting the price of gas down either. Obama intended to do what he could to drive up energy costs, whether it came from oil or coal. He has accomplished that goal. If you asked him about gas prices now, he'd start talking about the Volt, "green energy" or other bullshiat. He's not going to say, "Yes, we want to get those prices down". So that's probably where some of that chatter about Obama and high gas prices come from.

Keystone??? You're officially a god damned idiot ... the Canadians even said the pipeline was to get oil on ships to CHINA faster ... ugh, facepalm ... Keystone wouldn't do shiat for oil prices.


You seriously have trouble following along. All you like to do is create strawmen and call me names. If you are to goddamn stupid to even understand what I'm saying, then don't respond. I think that means that you should stop responding, because you are seriously farking stupid.
 
2012-10-04 09:09:30 PM  
It's sure nice to see MrBogey, alywa, YELLOL, tenpoundsofcheese and all the other pro-God, pro-Life, pro-Family, pro-Constitution, pro-Liberty freepers witlessly rallying behind the abortionist, gay rights pushing, gun grabbing, global
warming advocating, big government mandate loving, constitution trampling, flip-flopping liberal progressive who has
no core values.
 
2012-10-04 09:23:17 PM  

seadoo2006: MeinRS6: Mrtraveler01: MeinRS6: And one more time for the tards - I never said that the president controlled gas prices. You know who did say that during the Bush years? Liberals.

So how come Conservatives are blaming Obama for high gas prices now if they weren't Bush's fault when he was President?

Probably because Obama has actively discouraged things like Keystone and other exploratory drilling in the areas that he controls. So if you are coming from the supply side of things, Obama's policies leave him open to some of those attacks. Do I personally think that Obama is controlling gas prices? No. I'm not sure that I've seen anyone else argue that either. I do recall specifically liberals saying that Bush was purposely driving the prices higher for his friends.

Obama has also said that he's ok with $4-$5 gas, but he was concerned about how fast we got there while he was campaigning in '08. You never hear Obama campaigning now about getting the price of gas down either. Obama intended to do what he could to drive up energy costs, whether it came from oil or coal. He has accomplished that goal. If you asked him about gas prices now, he'd start talking about the Volt, "green energy" or other bullshiat. He's not going to say, "Yes, we want to get those prices down". So that's probably where some of that chatter about Obama and high gas prices come from.

Keystone??? You're officially a god damned idiot ... the Canadians even said the pipeline was to get oil on ships to CHINA faster ... ugh, facepalm ... Keystone wouldn't do shiat for oil prices.


Oil is fungible. It doesn't matter what the destination is.
 
2012-10-04 09:25:04 PM  

Kittypie070: It's sure nice to see MrBogey, alywa, YELLOL, tenpoundsofcheese and all the other pro-God, pro-Life, pro-Family, pro-Constitution, pro-Liberty freepers witlessly rallying behind the abortionist, gay rights pushing, gun grabbing, global
warming advocating, big government mandate loving, constitution trampling, flip-flopping liberal progressive who has
no core values.


That's why I cannot trust him. I expect Romney to govern from much closer to the center were he to win. Frankly, aside from no scruples, Romney's probably not too different than Obama.
 
2012-10-04 09:30:04 PM  
Dear Big Bird,

The Henson family sold the Muppets to Disney for a cool billion. You make hundreds of millions a year in licensing deals and ancillary products. You can start paying for your own show or cut us in for 50% of your profits. Your call.

The American Taxpayer.
 
2012-10-04 09:33:20 PM  

Otto_E_Rodika: Dear Big Bird,

The Henson family sold the Muppets to Disney for a cool billion. You make hundreds of millions a year in licensing deals and ancillary products. You can start paying for your own show or cut us in for 50% of your profits. Your call.

The American Taxpayer.


You Know, just when I thought American politics couldn't get any sillier, we wind up discussing Big Bird.
 
2012-10-04 09:47:40 PM  

Kittypie070: It's sure nice to see MrBogey, alywa, YELLOL, tenpoundsofcheese and all the other pro-God, pro-Life, pro-Family, pro-Constitution, pro-Liberty freepers witlessly rallying behind the abortionist, gay rights pushing, gun grabbing, global
warming advocating, big government mandate loving, constitution trampling, flip-flopping liberal progressive who has
no core values.


So I should support Obama? I've never seen someone pull a "my side is bad... so vote my side" before.
 
2012-10-04 09:50:51 PM  

MeinRS6: The Dems passed Obamacare without a single Republican vote. The Dems controlled the House, Senate, and WH. They had the votes and they blew it.



The Democrats needed the 2 Independents in the Senate to overcome the threat of filibuster. So saying they "controlled" everything is wrong, since they needed 2 from other parties to vote with them to pass anything

MeinRS6: And one more time for the tards - I never said that the president controlled gas prices. You know who did say that during the Bush years? Liberals.


But Bush did control gas prices, by putting the region in turmoil he caused spikes in gas prices
 
2012-10-04 09:52:52 PM  

MeinRS6: Probably because Obama has actively discouraged things like Keystone and other exploratory drilling in the areas that he controls.



And how does that change the price of oil?

MeinRS6: Obama has also said that he's ok with $4-$5 gas



citation needed

MeinRS6: Obama intended to do what he could to drive up energy costs, whether it came from oil or coal. He has accomplished that goal. If you asked him about gas prices now, he'd start talking about the Volt, "green energy" or other bullshiat. He's not going to say, "Yes, we want to get those prices down". So that's probably where some of that chatter about Obama and high gas prices come from.



I love it when you get done with the bs talking points and you go straight for the baseless accusations
 
2012-10-04 09:53:54 PM  

Mrbogey: Kittypie070: It's sure nice to see MrBogey, alywa, YELLOL, tenpoundsofcheese and all the other pro-God, pro-Life, pro-Family, pro-Constitution, pro-Liberty freepers witlessly rallying behind the abortionist, gay rights pushing, gun grabbing, global
warming advocating, big government mandate loving, constitution trampling, flip-flopping liberal progressive who has
no core values.

So I should support Obama? I've never seen someone pull a "my side is bad... so vote my side" before.


Meh, don't care about the supposed differences between the candidates. But bring up what's left of the Constitution? That pisses me off.
 
2012-10-04 09:55:08 PM  
Otto_E_Rodika JoJoKrako 2012-10-04 09:30:04 PM

Dear Big Bird,

The Henson family sold the Muppets to Disney for a cool billion. You make hundreds of millions a year in licensing deals and ancillary products. You can start paying for your own show or cut us in for 50% of your profits. Your call.

The American Taxpayer.


[cat wanders off in distracted manner to go check out A Piece Of The Action]
 
2012-10-04 10:09:00 PM  
Dear MrBogey:

Are you truly too stupid to Google an odd bit of phrasing, or do you mindlessly swallow whatever you are presented with no conscious examination whatsoever? Try this Link, if you can even minimally comprehend what you see once you somehow manage to open it.
 
2012-10-04 11:34:01 PM  
Kittypie070:

U mad, bro?
 
2012-10-05 06:57:18 AM  

Kittypie070: Dear MrBogey:

Are you truly too stupid to Google an odd bit of phrasing, or do you mindlessly swallow whatever you are presented with no conscious examination whatsoever? Try this Link, if you can even minimally comprehend what you see once you somehow manage to open it.


Wow, one bad debate performance and you get this bitter and angry. Romney really hurt you.
 
2012-10-06 09:55:44 AM  
Yup. He mad.
 
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