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(Ars Technica)   Time Warner and AT&T upset about Kansas City's deal for Google Fiber, demand the same kind of deal to keep offering their inferior service. To quote one of the companies "Waaaaaaaaaaaaah"   (arstechnica.com) divider line 80
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2012-10-03 09:22:32 AM  
Subby hit the nail on the head.
 
2012-10-03 09:23:36 AM  
Wasn't this exactly Google's plan? Shame them... get them to beg the cities to offer them better service?

Hell I'd personally pay beg the city to pay for or reduce pole service fees for either Comcast or Century Link (or a new comer to ton like Verizon) if they would make an honest effort at proper speeds.
 
2012-10-03 09:25:28 AM  
Well then, maybe you should have taken all that money you're making and invested it in a massive growth of infrastructure that brought attention, money, and jobs to the city instead of complaining about how you're not making enough money and gouging everywhere you can.

biatches.

/Live in Lawrence, not too far from KC. Hopefully it will expand there soon.
 
2012-10-03 09:32:01 AM  
Still say the UK went the right way. Split the company that owns the network from the companies that sell ISP to the public, and require them to sell access to the network to every ISP on equal terms.
Means we have 700 ISP to choose from, according to a recent report on world broadband. I could start an ISP from my bedroom and be able to serve the entire UK and compete on price and service.

/Just got fibre as well.
 
2012-10-03 09:35:56 AM  

SteelDraco: Well then, maybe you should have taken all that money you're making and invested it in a massive growth of infrastructure that brought attention, money, and jobs to the city instead of complaining about how you're not making enough money and gouging everywhere you can.

biatches.

/Live in Lawrence, not too far from KC. Hopefully it will expand there soon.


The key failure in trickle down theory. Wealth gets concentrated. No reinvestment and expansion. They sat on their money and laurels until a more nimble competitor arrived.

"There are certain portions of the agreement between Google and Kansas City, Kan., that put them at a competitive advantage compared with not just us but also the other competitors in the field," said Alex Dudley, a Time Warner Cable spokesman, told the WSJ. "We're happy to compete with Google, but we'd just like an even playing field."

They''ve enjoyed an uneven playing field that's favored them for so long. Now they biatch about fairness when there appears a true competitor.
 
2012-10-03 09:35:59 AM  
Fark you, Time Warner Cable. You're the ones rolling out bandwidth caps. EABOD.
 
2012-10-03 09:37:16 AM  

SteelDraco: Well then, maybe you should have taken all that money you're making and invested it in a massive growth of infrastructure that brought attention, money, and jobs to the city instead of complaining about how you're not making enough money and gouging everywhere you can.

biatches.


Aaaaaaaaaand we're done here.

/The "Biatches" sealed it.
 
2012-10-03 09:37:28 AM  
Given the same deal as Google, will they then compete on price and product? If not, suck it.
 
2012-10-03 09:39:52 AM  
They're only doing this because Google has more money than them. Here in NC, they just tried to bully and buy votes, because why innovate when you can suppress?

F*ck you TWC. And AT&T...I'm using the worst T-Mobile pre-paid signal on Earth because I would rather suffer under that than under your idea of 'service'. You want my business? Ditch the contracts.
 
2012-10-03 09:39:54 AM  
media.giantbomb.com
 
2012-10-03 09:52:23 AM  

whistleridge: They're only doing this because Google has more money than them. Here in NC, they just tried to bully and buy votes, because why innovate when you can suppress?


Death throes of a monopoly.
 
2012-10-03 09:52:47 AM  
Comcast can DIAF for all I care. $90 a month for 12 mbps down is bullshiat.
 
2012-10-03 09:54:42 AM  
There's a simple solution for Kansas City or any other city facing this kind of argument:

"If you're willing to offer the same or better speed of service for the same price and same coverage, we'll give you the same deal."

That's completely fair. Which is, of course, not at all what the other providers want. They want the same perks without being forced to provide the same benefits to the city.
 
2012-10-03 09:57:57 AM  
"We liked it better when there was only two cartels that were colluding with each other. We didn't get into this business to compete, only fleece. Why the shiat are we bribing you anyway?"
 
2012-10-03 10:04:00 AM  

oldass31: Comcast can DIAF for all I care. $90 a month for 12 mbps down is bullshiat.


Is that only internet or does that include basic cable as well? I just switched back to Metrocast where I live, $45 for 12mbps, up from shiatty Verizon DSL which was charging me $40 for 300kbps. (Also, how the fark does that work? Same price for an order of magnitude less bandwidth? Fark you Verizon, fark you right in your ugly farking face.)
 
2012-10-03 10:12:44 AM  
I love all the corporate welfare love espoused by the subby and so many of the posters here.

/Crony capitalism sucks and it's what causes most of the economic mess we're in.
 
2012-10-03 10:20:27 AM  
I'm on the "fark AT&T" bandwagon. The internet is fine although consistently 4 or 5 mbps slow, but they keep trying to saddle me with that hideous abortion known as U-Verse, which quite possibly is the worst TV service ever devised. $60 bucks a month for my local channels plus 50 channels of kiddie bullshiat in standard def? hahahahahahahahaha. No thanks.
 
2012-10-03 10:22:26 AM  
I usually hate seeing someone quoted as saying "waaaaaaaaaah" but this time it was perfect.
 
2012-10-03 10:22:58 AM  

meanmutton: I love all the corporate welfare love espoused by the subby and so many of the posters here.

/Crony capitalism sucks and it's what causes most of the economic mess we're in.


I don't believe you understand what either corporate welfare or crony capitalism means.

While I would prefer a competitive bidding process (article doesn't mention that one took place), Google here is offering a better product to the city in exchange for reduced rates for entry. The city's not engaged in cronyism - it's making an economic choice.

Smells like free market to me.
 
2012-10-03 10:25:00 AM  

drewogatory: I'm on the "fark AT&T" bandwagon. The internet is fine although consistently 4 or 5 mbps slow, but they keep trying to saddle me with that hideous abortion known as U-Verse, which quite possibly is the worst TV service ever devised. $60 bucks a month for my local channels plus 50 channels of kiddie bullshiat in standard def? hahahahahahahahaha. No thanks.


I used to work for ATT on uverse. it's a terrible, terrible overpriced peice of shiat service.
 
2012-10-03 10:42:24 AM  
Yeah, AT&T spent a few weeks ripping up the road in front of my house to drop in their UVerse cable line and when they had a rep go door to door to try to sign people up, we sat down and tried to build the same bundle of channels and internet services that I already get from TWC. Even with the discount for being an AT&T wireless customer it was still about $50/month more than what I'm paying Time Warner. It was crazy how expensive UVerse is.

In general I've been real happy with Time Warner, though their service seems to go down more than any provider I've ever had.

Can't wait until Google Fiber gets to my house. Fall of 2013 can't come fast enough.
 
2012-10-03 10:44:46 AM  
I long for the day I can finally kick TWC and their crap roadrunner service to the curb. I've already switched to a satellite TV service and have not looked back. Sadly, I have no other broadband options.
 
2012-10-03 10:47:25 AM  

SuperT: drewogatory: I'm on the "fark AT&T" bandwagon. The internet is fine although consistently 4 or 5 mbps slow, but they keep trying to saddle me with that hideous abortion known as U-Verse, which quite possibly is the worst TV service ever devised. $60 bucks a month for my local channels plus 50 channels of kiddie bullshiat in standard def? hahahahahahahahaha. No thanks.

I used to work for ATT on uverse. it's a terrible, terrible overpriced peice of shiat service.


What is up with that channel line up? SD 4-3 here, SD 16-9 there, HD over somewhere else etc and no provision for "channels I get" or "hide SD channels". It is the most non intuitive interface I have ever seen.
 
2012-10-03 10:48:21 AM  

Flint Ironstag: I could start an ISP from my bedroom and be able to serve the entire UK and compete on price and service.


And this, a low barrier, or at least relatively speaking low barrier, to entering into competition is a sign of a healthy free market. You think you could send some Brits over here to explain it to Americans?
 
2012-10-03 10:49:06 AM  

oldass31: Comcast can DIAF for all I care. $90 a month for 12 mbps down is bullshiat.


Weird, I've got a 30mpbs connection for $50 from Comcast. I don't have cable TV or anything with it, but still.
 
2012-10-03 10:49:29 AM  
BTW AT&T and Time Warner should be told flat out, they've had long enough to implement their own fiber service and are free to do so at any time they feel like it.
 
2012-10-03 10:54:26 AM  

StrangeQ: oldass31: Comcast can DIAF for all I care. $90 a month for 12 mbps down is bullshiat.

Is that only internet or does that include basic cable as well? I just switched back to Metrocast where I live, $45 for 12mbps, up from shiatty Verizon DSL which was charging me $40 for 300kbps. (Also, how the fark does that work? Same price for an order of magnitude less bandwidth? Fark you Verizon, fark you right in your ugly farking face.)


That's just internet service. I loved TWC when I was back in Austin bout 2 years ago. I had 30 mbps down for $40 a month. Very basic cable was included for free. The only problem was they'd automatically cut your service off if you went over some arbitrary download limit in a week period. Something like 10 GB. Good luck reinstalling WoW or Steam without having to call and explain.
 
2012-10-03 10:57:07 AM  
Something like 10 GB

10 gigs a week? Seriously? I'll bet in our house we download something like 30 gigs a DAY.
 
2012-10-03 10:58:48 AM  
I'm in St. Louis and I'm hoping like hell that Google tries to start growing outward from Kansas City.

I'd really like their plan to be:
Kansas City - middle-sized city test pilot
Columbia & Jefferson City - smallish-middle sized city test pilot
St. Louis - smallish-large sized city test pilot

I pay $35/mo for something like 15Mbps down and 5Mbps up, and I'm actually pretty happy with the service, but I love that Google is actually taking the lead on innovation.
 
2012-10-03 11:01:49 AM  

oldass31: Comcast can DIAF for all I care. $90 a month for 12 mbps down is bullshiat.


I pay about the same for 5 mbps down from TKS Cable (Kabel Deutschland) in west Germany. GARBAGE.

Four years ago I was paying $70 for 15 mbps down with fiber from Verizon in Delaware. Worth every penny.

I was with Comcast Delware before that, can't remember the specs but I'd say it was the same as what I have now with frequent downtimes and long waits for repairs. I was happy to pay the penalty to break contract to go for Verizon's FIOS.
 
2012-10-03 11:03:34 AM  

Fubini: I'm in St. Louis and I'm hoping like hell that Google tries to start growing outward from Kansas City.

I'd really like their plan to be:
Kansas City - middle-sized city test pilot
Columbia & Jefferson City - smallish-middle sized city test pilot
St. Louis - smallish-large sized city test pilot

I pay $35/mo for something like 15Mbps down and 5Mbps up, and I'm actually pretty happy with the service, but I love that Google is actually taking the lead on innovation.


In NC that is considered socialist muslim speed. God fearing folk should be happy with their speeds approaching 3-5Mbps download, 256kbps upload and a 150GB bandwidth limit. AT&T say that is more than anyone but the most evil criminals would ever need.
 
2012-10-03 11:06:19 AM  

drewogatory: Something like 10 GB

10 gigs a week? Seriously? I'll bet in our house we download something like 30 gigs a DAY.


Really? I mean if only HALF of that was downloaded files, and the other half was streaming, you'd still consume 9.3Tb of space annually. That seems absurd, unless you're all unrepentant pir8s.
 
2012-10-03 11:08:30 AM  
The appropriate response here is, "Sure, you can have parity in your agreement with the city just as soon as you provide a comparable service at a comparable price (e.g., $70 gigabit internet). Until then, go fark yourselves."
 
2012-10-03 11:09:44 AM  
I got my mom to sign up for Google Fiber. She's ditching Time Warner once they put the lines down in her area.
 
2012-10-03 11:15:23 AM  
A little off topic, has anybody with Cox internet service ever been cut off for going over their bandwidth limit? I went about 40GB over last month and am on track to go over again this month. It's not bit-torrent traffic, all work related stuff over VPN or https.

I really hope Google Fiber continues to spread and forces other ISPs to compete.
 
2012-10-03 11:15:58 AM  

LasersHurt: drewogatory: Something like 10 GB

10 gigs a week? Seriously? I'll bet in our house we download something like 30 gigs a DAY.

Really? I mean if only HALF of that was downloaded files, and the other half was streaming, you'd still consume 9.3Tb of space annually. That seems absurd, unless you're all unrepentant pir8s.


That's probably an exaggeration, but not by much. 5 people though.
 
2012-10-03 11:17:55 AM  
Have been an ecstatic Verizon FiOS customer for the past 6 or 7 years. Wife & I are now empty-nesters, and with a big house, big bills, and only us here, decided to downsize and are moving into an apartment this weekend.

I was SO happy to see that FiOS is an option there, and signed up.
 
2012-10-03 11:18:01 AM  
Google fiber seems like an awesome deal even if Google TV lacks many good stations. You get a fast internet connection and they give you a Nexus 7 to use as a remote (and the Nexus 7 is a good device). Google please come to Boston, and build out from there toward my town.
 
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2012-10-03 11:19:56 AM  

Quantumbunny: Wasn't this exactly Google's plan? Shame them... get them to beg the cities to offer them better service?


They haven't been "shamed" into anything other than trying to reduce their costs.
 
2012-10-03 11:24:41 AM  

meanmutton: I love all the corporate welfare love espoused by the subby and so many of the posters here.

/Crony capitalism sucks and it's what causes most of the economic mess we're in.


I knew your "think of the poor monopoly" play would get nibbles.

2.0/10.0
 
2012-10-03 11:27:53 AM  

drewogatory: SuperT: drewogatory: I'm on the "fark AT&T" bandwagon. The internet is fine although consistently 4 or 5 mbps slow, but they keep trying to saddle me with that hideous abortion known as U-Verse, which quite possibly is the worst TV service ever devised. $60 bucks a month for my local channels plus 50 channels of kiddie bullshiat in standard def? hahahahahahahahaha. No thanks.

I used to work for ATT on uverse. it's a terrible, terrible overpriced peice of shiat service.

What is up with that channel line up? SD 4-3 here, SD 16-9 there, HD over somewhere else etc and no provision for "channels I get" or "hide SD channels". It is the most non intuitive interface I have ever seen.


no clue. that whole organization is clownshoes.
 
2012-10-03 11:32:35 AM  

skinink: Google fiber seems like an awesome deal even if Google TV lacks many good stations. You get a fast internet connection and they give you a Nexus 7 to use as a remote (and the Nexus 7 is a good device). Google please come to Boston, and build out from there toward my town.


They wrapped up everything that they were missing in early September (namely the ABC/ESPN family and NFL Network). The TV offering is nearly identical to what TWC offers now.
 
2012-10-03 11:37:24 AM  

LasersHurt: drewogatory: Something like 10 GB

10 gigs a week? Seriously? I'll bet in our house we download something like 30 gigs a DAY.

Really? I mean if only HALF of that was downloaded files, and the other half was streaming, you'd still consume 9.3Tb of space annually. That seems absurd, unless you're all unrepentant pir8s.


I know someone who pulled over 1Tb in less than a week, and averaged ~30Gb/day otherwise.

/Said person REALLY likes free Linux distros
 
2012-10-03 11:40:39 AM  

drewogatory: I'm on the "fark AT&T" bandwagon. The internet is fine although consistently 4 or 5 mbps slow, but they keep trying to saddle me with that hideous abortion known as U-Verse, which quite possibly is the worst TV service ever devised. $60 bucks a month for my local channels plus 50 channels of kiddie bullshiat in standard def? hahahahahahahahaha. No thanks.


Just ditched U-Verse yesterday. HD, more channels and free Sunday Ticket for less than what I am paying now? Why yes, I believe I will...
 
2012-10-03 11:42:28 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: skinink: Google fiber seems like an awesome deal even if Google TV lacks many good stations. You get a fast internet connection and they give you a Nexus 7 to use as a remote (and the Nexus 7 is a good device). Google please come to Boston, and build out from there toward my town.

They wrapped up everything that they were missing in early September (namely the ABC/ESPN family and NFL Network). The TV offering is nearly identical to what TWC offers now.


I ditched satellite for CenturyLink Prism. They were a little early to market, too. But they're adding improvements, stations, etc. every day. I'm glad I took the leap of faith. Plus, it's DSL-based, which I prefer.
 
2012-10-03 11:45:06 AM  

LasersHurt: drewogatory: Something like 10 GB

10 gigs a week? Seriously? I'll bet in our house we download something like 30 gigs a DAY.

Really? I mean if only HALF of that was downloaded files, and the other half was streaming, you'd still consume 9.3Tb of space annually. That seems absurd, unless you're all unrepentant pir8s.


They didn't enforce it all the time, and I'm pretty sure if you got their $100 a month service then they wouldn't bother you. It really wasn't that big of a deal to get worked up over. Just an occasional annoyance. The cap may have been higher than what I remember.
 
2012-10-03 12:02:23 PM  
I live in south KC, (Overland Park) and TWC SUCKS horribly. They've had years and years here to abuse the marketplace and continually offer crappy services for jacked up prices. I was paying $75/mo for 10 MBs down/1 MB up at one point. They've recently begun adjusting their prices, I now pay $65/mo 20 MBs/1MB up.

I agree completely with the sentiment here. They're just mad Google is coming in, offering significantly better services for an incredibly reasonable price and Google will begin breaking up the monopoly currently held here by TWC and AT&T.


TWC and AT&T can EABOD.
 
2012-10-03 12:11:01 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Still say the UK went the right way. Split the company that owns the network from the companies that sell ISP to the public, and require them to sell access to the network to every ISP on equal terms.
Means we have 700 ISP to choose from, according to a recent report on world broadband. I could start an ISP from my bedroom and be able to serve the entire UK and compete on price and service.

/Just got fibre as well.


In New Zealand the government funded/built a basic fiber infrastructure. The final connections to homes are built by private partners, who then buy back the basic network those homes connect to. So the government recoups the cost of the fiber backbone and they can re-invest in the infrastructure maintenance, improvements or provide stimulus in the private sector to spur innovation. They've also subisidezed wholesale prices for fiber to incentivize the conversion from copper to fiber. Retail fiber is a growth industry there.
 
2012-10-03 12:39:44 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: I got my mom to sign up for Google Fiber. She's ditching Time Warner once they put the lines down in her area.


I'll say this: The moment Google's bold enough and has the capital to put down fiber in NYC, it'll be the day cable companies around here start going

skinink: Google fiber seems like an awesome deal even if Google TV lacks many good stations. You get a fast internet connection and they give you a Nexus 7 to use as a remote (and the Nexus 7 is a good device). Google please come to Boston, and build out from there toward my town.


If Google ever had the capital to put down their lines in NYC, the cable companies around here would start biatching to no end. Even Optimum would be taken aback.
 
2012-10-03 12:55:26 PM  
Hope it catches on. I eagerly await the day (long or never in coming though it may be) that Fiber makes its way up here to Kansas's silly hat.
 
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