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(AP)   White House widening the covert war in North Africa. Makes you wonder what other ambassadors are working the front lines, doesn't it?   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 36
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2012-10-03 08:12:46 AM
Yes, it's so covert the AP is reporting on it. Covert. COVERT.
 
2012-10-03 08:17:38 AM
This is literally an article about the Obama administration sending special forces groups to Northern Africa while accusing the Obama administration of denying requests for more security.
 
2012-10-03 08:30:41 AM

James!: This is literally an article about the Obama administration sending special forces groups to Northern Africa while accusing the Obama administration of denying requests for more security.


This!

The republicans are trying to push the talking point that the POTUS is weak on terrorism. It's a foolish gamble. They are asking for a true October surprise when they turn on the news and hear about Seal Team 6 running a raid or a drone strike that ends up with the dead terrorist that pulled the shiat in Benghazi.

Link
 
2012-10-03 09:21:12 AM
I just got back from serving in the Peace Corps in northern Burkina Faso. There's a whole chunk of the country we weren't allowed to go to because of AQIM. We would even get periodic briefings from the embassy on how things were going (usually during crises, like when Mali went all to hell back in March).

From what it sounds like to me, AQIM isn't much more than a couple of hundred African rednecks with some rusted out old Hiluxes who are 'armed to the teeth' with the shiattiest AK's in history (and a few RPGs). If they had anything approaching a real education, they would know their discontent comes from being incredibly poor, even by the standards of one of the poorest places on Earth (think $6/month for food). Instead, they're hyped up on an imported brand of Islam and they're being used to further some malcontented Saudi college boy's political 'agenda'. And it's a tragedy, because the residents of the Sahel are some of the nicest people you will ever meet in your whole life.
 
2012-10-03 11:58:22 AM

whistleridge: I just got back from serving in the Peace Corps in northern Burkina Faso. There's a whole chunk of the country we weren't allowed to go to because of AQIM. We would even get periodic briefings from the embassy on how things were going (usually during crises, like when Mali went all to hell back in March).

From what it sounds like to me, AQIM isn't much more than a couple of hundred African rednecks with some rusted out old Hiluxes who are 'armed to the teeth' with the shiattiest AK's in history (and a few RPGs). If they had anything approaching a real education, they would know their discontent comes from being incredibly poor, even by the standards of one of the poorest places on Earth (think $6/month for food). Instead, they're hyped up on an imported brand of Islam and they're being used to further some malcontented Saudi college boy's political 'agenda'. And it's a tragedy, because the residents of the Sahel are some of the nicest people you will ever meet in your whole life.


You're not trying to say that bombing the shiat out of them and killing them will make them our enemies, are you? Because that just makes no sense at all. Next I suppose you'll say we should give aid to people who hate us!
 
2012-10-03 12:00:09 PM

whistleridge: I just got back from serving in the Peace Corps in northern Burkina Faso. There's a whole chunk of the country we weren't allowed to go to because of AQIM. We would even get periodic briefings from the embassy on how things were going (usually during crises, like when Mali went all to hell back in March).

From what it sounds like to me, AQIM isn't much more than a couple of hundred African rednecks with some rusted out old Hiluxes who are 'armed to the teeth' with the shiattiest AK's in history (and a few RPGs). If they had anything approaching a real education, they would know their discontent comes from being incredibly poor, even by the standards of one of the poorest places on Earth (think $6/month for food). Instead, they're hyped up on an imported brand of Islam and they're being used to further some malcontented Saudi college boy's political 'agenda'. And it's a tragedy, because the residents of the Sahel are some of the nicest people you will ever meet in your whole life.


Never EVER underestimate the reliability and longevity of a HiLux. Ever. Never.
 
2012-10-03 12:04:51 PM

whistleridge: I just got back from serving in the Peace Corps in northern Burkina Faso. There's a whole chunk of the country we weren't allowed to go to because of AQIM. We would even get periodic briefings from the embassy on how things were going (usually during crises, like when Mali went all to hell back in March).

From what it sounds like to me, AQIM isn't much more than a couple of hundred African rednecks with some rusted out old Hiluxes who are 'armed to the teeth' with the shiattiest AK's in history (and a few RPGs). If they had anything approaching a real education, they would know their discontent comes from being incredibly poor, even by the standards of one of the poorest places on Earth (think $6/month for food). Instead, they're hyped up on an imported brand of Islam and they're being used to further some malcontented Saudi college boy's political 'agenda'. And it's a tragedy, because the residents of the Sahel are some of the nicest people you will ever meet in your whole life.


Mix in a daily ration of Khat and you've pretty much described nearly ever milita soldier working for every warlord in Africa
 
2012-10-03 12:05:42 PM

James!: This is literally an article about the Obama administration sending special forces groups to Northern Africa while accusing the Obama administration of denying requests for more security.


Where were they during the attack? Maybe they should have been a little more specific when requesting security.
 
2012-10-03 12:06:28 PM

whistleridge: I just got back from serving in the Peace Corps in northern Burkina Faso. There's a whole chunk of the country we weren't allowed to go to because of AQIM. We would even get periodic briefings from the embassy on how things were going (usually during crises, like when Mali went all to hell back in March).

From what it sounds like to me, AQIM isn't much more than a couple of hundred African rednecks with some rusted out old Hiluxes who are 'armed to the teeth' with the shiattiest AK's in history (and a few RPGs). If they had anything approaching a real education, they would know their discontent comes from being incredibly poor, even by the standards of one of the poorest places on Earth (think $6/month for food). Instead, they're hyped up on an imported brand of Islam and they're being used to further some malcontented Saudi college boy's political 'agenda'. And it's a tragedy, because the residents of the Sahel are some of the nicest people you will ever meet in your whole life.


Well, besides the kidnappings and bombings that AQIM does, yeah, they are pretty harmless.
 
2012-10-03 12:06:38 PM
I'm expecting questions on Obama's handling of the attacks on our embassy in Libya/Benghazi tonight. Fact is the MSM has been largely ignoring the massive fark-up that occurred both after and before the attack.
 
2012-10-03 12:11:31 PM

evoke: I'm expecting questions on Obama's handling of the attacks on our embassy in Libya/Benghazi tonight. Fact is the MSM has been largely ignoring the massive fark-up that occurred both after and before the attack.


Don't hold your breath. Unless Romney says something, I doubt it gets mentioned.
 
2012-10-03 12:15:11 PM
See, if everyone would just buy a gigantic SUV, we could run this farking shiathole planet out of MidEast oil faster and not need to give a crap about them.
 
2012-10-03 12:15:51 PM

evoke: I'm expecting questions on Obama's handling of the attacks on our embassy in Libya/Benghazi tonight. Fact is the MSM has been largely ignoring the massive fark-up that occurred both after and before the attack.


For what reason do you expect questions related to foreign policy and international affairs during a debate focused upon domestic policy?
 
2012-10-03 12:17:21 PM

evoke: I'm expecting questions on Obama's handling of the attacks on our embassy in Libya/Benghazi tonight. Fact is the MSM has been largely ignoring the massive fark-up that occurred both after and before the attack.


Exactly which fark-up would that be? Failing to declare war on every Muslim country in the world?
 
2012-10-03 12:24:20 PM

machoprogrammer: Well, besides the kidnappings and bombings that AQIM does, yeah, they are pretty harmless.


It's a matter of what you're measuring against. It might be pretty bad by our day to day standards but they are a joke compared to any semblance of a real military force anywhere in the 1st work.
 
2012-10-03 12:26:17 PM
Simultaneously the most weak willed warlike President in modern history...
 
2012-10-03 12:26:56 PM
James!: This is literally an article about the Obama administration sending special forces groups to Northern Africa while accusing the Obama administration of denying requests for more security.

sammyk: This!

The republicans are trying to push the talking point that the POTUS is weak on terrorism. It's a foolish gamble. They are asking for a true October surprise when they turn on the news and hear about Seal Team 6 running a raid or a drone strike that ends up with the dead terrorist that pulled the shiat in Benghazi.


Yeah, Superman Obama will get 'em! Superman OBAMA'S THE GREATEST!!!
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/god you people are pathetic
 
2012-10-03 12:38:00 PM

ghare: evoke: I'm expecting questions on Obama's handling of the attacks on our embassy in Libya/Benghazi tonight. Fact is the MSM has been largely ignoring the massive fark-up that occurred both after and before the attack.

Exactly which fark-up would that be? Failing to declare war on every Muslim country in the world?


How about lying and claiming the embassy attack was about that video when they knew full well this wasn't the case?

Three days after Ambassador Chris Stevens was killed in Benghazi, Libya, CNN found a seven-page handwritten journal he had written. That journal, found on the floor of what CNN called "the largely unsecured consulate compound where he was fatally wounded", contained obviously newsworthy information: specifically that "in the months leading up to his death, the late ambassador worried about what he called the security threats in Benghazi and a rise in Islamic extremism". CNN also reported that Stevens "mentioned his name was on an al Qaeda hit list".
 
2012-10-03 12:43:40 PM

Magorn: whistleridge: I just got back from serving in the Peace Corps in northern Burkina Faso. There's a whole chunk of the country we weren't allowed to go to because of AQIM. We would even get periodic briefings from the embassy on how things were going (usually during crises, like when Mali went all to hell back in March).

From what it sounds like to me, AQIM isn't much more than a couple of hundred African rednecks with some rusted out old Hiluxes who are 'armed to the teeth' with the shiattiest AK's in history (and a few RPGs). If they had anything approaching a real education, they would know their discontent comes from being incredibly poor, even by the standards of one of the poorest places on Earth (think $6/month for food). Instead, they're hyped up on an imported brand of Islam and they're being used to further some malcontented Saudi college boy's political 'agenda'. And it's a tragedy, because the residents of the Sahel are some of the nicest people you will ever meet in your whole life.

Mix in a daily ration of Khat and you've pretty much described nearly ever milita soldier working for every warlord in Africa


And a 40 lb box of rape.
 
2012-10-03 12:47:17 PM
Jesus Christ.


As of early September, the special operations teams still consisted only of liaison officers who were assigned to establish relationships with local governments and U.S. officials in the region. Only limited counterterrorism operations have been conducted in Africa so far.


So we were getting set up and got caught by surprise.


The go-slow approach being taken by the Army's top clandestine counterterrorist unit - known as Delta Force - is an effort by the White House to counter criticism from some U.S. lawmakers, human rights activists and others that the anti-terror fight is shifting largely to a secret war using special operations raids and drone strikes, with little public accountability. The administration has been taking its time when setting up the new unit to get buy-in from all players who might be affected, such as the U.S. ambassadors, CIA station chiefs, regional U.S. military commanders and local leaders.


Right then. Thinking before acting is now bad.

All this for farking oil. We're trying to keep the lid on North and West Africa (including Yemen) so we're not so dependent on the Middle East.

Meanwhile, the dictators there are sitting back, selling us oil at inflated prices, waiting to come back after our fling with those hussies trying to set up democracies.
 
2012-10-03 12:50:06 PM

uber humper: James!: This is literally an article about the Obama administration sending special forces groups to Northern Africa while accusing the Obama administration of denying requests for more security.

Where were they during the attack? Maybe they should have been a little more specific when requesting security.


I had wondered why there weren't Marines at the Libyan embassy. Maybe there were a few, I donno, but I seem to recall there was maybe a small handful of private security people.
 
2012-10-03 01:15:06 PM
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2012-10-03 01:26:35 PM

James!: This is literally an article about the Obama administration sending special forces groups to Northern Africa while accusing the Obama administration of denying requests for more security.


You mean all those terrorist organizations operating in Morocco and Tunisia? I wasn't aware Tunis was such a hotbed of insurgent activity these days.
 
2012-10-03 01:30:02 PM

sammyk: James!: This is literally an article about the Obama administration sending special forces groups to Northern Africa while accusing the Obama administration of denying requests for more security.

This!

The republicans are trying to push the talking point that the POTUS is weak on terrorism. It's a foolish gamble. They are asking for a true October surprise when they turn on the news and hear about Seal Team 6 running a raid or a drone strike that ends up with the dead terrorist that pulled the shiat in Benghazi.

Link


Oh, is that what the republicans are trying to push?

Stop trying to defend him. He may win in November, but that won't make him any less a terrible president.
 
2012-10-03 01:31:18 PM

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You're so cute.
 
2012-10-03 01:43:21 PM

ghare: BullBearMS: ddderrrrrpppppppppppppp

You're so cute.


So this wasn't the Obama administration lying to the press?

Carney made it clear that the protests across the Muslim world targeting U.S. embassies and consulates, is in no way directed at the policies of President Obama's administration.

Carney said that the protests were exclusively aimed at a video which is highly critical of Islam that a U.S.-based filmmaker put online in June:


According to the murdered ambassador's own written account, as discovered by CNN, they had been expecting attacks for months. This was indeed a lie.
 
2012-10-03 01:56:33 PM

xanadian: I had wondered why there weren't Marines at the Libyan embassy. Maybe there were a few, I donno, but I seem to recall there was maybe a small handful of private security people.


The fact that the United States was not prepared to protect it's own ambassador on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, despite knowing in advance that attacks were expected in Benghazi is quite embarrassing.

Lying to the press about what happened as a go-to move certainly didn't improve things.
 
2012-10-03 01:59:06 PM

GORDON: sammyk: James!: This is literally an article about the Obama administration sending special forces groups to Northern Africa while accusing the Obama administration of denying requests for more security.

This!

The republicans are trying to push the talking point that the POTUS is weak on terrorism. It's a foolish gamble. They are asking for a true October surprise when they turn on the news and hear about Seal Team 6 running a raid or a drone strike that ends up with the dead terrorist that pulled the shiat in Benghazi.

Link

Oh, is that what the republicans are trying to push?

Stop trying to defend him. He may win in November, but that won't make him any less a terrible president.


Aww does it hurt you widdle feelings knowing your neocon heroes can't claim to be the tough guys when it comes to terrorism anymore? How sad.
 
2012-10-03 02:30:35 PM

machoprogrammer: whistleridge: I just got back from serving in the Peace Corps in northern Burkina Faso. There's a whole chunk of the country we weren't allowed to go to because of AQIM. We would even get periodic briefings from the embassy on how things were going (usually during crises, like when Mali went all to hell back in March).

From what it sounds like to me, AQIM isn't much more than a couple of hundred African rednecks with some rusted out old Hiluxes who are 'armed to the teeth' with the shiattiest AK's in history (and a few RPGs). If they had anything approaching a real education, they would know their discontent comes from being incredibly poor, even by the standards of one of the poorest places on Earth (think $6/month for food). Instead, they're hyped up on an imported brand of Islam and they're being used to further some malcontented Saudi college boy's political 'agenda'. And it's a tragedy, because the residents of the Sahel are some of the nicest people you will ever meet in your whole life.

Well, besides the kidnappings and bombings that AQIM does, yeah, they are pretty harmless.


Extremely dangerous to locals and any Western tourists who are stupid enough to brave the heat, malaria, giardia, and food to visit Timbuktu anyway, yes; in any way a danger to the United States...not so much.
 
2012-10-03 02:58:17 PM

Enormous-Schwanstucker: whistleridge: I just got back from serving in the Peace Corps in northern Burkina Faso. There's a whole chunk of the country we weren't allowed to go to because of AQIM. We would even get periodic briefings from the embassy on how things were going (usually during crises, like when Mali went all to hell back in March).

From what it sounds like to me, AQIM isn't much more than a couple of hundred African rednecks with some rusted out old Hiluxes who are 'armed to the teeth' with the shiattiest AK's in history (and a few RPGs). If they had anything approaching a real education, they would know their discontent comes from being incredibly poor, even by the standards of one of the poorest places on Earth (think $6/month for food). Instead, they're hyped up on an imported brand of Islam and they're being used to further some malcontented Saudi college boy's political 'agenda'. And it's a tragedy, because the residents of the Sahel are some of the nicest people you will ever meet in your whole life.

Never EVER underestimate the reliability and longevity of a HiLux. Ever. Never.


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2012-10-03 03:01:47 PM

Gyrfalcon: James!: This is literally an article about the Obama administration sending special forces groups to Northern Africa while accusing the Obama administration of denying requests for more security.

You mean all those terrorist organizations operating in Morocco and Tunisia? I wasn't aware Tunis was such a hotbed of insurgent activity these days.



Well, with respect, you don't know dick about international terrorist networks. 
 
2012-10-03 03:47:44 PM
I think a lot of people are using Obama's response to this as an easy attack without thinking things through. I'm not an Obama apologist by any means, but I don't think his response is as bad as people are saying.
Several key points people leave out of their attacks:
Libya has huge areas that are being controlled by armed militias, several are hardcore Islamic. In order for Libya to get some kind of control of these people, they will have to talk. They wont be able to just kill em all off. They don't need another civil war right away.

If we call this a terrorist attack, then by default it was done by a terrorist organization. We don't work well with terrorists. We do however want to work with the new Libyan government. Since this attack was most likely conducted by one of these militias. Calling them a terrorist organization means Libya won't be able to work with them either.

The way I'm seeing this is Obama is giving the Libyan government time to get secure enough that we can get these guys and probably kill them without completely undermining Libya's very very new government. If we start spouting off that it was terrorists, it completely destroys any chance of Libya disarming some of these militias peacefully.

So if it makes you feel better sure we can scream TERRORISTS to the heavens, but it could very easily turn Libya into even more of a war zone for the next decade. But hey, if it makes you feel better, whats a few thousand brown people.
 
2012-10-03 04:15:20 PM

Gyrfalcon: James!: This is literally an article about the Obama administration sending special forces groups to Northern Africa while accusing the Obama administration of denying requests for more security.

You mean all those terrorist organizations operating in Morocco and Tunisia? I wasn't aware Tunis was such a hotbed of insurgent activity these days.


Well not lately, no. But Carthage is now a suburb of Tunis, and has existed for 3,000 years. Durig the Second Punic War, Hannibal nearly brought about the collapse Roman rule in Italy. "Ho-kay, I'll see your Navy and Legions, and raise you some farkin' elephants."

/conflict in N. Africa ain't nothing new - just the players

//cue "As Time Goes By" from Casablanca
 
2012-10-03 04:32:16 PM

James!: This is literally an article about the Obama administration sending special forces groups to Northern Africa while accusing the Obama administration of denying requests for more security.


Do you Obama-bots have an off switch or is it just spin whatever criticism of Obama shows up.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/sensitive-documents-l e ft-behind-at-american-mission-in-libya/2012/10/03/11911498-0d7e-11e2-b d1a-b868e65d57eb_story.html

That the latest story to come out

First they said it was a spontaneous reaction - LIE

Then they said there was no way they could have known about it ahead of time - LIE

Now it is Al queda and the affiliates in Benghazi (lets just leave out the whole thing about Obama and the CIA basically arming these guys to take out Gaddafi, even though people were warning that these folks weren't our buddies and that we should be more selective about who we arm)

Then State says there was never a concern or request for security - LIE

The words of the ambassador show all of this to be false. The security in Benghazi was left to a bunch of local making $28/per day and there was only like 4 of them (See linked article) and now we know a bunch of documents (which is States responsibility to secure BTW) have gone missing that link to the locals who were helping the US.

Romney would be worse but to say Obama is awesome on foreign policy or say this isn't on him is total BS. He owns this, he had a hand in directly creating the situation on the ground that led to these armed gangs. He went against congress to play soldier in Libya and this is on him.
 
2012-10-03 04:52:59 PM
That the latest story to come out

First they said it was a spontaneous reaction - LIE

Then they said there was no way they could have known about it ahead of time - LIE

Now it is Al queda and the affiliates in Benghazi (lets just leave out the whole thing about Obama and the CIA basically arming these guys to take out Gaddafi, even though people were warning that these folks weren't our buddies and that we should be more selective about who we arm)

Then State says there was never a concern or request for security - LIE

The words of the ambassador show all of this to be false. The security in Benghazi was left to a bunch of local making $28/per day and there was only like 4 of them (See linked article) and now we know a bunch of documents (which is States responsibility to secure BTW) have gone missing that link to the locals who were helping the US.

Romney would be worse but to say Obama is awesome on foreign policy or say this isn't on him is total BS. He owns this, he had a hand in directly creating the situation on the ground that led to these armed gangs. He went against congress to play soldier in Libya and this is on him.

The White House messaging has been inconsistent because it has been driven almost entirely by what the D/CIA has told them to say. Every statement that comes out of State or the White House is potential insight into our on-the-ground intel capacities, so they don't get to pick what the story of the day is. Uncle Leon and Gen. Patraeus are the ones who control the whole "what we knew and when we knew it" thing.
 
2012-10-03 04:54:29 PM
Crap. Everything before that last paragraph should have been italicized.
 
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