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2012-10-03 09:04:19 AM
Also known as 'how to annoy the hell out of your audience' by avoiding anything of substance.
 
2012-10-03 09:17:28 AM
^That.
 
2012-10-03 09:27:02 AM
It certainly helps to have a toothless moderator and arbitrary time limits that assure you can stretch your bullshiat until the red light comes on.
 
2012-10-03 09:29:03 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-03 09:31:32 AM
That was interesting. I'm aware of the pivot and usually try to notice them, but I'm wondering how many of them I haven't noticed in the past.
 
2012-10-03 09:40:17 AM
It would be better to have the best lawyers from each side grill opponents with yes or no questions. The courtroom debate format.
 
2012-10-03 10:32:00 AM
Debates, aka campaign speeches punctuatued in real time by biatchy retorts. I kindo f hope Obama doesn't pivot too much and instead is frank and direct. He has a real chance here to respond to the fallacious criticisms of the past 4 years and set the record straight. My hopes are he doesn't stray too far down the pander-hole.
 
2012-10-03 10:35:24 AM

Elandriel: Debates, aka campaign speeches punctuatued in real time by biatchy retorts. I kindo f hope Obama doesn't pivot too much and instead is frank and direct. He has a real chance here to respond to the fallacious criticisms of the past 4 years and set the record straight. My hopes are he doesn't stray too far down the pander-hole.


Responding to criticisms is the last thing you want to do in a debate. Attack and show how you are better and then attack again. Politely.
 
2012-10-03 10:39:52 AM

make me some tea: That was interesting. I'm aware of the pivot and usually try to notice them, but I'm wondering how many of them I haven't noticed in the past.


You know what other things you haven't noticed in the past is that porn movies used to have fairly developed plot-lines and tried to have the characters be at least somewhat believable. Why can't do that anymore? If elected President....

/you get the idea
//I can also pivot an Fark post into a poop thread
 
2012-10-03 10:43:02 AM

mrshowrules: make me some tea: That was interesting. I'm aware of the pivot and usually try to notice them, but I'm wondering how many of them I haven't noticed in the past.

You know what other things you haven't noticed in the past is that porn movies used to have fairly developed plot-lines and tried to have the characters be at least somewhat believable. Why can't do that anymore? If elected President....

/you get the idea
//I can also pivot an Fark post into a poop thread


I prefer homemade porn. No plot necessary, totally believable.
 
2012-10-03 11:36:52 AM
How Politicians Get Away With Dodging The Question

Journalism is dead?
 
2012-10-03 11:37:36 AM
I'm sure somebody will be along to try and pivot this into an "Obama bad" thread anytime soon.
 
2012-10-03 11:37:37 AM
Christ, if Romney "pivots" any more than he already has, he's gonna need new knees after this election. I mean, we're all waiting to see what is position will be on the DREAM act tonight, and whether it will be the same as his position yesterday (for it), his position the day before that (against it), or his position before that (for it). I think this debate is a great chance for Obama to do the very best thing for his campaign, shut up and let Romney talk.
 
2012-10-03 11:41:29 AM
Did it three times in her first debate with Biden and was declared winner by a lot a folks who should have known better

s2.reutersmedia.net
 
2012-10-03 11:42:21 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: [i.imgur.com image 450x318]


Beat me to it. Dammit!
 
2012-10-03 11:42:52 AM
thats why I always felt there needs to be a mandatory yes no question section.
 
2012-10-03 11:43:38 AM
speaking of pivots, whar troll thread whar?
 
2012-10-03 11:44:36 AM

mayIFark: thats why I always felt there needs to be a mandatory yes no question section.


for example do u knew that your mother is lesbian?
 
2012-10-03 11:45:20 AM
i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-10-03 11:45:30 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: [i.imgur.com image 450x318]


That's the first thing I think about when I hear or read the word "pivot".
 
2012-10-03 11:45:31 AM
As stated, if Romney wins you will think he stood on stage by himself as we go in to full 'How bad Romney is' mode, if its a tie it will be 'Obama did well and here's all the bad things Romney did' and if Obama wins it will be 'How great Obama is how how unprepared and terrible Romney is'

You will never hear how 'bad' Obama was no matter how it turns out.
 
2012-10-03 11:45:33 AM

Bag of Hammers: Did it three times in her first debate with Biden and was declared winner by a lot a folks who should have known better

[s2.reutersmedia.net image 450x321]


After her awful pre-debate performance, anything not involving choking on her own vomit would have been declared a win for her.
 
2012-10-03 11:46:47 AM
carolramsey.net

Remember kids, debating is a sport of deflection, obfuscation, and fuzzy factual assertions.
 
2012-10-03 11:47:41 AM
Anyone who sat through a single Republican primary debate this election is already familiar with the pivot. I don't think anybody actually answered a direct question throughout the whole damn thing.
 
2012-10-03 11:48:23 AM

randomjsa: As stated, if Romney wins you will think he stood on stage by himself as we go in to full 'How bad Romney is' mode, if its a tie it will be 'Obama did well and here's all the bad things Romney did' and if Obama wins it will be 'How great Obama is how how unprepared and terrible Romney is'

You will never hear how 'bad' Obama was no matter how it turns out.


Jesus Çhrist, listen to yourself. You sound like a baby.

Do you not know what the word 'never' means? So you're not going to be posting how bad Obama did if flops?
 
2012-10-03 11:48:39 AM

randomjsa: As stated, if Romney wins you will think he stood on stage by himself as we go in to full 'How bad Romney is' mode, if its a tie it will be 'Obama did well and here's all the bad things Romney did' and if Obama wins it will be 'How great Obama is how how unprepared and terrible Romney is'

You will never hear how 'bad' Obama was no matter how it turns out.


Romney memo cited Gallup poll as the proof that Obama beat McCain in three debates. Before we make predictions, is that that poll satisfactory for you in determining who won/tied?
 
2012-10-03 11:49:03 AM
This is why we need Bill Maher and Jon Stewart to modify debates.
Because as soon as they finished their answer, there would be a follow up of, "OK, but that is not the question I asked. Now answer the farking question."
 
2012-10-03 11:49:31 AM
Wow so you mean we won't actually get new and interesting information out of either canidate because they'll answer the question they want instead of the question asked? That is unexpected, it totally hasn't happened in every presidential debate ever.

Next you'll be telling me both sides will claim their canidate "won" a contest with no score or judging.
 
2012-10-03 11:50:14 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: [i.imgur.com image 450x318]


I came here to post this too.

And I'm shocked I was beat.

Kudos.
 
2012-10-03 11:50:33 AM
We should make it entertaining. As in, The Running Man: Candidate Edition.
 
2012-10-03 11:51:14 AM

randomjsa: As stated, if Romney wins you will think he stood on stage by himself as we go in to full 'How bad Romney is' mode, if its a tie it will be 'Obama did well and here's all the bad things Romney did' and if Obama wins it will be 'How great Obama is how how unprepared and terrible Romney is'

You will never hear how 'bad' Obama was no matter how it turns out.


www.onepennysheet.com
 
2012-10-03 11:51:32 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: i.imgur.com


That was one of the two funny moment in that entire series. And I hated Ross. It has become the only thing I can think of whenever I hear the word "pivot", however.
 
2012-10-03 11:51:34 AM

bdub77: Bag of Hammers: Did it three times in her first debate with Biden and was declared winner by a lot a folks who should have known better

After her awful pre-debate performance, anything not involving choking on her own vomit would have been declared a win for her.


Go on....

caffeinatedthoughts.com
 
2012-10-03 11:51:54 AM

Sybarite: It certainly helps to have a toothless moderator and arbitrary time limits that assure you can stretch your bullshiat until the red light comes on.


Possibly relevant:
Link
 
2012-10-03 11:51:59 AM

NeoCortex42: Anyone who sat through a single Republican primary debate this election is already familiar with the pivot. I don't think anybody actually answered a direct question throughout the whole damn thing.


Everyone does it. It's the epitome of Politics 101.
 
2012-10-03 11:52:32 AM

Bag of Hammers: Did it three times in her first debate with Biden and was declared winner by a lot a folks who should have known better

[s2.reutersmedia.net image 450x321]


Man I hated watching that debate. Was it really only 3, I can't say that I really remember her answering any direct questions. But I was distracted by how many times she said "joe the..." or "joe sixpack". (not a good day to be named joe)
 
2012-10-03 11:53:41 AM

blastoh: This is why we need Bill Maher and Jon Stewart to modify debates.
Because as soon as they finished their answer, there would be a follow up of, "OK, but that is not the question I asked. Now answer the farking question."


Get the chick from the Weakest Link.
 
2012-10-03 11:54:31 AM

randomjsa: As stated, if Romney wins you will think he stood on stage by himself as we go in to full 'How bad Romney is' mode, if its a tie it will be 'Obama did well and here's all the bad things Romney did' and if Obama wins it will be 'How great Obama is how how unprepared and terrible Romney is'

You will never hear how 'bad' Obama was no matter how it turns out.


Winning a debate requires facts and logically consistent arguments. Winning tonight for Romney means pretending not to be a douche for a full 90 minutes. Which standard are you using?
 
2012-10-03 11:55:25 AM
Rogers believes this is because we have limited attention, and most of the time when we're watching debates, we spend that attention on social evaluation - Do we like this person? Do we trust this person? - and only generally monitor content.

When you consider that the average IQ in America is estimated to be about 98, this statement makes a lot more sense.
 
2012-10-03 11:56:34 AM

theknuckler_33: Rogers believes this is because we have limited attention, and most of the time when we're watching debates, we spend that attention on social evaluation - Do we like this person? Do we trust this person? - and only generally monitor content.

When you consider that the average IQ in America is estimated to be about 98, this statement makes a lot more sense.


Half of all Americans score had below average grades in school.
 
2012-10-03 11:56:49 AM
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
Would like to raise the level of debate
 
2012-10-03 11:56:53 AM

bdub77: It would be better to have the best lawyers from each side grill opponents with yes or no questions. The courtroom debate format.


That would guarantee that the GOP candidate got his/her ass handed to her every time.

/faith-based reality doesn't stand up well to scrutiny.
 
2012-10-03 11:57:34 AM

theknuckler_33: When you consider that the average IQ in America is estimated to be about 98, this statement makes a lot more sense.


Remember, half of Americans are even dumber than that.

(hint: it's the half that thinks they're smarter than college-educated folks)
 
2012-10-03 11:57:46 AM
Martha Raddatz: Governor Romney, what is your position on Healthcare regulation?

Romney: I'm gonna ignore that question and instead talk about Israel. I love Israel so much. Bless its heart. There's a special place for Israel in heaven. And I know some people are going to say I'm only sayin' that to pander to Florida voters, but from a very young age, my two greatest loves were always Jews and Cuban food.
 
2012-10-03 11:57:56 AM
The real terror comes about when someone says something so stupid both sides wince.

I was in the audience at a debate that included a christian radio host. The topic of slavery came up and he said the bible had debt slavery but not the chattel slavery we used to practise. The whole crowd grumbled because we actually had read the bible through and it's in Leviticus (25:44-46). His attempt to pivot around the slavery in the bible issue was a complete train wreck.
 
2012-10-03 11:58:34 AM
 
2012-10-03 12:00:25 PM
reminds me of "Slip, Slid away"
 
2012-10-03 12:00:39 PM

bdub77: It would be better to have the best lawyers from each side grill opponents with yes or no questions. The courtroom debate format.


Prior inconsistent statements would certainly be called out far more often.
 
2012-10-03 12:00:54 PM

qorkfiend: NeoCortex42: Anyone who sat through a single Republican primary debate this election is already familiar with the pivot. I don't think anybody actually answered a direct question throughout the whole damn thing.

Everyone does it. It's the epitome of Politics 101.


I agree that it's used by every politician, but usually not every single question. You answer the questions you can give a good response to, and pivot the ones that you want to try to avoid. You also are supposed to try to pivot to a prepared talking point that is at least on topic. The Republican primaries didn't even have the candidates coming anywhere near the question asked. It was more along the lines of:
Q: "What specifically would you do to help secure our borders?"
A:"Man, that Obama really sucks, doesn't he."

See also: Any time a Romney campaign rep does a national interview. There's got to be a point of diminishing returns when it comes to using the pivot.
 
2012-10-03 12:01:59 PM

Superjew: theknuckler_33: When you consider that the average IQ in America is estimated to be about 98, this statement makes a lot more sense.

Remember, half of Americans are even dumber than that.

(hint: it's the half that thinks they're smarter than college-educated folks)


Yes, of course I understood the point you are trying to make, but averages do not work that way. ;-)
 
2012-10-03 12:03:33 PM

sprawl15: theknuckler_33: Rogers believes this is because we have limited attention, and most of the time when we're watching debates, we spend that attention on social evaluation - Do we like this person? Do we trust this person? - and only generally monitor content.

When you consider that the average IQ in America is estimated to be about 98, this statement makes a lot more sense.

Half of all Americans score had below average grades in school.


That's disgraceful. Half of Canadians have above average grades in school.
 
2012-10-03 12:03:59 PM

theknuckler_33: Superjew: theknuckler_33: When you consider that the average IQ in America is estimated to be about 98, this statement makes a lot more sense.

Remember, half of Americans are even dumber than that.

(hint: it's the half that thinks they're smarter than college-educated folks)

Yes, of course I understood the point you are trying to make, but averages do not work that way. ;-)


That's mean.
 
2012-10-03 12:05:46 PM

bdub77: It would be better to have the best lawyers from each side grill opponents with yes or no questions. The courtroom debate format.


You can expain your answers in court. There is no yes or no thingy. Perry Mason was a fictional TV character, which is different from what happens in actual courtrooms
 
2012-10-03 12:06:31 PM
Not answering the question works?

Not for me.
 
2012-10-03 12:11:32 PM
ftfa: This led Rogers to the conclusion that people are capable of detecting dodges - but only if they're egregious. They don't seem capable of detecting subtle evasions.

i293.photobucket.com

Getting a real kick out of this thread.
 
2012-10-03 12:15:05 PM
I almost got whiplash from watching Palin pivot. (I didn't know the technique was called 'pivoting,' but I do now.)

All candidates do it, but Palin was incredibly unsubtle about it. And would talk about whatever the hell she wanted after an introductory phrase.

"I'm glad you asked that. Up in Alaska we value our freedom..."
 
2012-10-03 12:17:04 PM

Sybarite: It certainly helps to have a toothless moderator and arbitrary time limits that assure you can stretch your bullshiat until the red light comes on.


I disagree that Lehrer is toothless...he is methodical and cannot be distracted...look into his cold dead eyes and tell me that you see anything resembling humanity there...and he was trying to smile in this picture...see how his lips are kinda curled up there? Smiling!

www.mediabistro.com
 
2012-10-03 12:19:12 PM

mrshowrules: Elandriel: Debates, aka campaign speeches punctuatued in real time by biatchy retorts. I kindo f hope Obama doesn't pivot too much and instead is frank and direct. He has a real chance here to respond to the fallacious criticisms of the past 4 years and set the record straight. My hopes are he doesn't stray too far down the pander-hole.

Responding to criticisms is the last thing you want to do in a debate. Attack and show how you are better and then attack again. Politely.


Darn, I really wanted to see Obama bust in through a door, look at Romney and say "This is the mother f%$#er put a dog on his roof" 

wcatnews.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-03 12:19:49 PM

Coder: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 403x403]
Would like to raise the level of debate


Jeff Daniels???
 
2012-10-03 12:20:19 PM
Simply give the moderator a paint-ball gun, and every time one of the candidates tries to pull this shiat, they get shot.
 
2012-10-03 12:21:01 PM

asmodeus224: look into his cold dead eyes


Like a doll's eyes.
 
2012-10-03 12:21:58 PM
FTFA: Todd Rogers, a behavioral psychologist at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, got interested in looking at pivots, or dodges, or whatever you want to call them, after watching the 2004 Bush-Kerry debate I quoted earlier. To him, the dodging on both sides of that debate was enraging, and he couldn't understand why others didn't feel the same. To figure it out, he decided to do a study that tried to replicate what typical viewers see when they watch a debate.

Here comes the science!
 
2012-10-03 12:22:05 PM

quatchi: ftfa: This led Rogers to the conclusion that people are capable of detecting dodges - but only if they're egregious. They don't seem capable of detecting subtle evasions.

[i293.photobucket.com image 300x384]

Getting a real kick out of this thread.


/golf clap
 
2012-10-03 12:22:17 PM

theknuckler_33: asmodeus224: look into his cold dead eyes

Like a doll's eyes.


We're gonna need a bigger podium.
 
2012-10-03 12:24:31 PM

mrshowrules: blastoh: This is why we need Bill Maher and Jon Stewart to modify debates.
Because as soon as they finished their answer, there would be a follow up of, "OK, but that is not the question I asked. Now answer the farking question."

Get the chick from the Weakest Link.


Oh, I would offer up 20 bucks on Pay Per View for that.

4 debates, and we coulkd have the debt paid off.
 
2012-10-03 12:24:49 PM

Elandriel: My hopes are he doesn't stray too far down the pander-hole.


I try to avoid spending too much time playing World of Warcraft - Mists of Panderia, too.
 
2012-10-03 12:25:45 PM

mrshowrules: //I can also pivot an Fark post into a poop thread


It's a skill you gain as a Total*Farker.

*turns to audience* And for just $5 a month, you, too, can learn this valuable skill!
 
2012-10-03 12:25:56 PM
They often border on outright lying, but walk a fine line of saying something just nebulously insubstantial enough that they can't be called an outright liar. However in Mitt's case he should just say whatever he thinks will pick up the most votes because tomorrow he's not lying, he's just rebooting.
 
2012-10-03 12:26:53 PM

theknuckler_33: asmodeus224: look into his cold dead eyes

Like a doll's eyes.


Your soul...he wants it.

/now face off with him in front of 50 million voters with your entire election on the line (for romney at least)
 
2012-10-03 12:28:05 PM

blastoh: This is why we need Bill Maher and Jon Stewart to modify debates.
Because as soon as they finished their answer, there would be a follow up of, "OK, but that is not the question I asked. Now answer the farking question."


And that's why it will never happen.
 
2012-10-03 12:28:29 PM

jasimo: /golf clap


*tips chapeau towards Jasimo and puts back on at an even jauntier angle*

Seriously amazed I got to that bit first. Farkers are fast with the funneh.

/A'ight. On that note I'mma outtie for a bit.
//Back before 6 pm Pacific/9 pm Eastern, obviously.
 
2012-10-03 12:33:11 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Also known as 'how to annoy the hell out of your audience' by avoiding anything of substance.


Yep. Which is why Romney could actually look good tonight.
 
2012-10-03 12:33:53 PM

give me doughnuts: Simply give the moderator a paint-ball gun, and every time one of the candidates tries to pull this shiat, they get shot.


www.rawstory.com
"Bring it, Lehrer!"
 
2012-10-03 12:34:04 PM

give me doughnuts: Simply give the moderator a paint-ball gun, and every time one of the candidates tries to pull this shiat, they get shot.


I would also accept: an intern standing next to each candidate, supplied with either a seltzer bottle or a tazer.
 
2012-10-03 12:34:19 PM

DesertZephyr: Coder: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 403x403]
Would like to raise the level of debate

Jeff Daniels???


Will McAvoy
 
2012-10-03 12:35:09 PM

NeoCortex42: give me doughnuts: Simply give the moderator a paint-ball gun, and every time one of the candidates tries to pull this shiat, they get shot.

I would also accept: an intern standing next to each candidate, supplied with either a seltzer bottle or a tazer.


Whipped cream pies?

I think we ON to something here!!!
 
2012-10-03 12:44:07 PM

pdieten: Sybarite: It certainly helps to have a toothless moderator and arbitrary time limits that assure you can stretch your bullshiat until the red light comes on.

Possibly relevant:
Link

And guess what? Moderators don't matter.



They certainly don't matter when both sides have negotiated a secret contract prior to the debate making absolutely certain nothing out of their control happens.

18 PRO-DEMOCRACY GROUPS CALL ON PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE COMMISSION TO MAKE SECRET CONTRACT PUBLIC

The Commission on Presidential Debates damages out democracy in a very real way.
 
2012-10-03 12:52:26 PM
What's particularly infuriating is that when candidates do this, the moderate never pushes them, saying, "that's not the question I asked. What I asked was..." They get much more of a grilling on the Sunday morning shows, but heaven forbid, that during primetime, someone points out that they're refusing to answer a question.
 
2012-10-03 01:00:27 PM
FTA: To him, the dodging on both sides of that debate was enraging, and he couldn't understand why others didn't feel the same.



I do. Enraged.
 
2012-10-03 01:05:18 PM

thornhill: What's particularly infuriating is that when candidates do this, the moderate never pushes them, saying, "that's not the question I asked. What I asked was..." They get much more of a grilling on the Sunday morning shows, but heaven forbid, that during primetime, someone points out that they're refusing to answer a question.


I think Gwen Ifil (or however you spell her last name) pointed out that the moderator isn't there to do the debaters' job for them.
 
2012-10-03 01:07:03 PM
i.imgur.com

Oooooooooo I just love to dance a sidestep
 
2012-10-03 01:10:41 PM
I have this ongoing fantasy of debates enforced Thunderdrome style. We'd have an enforcer standing on stage behind the candidates. The first offense for pivoting gets you a verbal warning, and the question asked again. The second pivot gets you a punch in the gut from the enforcer. On the third pivot, he breaks one of the offending candidates fingers. Next one, he cracks a few ribs. This continues to escalate with increasing damage for each additional offense. After ten offenses, or if the candidate refuses to continue/answer, he is executed.

Barbaric? Extreme? Yes. But short of a scenario like this, I see no circumstance in which politicians will willingly engage in debates of substance. Under my dream scenario, anyone unwilling to legitimately debate the issues would be highly discouraged from running at all, lest they be crippled or killed at the hands of the enforcer. We'd get a much better breed of candidates and an honest discussion of the issues. Finally.
 
2012-10-03 01:10:58 PM

theknuckler_33: NeoCortex42: give me doughnuts: Simply give the moderator a paint-ball gun, and every time one of the candidates tries to pull this shiat, they get shot.

I would also accept: an intern standing next to each candidate, supplied with either a seltzer bottle or a tazer.

Whipped cream pies?

I think we ON to something here!!!


Throw in a little Yakuza style finger-chopping, and we'll have a real party.
 
2012-10-03 01:11:51 PM
Pfft. I'm gonna call it "the twist" so I can at least have a theme song to go with it.
 
2012-10-03 01:21:28 PM
have the official drinking rules for the debate been posted yet?
 
2012-10-03 01:28:56 PM
i.cdn.turner.com

pivot? pbbbbt! Wait till' they see my drop-step
 
2012-10-03 01:33:00 PM

Nurglitch: thornhill: What's particularly infuriating is that when candidates do this, the moderate never pushes them, saying, "that's not the question I asked. What I asked was..." They get much more of a grilling on the Sunday morning shows, but heaven forbid, that during primetime, someone points out that they're refusing to answer a question.

I think Gwen Ifil (or however you spell her last name) pointed out that the moderator isn't there to do the debaters' job for them.


But the rules of the debate are that the debaters cannot talk to each other. All the party can do in their 1 minute response is say that the candidate didn't answer the question.
 
2012-10-03 01:35:37 PM

randomjsa: As stated, if Romney wins you will think he stood on stage by himself as we go in to full 'How bad Romney is' mode, if its a tie it will be 'Obama did well and here's all the bad things Romney did' and if Obama wins it will be 'How great Obama is how how unprepared and terrible Romney is'

You will never hear how 'bad' Obama was no matter how it turns out.


Did you steal a time machine from our negro president?
 
2012-10-03 01:36:25 PM

thornhill: What's particularly infuriating is that when candidates do this, the moderate never pushes them, saying, "that's not the question I asked. What I asked was..." They get much more of a grilling on the Sunday morning shows, but heaven forbid, that during primetime, someone points out that they're refusing to answer a question.


farkING THIS.

THIS IS WHY I CAN'T WATCH DEBATES!!!
 
2012-10-03 01:42:22 PM
www.jesseshunting.com 

/bit of a reach
 
2012-10-03 01:45:21 PM

had98c: This is how it's done


+1. very funny

/but sorta sad to
 
2012-10-03 02:10:04 PM
It helps greatly to read the transcript of the debate afterwards, but of course most people won't have the time or patience to do that. That's why the moderator is supposed to not be a complete pushover.

Great article, there's a lot of cognitive trickery going on in politics and any effort to seriously demystify it is very welcome.
 
2012-10-03 02:17:49 PM
They need something akin to Miss Sweetie Poo at the Ig Nobel Prize ceremonies. Instead of monitoring speakers who exceed time limits, she could watch for pivots, and say "Please stop. Answer the question."
 
2012-10-03 02:19:23 PM

Wyalt Derp: I'm sure somebody will be along to try and pivot this into an "Obama bad" thread anytime soon.


You hardly notice when Obama pivots when he uses a teleprompter. But when he goes off-script, it's really obvious. Maybe its because Obama didn't have much practice speaking to an educated audience when he was a community organizer instead of an effective job creator and business leader like Mitt Romney...
 
2012-10-03 02:27:48 PM
So no zingers, then?

I was looking forward to some zingers.
 
2012-10-03 02:41:09 PM
Maybe we can have someone tally up the pivots from the debates. My guess is that they will be pretty high.
 
2012-10-03 02:48:33 PM
Solution: Jeremy Paxman. He wouldn't let them get away with that shiat.
 
Ant
2012-10-03 03:09:50 PM
We need real moderators who won't let them get away with that shiat.
 
Ant
2012-10-03 03:13:46 PM

Citrate1007: How Politicians Get Away With Dodging The Question

Journalism is dead?


That.

News caster: "And today in other news, so-and-so said such-and-such, and some other guy said something else. We have no idea if either one of them is telling the truth, and we're not going to bother finding out"
 
2012-10-03 03:26:54 PM

Ant: We need real moderators who won't let them get away with that shiat.


Let the moderator do his thing but they should have a balanced panel that only determines only if the Candidate answers the question. For instance, if a candidate has 5 minutes for a response and doesn't answer the question directly, they lose 2 minutes from their response time on the next question and instead they award an additional 2 minutes to their opponent to use as they see fit.
 
2012-10-03 03:38:01 PM

Ant: Citrate1007: How Politicians Get Away With Dodging The Question

Journalism is dead?

That.

News caster: "And today in other news, so-and-so said such-and-such, and some other guy said something else. We have no idea if either one of them is telling the truth, and we're not going to bother finding out"


I still can't stand it any time a news program uses the phrases "Let's see what the comments on Twitter make of this" or "____ has been viewed xxx times on YouTube". CNN is horrible about this, but I've been noticing more and more news shows doing the same thing.

Ant: We need real moderators who won't let them get away with that shiat.


My ideal moderator for a debate is a near-retirement broadcaster who can afford to burn his bridges. The problem right now is that any moderator (and interviewers) can't get too aggressive, or they risk not getting anybody to come on their shows later. I would love to see what a "one month away from retirement" Brian Williams could do at a debate as a moderator.
 
2012-10-03 10:05:18 PM
I listened to a science podcast recently where a researcher found that if you post the question on the screen and keep it there while they're answering, people watching have a much easier time recognizing when the the politician is pivoting. Two groups were shown the same video of a pivot. The group that saw the question on the screen had lower approval of the politician than the other. Something as simple as that, if it becomes a standard for debates, could help eliminate this crap.
 
2012-10-04 02:26:51 AM

bill_01915: I listened to a science podcast recently where a researcher found that if you post the question on the screen and keep it there while they're answering, people watching have a much easier time recognizing when the the politician is pivoting. Two groups were shown the same video of a pivot. The group that saw the question on the screen had lower approval of the politician than the other. Something as simple as that, if it becomes a standard for debates, could help eliminate this crap.


That's a great suggestion; someone go back in time and implement it yesterday!
 
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