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(Huffington Post)   After further review from the booth, Paul Ryan has overturned the ruling on the field. Now, it's just 30% instead of 47% who don't care for the American Dream. Good to know   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 116
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2012-10-03 08:54:40 AM
That poor chicken.
 
2012-10-03 08:59:41 AM
lh5.ggpht.com
 
2012-10-03 09:02:38 AM
I'll bet more than 30% of people support social security, medicare, the VA, and the host of tax credits the middle class makes use of.
 
2012-10-03 09:13:16 AM
So...only 100,000,000 people instead of 158,000,000?

That's still a LOT of people, you know. That's the entire population of the US in WWII. That's Canada and France combined. That's enough people to make the 12th largest country in the world by population.

I think the GOP actually got lucky here: '47%' is a small number; if Romney had said 'there's 158 million Americans who are useless to me', methinks he would be in a faaar deeper hole.
 
2012-10-03 09:15:01 AM
That's not class warfare at all.
 
2012-10-03 09:21:24 AM
Oh, and might I add, it's not divisive either.
 
2012-10-03 09:25:06 AM
If I read that right he said 70% of people get more benefits than they pay for and 30% of those want it that way, so doing the math... carry the potato... 21% of Americans.

I actually believe quite a few people are really welfare leeches abusing the system but that number seems quite high.
 
2012-10-03 09:27:22 AM

Quasar: carry the potato


Remind me to hit the "funny" button once this goes green. For now, it's jut your farky.
 
2012-10-03 09:29:03 AM

Diogenes: That's not class warfare at all.


of course not, class warfare is only when the poors forget their place
 
2012-10-03 09:33:20 AM

Quasar: If I read that right he said 70% of people get more benefits than they pay for and 30% of those want it that way, so doing the math... carry the potato... 21% of Americans.

I actually believe quite a few people are really welfare leeches abusing the system but that number seems quite high.


What he said was: "The good news is survey after survey, poll after poll, still shows that we are a center-right 70-30 country. Seventy percent of Americans want the American dream. They believe in the American idea. Only 30 percent want their welfare state."

I didn't read that the same way you did. He's saying 30 percent of all Americans want a welfare state, not just those who are currently leeches. Theoretically, his 30% could include some "middle class" people who make $250,000 a year.
It sounds like a feasible number to me. Nobody wants to pay their fair share of taxes. Just make some rich guy do it for you.
 
2012-10-03 09:40:30 AM

serial_crusher: Nobody wants to pay their fair share of taxes. Just make some rich guy do it for you.


No, I just want them to pay the same effective rate as I do. And to forgo corporate welfare for their industries that that they seem to feel they're entitled to.
 
2012-10-03 09:43:57 AM

Quasar: If I read that right he said 70% of people get more benefits than they pay for and 30% of those want it that way, so doing the math... carry the potato... 21% of Americans.

I actually believe quite a few people are really welfare leeches abusing the system but that number seems quite high.


That number is about as accurate as their claims of lots of people committing in-person voter fraud. And they're whining about both for the same reason.
 
2012-10-03 09:49:43 AM

Quasar: If I read that right he said 70% of people get more benefits than they pay for and 30% of those want it that way, so doing the math... carry the potato... 21% of Americans.

I actually believe quite a few people are really welfare leeches abusing the system but that number seems quite high.



It's pretty simple math: divide this year's population by this year's budget and see if the number is greater or less than what you paid in federal taxes.

$3.796 trillion divided by 313 million comes to about 12 grand a head.

So if a family of four pays less than 48 grand in federal income tax, they're moochers.

Given the deficits we're running I'd be surprised if 10 percent were paying in more than they get back in spending. Somebody else can geek it out from here.
 
2012-10-03 09:50:34 AM
So 30% of Americans are government teat suckers that rely on Uncle Sam for their sustenance.

Just like him.
 
2012-10-03 10:14:43 AM
Lowest I can go is 38%, but I can throw in this sweet Stratocaster to sweeten the deal.
 
2012-10-03 10:24:06 AM

serial_crusher: Quasar: If I read that right he said 70% of people get more benefits than they pay for and 30% of those want it that way, so doing the math... carry the potato... 21% of Americans.

I actually believe quite a few people are really welfare leeches abusing the system but that number seems quite high.

What he said was: "The good news is survey after survey, poll after poll, still shows that we are a center-right 70-30 country. Seventy percent of Americans want the American dream. They believe in the American idea. Only 30 percent want their welfare state."

I didn't read that the same way you did. He's saying 30 percent of all Americans want a welfare state, not just those who are currently leeches. Theoretically, his 30% could include some "middle class" people who make $250,000 a year.
It sounds like a feasible number to me. Nobody wants to pay their fair share of taxes. Just make some rich guy do it for you.


"What is a welfare state"? A country that has a social net / benefits for their poor? Isn't that every industrialized country in the world? If you are talking true welfare State, I think Saudia Arabia, Kuwait and UAE and places like that have it.
 
2012-10-03 10:53:59 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-03 11:31:43 AM
Ayn Rand does not approve of bad math. On the other hand, she farked Alan Greenspan.
 
2012-10-03 11:42:07 AM

bdub77: Ayn Rand does not approve of bad math. On the other hand, she farked Alan Greenspan.


She called him the Chairman of the Bed.
 
2012-10-03 11:47:06 AM

bdub77: Ayn Rand does not approve of bad math. On the other hand, she farked Alan Greenspan.


Ewww. Andrea Mitchell got Rand's sloppy seconds. Served on the grotesque platter that is Alan Greenspan.

*hork*
 
2012-10-03 12:23:00 PM

Sybarite: [lh5.ggpht.com image 512x278]


Nah. That title still shared between Harry Reid and Chris Coons from their 2010 Senate races.
 
2012-10-03 12:23:04 PM
Let them eat potato.
 
2012-10-03 12:24:29 PM
Does this mean Count Chocula is automatically President and Obama is sent to work in China at an Abacus factory?
 
2012-10-03 12:24:55 PM
Still whining about Romney telling an uncomfortable truth?
 
2012-10-03 12:25:52 PM
The republican disdain for the poor is palatable. They absolutely hate them, consider them peons, serfs, etc. If you aren't pulling in six figures, you pretty much don't deserve their attention or empathy.

How they keep getting elected in beyond me.
 
2012-10-03 12:26:44 PM
imageshack.us
 
2012-10-03 12:30:02 PM

serial_crusher: What he said was: "The good news is survey after survey, poll after poll, still shows that we are a center-right 70-30 country. Seventy percent of Americans want the American dream. They believe in the American idea. Only 30 percent want their welfare state."


He's saying 70% of the country are centre-right, 30% leftist sloth. Polls are wrong, arrogance still intact. It's a mystery why some find this sour,defensive priss likable.
 
2012-10-03 12:30:21 PM
Wiki:
Americans 308,745,538 ----------- 100.0 %
White or European American 223,553,265 ----------- 72.4 %


Nailed it! But seriously, I'd be totally down to live in a near post-scarcity economy. F*ck spending time doing stuff I don't unreservedly love. Save that shiat for non-sentient automation and robots. 

/blame Obama for my race baiting
 
2012-10-03 12:31:55 PM
Romney/Ryan: A large number of Americans are our sworn enemy.
 
2012-10-03 12:32:30 PM
randomjsa:
imageshack.us
Still whining about Romney telling an uncomfortable truth?
imageshack.us

The Truth about vets, middle income families with kids, people on SS, kids, etc.
 
2012-10-03 12:33:42 PM
Some people are dependent upon the government for all of their income.. like Paul Ryan.

Some people are takers, that don't make anything and just take money.. like Mitt Romney.
 
2012-10-03 12:36:50 PM

Diogenes: Oh, and might I add, it's not divisive either.


That's because most Republicans can't do long division.
 
2012-10-03 12:37:41 PM
30% now? What is the percentage of non-whites in this country?

/just asking questions
 
2012-10-03 12:37:50 PM

randomjsa: Still whining about Romney telling an uncomfortable truth?


The truth that:

a) More people are on government bennies today not because of Obama policies but because of blocked job legislation

b) The "Job Creators" can create jobs based on their cash-on-hand and profits and stock market outlook, but they'd rather look for a more favorable tax outcome on Nov. 6, because that airport hangar on the remote edge of my 3000 acre property doesn't look right without 4 Gulfstream Vs.

?
 
2012-10-03 12:38:52 PM

Raharu: The Truth about vets, middle income families with kids, people on SS, kids, etc.


Also several thousand millionaires.
 
2012-10-03 12:39:08 PM
Meh, this is an old video, and I really need to see what the actually polling he was citing said in order to figure out how badly he was misreading it. Most polls show that there is very little willingness to cut funding to any social service program when you ask people directly about them. I can't imagine an explicit "Do you believe the government has a responsible to care for you cradle to grave or do you believe you should have to work hard to be rewarded with success?" question like Ryan is trying to portray it as would get 30% support. If anyone knew if he used this stat somewhere before where he cited it, it would be good to know. Besides, he doesn't explicitly say anything about the character of those who disagree with him; that's what got Romney in the most trouble.

Honestly I think Romney's mistake of actually offering a tax policy detail today (flat $17,000 deduction) is the story that should be getting more play today, particularly since that definitely constitutes a tax increase for plenty of low and middle income people. That's below poverty for a family of 3.
 
2012-10-03 12:40:30 PM

Raharu: randomjsa:
[imageshack.us image 320x75]
Still whining about Romney telling an uncomfortable truth?
[imageshack.us image 320x144]

The Truth about vets, middle income families with kids, people on SS, kids, etc.


Basically people who would vote more towards Romney (outside the kids).

gifs.gifbin.com

Keep hitting your platform, Mitt. You'll win eventually.
 
2012-10-03 12:42:00 PM

serial_crusher: Quasar: If I read that right he said 70% of people get more benefits than they pay for and 30% of those want it that way, so doing the math... carry the potato... 21% of Americans.

I actually believe quite a few people are really welfare leeches abusing the system but that number seems quite high.

What he said was: "The good news is survey after survey, poll after poll, still shows that we are a center-right 70-30 country. Seventy percent of Americans want the American dream. They believe in the American idea. Only 30 percent want their welfare state."

I didn't read that the same way you did. He's saying 30 percent of all Americans want a welfare state, not just those who are currently leeches. Theoretically, his 30% could include some "middle class" people who make $250,000 a year.
It sounds like a feasible number to me. Nobody wants to pay their fair share of taxes. Just make some rich guy do it for you.


No, what he's saying is that only "Conservatives" want the American dream while the rest of the country )Liberals, I assume) wants to live in a welfare state.
 
2012-10-03 12:46:57 PM
There's nothing left of that chicken but a pile of bloody feathers.
 
2012-10-03 12:50:21 PM
i194.photobucket.com

Dear Vice President Ryan,

After doing the extensive polling you commissioned, we have found that Potato percent of Americans support legalized potatoes. Please do what you must with this information.

Love,
Torg
 
2012-10-03 12:52:42 PM

sweetmelissa31: [i194.photobucket.com image 220x153]

Dear Vice President Ryan,

After doing the extensive polling you commissioned, we have found that Potato percent of Americans support legalized potatoes. Please do what you must with this information.

Love,
Torg


We have found extensive, untapped support for potato in Idaho, which as I'm sure you're aware will play a pivotal role in the upcoming potatolection.
 
2012-10-03 12:52:59 PM
Let me guess. 30% of Americans are either black or Hispanic.
 
2012-10-03 12:55:18 PM
So 17% of us are off the hook? Sweet!
 
2012-10-03 12:55:19 PM

Quasar: If I read that right he said 70% of people get more benefits than they pay for and 30% of those want it that way, so doing the math... carry the potato... 21% of Americans.

I actually believe quite a few people are really welfare leeches abusing the system but that number seems quite high.


Oh, I do, too. And, yeah, that number is pretty damn high. I don't know if 47% 30% 21% whatever percent WANT to be dependent on the state. I think that a lot of these people don't really see a way out, and that trying to elevate one's self to a higher class is too damn hard, so why bother?

I'm also (serious, non-trolling answer this time) wondering if 30% of Americans are clinically depressed.
 
2012-10-03 12:56:25 PM

xanadian: Let me guess. 30% of Americans are either black or Hispanic.


I'm a little ashamed that that was also my first thought. According to the 2010 census data 27.6% of the US is non-white. I was a tad disturbed at how close that number was to 30%
 
2012-10-03 12:56:55 PM

Raharu: randomjsa:
[imageshack.us image 320x75]
Still whining about Romney telling an uncomfortable truth?
[imageshack.us image 320x144]

The Truth about vets, middle income families with kids, people on SS, kids, etc.


Oh, I like that image pair.
 
2012-10-03 12:56:56 PM

qorkfiend: sweetmelissa31: [i194.photobucket.com image 220x153]

Dear Vice President Ryan,

After doing the extensive polling you commissioned, we have found that Potato percent of Americans support legalized potatoes. Please do what you must with this information.

Love,
Torg

We have found extensive, untapped support for potato in Idaho, which as I'm sure you're aware will play a pivotal role in the upcoming potatolection.


The one for POTatoUS?
 
2012-10-03 12:57:26 PM

randomjsa: Still whining about Romney telling an uncomfortable truth?


No, actually, now we're whining about Ryan stating a similar "uncomfortable truth". By the way, "telling an uncomfortable truth" is an awfully strange euphemism for "irreversibly and irrecoverably destroying any last chances of winning the election."
 
2012-10-03 12:58:40 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: serial_crusher: Quasar: If I read that right he said 70% of people get more benefits than they pay for and 30% of those want it that way, so doing the math... carry the potato... 21% of Americans.

I actually believe quite a few people are really welfare leeches abusing the system but that number seems quite high.

What he said was: "The good news is survey after survey, poll after poll, still shows that we are a center-right 70-30 country. Seventy percent of Americans want the American dream. They believe in the American idea. Only 30 percent want their welfare state."

I didn't read that the same way you did. He's saying 30 percent of all Americans want a welfare state, not just those who are currently leeches. Theoretically, his 30% could include some "middle class" people who make $250,000 a year.
It sounds like a feasible number to me. Nobody wants to pay their fair share of taxes. Just make some rich guy do it for you.

No, what he's saying is that only "Conservatives" want the American dream while the rest of the country )Liberals, I assume) wants to live in a welfare state.


Are we all pretending that the American Dream and a social safety net are somehow mutually exclusive? Nobody dreams of being on welfare, but I live in a reality where I want it to be there to help out the folks that made bad decisions about education in their youth or can't work. Social Darwinism is so third-world.
 
2012-10-03 12:59:13 PM

Quasar: carry the potato


Considering how prolific the potatoe jokes are lately, I laughed at that WAY more than I should have.
 
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