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2012-10-03 07:35:10 AM  
What a pisser.
 
2012-10-03 08:25:11 AM  
We recently replaced our stove. Mr.S put it out in the yard and within 24 hours we had people knocking on the door asking if they could haul it away; same thing happened with our dead water heater.
 
2012-10-03 08:52:58 AM  

AbbeySomeone: We recently replaced our stove. Mr.S put it out in the yard and within 24 hours we had people knocking on the door asking if they could haul it away; same thing happened with our dead water heater.


I replace a fridge one time and set the old one by the road with a "free" sign on it. Sat there for 9 freaking days. So I change the sign to "For sale: $50". It was gone in 24 hours.
 
2012-10-03 09:06:42 AM  

AbbeySomeone: We recently replaced our stove. Mr.S put it out in the yard and within 24 hours we had people knocking on the door asking if they could haul it away; same thing happened with our dead water heater.


Happened to me when I was doing an engine swap in one of my old cars. Mexican dude in a truck full of junk walked in to my garage and asked if I had any scrap I wanted hauled away.

I told him if he carried the old engine block by hand, he could have it.

That sumbish did it, although I imagine his yambag blew out shortly thereafter. My buddy and I just laughed as we watched oil pour all over him as he strained with everything he had to get it to his truck. Only took him about 5 minutes to make the 30 or so feet.

/CSB, but good times.
 
2012-10-03 09:17:28 AM  

AbbeySomeone: We recently replaced our stove. Mr.S put it out in the yard and within 24 hours we had people knocking on the door asking if they could haul it away; same thing happened with our dead water heater.


It's the same way here - I got rid of a small (working) window AC unit when I moved to NYC by leaving it on the sidewalk unattended. It was gone within a few minutes.
 
2012-10-03 09:30:31 AM  
crappy situation.
 
2012-10-03 09:33:17 AM  

PallMall: AbbeySomeone: We recently replaced our stove. Mr.S put it out in the yard and within 24 hours we had people knocking on the door asking if they could haul it away; same thing happened with our dead water heater.

Happened to me when I was doing an engine swap in one of my old cars. Mexican dude in a truck full of junk walked in to my garage and asked if I had any scrap I wanted hauled away.

I told him if he carried the old engine block by hand, he could have it.

That sumbish did it, although I imagine his yambag blew out shortly thereafter. My buddy and I just laughed as we watched oil pour all over him as he strained with everything he had to get it to his truck. Only took him about 5 minutes to make the 30 or so feet.

/CSB, but good times.


So what you have a no wheeled cart policy in your garage or do you just enjoy being a douche to strangers?
 
2012-10-03 09:45:24 AM  

AbbeySomeone: We recently replaced our stove. Mr.S put it out in the yard and within 24 hours we had people knocking on the door asking if they could haul it away; same thing happened with our dead water heater.


I put a dead water heater out on the curb and I swear it vanished within 30 minutes. The guys in the old beat up trucks that recycle metal must have radar for this stuff.
 
2012-10-03 09:48:22 AM  
Meth, it's a helluva drug.
 
2012-10-03 09:50:52 AM  
I've put a hot water heater and a window air conditioner out in my alley. Both were gone within an hour. Good for the scrapers taking legit stuff; better than it just rusting away.
 
2012-10-03 09:52:14 AM  
Someone alert Iron Balls McGinty!
 
2012-10-03 10:12:30 AM  

Rufus Lee King: I sincerely hope you're making that up. If not, go die.


ytrewq.com

/ Ain't nuthin' free!
 
2012-10-03 10:17:32 AM  

Egoy3k: So what you have a no wheeled cart policy in your garage or do you just enjoy being a douche to strangers?


I have a "If you're a beggar, you're gonna work for whatever I give you." policy.

1. Dolly would have made his job too easy.
2. The engine only had 60k miles on it.. technically worth a few hundred $$$ in as-is shape. (if he scrapped it, he's a complete moron)
3. I needed a good chuckle, and it came to me.
4. Haters gonna hate!
 
2012-10-03 10:17:48 AM  
The more that people learn to how to recycle scrap metal for cash, the better they get at it.
We are rewarding the wrong behavior by allowing thieves to sell what they steal.

Recently Ga started implementing a law that prevents people from recycling AC coils unless they are licensed.
Mostly this is because churches and public and private buildings were losing large and expensive AC units for someone's fix.

We need more laws like the one I mentioned above. We also need a new branch of law enforcement like the current drug task forces to deal with metal theft crimes.
This is yet another crime that causes more harm than drug use. (even though most are drug users)
 
2012-10-03 10:20:00 AM  
I'll keep this short and sweet.

Had a "Spec Home " ripped off of electrical wire ,plumbing pipe and furnace coils. About $10,000.00 in material and labor repairs. The cooper thieves probably made a few hundred dollars after leaving all this wreckage in their wake.

Sheriff takes report and informs me that gangs actually target these homes and clean them out.

Months later at Recycle Center on Monday dropping off cans, just have to note the Chevy truck with rims loaded with rolls of wire and cooper pipe cut to length. ( Not that plumbers are in the habit of leaving 5' foot length of pipe behind or electricians leave spools of 12/2 wire.

Recycle Centers are just criminal fronts receiving and reselling valauable goods from a stable of thieves.
 
2012-10-03 10:23:43 AM  

Egoy3k: So what you have a no wheeled cart policy in your garage or do you just enjoy being a douche to strangers?

Rufus Lee King: I sincerely hope you're making that up. If not, go die.


I may be hard, but I'm fair.. and treat everyone equally.

I'm sure you guys would have wanted me to carry it out there myself and load it on to his truck for him, then shake his hand and wave as he went on down the road.

Sorry, but if I'm going to give up something of value, I better get something for it.. even if it is a laugh and a memory.
 
2012-10-03 10:26:18 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Recycle Centers are just criminal fronts receiving and reselling valauable goods from a stable of thieves.


Exactly... scrap yards don't care how the materials get there, and laws making it harder on thieves make it harder on scrap yards too. Money trumps morals and ethics, so don't expect these scrap yards to enforce those laws.
 
2012-10-03 10:29:06 AM  

rev. dave: The more that people learn to how to recycle scrap metal for cash, the better they get at it.
We are rewarding the wrong behavior by allowing thieves to sell what they steal.

Recently Ga started implementing a law that prevents people from recycling AC coils unless they are licensed.
Mostly this is because churches and public and private buildings were losing large and expensive AC units for someone's fix.

We need more laws like the one I mentioned above. We also need a new branch of law enforcement like the current drug task forces to deal with metal theft crimes.
This is yet another crime that causes more harm than drug use. (even though most are drug users)


NO

No new laws, Repeal the drug laws so these guys can get their fix cheaply and get access to help.

Last thing we need is people restricted with yet another set of hoops, fees and licensing to do the right thing while it fails to stop the small handful of people gaming the system.  Laws like these just become a new source of taxation as it's easier to claim you've fixed the problem by charging people $50 bucks to properly dispose of an AC unit, than it is to enforce existing laws against theft and vandalism.

A couple of insurance claims is a hell of a lot better for society than standing up yet another gov agency/Task force to deal with a fringe crime
 
2012-10-03 10:41:30 AM  

rev. dave: The more that people learn to how to recycle scrap metal for cash, the better they get at it.
We are rewarding the wrong behavior by allowing thieves to sell what they steal.

Recently Ga started implementing a law that prevents people from recycling AC coils unless they are licensed.
Mostly this is because churches and public and private buildings were losing large and expensive AC units for someone's fix.

We need more laws like the one I mentioned above. We also need a new branch of law enforcement like the current drug task forces to deal with metal theft crimes.
This is yet another crime that causes more harm than drug use. (even though most are drug users)


We already have a law in place that covers this. It's called the "Don't take other people's shiat without permission" law. Fortunately (or unortunately depending on your pov), the real stupid ones tend to Darwin themselves. So we have that going for us. Which is nice, I guess.

/came for a 'clean getaway' joke
//Fark, I am disappoint
 
2012-10-03 10:52:42 AM  
Cincinnati scrap laws: Photo ID, signature & inked thumbprint on bill of sale, digital pic shot by scrapyard @ time of sale. Seems to work; nothing's foolproof- some say the stolen scrap just crosses the river into Kentucky.
These laws were brought about by a harsh need. Most rooftop AC units here are housed within iron bar cages.
 
2012-10-03 10:53:30 AM  
I have a bait water heater. Sits in a closet off the kitchen patio just on the other side of the muck room. The wires at top are stripped and clearly not connected to anything, but everything else is live. As soon as they touch it...bzzzzzt. It's not enough to kill unless it's been raining.
 
2012-10-03 11:06:28 AM  

PallMall: Egoy3k: So what you have a no wheeled cart policy in your garage or do you just enjoy being a douche to strangers?

I have a "If you're a beggar, you're gonna work for whatever I give you." policy.

1. Dolly would have made his job too easy.
2. The engine only had 60k miles on it.. technically worth a few hundred $$$ in as-is shape. (if he scrapped it, he's a complete moron)
3. I needed a good chuckle, and it came to me.
4. Haters gonna hate!


PallMall: I'm sure you guys would have wanted me to carry it out there myself and load it on to his truck for him, then shake his hand and wave as he went on down the road.


No, but not using the down on his luck guy offering to take garbage away guy for your own personal amusement would be nice. If the engine was valuable to you and not scrap then you should have sent the guy on his way empty handed. If it's useless then let the guy get it out of your way and go on about his day. imposing arbitrary rules for your own amusement just means you are a terrible human being.

I'm sure your insurance would have been really pleased with you if this guy had manged to injure himself on your property all so you could have a laugh.
 
2012-10-03 11:12:25 AM  
Taking wire out of streetlights, guardrail from unopened roads, even cast iron grates and manhole covers, happens in the poorer parts of towns around here. Unoccupied new homes get the "strip the wires and copper pipe" treatment as well. Guardrail on bridges is often aluminum for weight purposes; that too has been stolen. Over in Portland someone stole the wiring out of an overhead track for commuter rail.

I can see recycling centers taking wire, but manhole covers? Guardrail and cast iron grates? It's not like everyone has these laying around their houses, people.
 
2012-10-03 11:13:22 AM  

Egoy3k: PallMall: Egoy3k: So what you have a no wheeled cart policy in your garage or do you just enjoy being a douche to strangers?

I have a "If you're a beggar, you're gonna work for whatever I give you." policy.

1. Dolly would have made his job too easy.
2. The engine only had 60k miles on it.. technically worth a few hundred $$$ in as-is shape. (if he scrapped it, he's a complete moron)
3. I needed a good chuckle, and it came to me.
4. Haters gonna hate!

PallMall: I'm sure you guys would have wanted me to carry it out there myself and load it on to his truck for him, then shake his hand and wave as he went on down the road.

No, but not using the down on his luck guy offering to take garbage away guy for your own personal amusement would be nice. If the engine was valuable to you and not scrap then you should have sent the guy on his way empty handed. If it's useless then let the guy get it out of your way and go on about his day. imposing arbitrary rules for your own amusement just means you are a terrible human being.

I'm sure your insurance would have been really pleased with you if this guy had manged to injure himself on your property all so you could have a laugh.


Uptight much?

/it was funny
//get a life
 
2012-10-03 11:15:07 AM  
this is why we need cameras in every public restroom
 
2012-10-03 11:18:53 AM  

Egoy3k: No, but not using the down on his luck guy offering to take garbage away guy for your own personal amusement would be nice. If the engine was valuable to you and not scrap then you should have sent the guy on his way empty handed. If it's useless then let the guy get it out of your way and go on about his day. imposing arbitrary rules for your own amusement just means you are a terrible human being.

I'm sure your insurance would have been really pleased with you if this guy had manged to injure himself on your property all so you could have a laugh.


Who said he was down on his luck? He had a running vehicle full of scrap.. probably something he does on the weekends to score extra dough.

The engine was valuable.. I was paying a premium for a laugh, and he made some money by being a part of that. It's a win/win as far as I'm concerned.

"Imposing arbitrary rules for your own amusement" means I'm a terrible human being? That's laughable. Everyone laughs at whatever they want to, there's no rule structure do it. You're the ultimate asshat for even saying something like that.

As far as insurance goes... if he'd have been injured, I'd have just gone inside and later told police/insurance adjusters/whatever that he stole it. He didn't speak any English (but I speak Spanish) so I assume he was illegal anyway. I'm an upstanding member of my community... in a my-word-vs-his-word scenario, I'd take the win. If you want to walk on to my property and into my garage without permission on a weekend - when I'm relaxing - then expect the unexpected from me... you may even have to carry a free engine away if you want it bad enough.

Why don't you stop wasting both of our time with your wanna-be schooling and go back to being whatever sort of mutant you generally are. We can't all share your sense of humor or opinion.
 
2012-10-03 11:21:22 AM  
PallMall

I recognize your right to get your jollies any way you see fit, as long as it didn't infringe on the rights of others. But also, I feel compelled to say that what you did to that poor guy, making him haul that stuff out *by hand*, knowing that it could severely injure him, either right then or pretty soon after, was a dick move. Maybe it's just me, but if I were in your position, I'd feel kinda guilty about that, and want to make amends for karma's sake. Maybe the next time you see a scrapper, give 'em a hand, tip 'em off to some nice scrap, or throw 'em some small amount of cash, all with the explanation that you were kinda dickish to another scrapper many moons ago, and you'd like to balance karma out.
 
2012-10-03 11:29:08 AM  
THis ain't new news, if it ain't bolted down, and even then metal thieves (usually methheads) will run off with it


Been to the bathroom before where this has happened over the years
 
2012-10-03 11:29:17 AM  

SweetBearCub: PallMall

I recognize your right to get your jollies any way you see fit, as long as it didn't infringe on the rights of others. But also, I feel compelled to say that what you did to that poor guy, making him haul that stuff out *by hand*, knowing that it could severely injure him, either right then or pretty soon after, was a dick move. Maybe it's just me, but if I were in your position, I'd feel kinda guilty about that, and want to make amends for karma's sake. Maybe the next time you see a scrapper, give 'em a hand, tip 'em off to some nice scrap, or throw 'em some small amount of cash, all with the explanation that you were kinda dickish to another scrapper many moons ago, and you'd like to balance karma out.


Well, I don't feel guilty. I still get a chuckle when I think about it. I'm sure if I called my buddy who was there with me, he'd still laugh about it too.

I didn't make him do anything. He could've walked away, but he knew he could score big on a FREE engine. If you want something bad enough, you'll suck it up and go for it. You'd all be laughing if you saw how strained the guy was, and when the oil started pouring out on his shirt and pants, I almost fell out completely. He must have dropped that thing 20 times, and let out a pained grunt at every lift attempt (it was a heavy ass engine).

The only thing that could have made it funnier was if his pants ripped, or if he suffered a prolapsed anus on the spot.

As far as karma goes.. I've led one hell of a life. Karma has been paid in advance for whatever I may do now, or in the future.

And if a bum wants something from me, they've gotta work for it. Ain't nuthin' free!
 
2012-10-03 11:36:16 AM  
No, you didn't *make* him do anything, but you know that if you hadn't insisted that he move it by hand, he would have come back with a dolly PDQ. I can't say that I would have laughed at him, hell I would have felt kinda bad. If the engine was worth some cash, as you say, why not dispose of it yourself?
 
2012-10-03 11:41:34 AM  
PallMall: AbbeySomeone: We recently replaced our stove. Mr.S put it out in the yard and within 24 hours we had people knocking on the door asking if they could haul it away; same thing happened with our dead water heater.

Happened to me when I was doing an engine swap in one of my old cars. Mexican dude in a truck full of junk walked in to my garage and asked if I had any scrap I wanted hauled away.

I told him if he carried the old engine block by hand, he could have it.

That sumbish did it, although I imagine his yambag blew out shortly thereafter. My buddy and I just laughed as we watched oil pour all over him as he strained with everything he had to get it to his truck. Only took him about 5 minutes to make the 30 or so feet.

/CSB, but good times.


What a weakling, I've loaded an engine into my truck without taking 5 min to go 30 feet, and it was a fracking big block.

The gym in 26 minutes, I have to be there.
 
2012-10-03 11:51:59 AM  

SweetBearCub: WHHARRRRGARBL!


The engine was in my garage. There was no scrap outside. He noticed that we were working on a vehicle and decided it was okay to just waltz in to my garage (AT MY HOME) without asking permission and start looking around. Once I noticed him, he asked if I had anything I wanted hauled off.

I initially planned to sell off the engine, but figured it was worth more to see this guy try to carry it off than to post an ad for it somewhere. Not sure what Magnum 5.9L's go for nowadays, but I imagine it was worth at least $300 on eBay for the short block at the time.

Obviously, making $300 for 20 minutes of back-breaking labor was worth it to him, and me too. Why the fark would I want him to come back with a dolly? I had one in the garage, but not for his use. I was paying him the equivalent of $300 for a good laugh.

Needless to say, I never saw that guy again. Maybe he got out of the scrap business.

If you want to feel guilty, go right ahead. Take the guilt I should feel and roll around with that for a while.
 
2012-10-03 12:19:33 PM  
I do not feel guilt for your actions. Nice try, though. I can tell you're a guy who likes to pawn stuff off on other people. I'll be leaving this conversation now, since I tire of talking to brick walls.
 
2012-10-03 12:28:16 PM  

SweetBearCub: I do not feel guilt for your actions. Nice try, though. I can tell you're a guy who likes to pawn stuff off on other people. I'll be leaving this conversation now, since I tire of talking to brick walls.


ytrewq.com
 
2012-10-03 12:30:47 PM  
This idiot figures he's Kohler than everybody else for doing this.
 
2012-10-03 12:39:21 PM  

MattyBlast: This idiot figures he's Kohler than everybody else for doing this.


Zing!
 
2012-10-03 12:43:29 PM  
PallMall -- well played!

i1146.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-03 12:57:10 PM  

SweetBearCub: I do not feel guilt for your actions. Nice try, though. I can tell you're a guy who likes to pawn stuff off on other people. I'll be leaving this conversation now, since I tire of talking to brick walls.


Or rather...

ytrewq.com
 
2012-10-03 02:43:58 PM  

Bendal: Taking wire out of streetlights, guardrail from unopened roads, even cast iron grates and manhole covers, happens in the poorer parts of towns around here. Unoccupied new homes get the "strip the wires and copper pipe" treatment as well. Guardrail on bridges is often aluminum for weight purposes; that too has been stolen. Over in Portland someone stole the wiring out of an overhead track for commuter rail.

I can see recycling centers taking wire, but manhole covers? Guardrail and cast iron grates? It's not like everyone has these laying around their houses, people.


Most scrappers seem to be owned and operated by felons or gang members, at least around here, and exist primarily on CRV and copper & platinum theft. Prosecuting them would do infinitely more for the problem than prosecuting the tweakers stealing shiat. New thieves will replace the old ones every time, but it takes a while to get a scrapping operation going.

So yeah, I strongly support a task force that going after crooked scrappers.
 
2012-10-03 03:16:56 PM  

Egoy3k: PallMall: AbbeySomeone: We recently replaced our stove. Mr.S put it out in the yard and within 24 hours we had people knocking on the door asking if they could haul it away; same thing happened with our dead water heater.

Happened to me when I was doing an engine swap in one of my old cars. Mexican dude in a truck full of junk walked in to my garage and asked if I had any scrap I wanted hauled away.

I told him if he carried the old engine block by hand, he could have it.

That sumbish did it, although I imagine his yambag blew out shortly thereafter. My buddy and I just laughed as we watched oil pour all over him as he strained with everything he had to get it to his truck. Only took him about 5 minutes to make the 30 or so feet.

/CSB, but good times.

So what you have a no wheeled cart policy in your garage or do you just enjoy being a douche to strangers?


bend and scoop boy bend and scoop
 
2012-10-03 04:34:42 PM  

SevenizGud: I have a bait water heater. Sits in a closet off the kitchen patio just on the other side of the muck room. The wires at top are stripped and clearly not connected to anything, but everything else is live. As soon as they touch it...bzzzzzt. It's not enough to kill unless it's been raining.


You realize that if someone gets killed by that thing, even if they were stealing it, you go to jail for premeditated murder?
 
2012-10-03 08:33:43 PM  
Scrap thieves will take anything shiny and metallic it seems. One of the posters on the Lathe Trolls forums told how he had the copper steam pipes stolen from his record pressing plant not once, but Three Times! The last time they smashed through a brick wall with their truck after he electrified the doors and windows.
 
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