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(Philly Burbs)   For a couple days, an old lady with dementia forgot that she didn't need to make dinner for her husband... because he was dead... because she shot him to death   (phillyburbs.com) divider line 28
    More: Unlikely, Burlington County, possession of a weapon, dementia, New Jersey Public Defender  
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2012-10-03 11:45:21 AM  
Wasn't that the ending to Memento?
 
2012-10-03 11:45:46 AM  
cdn.mos.totalfilm.com
 
2012-10-03 11:45:54 AM  

snake_beater: Wasn't that the ending to Memento?


John G. is whoever you want him to be, man.
 
2012-10-03 11:46:47 AM  
half the sky
 
2012-10-03 11:48:06 AM  
I swear to God this was on an episode of Columbo.
 
2012-10-03 11:52:23 AM  
"There is a dead women in my kitchen."

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2012-10-03 11:57:00 AM  
The perfect crime
 
2012-10-03 12:02:10 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-03 12:03:27 PM  
Poor Mrs. Robinson.
 
2012-10-03 12:10:21 PM  
It may sound callous, but seriously, just execute this person.

She's not cognizant enough to realize she killed her husband, or that he was dead.

As such, she cannot possibly be considered "safe" enough to live on her own, drive a car, pay bills, keep a house, etc.

(If she and her family are playing up the "dementia" card and she IS cognizant, well, I just feel all the more strongly about ending her.

I cannot believe she's self-supporting, especially without her husband.

What good can come of keeping this person alive on the taxpayer dime, either in prison or any asylum for the next 5-20 years?

Seriously, I'm asking: what good can come of it?
 
2012-10-03 12:14:44 PM  
Authorities have said there were no records of domestic violence in the Rosas' home before the shooting, although they had spoken to the couple.

Different age where you simply live with the cards that have been dealt.
 
2012-10-03 12:16:35 PM  

grinding_journalist: Seriously, I'm asking: what good can come of it?


She can't keep a house, kill her off. Just send her out on the ice flow like all of the other elders, amirite?
 
2012-10-03 12:18:51 PM  

grinding_journalist:

What good can come of keeping this person alive on the taxpayer dime, either in prison or any asylum for the next 5-20 years?

Seriously, I'm asking: what good can come of it?


Shouldn't this decision be left up to one of Obama's Death Panels?
 
2012-10-03 12:23:40 PM  
Sad story. Impressed she could handle a .357. That's a big effin' gun for an old lady.

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2012-10-03 12:28:15 PM  

grinding_journalist: It may sound callous, but seriously, just execute this person


After seeing dementia happen to my grandfather on my mom's side and my grandma on my dad's side, I gotta say that you better hope and pray that it never happens to you.

And meet your new status. Bye. Forever.
 
2012-10-03 12:29:32 PM  

dv-ous: "There is a dead women in my kitchen."

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Great movie. So underappreciated usually.
 
2012-10-03 12:33:39 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: grinding_journalist: Seriously, I'm asking: what good can come of it?

She can't keep a house, kill her off. Just send her out on the ice flow like all of the other elders, amirite?


As someone caring for an elderly parent I would be the first to sign up. My mom is in constant pain, is hospitalized regularly and has just enough mental acuity to understand her mind is slipping away. I don't know why she doesn't eat a waterglass.
 
2012-10-03 01:13:13 PM  
Family's defence is that she's endured decades of abuse? So nice of them to step in and try to stop it by legal means before, particularly since she had some level of dementia.
 
2012-10-03 01:37:37 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Authorities have said there were no records of domestic violence in the Rosas' home before the shooting, although they had spoken to the couple.

Different age where you simply live with the cards that have been dealt.


Exactly. Nowadays most domestic violence police calls resulted in the arrest of someone. In this lady's age, police wouldn't arrest the abuser unless the victim said they would press charges. Many victims were too afraid to do so because of fear of retaliation.

It's why one of my cousins never called the police when her husband beat the shiat out of her. She knew he'd just beat her twice as hard the next time, perhaps to the point that she'd die. She was very fearful of her sons becoming orphans.

No laws back then that would allow for a more lenient sentence if a wife killed her abusive husband. No protection orders either. It was a different time, very much different from now.
 
2012-10-03 01:50:47 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I swear to God this was on an episode of Columbo.


Forgotten Lady, the only crook Columbo didn't put behind bars.
 
2012-10-03 01:53:55 PM  

octopied: Family's defence is that she's endured decades of abuse? So nice of them to step in and try to stop it by legal means before, particularly since she had some level of dementia.


It's a bit weird. Did they not care she was being abused? Thinking about it, they could be inventing a history of abuse to try and help the widow out, it's not like the dead guy is going to be able to contradict them and depending on how much her dementia has affected her, she might not be able to either.
 
2012-10-03 05:31:59 PM  
diabeetus??
 
2012-10-03 07:21:57 PM  
This reminds me of when my Grandmother started suffering from a form of dementia. She didn't recognize my Grandfather so she started hitting him with her cane and called the police. She had been getting worse for a while but we wanted to keep her at home as long as possible. After that we moved her into a nursing home. We brought her home for some days and on the weekends to stay overnight but she kept deteriorating. Eventually she stayed in the home for good. Then my Grandfather died after a fall caused a broken hip and an infection (with other complications). He was drugged up to manage the pain so I don't know if he knew where he was when he passed. Then about half a year later, on a lovely spring day, my Grandmother passed. I couldn't remember how long it had been since I heard her utter an understandable word. She was surrounded by family but I couldn't see any signs of intelligence in her.

It's because of these events that I believe we all die alone.

I'm thankful for large families. We all pulled together and helped out with the shopping and driving around.
 
2012-10-03 07:55:42 PM  

grinding_journalist: It may sound callous, but seriously, just execute this person.

She's not cognizant enough to realize she killed her husband, or that he was dead.

As such, she cannot possibly be considered "safe" enough to live on her own, drive a car, pay bills, keep a house, etc.

(If she and her family are playing up the "dementia" card and she IS cognizant, well, I just feel all the more strongly about ending her.

I cannot believe she's self-supporting, especially without her husband.

What good can come of keeping this person alive on the taxpayer dime, either in prison or any asylum for the next 5-20 years?

Seriously, I'm asking: what good can come of it?


Perhaps we need to revive Grandparents Day like on 'The Dinosaurs' 1991 TV show. You remember... the families would all have a nice day with the grandparents, then decide if this was the year to toss grandma into the volcano or not?
 
2012-10-03 08:49:36 PM  

bubo_sibiricus: And meet your new status. Bye. Forever.


I get that this person put me on ignore for taking something way too personally, but after seeing dementia take relatives of mine, I wish they could have passed peacefully in their sleep before it set in. I wouldn't wish dementia over death for anyone. I can't see how years of life with dementia is superior to the alternative. I know I feel the same way- if it's ever clear that I'm losing my mind and don't know it, pull the plug, please.

missmez: The My Little Pony Killer: grinding_journalist: Seriously, I'm asking: what good can come of it?

She can't keep a house, kill her off. Just send her out on the ice flow like all of the other elders, amirite?

As someone caring for an elderly parent I would be the first to sign up. My mom is in constant pain, is hospitalized regularly and has just enough mental acuity to understand her mind is slipping away. I don't know why she doesn't eat a waterglass.


Hey, someone who gets it!

/better pull it now hurr hurr
 
2012-10-03 09:58:16 PM  
My dad had Alzheimer's. He would get mad at my mom and hit her and shake her and choke her. Then a few hours later he would see the bruises and be appalled, asking "who did this to you?" When he finally had to be forcibly taken from the house by the police after he almost killed my mom, he asked my husband to find the "bad man" who hurt my mom and "kill him" when he saw my mom's throat covered in bruises that night in the hospital. It was really heartbreaking. He only went after me once--his strength in a rage was inhuman and I absolutely know he could have killed my mother and not remembered once he calmed down. My mom didn't want to put him in a nursing home until she had no choice and she almost paid with her life that day.
So yes, I believe if this lady really had dementia she could have killed her husband and not known it. My dad, when not in a violent dementia rage, was a quiet and calm person who opened the door for bugs rather than kill them.
Of course the family could be lying about the dementia or the abuse; either way that would suck, being abused or having dementia is nothing to lie about.
 
2012-10-04 12:57:34 AM  

Spawn_of_Cthulhu: My dad had Alzheimer's. He would get mad at my mom and hit her and shake her and choke her. Then a few hours later he would see the bruises and be appalled, asking "who did this to you?" When he finally had to be forcibly taken from the house by the police after he almost killed my mom, he asked my husband to find the "bad man" who hurt my mom and "kill him" when he saw my mom's throat covered in bruises that night in the hospital. It was really heartbreaking. He only went after me once--his strength in a rage was inhuman and I absolutely know he could have killed my mother and not remembered once he calmed down. My mom didn't want to put him in a nursing home until she had no choice and she almost paid with her life that day.
So yes, I believe if this lady really had dementia she could have killed her husband and not known it. My dad, when not in a violent dementia rage, was a quiet and calm person who opened the door for bugs rather than kill them.
Of course the family could be lying about the dementia or the abuse; either way that would suck, being abused or having dementia is nothing to lie about.


Similar story when caring for a friend's mother in late-stage Alzheimer's. The lady left bruises and bit me when I gently but firmly restrained her so she couldn't hit me anymore. She was horrified and thought my then-husband had done it - had no memory of it. Can completely believe if the lady in TFA suffers dementia that she could have no memory of having killed her husband.

Of course if the family is lying in either case, they should be biatchslapped (literally and legally). They're making it a thousand times worse for people who actually have dementia or who are being/have been abused.
 
2012-10-04 03:34:43 AM  
Hey did you guys hear about this lady that made dinner for her husband, but he was dead because she shot him to death?
 
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