Girion47: kiwimoogle84: Girion47: kiwimoogle84: Boeheimian Rhapsody: kiwimoogle84: Boeheimian Rhapsody: kiwimoogle84: This goes hand in hand with my beauty pageant/MTG tournament idea. Half her points came from poise and evening gown, the other half came from her ranking in the tournament. I'm thinking EDH format. Which they'd play in their swimsuits and heels only.

I'd win that thing so hard.

I knew i favorited you for a reason :-)

I insist I came in third in the WorldWake prerelease tourney because I was wearing a miniskirt and stiletto boots. Distracted my opponents. Also, I rule at pack wars deck building.

/I yam what I yam

I didn't get to go to the pre-release last weekend. Busy getting married. Although,one of my groomsmen wanted to do the midnight flight, but we talked him out of it. We stayed home that night and played our edh decks (slivers ftw!). Good times :-D

Oh congratulations!

Yeah, slivers are mean. I prefer personally to have a million haste black and red goblins that build on each other much like slivers- I had a deck I built that didn't have a creature that was bigger than 3/3, yet I completely ruled with it thanks to mountainwalk.

I have the keys to your heart.

Check with mr kiwi first, but deal.

/you selling? I need more cards for my goblin only red EDH deck.

I am absolutely selling. Are there specific cards you need or is this going to be a long night typing in all my red/black/artifact cards?

My E is in P.

I have a gilded lotus I'm willing to trade... We'll chat.

Fecacacophany, I was gonna call you on that. You're elevated slightly in my esteem for catching it yourself.

Damn, I would so totally do that, except the last version I played was 2.0. Well, that and I'm a shiatty DM.

/also, I'm pretty sure they were hoping for someone under 45 and 190 lbs.

bhcompy: Farabor: Bah. Real gamers would run Pathfinder!

This is what real gamers use:

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Is that Rolemaster I see?

CeroX: digitalrain: CeroX: Parthenogenetic: xanadian: Now, roll a saving throw against jizzing in your pants.

Fortitude, or Will save?

How does the DM set the appropriate DC?

Discuss.

Well, in Shadowrun, Orgasm is a spell, set against target's will, opposed roll...

Mr. digitalrain and I have a house rule. We role a responsiveness stat (4d6, drop the lowest
but you can do it however you want) and if you roll UNDER, you get off. A roll of a 1 is a multiple.

Male characters deduct 1 from their Resp stat each time they get off, so if their Resp stat is
a 12, then after the first orgasm it becomes an 11, etc...

Makes for messy game sex, what with everyone getting off so often, but its easy to keep
track of.

I guess if i were to actually make a player roll for coming, it would go as such:

Male characters: Agility+Willpower+Modifiers

Female: Body+Charisma+Modifiers

Opposed Extended Test (1 hour)

Male Successes cancel Female Successes, if Female Successes are 0 or negative, she comes. If Male Glitches, premature ejac. otherwise, come at the resolve of the extended test...

You're mixing your RPG platforms :) No Ag or Body in D&D (at least not 2.0 and 3.5).

Why would successes cancel one another out?

sjmcc13: ltdanman44: at least they are playing the only real version of DnD 3.5 LOL, please say that is a joke.
3.5 is probably the worst edition of D&D (to many power balance issues), and the only one that we have one of the creators of D&D on record as saying he did not like

//would play the 2nd edition Players Options series before playing 3.5

The basic 3.x/D20 system is quite serviceable, as testified to by the number of other RPGs that were
based on it. I was actually quite impressed at how much fun D20 MODERN was, in point of fact, even
with the inclusion on old-style level progression.

The problem was that while it was a good framework, it was easily broken by power munchkined
Feats, magic items and prestige classes (WOTC was, of course, one of the prime offenders in this
regard, but other companies were just as guilty), a fault that I've heard has continued in 4E despite
the designers' avowed wishes to put a stop to it.

It plays very well for characters between 5th and 10th level; beyond that it becomes an arms race of
who has the best stat enhancing magical items.

Personally, though, I prefer Chaosium's BRP system.

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I have that exact set, black/purple with gold numbering. My pimp dice.

Mine are what I call "poisoned apple" color. They're red marbled with green, with gold lettering.

They served me well in my most recent D2 character build- half elf bard with a knife-throwing specialty. We start Monday. I haz an excite.


I just started a campaign with friends in Pathfinder. Im playing an Elven Ranger with a hatred for gnolls. I had a blast as I haven't gotten to game for a long time because of my gf.

That's a shame. You should be able to go game once a week at least without your girl giving you grief.

Mr Kiwi is our DM. I'm the half elf bard on a mission to kill my elven father, there's a young paladin, a human cleric, and a human lightning wizard who spazzes out like Tweak from South Park. It's a fun mix.

digitalrain: CeroX: digitalrain: CeroX: Parthenogenetic: xanadian: Now, roll a saving throw against jizzing in your pants.

Fortitude, or Will save?

How does the DM set the appropriate DC?

Discuss.

Well, in Shadowrun, Orgasm is a spell, set against target's will, opposed roll...

Mr. digitalrain and I have a house rule. We role a responsiveness stat (4d6, drop the lowest
but you can do it however you want) and if you roll UNDER, you get off. A roll of a 1 is a multiple.

Male characters deduct 1 from their Resp stat each time they get off, so if their Resp stat is
a 12, then after the first orgasm it becomes an 11, etc...

Makes for messy game sex, what with everyone getting off so often, but its easy to keep
track of.

I guess if i were to actually make a player roll for coming, it would go as such:

Male characters: Agility+Willpower+Modifiers

Female: Body+Charisma+Modifiers

Opposed Extended Test (1 hour)

Male Successes cancel Female Successes, if Female Successes are 0 or negative, she comes. If Male Glitches, premature ejac. otherwise, come at the resolve of the extended test...

You're mixing your RPG platforms :) No Ag or Body in D&D (at least not 2.0 and 3.5).

Why would successes cancel one another out?

That was a straight up Shadowrun 4E ruleset for sex, and a pretty good one too (although I might switch out Charisma for Intuition from what Mrs. Isonomia and other women have told me). Hmmm, considering some of the characters in my current Shadowrun game, I might need to save those rules for later...

Fecacacophany: MythDragon: [www.stevenhumour.com image 540x405]

This. All the "nerdy girl pics" being posted are just adverts and conbooth PR moves to separate basement dwellers from their Dew/Cheeto money. The nerd girls are all on Pintrest and Etsy obsessing over 35-year-old handbags and want nothing to do with guys who aren't Hipster Robert Pattinson In Glasses With A Guitar And A Book OF Poetry They Wrote. That one girl you knew who actually threw D20's back in college outgrew that awkward phase and joined the OMG Shoes/handbag/Newcutecellphone brigade and will deny that they ever really touched a PHB. The bottom line is women don't obsess over the same things guys do and to the extent guys do.

Sexism much?

I'm 26, female and married. I met my husband over World of Warcraft and he flirted with me over a D&D game were every monster we killed had a magic item just for me. We're looking to get a regular group together for D&D again while our lives calm down.

Although I still like shopping I have never obsessed over designer labels, shoes, etc. It's just a waste of money to have a gucci bag or 100+ pairs of shoes IMHO. I'd rather watch Warehouse 13 or MST3K than Real Housewives or Friends or a Chick Flick. I also hated the Notebook.

I grew out of that whole screaming "Look at me I'm not like those other girls!" in high school, I'm just me. I like what I like and you can like what you like.

Stop labeling people based on their parts and look at them as individuals.

shortymac: Fecacacophany: MythDragon: [www.stevenhumour.com image 540x405]

This. All the "nerdy girl pics" being posted are just adverts and conbooth PR moves to separate basement dwellers from their Dew/Cheeto money. The nerd girls are all on Pintrest and Etsy obsessing over 35-year-old handbags and want nothing to do with guys who aren't Hipster Robert Pattinson In Glasses With A Guitar And A Book OF Poetry They Wrote. That one girl you knew who actually threw D20's back in college outgrew that awkward phase and joined the OMG Shoes/handbag/Newcutecellphone brigade and will deny that they ever really touched a PHB. The bottom line is women don't obsess over the same things guys do and to the extent guys do.

Sexism much?

I'm 26, female and married. I met my husband over World of Warcraft and he flirted with me over a D&D game were every monster we killed had a magic item just for me. We're looking to get a regular group together for D&D again while our lives calm down.

Although I still like shopping I have never obsessed over designer labels, shoes, etc. It's just a waste of money to have a gucci bag or 100+ pairs of shoes IMHO. I'd rather watch Warehouse 13 or MST3K than Real Housewives or Friends or a Chick Flick. I also hated the Notebook.

I grew out of that whole screaming "Look at me I'm not like those other girls!" in high school, I'm just me. I like what I like and you can like what you like.

Stop labeling people based on their parts and look at them as individuals.

The gender gap was more pronounced for us Gen' Xers - the stuff you got exposed to as a kid in the 1990s was different than what we experienced in the 1970s and 1980s. Hell, despite the awesomeness of the Atari and NES, even gaming consoles/PCs weren't ubiquitous.

I May Be Crazy But...: kiwimoogle84: a human lightning wizard who spazzes out like Tweak from South Park

Okay, that's pretty funny right there. Last time I played a friend was an androgynous half-elf bard who flirted with every member of the party. He was surprisingly, disturbingly good at it.

I once had a giant paladin who was afraid of magic and spoke in his own language in our game. By the end of months of gaming, he never managed to "learn" our language, we were picking up HIS language by the end of it. It was awesomely fun.

shortymac: Sexism much?

I'm 26, female and married. I met my husband over World of Warcraft and he flirted with me over a D&D game were every monster we killed had a magic item just for me. We're looking to get a regular group together for D&D again while our lives calm down.

Although I still like shopping I have never obsessed over designer labels, shoes, etc. It's just a waste of money to have a gucci bag or 100+ pairs of shoes IMHO. I'd rather watch Warehouse 13 or MST3K than Real Housewives or Friends or a Chick Flick. I also hated the Notebook.

I grew out of that whole screaming "Look at me I'm not like those other girls!" in high school, I'm just me. I like what I like and you can like what you like.

Stop labeling people based on their parts and look at them as individuals.

The important part of that is that you're looking for a D&D Group. is Skype an option for you guys? Because I can always belong to more gaming groups.

//I pretty much didn't bother to read the comments in this thread.

bhcompy: Farabor: Bah. Real gamers would run Pathfinder!

This is what real gamers use:

[www.icewebring.com image 354x464]

*Prepares to use the 400 tables necessary to make a sword attack*
*Screams and runs away instead*

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I have that exact set, black/purple with gold numbering. My pimp dice.

Mine are what I call "poisoned apple" color. They're red marbled with green, with gold lettering.

They served me well in my most recent D2 character build- half elf bard with a knife-throwing specialty. We start Monday. I haz an excite.


I just started a campaign with friends in Pathfinder. Im playing an Elven Ranger with a hatred for gnolls. I had a blast as I haven't gotten to game for a long time because of my gf.

As the DM of our crew (we play twice a month, sometimes three if we can squeeze it in between work, kids, life, football, etc), I have often found that exposing said girlfriend to the reality of Roleplaying can cure that problem. I've DMed "girlfriend intro to RP games" in D&D, Gurps, Vampire, Werewolf... and in a few cases, the girlfriend became a new member of the gaming crew. In others, when the girlfriend stated, "This is the stupidest thing ever, you gotta grow up and stop doing dumb junk like this" - the guy realized she might not be the soul-mate he was looking for...

Course, if you are doing it as a way to escape the clutches of the girlfriend for the night.... might not be a good idea... 

There is nothing quite as awesome as seeing an ex-cheerleader say, "THIS is what you guys were doing? Wow, I should go apologize to the geeks from my high school.. This is FUN!"

Yeah, she doesn't get it. I was making a character for a Star Wars game the other night and she was asking questions and when I would attempt to explain I could just see her eyes glaze over. But I find I don't get to do a lot of the things I would like to do. Its kinda sad really.

You aren't alone. A farker I'm close to here is similar- he sadly has put up all his hobbies and interests into a closet because his wife thinks they're too nerdy. He doesn't get to be himself. I feel bad for him and those like him.

I think everyone in relationships is entitled to THEIR time- if she wants to go have a Sex in the City marathon, you're cool. If you wanna join an amtgard league (I made the BEST flail once) you're cool.

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I have that exact set, black/purple with gold numbering. My pimp dice.

Mine are what I call "poisoned apple" color. They're red marbled with green, with gold lettering.

They served me well in my most recent D2 character build- half elf bard with a knife-throwing specialty. We start Monday. I haz an excite.


I just started a campaign with friends in Pathfinder. Im playing an Elven Ranger with a hatred for gnolls. I had a blast as I haven't gotten to game for a long time because of my gf.

That's a shame. You should be able to go game once a week at least without your girl giving you grief.

Mr Kiwi is our DM. I'm the half elf bard on a mission to kill my elven father, there's a young paladin, a human cleric, and a human lightning wizard who spazzes out like Tweak from South Park. It's a fun mix.

I agree with you completly. Would you talk some sense into her? Or at least distract her so I can hit her with a board? LOL, just kidding.

I'm looking forward to a new Star Wars game me and a friend are setting up to start soon. I had a great idea for a knight errant jedi. It will be a split class scoundrel and jedi guardian with the intent of running around with little input from the jedi council and being a bit of a jack of all trades. It just sounded kinda fun and the GM really liked the concept.

I'd be happy to. The conversation would go like this:

Girl, you knew what his hobbies were when you got together with him. If he don't get his space to be himself, you'll be smothering the life out of him. You don't see him telling you to shelve your thousand purses or collection of Nicholas Sparks books, so let him go nerd it out with the boys once in a while. If you're not into it that's fine, but let him have his hobbies, mmmkay? By the way, add pesto to his turkey sandwiches. Trust me, it's amazing.

DjangoStonereaver: The basic 3.x/D20 system is quite serviceable, as testified to by the number of other RPGs that were
based on it.
I think that has more to do with "here is a system for free = no R&D time for us" meaning that every 2 bit publisher could skip the hard parts of development. Designing a system is hard, taking one released for free is cheap and easy.
The better games that have come out since 3.X are all ones that used their own system, not d20 clones.
DjangoStonereaver: The problem was that while it was a good framework, it was easily broken by power munchkined
Feats, magic items and prestige classes (WOTC was, of course, one of the prime offenders in this
regard, but other companies were just as guilty), a fault that I've heard has continued in 4E despite
the designers' avowed wishes to put a stop to it.
That is true for pretty much ever RPG, but 3.X is one of the worst out there for it. There are always unbalanced/optimal choices, all that a designer can do is minamize the effects of the unbalance (which 4e does quite well).
4E has the some of the same problems, but not out of the box (3.X was broken in with just the PHB, DMG and MM), it took a while for anything truely broken and unbalancing to appear below level 21 (21 to 30 was meant to be full of "broken" combos), and the extent of the brokeness is no where near as unbalancing as in 3.X (an optomized PC in an unoptimized party could not take down an encounter on his own).
The other end of the brokeness problem is making unplayable/useless characters, in 3.X this is too easy to do if you did not know the system, in 4E you have to work to make a useless character unless you are in a "characters are optimized or useless" group.

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Yeah, she doesn't get it. I was making a character for a Star Wars game the other night and she was asking questions and when I would attempt to explain I could just see her eyes glaze over. But I find I don't get to do a lot of the things I would like to do. Its kinda sad really.

Glaze over from the math/stats/mechanics? Or the general idea itself?

The first is fixable - the second? Ah, not so much... This is where a girl DM comes in handy! Girls, as a generalization, don't play as much for the math/mechanics. Women gamers (in my experience), tend to be much more story-driven players. So when you explain games in numbers/math/rolling/stats most girls (and some boys) will just tune out. If you explain it as, "See, it is like a choose your own adventure book. The DM tells the story - we roll the dice to see what page we go to next. And stats are basically ways to modify which page I go to. Since I'm weak, I'm not gonna get the "bashes the door down" page that often."

I think that is why I enjoyed 4th ed D&D so much *Ducks - please don't hurt me* The mechanics were easier to learn for a total new player and a lot more forgiving. Nothing like teaching a someone to play in less than thirty minutes - then half way into the game have her whisper something in another player's ear. He grins and says, "YES! YES DO THAT! Kipple is gonna HATE YOU! AWESOME."

/yes, I did hate her for that...
//she had a total blast. So did the mobs she blasted half-way across the board *sigh*

I prefer 4ed as well, the mechanics and fighting rules were simplified and a level 1 wizard didn't have to worry about running out of spells. Also Half-Elves stopped sucking yay!

4ed had it's issues, especially right at the beginning, but it pretty good overall. 3.5 had a lot of "you must have the perfect build" and munchkinism.

bhcompy: digitalrain: bhcompy: Farabor: Bah. Real gamers would run Pathfinder!

This is what real gamers use:

[www.icewebring.com image 354x464]

Is that Rolemaster I see?

The one and only.

DarkLancelot: *Prepares to use the 400 tables necessary to make a sword attack*
*Screams and runs away instead*

Haters gonna hate.

I'm sorry, my old group tried Rolemaster and the more streamlined MERP several times and I always felt the complexity just bogged it down. Of course we were at least able to do a combat with it, try as I might I could never get the rules for some games to work correctly.

sjmcc13: DjangoStonereaver: The basic 3.x/D20 system is quite serviceable, as testified to by the number of other RPGs that were
based on it.
I think that has more to do with "here is a system for free = no R&D time for us" meaning that every 2 bit publisher could skip the hard parts of development. Designing a system is hard, taking one released for free is cheap and easy.
The better games that have come out since 3.X are all ones that used their own system, not d20 clones.
DjangoStonereaver: The problem was that while it was a good framework, it was easily broken by power munchkined
Feats, magic items and prestige classes (WOTC was, of course, one of the prime offenders in this
regard, but other companies were just as guilty), a fault that I've heard has continued in 4E despite
the designers' avowed wishes to put a stop to it.
That is true for pretty much ever RPG, but 3.X is one of the worst out there for it. There are always unbalanced/optimal choices, all that a designer can do is minamize the effects of the unbalance (which 4e does quite well).
4E has the some of the same problems, but not out of the box (3.X was broken in with just the PHB, DMG and MM), it took a while for anything truely broken and unbalancing to appear below level 21 (21 to 30 was meant to be full of "broken" combos), and the extent of the brokeness is no where near as unbalancing as in 3.X (an optomized PC in an unoptimized party could not take down an encounter on his own).
The other end of the brokeness problem is making unplayable/useless characters, in 3.X this is too easy to do if you did not know the system, in 4E you have to work to make a useless character unless you are in a "characters are optimized or useless" group.

If players run roughshod over a game due to "broken rules" then the DM/GM isn't doing his or her job. I've seen people claim their Codzilla or hyper-optimized wizards are unstoppable and then watched a clever opponent tear them apart like tissue without someone resorting to the "because the DM said so" excuse. Experienced and patient DM/GMs know how to roll with the punches.

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I have that exact set, black/purple with gold numbering. My pimp dice.

Mine are what I call "poisoned apple" color. They're red marbled with green, with gold lettering.

They served me well in my most recent D2 character build- half elf bard with a knife-throwing specialty. We start Monday. I haz an excite.


I just started a campaign with friends in Pathfinder. Im playing an Elven Ranger with a hatred for gnolls. I had a blast as I haven't gotten to game for a long time because of my gf.

That's a shame. You should be able to go game once a week at least without your girl giving you grief.

Mr Kiwi is our DM. I'm the half elf bard on a mission to kill my elven father, there's a young paladin, a human cleric, and a human lightning wizard who spazzes out like Tweak from South Park. It's a fun mix.

I agree with you completly. Would you talk some sense into her? Or at least distract her so I can hit her with a board? LOL, just kidding.

I'm looking forward to a new Star Wars game me and a friend are setting up to start soon. I had a great idea for a knight errant jedi. It will be a split class scoundrel and jedi guardian with the intent of running around with little input from the jedi council and being a bit of a jack of all trades. It just sounded kinda fun and the GM really liked the concept.

I'd be happy to. The conversation would go like this:

Girl, you knew what his hobbies were when you got together with him. If he don't get his space to be himself, you'll be smothering the life out of him. You don't see him telling you to shelve your thousand purses or collection of Nicholas Sparks books, so let him go nerd it out with the boys once in a while. If you're not into it that's fine, but let him have his hobbies, mmmkay? By the way, add pesto to his turkey sandwiches. Trust me, it's amazing.

I knew there was a reason I Favorited you in green! You are one of my favorite farkers ever!!!
/I owe you a beer.

...pesto?

And yes please. Arrogant Bastard or Samuel Smith's nut brown ale please :)

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Yeah, she doesn't get it. I was making a character for a Star Wars game the other night and she was asking questions and when I would attempt to explain I could just see her eyes glaze over. But I find I don't get to do a lot of the things I would like to do. Its kinda sad really.

Glaze over from the math/stats/mechanics? Or the general idea itself?

The first is fixable - the second? Ah, not so much... This is where a girl DM comes in handy! Girls, as a generalization, don't play as much for the math/mechanics. Women gamers (in my experience), tend to be much more story-driven players. So when you explain games in numbers/math/rolling/stats most girls (and some boys) will just tune out. If you explain it as, "See, it is like a choose your own adventure book. The DM tells the story - we roll the dice to see what page we go to next. And stats are basically ways to modify which page I go to. Since I'm weak, I'm not gonna get the "bashes the door down" page that often."

I think that is why I enjoyed 4th ed D&D so much *Ducks - please don't hurt me* The mechanics were easier to learn for a total new player and a lot more forgiving. Nothing like teaching a someone to play in less than thirty minutes - then half way into the game have her whisper something in another player's ear. He grins and says, "YES! YES DO THAT! Kipple is gonna HATE YOU! AWESOME."

/yes, I did hate her for that...
//she had a total blast. So did the mobs she blasted half-way across the board *sigh*

I prefer 4ed as well, the mechanics and fighting rules were simplified and a level 1 wizard didn't have to worry about running out of spells. Also Half-Elves stopped sucking yay!

4ed had it's issues, especially right at the beginning, but it pretty good overall. 3.5 had a lot of "you must have the perfect build" and munchkinism.

I played a bit of 4E but it wasn't my favorite system. I felt that instead of one Vancian class: Mage; you had all Vancian classes. All games turned out very similar with us saving our Encounter and Daily powers waiting for the big fight. I've played every edition and if I had to rate them I'd go with 2nd Edition being the best, then AD&D, 3rd, then 4th. Of course I'm dying to play Pathfinder now. If I can only find a group.

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Yeah, she doesn't get it. I was making a character for a Star Wars game the other night and she was asking questions and when I would attempt to explain I could just see her eyes glaze over. But I find I don't get to do a lot of the things I would like to do. Its kinda sad really.

Glaze over from the math/stats/mechanics? Or the general idea itself?

The first is fixable - the second? Ah, not so much... This is where a girl DM comes in handy! Girls, as a generalization, don't play as much for the math/mechanics. Women gamers (in my experience), tend to be much more story-driven players. So when you explain games in numbers/math/rolling/stats most girls (and some boys) will just tune out. If you explain it as, "See, it is like a choose your own adventure book. The DM tells the story - we roll the dice to see what page we go to next. And stats are basically ways to modify which page I go to. Since I'm weak, I'm not gonna get the "bashes the door down" page that often."

I think that is why I enjoyed 4th ed D&D so much *Ducks - please don't hurt me* The mechanics were easier to learn for a total new player and a lot more forgiving. Nothing like teaching a someone to play in less than thirty minutes - then half way into the game have her whisper something in another player's ear. He grins and says, "YES! YES DO THAT! Kipple is gonna HATE YOU! AWESOME."

/yes, I did hate her for that...
//she had a total blast. So did the mobs she blasted half-way across the board *sigh*

I prefer 4ed as well, the mechanics and fighting rules were simplified and a level 1 wizard didn't have to worry about running out of spells. Also Half-Elves stopped sucking yay!

4ed had it's issues, especially right at the beginning, but it pretty good overall. 3.5 had a lot of "you must have the perfect build" and munchkinism.

Hey, now, that negates one of the best jokes out there - do not trifle with low level wizards, for they are fragile and quick to die.

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Yeah, she doesn't get it. I was making a character for a Star Wars game the other night and she was asking questions and when I would attempt to explain I could just see her eyes glaze over. But I find I don't get to do a lot of the things I would like to do. Its kinda sad really.

Glaze over from the math/stats/mechanics? Or the general idea itself?

The first is fixable - the second? Ah, not so much... This is where a girl DM comes in handy! Girls, as a generalization, don't play as much for the math/mechanics. Women gamers (in my experience), tend to be much more story-driven players. So when you explain games in numbers/math/rolling/stats most girls (and some boys) will just tune out. If you explain it as, "See, it is like a choose your own adventure book. The DM tells the story - we roll the dice to see what page we go to next. And stats are basically ways to modify which page I go to. Since I'm weak, I'm not gonna get the "bashes the door down" page that often."

I think that is why I enjoyed 4th ed D&D so much *Ducks - please don't hurt me* The mechanics were easier to learn for a total new player and a lot more forgiving. Nothing like teaching a someone to play in less than thirty minutes - then half way into the game have her whisper something in another player's ear. He grins and says, "YES! YES DO THAT! Kipple is gonna HATE YOU! AWESOME."

/yes, I did hate her for that...
//she had a total blast. So did the mobs she blasted half-way across the board *sigh*

I prefer 4ed as well, the mechanics and fighting rules were simplified and a level 1 wizard didn't have to worry about running out of spells. Also Half-Elves stopped sucking yay!

4ed had it's issues, especially right at the beginning, but it pretty good overall. 3.5 had a lot of "you must have the perfect build" and munchkinism.

Hey, now, that negates one of the best jokes out there - do not trifle with low level wizards, for they are fragile and quick to die.

Also, don't meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

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Yeah, she doesn't get it. I was making a character for a Star Wars game the other night and she was asking questions and when I would attempt to explain I could just see her eyes glaze over. But I find I don't get to do a lot of the things I would like to do. Its kinda sad really.

Glaze over from the math/stats/mechanics? Or the general idea itself?

The first is fixable - the second? Ah, not so much... This is where a girl DM comes in handy! Girls, as a generalization, don't play as much for the math/mechanics. Women gamers (in my experience), tend to be much more story-driven players. So when you explain games in numbers/math/rolling/stats most girls (and some boys) will just tune out. If you explain it as, "See, it is like a choose your own adventure book. The DM tells the story - we roll the dice to see what page we go to next. And stats are basically ways to modify which page I go to. Since I'm weak, I'm not gonna get the "bashes the door down" page that often."

I think that is why I enjoyed 4th ed D&D so much *Ducks - please don't hurt me* The mechanics were easier to learn for a total new player and a lot more forgiving. Nothing like teaching a someone to play in less than thirty minutes - then half way into the game have her whisper something in another player's ear. He grins and says, "YES! YES DO THAT! Kipple is gonna HATE YOU! AWESOME."

/yes, I did hate her for that...
//she had a total blast. So did the mobs she blasted half-way across the board *sigh*

I prefer 4ed as well, the mechanics and fighting rules were simplified and a level 1 wizard didn't have to worry about running out of spells. Also Half-Elves stopped sucking yay!

4ed had it's issues, especially right at the beginning, but it pretty good overall. 3.5 had a lot of "you must have the perfect build" and munchkinism.

Hey, now, that negates one of the best jokes out there - do not trifle with low level wizards, for they are fragile and quick to die.

Also, don't meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Which totally applies to high level wizards, especially back in 2nd Ed. AD&D....

/does not miss THAC0