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(NBC News)   Department of Homeland Security spends hundreds of millions of dollars on a "fusion center." And since you're reading this on Fark, you can guess how it's working out so far   (openchannel.nbcnews.com) divider line 65
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2012-10-03 12:06:34 AM  
media.giantbomb.com
 
2012-10-03 12:16:14 AM  
If ever there was a government agency that needed to be broken up...

/DHS was a horrible, horrible, knee-jerk reactionary idea
 
2012-10-03 12:33:25 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If ever there was a government agency that needed to be broken up...

/DHS was a horrible, horrible, knee-jerk reactionary idea


But, how can we evolve into a fascist state without something like the Department of Fatherland Security?
 
2012-10-03 12:42:33 AM  

Triumph: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If ever there was a government agency that needed to be broken up...

/DHS was a horrible, horrible, knee-jerk reactionary idea

But, how can we evolve into a fascist state without something like the Department of Fatherland Security?


criminalbrief.com
Be seeing you...
 
2012-10-03 04:44:14 AM  
Didn't we go through this already with Communists and a guy named McCarthy?
 
2012-10-03 05:04:55 AM  
Fusion Center?
So...a restaurant with different types of food?


/thanks, fark. I'm now hungry
 
2012-10-03 05:10:19 AM  
But what if we're in a film? In every film whenever something important goes up before a senate subcommittee it's always run by people on the take, who want to shut down something that's good really, so they twist the facts to make it look bad...

What if indeed.
 
2012-10-03 05:19:29 AM  

Slaxl: But what if we're in a film? In every film whenever something important goes up before a senate subcommittee it's always run by people on the take, who want to shut down something that's good really, so they twist the facts to make it look bad...

What if indeed.


The US is already in Fantasy Land.
 
2012-10-03 05:30:16 AM  
I went through the nudie scanners at LAX this past weekend and saw that they had moved the scanner results to the backside of the scanning machine. It uses weird shmoo-like body outlines and presents a highlighted box over areas that triggered the scanner.

I feel much safer now.
 
2012-10-03 05:30:59 AM  
Appears about 90% of the bullshiat since 9/11 has been a boondoggle for guys who would otherwise be digging ditches to get a cush 20 yr public safety position, eg with the Department of Homeland Redundancy. Let's not mention their benefits, surveillance privileges, and retirement with COLA's.

Policing our nation back to prosperity --- great idea! Well, for security and security support personnel, that is.
 
2012-10-03 05:41:37 AM  
created under President George W. Bush

Figures. This farking guys presidency is gonna haunt us forever.
 
2012-10-03 05:42:15 AM  
images.cheezburger.com
 
2012-10-03 05:42:19 AM  

ktybear: Slaxl: But what if we're in a film? In every film whenever something important goes up before a senate subcommittee it's always run by people on the take, who want to shut down something that's good really, so they twist the facts to make it look bad...

What if indeed.

The US is already in Fantasy paranoia Land.

 

Too many vested interests, too many stupid people who believe what their government tells them.
 
2012-10-03 05:51:08 AM  
*ahem*

The DHS is a joke, they do *nothing* useful, they avert no terrist acts, they use their "authority" to basically find out what time of day every Joe Schmo in the USA takes a sh*t and they are useless.

The TSA is worse than useless because they are failed pizza delivery drivers, thieving pricks, schoolyard bullies and pedohiles.

Now go back to enjoying your precious protected freedoms and watch your step, citizen.
 
2012-10-03 05:59:41 AM  

mr_a: Didn't we go through this already with Communists and a guy named McCarthy?


Close.

www.garfieldhavemann.com
 
2012-10-03 06:02:52 AM  
If they have generated no useful results and cost as much as they do, it is time for congress to tighten the purse stings.
 
2012-10-03 06:03:39 AM  
FTA: concludes that the centers "often produced irrelevant" and "useless" intelligence reports. "There were times when it was, 'What a bunch of crap is coming through,'"

Ah, the same as much of the "news" we see these days. I guess that makes Fark a fusion center?
 
2012-10-03 06:03:55 AM  
Our homeland has become Naziland.
 
2012-10-03 06:06:10 AM  
Yep, the very idea of referring to the "homeland" in a government agency has given me the creeps since the beginning. When that Dept. was first formed is when I knew we were well and truly farked. The funny thing is that the right-wingers would probably freak out if anyone wanted to disband it, despite their rhetoric about "smaller government."
 
2012-10-03 06:14:45 AM  

abhorrent1: created under President George W. Bush

Figures. This farking guys presidency is gonna haunt us forever.


You forgot the next part: " and expanded under President Barack Obama"

So yeah, if both parties are going to fark us, it'll never get better.
 
2012-10-03 06:16:02 AM  

dudemanbro: Yep, the very idea of referring to the "homeland" in a government agency has given me the creeps since the beginning. When that Dept. was first formed is when I knew we were well and truly farked. The funny thing is that the right-wingers would probably freak out if anyone wanted to disband it, despite their rhetoric about "smaller government."


You should see them when you suggest making DoD spending more efficient. Not wanting to cut it, just make the dollars work better.

\insanity comes in all flavors
 
2012-10-03 06:17:31 AM  
If they want to gather intelligence on what happens when I eat fusion, they're setting themselves up for something awful.
 
2012-10-03 06:17:43 AM  

untaken_name: abhorrent1: created under President George W. Bush

Figures. This farking guys presidency is gonna haunt us forever.

You forgot the next part: " and expanded under President Barack Obama"

So yeah, if both parties are going to fark us, it'll never get better.


Mandated expansion from a bill passed before your term is not your choice. Is this the case? I don't know since I haven't bothered to look it up.
 
2012-10-03 06:24:38 AM  
An NBC reporter questioning a government program? This guy will be fired in 3-2-1....gone.
 
2012-10-03 06:33:16 AM  

david_gaithersburg: An NBC reporter questioning a government program? This guy will be fired in 3-2-1....gone.


Well, to his credit, he's really questioning a Bush creation of the government, so really, he's questioning Bush...
 
2012-10-03 06:35:39 AM  
"The " fusion centers," created under President George W. Bush..."

FASCIST! Republicans creating a police state and farking over America!!!111!!

"...and expanded under President Barack Obama, consist of special teams of federal , state and local officials collecting and analyzing intelligence on suspicious activities throughout the country. They have been hailed by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano as "one of the centerpieces" of the nation's counterterrorism efforts."

Oh, well he cares about us though and I'm sure this would never be abused.

The hypocrisy in the American electorate is absolutely staggering. If something is wrong, it's wrong no matter who's in office. Ethical relativism is going to be our downfall.
 
2012-10-03 06:38:20 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I went through the nudie scanners at LAX this past weekend


Enjoy your cataracts.
 
2012-10-03 06:45:43 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: I don't know since I haven't bothered to look it up.


Well, if you do bother, let me know how it turns out.
 
2012-10-03 06:48:22 AM  

untaken_name: gozar_the_destroyer: I don't know since I haven't bothered to look it up.

Well, if you do bother, let me know how it turns out.


Wading through funding sources at this time is too much of a pain in the ass on my day off.
 
2012-10-03 06:49:02 AM  
Department of Homeland Security spends hundreds of millions of dollars on a "fusion center." And since you're reading this on Fark, you can guess how it's working out so far

They put the FU in Fusion?
 
2012-10-03 06:54:08 AM  
Where I live, DHS just successfully helped to coordinate a multicounty prostitution bust that netted a bunch of johns picking up streetwalkers.

No mention of how this enhanced homeland security in the press release.

I've got nothing against local law enforcement doing this, but this is not what DHS was created to do. Thats the job of the STATE POLICE.

/If these guys dont have enough to do, CUT THEIR BUDGET.
 
2012-10-03 06:57:49 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: untaken_name: gozar_the_destroyer: I don't know since I haven't bothered to look it up.

Well, if you do bother, let me know how it turns out.

Wading through funding sources at this time is too much of a pain in the ass on my day off.


I spent 15 seconds on Google. To each his own, I guess.
Link

Link

Executive orders and White House initiatives aren't mandatory, are they? I can't be bothered to look that up.
 
2012-10-03 07:00:40 AM  
created under President George W. Bush and expanded under President Barack Obama

This phrase shows up an awful lot in the news, doesn't it?

You could always vote for a candidate that doesn't want to perpetuate the fail, but that would totally be throwing your vote away.
 
2012-10-03 07:04:50 AM  
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
It shall be your duty, citizen to use your life energy to provide power to your country.

It's where DHS will put all the terrorists.

/Terrorist = Republicans, veterans, gun owners, business owners, and anyone critical of the government.
 
2012-10-03 07:05:42 AM  

dudemanbro: Yep, the very idea of referring to the "homeland" in a government agency has given me the creeps since the beginning. When that Dept. was first formed is when I knew we were well and truly farked. The funny thing is that the right-wingers would probably freak out if anyone wanted to disband it, despite their rhetoric about "smaller government."


Actually, many conservatives thought/think it was a bad idea.

The problem was originally supposed to be lack of coordination and information sharing between FBI and CIA.

Now its apparently expanded to be "any law enforcement issue that is multijurisdictional"

Next up: DHS arrests people for bring beer into a dry county...
 
2012-10-03 07:07:34 AM  

AngryDragon: "The " fusion centers," created under President George W. Bush..."

FASCIST! Republicans creating a police state and farking over America!!!111!!

"...and expanded under President Barack Obama, consist of special teams of federal , state and local officials collecting and analyzing intelligence on suspicious activities throughout the country. They have been hailed by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano as "one of the centerpieces" of the nation's counterterrorism efforts."

Oh, well he cares about us though and I'm sure this would never be abused.

The hypocrisy in the American electorate is absolutely staggering. If something is wrong, it's wrong no matter who's in office. Ethical relativism is going to be our downfall.


sigh...

shiat like this comment makes me want to get all stabby...

You KNOW your statement is conjecture. There is NOTHING indicating anything like what you ascribe to, yet there you are doing it.

Looking at the statement AS IT IS WRITTEN:

The " fusion centers," created under President George W. Bush and expanded under President Barack Obama, consist of special teams of federal , state and local officials collecting and analyzing intelligence on suspicious activities throughout the country. They have been hailed by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano as "one of the centerpieces" of the nation's counterterrorism efforts.

There is no author opinion here, just a placement of the facts, but it's douchebags like you that inject their own perverted analysis of the facts and trying to stir shiat up just to start a fight...

go pick a fight with a silverback, and stop shiatting on threads
 
2012-10-03 07:11:04 AM  

Resident Muslim: Fusion Center?
So...a restaurant with different types of food?


/thanks, fark. I'm now hungry


i4.ytimg.com
 
2012-10-03 07:25:44 AM  
Thanks for all of this garbage you freedom loving Republicans.
 
2012-10-03 07:39:55 AM  
Naziland checking papers.
www.holocaustresearchproject.org
 
2012-10-03 07:46:34 AM  

untaken_name: gozar_the_destroyer: untaken_name: gozar_the_destroyer: I don't know since I haven't bothered to look it up.

Well, if you do bother, let me know how it turns out.

Wading through funding sources at this time is too much of a pain in the ass on my day off.

I spent 15 seconds on Google. To each his own, I guess.
Link

Link

Executive orders and White House initiatives aren't mandatory, are they? I can't be bothered to look that up.


He has to do something to make the paranoid feel safer. Maybe this costs less than therapy.

\still a bad idea
\\congress should can the whole thing
 
2012-10-03 07:50:49 AM  
From May 2012 -
http://ht.ly/aYVPk
Buyer beware - Department of Homeland Security is presently investigating an organized group targeting the NBA and NHL with high quality counterfeit playoff tickets. To assure yourself of purchasing officially secure and guaranteed tickets please visit lakings.com/tickets for the safest guaranteed options


Another example of what they do for our "security."
 
2012-10-03 08:10:50 AM  

CeroX: .....There is no author opinion here, just a placement of the facts, but it's douchebags like you that inject their own perverted analysis of the facts and trying to stir shiat up just to start a fight...

go pick a fight with a silverback, and stop shiatting on threads


Really? It doesn't take a modern history scholar to realize the facts. When these programs came into being, the very agencies that give the current administration (NBC in this case) a pass were up in arms about them then. Now that their endorsement is in office however, there is a deafening silence. What happened to all the outrage about these things? It's the same BS we see with the anti-war protesters. Where the hell did all of them go?

Which exactly proves my point. I don't really care who's in office. What I do care about is the duplicity of something being unacceptable with one group of leaders then suddenly tolerable with another. It's hypocritical and it exists across the political spectrum,
 
2012-10-03 08:12:02 AM  

lollipophead: From May 2012 -
http://ht.ly/aYVPk
Buyer beware - Department of Homeland Security is presently investigating an organized group targeting the NBA and NHL with high quality counterfeit playoff tickets. To assure yourself of purchasing officially secure and guaranteed tickets please visit lakings.com/tickets for the safest guaranteed options


Another example of what they do for our "security."


Ha! Rent-seeking.

I'm sure the pitch went something like this:

"Hey, feds! How about helping us shut down these guys who are printing counterfeit playoff tickets? We could lose a lot of money!"

*yawn* "And what's that to us? We fight terrorism, not fraud."

"Well.... it's possible Al Qaeda is trying to cause mass casualties at a high profile public event. It could be terrorists making those tickets, to get a suicide bomber to kill everyone in an entire stadium on live TV."

"OMG. To the fusion center!"
 
2012-10-03 08:13:46 AM  

abhorrent1: created under President George W. Bush

Figures. This farking guys presidency is gonna haunt us forever.


The only thing he didn't do wrong is declare war on Russia then follow them into Siberia just before winter.

I'm surprised he missed one.
 
2012-10-03 08:23:24 AM  
A fusion centre sounds like a great idea, more time spent high means less spent dismantling democracy.

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-03 08:28:09 AM  

AngryDragon: I don't really care who's in office. What I do care about is the duplicity of something being unacceptable with one group of leaders then suddenly tolerable with another. It's hypocritical and it exists across the political spectrum,


Could not have said it better myself.

This government makes me grouchy. Both sides are just that, two sides of the same coin. The differences between them are matters of small degrees within a wide spectrum of ides. Why anybody continues to vote for incumbents is beyond me. Dump 'em all and put in regular joes who know right from wrong. Those joes leave after a short time and new joes get in. Like the government was intended to do. I know the aides do most of the leg work, but the guy who casts the vote is the one who matters.
 
2012-10-03 08:52:54 AM  
I've always just assumed that there are agents or whatever monitoring sites like Fark. I wonder what that pays?
Asian fusion food, yum.
 
2012-10-03 09:10:17 AM  

AngryDragon: CeroX: .....There is no author opinion here, just a placement of the facts, but it's douchebags like you that inject their own perverted analysis of the facts and trying to stir shiat up just to start a fight...

go pick a fight with a silverback, and stop shiatting on threads

Really? It doesn't take a modern history scholar to realize the facts. When these programs came into being, the very agencies that give the current administration (NBC in this case) a pass were up in arms about them then. Now that their endorsement is in office however, there is a deafening silence. What happened to all the outrage about these things? It's the same BS we see with the anti-war protesters. Where the hell did all of them go?

Which exactly proves my point. I don't really care who's in office. What I do care about is the duplicity of something being unacceptable with one group of leaders then suddenly tolerable with another. It's hypocritical and it exists across the political spectrum,


First of all... you are the only person projecting this in that statement. The statement in and of itself has no opinion or criticism, that's all you.

Secondly, there is still plenty of outcry, but less since things have started backing down, like pulling troops out of iraq, killing OBL... There's also less outcry over war and more outcry over economy and class issues... not total silence and far from acceptance, you are either not paying attention, ignoring it, or the likely, not noticing it because you are more in tune and alert when people attack or biatch about YOUR political party. You also won't hear RushCo or Fox really talk about "liberals hating on liberals" because they want you to think all liberals are united against conservatives. Liberals are the new Jews, the "Lurking threat to Country and Creed", the new "Source of Evil", and of course liberals are all up in arms and doing stupid crap to perpetuate the situation...

I'm a realist Mr Angry, I don't go looking for the "hidden liberal agenda" in every statement that's written by "mainstream media"


.
speaking of which... lets look at last night's ratings and see who is really mainstream

Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for October 1, 2012
Primetime P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC 2,222 421 908
CNN 359 127 171
MSNBC 1,339 395 635
CNBC 146 78 92
FBN 48 17 26
HLN 214 68 118

Source

mainstream ˈmānˌstrēm
Noun:
The ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as the dominant trend in opinion
 
2012-10-03 09:51:52 AM  

CeroX: AngryDragon: CeroX: .....There is no author opinion here, just a placement of the facts, but it's douchebags like you that inject their own perverted analysis of the facts and trying to stir shiat up just to start a fight...

go pick a fight with a silverback, and stop shiatting on threads

Really? It doesn't take a modern history scholar to realize the facts. When these programs came into being, the very agencies that give the current administration (NBC in this case) a pass were up in arms about them then. Now that their endorsement is in office however, there is a deafening silence. What happened to all the outrage about these things? It's the same BS we see with the anti-war protesters. Where the hell did all of them go?

Which exactly proves my point. I don't really care who's in office. What I do care about is the duplicity of something being unacceptable with one group of leaders then suddenly tolerable with another. It's hypocritical and it exists across the political spectrum,

First of all... you are the only person projecting this in that statement. The statement in and of itself has no opinion or criticism, that's all you.

Secondly, there is still plenty of outcry, but less since things have started backing down, like pulling troops out of iraq, killing OBL... There's also less outcry over war and more outcry over economy and class issues... not total silence and far from acceptance, you are either not paying attention, ignoring it, or the likely, not noticing it because you are more in tune and alert when people attack or biatch about YOUR political party. You also won't hear RushCo or Fox really talk about "liberals hating on liberals" because they want you to think all liberals are united against conservatives. Liberals are the new Jews, the "Lurking threat to Country and Creed", the new "Source of Evil", and of course liberals are all up in arms and doing stupid crap to perpetuate the situation...

I'm a realist Mr Angry, I don't go looking ...



Wow. Today I learned that not having allegiance to either party but criticizing the incumbents makes me a Rush listener/FOX News watcher/looking for the liberal agenda conservative. Thank you for clarifying that.

I think you have a little froth on your mouth. Might wanna clean that up before leaving your basement.
 
2012-10-03 10:06:42 AM  

Yugoboy: AngryDragon: I don't really care who's in office. What I do care about is the duplicity of something being unacceptable with one group of leaders then suddenly tolerable with another. It's hypocritical and it exists across the political spectrum,

Could not have said it better myself.

This government makes me grouchy. Both sides are just that, two sides of the same coin. The differences between them are matters of small degrees within a wide spectrum of ides. Why anybody continues to vote for incumbents is beyond me. Dump 'em all and put in regular joes who know right from wrong. Those joes leave after a short time and new joes get in. Like the government was intended to do. I know the aides do most of the leg work, but the guy who casts the vote is the one who matters.


2016
conspiracytheoryjesseventura.com
 
2012-10-03 10:24:36 AM  

abhorrent1: created under President George W. Bush

Figures. This farking guys presidency is gonna haunt us forever.


This.

Triumph: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If ever there was a government agency that needed to be broken up...

/DHS was a horrible, horrible, knee-jerk reactionary idea

But, how can we evolve into a fascist state without something like the Department of Fatherland Security?


And these.

/2001: adding yet another layer of redundant bureaucracy will certainly make things safer
/2012: LOLWUT
 
2012-10-03 10:34:13 AM  
Hey, I have a radical idea. Lets get rid of that gestapo sounding organiztion the Department of Fatherland, um, I mean Homeland Security and let the million other three letter agencies do their job.
 
2012-10-03 10:44:46 AM  

AngryDragon: Wow. Today I learned that not having allegiance to either party but criticizing the incumbents makes me a Rush listener/FOX News watcher/looking for the liberal agenda conservative. Thank you for clarifying that.

I think you have a little froth on your mouth. Might wanna clean that up before leaving your basement.


Been at work since 6am EST... but thanks for that...

Just because you post a one liner about not being for either side, you follow that up with a paragraph tirade about liberals and democrats... and not just that, but your parroting a lot of Fark Conservatives speak like this, and yes, they are card carrying Rush fans and Fox viewers...

And yes, i take pleasure in pointing out how mainstream Fox news actually is.,,

I might have believed you were truly neutral had you followed up the tirade about liberal outcry with something about conservative outcry, like how conservatives were all gung ho about going to war in Iraq in the first place, but now are outraged that the current president went to pakistan and killed OBL...

Seems to me someone who was truly pissed at both sides, would biatch about both sides when they start biatching...
 
2012-10-03 10:47:14 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If ever there was a government agency that needed to be broken up...

/DHS was a horrible, horrible, knee-jerk reactionary idea


Security Theater
Starring: Your Tax Dollars
 
 
2012-10-03 11:07:12 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If ever there was a government agency that needed to be broken up...

/DHS was a horrible, horrible, knee-jerk reactionary idea


THIS! .... and the TSA too...
 
2012-10-03 11:12:12 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: dudemanbro: Yep, the very idea of referring to the "homeland" in a government agency has given me the creeps since the beginning. When that Dept. was first formed is when I knew we were well and truly farked. The funny thing is that the right-wingers would probably freak out if anyone wanted to disband it, despite their rhetoric about "smaller government."

You should see them when you suggest making DoD spending more efficient. Not wanting to cut it, just make the dollars work better.

\insanity comes in all flavors


you two suffer from republican derangement syndrome, where you believe anything anyone tells you about republicans....
 
2012-10-03 11:39:51 AM  

crab66: Thanks for all of this garbage you freedom loving Republicans.


go joke on a bag of dicks you partisan farkwad...
 
2012-10-03 11:47:29 AM  

Maul555: crab66: Thanks for all of this garbage you freedom loving Republicans.

go joke on a bag of dicks you partisan farkwad...


...a bag of dicks walks into a bar...
 
2012-10-03 11:48:41 AM  
choke... that was supposed to be choke on a bag of dicks....

/preview is my friend
//preview is my friend
///preview is my friend...
 
2012-10-03 11:49:21 AM  
Bartenders Says "You can't come in here!"

Bag of dicks says, I hadn't planned on doing that until after i bought the hot chick over there a few drinks first...
 
2012-10-03 11:52:04 AM  

CeroX: AngryDragon: Wow. Today I learned that not having allegiance to either party but criticizing the incumbents makes me a Rush listener/FOX News watcher/looking for the liberal agenda conservative. Thank you for clarifying that.

I think you have a little froth on your mouth. Might wanna clean that up before leaving your basement.

Been at work since 6am EST... but thanks for that...

Just because you post a one liner about not being for either side, you follow that up with a paragraph tirade about liberals and democrats... and not just that, but your parroting a lot of Fark Conservatives speak like this, and yes, they are card carrying Rush fans and Fox viewers...

And yes, i take pleasure in pointing out how mainstream Fox news actually is.,,

I might have believed you were truly neutral had you followed up the tirade about liberal outcry with something about conservative outcry, like how conservatives were all gung ho about going to war in Iraq in the first place, but now are outraged that the current president went to pakistan and killed OBL...

Seems to me someone who was truly pissed at both sides, would biatch about both sides when they start biatching...


I have voted Democrat my whole life...until now, I may change my registration to Independent permanently, but that is neither here nor there. It's not as if there are any viable candidates anyway.

It is completely legitimate to criticize the sitting president and his supporters however the fark we want, especially on silence over Obama's civil liberties violations. When Bush was in office I hated him most for the Patriot Act, the TSA/Homeland Security and the wars and I was not the only person (there was, to the previous poster's defense, much outcry about these offenses). Obama screwed the pooch on all of these things when he took over and there I actually expected him to be different, considering his campaign promises and his law and civil rights background. Do you really want to go out there and say Obama gets criticized for sucking at everything else in his Presidency so we should just shut up? You're not making a very good argument for his reelection here.
 
2012-10-03 12:34:20 PM  

elysive: Do you really want to go out there and say Obama gets criticized for sucking at everything else in his Presidency so we should just shut up? You're not making a very good argument for his reelection here


Nope, not at all, but certain cliche parroting is getting tired and old...

You present the problems in a manner in which is agreeable to me, you aren't frothing off about libruls, and you are actually addressing two sides and showing true neutrality, the previous poster claimed he was against both parties, then went on a rant about democrats and libruls...

I agree with some of his points, I think it would be GREAT if the system was set up to drop the incumbent a lot more frequently than it does... I can't and won't argue that

My problem from the very beginning is that his original argument and post started with a half-assed disclaimer about not being aligned to either party, then spent the next paragraph or so performing a rush limbaugh worth rant about dems and libs and giving a silent nod to reps and cons... Not a believable case for neutrality, or anti-establishment...

I tried pointing out that if you pull the quote he pulled, and looked at that quote only in it's conext, there is NO opinion except the readers. The author did a good job on that paragraph not injecting their own side, not even in a subtle manner. The author clearly states that it was created by one president and upheld by the follow up, it's a fact, and present without opinion or bias.

And I agree with you, the patriot act and iraq were the very reasons i voted against bush after voting for him in 2000, and if there was a GOOD candidate running against Obama this year i would vote against him as well.. because he expanded the patriot act instead of dismantling it, extended tax cuts, approved of a shiatty health plan that made my insurance coverage worse now than it has ever been.

So no, there's nothing wrong with criticizing the president, but he wasn't criticizing the president, he was criticizing the people only on one side of the spectrum while claiming to be of neither...
 
2012-10-03 12:56:09 PM  

CeroX: Nope, not at all, but certain cliche parroting is getting tired and old...

You present the problems in a manner in which is agreeable to me, you aren't frothing off about libruls, and you are actually addressing two sides and showing true neutrality, the previous poster claimed he was against both parties, then went on a rant about democrats and libruls...

I agree with some of his points, I think it would be GREAT if the system was set up to drop the incumbent a lot more frequently than it does... I can't and won't argue that

My problem from the very beginning is that his original argument and post started with a half-assed disclaimer about not being aligned to either party, then spent the next paragraph or so performing a rush limbaugh worth rant about dems and libs and giving a silent nod to reps and cons... Not a believable case for neutrality, or anti-establishment...


I know that you read the "FASCIST" part of the OP's quote as some sort of derp somehow mocking "libruls", but if you read through this thread there are actual farkers who still blame everything on Bush. I just saw his comment as an exaggeration of some of the comments from the thread. Anyway, not everyone who supports Obama is liberal. Some find him more gentle or caring or intelligent (he wouldn't do these things without a darned good reason!) whereas I'm thinking many voters just found Bush to be incompetent and bungling and maybe even malicious, so it was harder to forgive his mistakes. Some people may be afraid to criticize the Obama because of his race. I don't really know what the deal is. People probably aren't paying that close of attention.
 
2012-10-03 01:13:19 PM  
Well the thing is, i do blame the people in charge during the bush years for a lot of problems... Fully supported Afghanistan, but did not support Iraq. I support gitmo, but not the patriot act. I think Iraq is the reason the Fed Gov went trillions in debt almost overnight. I wanted him out after the first term... Deregulation led to a fake housing bubble which popped and screwed over the people who make the money in the US...

That being said, we had someone who came in and promised us he would patch things up, especially with Wall street... but i lost faith when i found out in december that he took huge campaign contributions from goldman sacks in october right before the elections. THEN he failed to patch things up like he promised, so really, we aren't better off... my big dilemma is do i vote for someone who will not make the country any better? or vote for someone who is making the same type of promises about the economy that Obama did, but everything he says is a complete flip flop from his policies right up to his nomination?

I'll see how the debates go i suppose, but i think that's going to be a waste of time
 
2012-10-03 01:29:41 PM  
A unified national security and intelligence apparatus that can make undesirables vanish without a trace and pummel dissenters into terrified submission? What could possibly go wrong?

Thanks a lot, Bushies!

/and thanks Obama for keeping it going strong
 
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