ShannonKW: GORDON: Man On Pink Corner: It must drive people like Stiglitz apeshiat when someone actually does make something of themselves in this country.A million immigrants are too busy working hard and getting ahead to read the article.Once they're sent back to Mexico for good, everyone will have a job opportunity (as well as a weight loss opportunity) and the economy will rebound. That done, a large segment of the US population will suddenly become financially secure and attractive enough to fark. This in turn will greatly stimulate the nightclub and sex industry while increasing the demand for party drugs.The recently deported Latinos will thrive in this environment resulting in a corresponding vast expansion of recreational drug production south of the border. The masses of newly qualified American agricultural laborers will find it more remunerative to pick cannabis for pesos than lettuce for dollars, and will flock to the new dope plantations. This will anger native Latinos who are edged out of jobs by Gringos, and they will demand that working visas be tightly controlled which in turn will result in pushing the work under the table, and there will ensue a lethal hemorrhage of wages back to families in the US.The already brittle Latin governments will cave under the fiscal pressure and come completely under the thrall of the dope plantations while the US economy will bloom under the double miracle of exporting their unemployment and receiving big, taxable remittances from abroad for zero investment in infrastructure. The DEA will be repurposed to providing security for drug producers (lending a new and gratifying meaning to the phrase, "Drug Enforcement Agency") the Juárez Cartel will gain a seat at the U.N., and 2/3 of the posting members of Fark will find something better to do with their time than crapping at strangers in politics threads.In short, Utopia.
Fano: The last time America had a revolutionary spirit, it ended with half the south burned. And those revolutionaries were tards.
Aussie_As: Weighing into something I know fark-all about (well hey this is Fark), and not commenting on the economics of it at all, in democracies government and the people aren't really different, no matter what politicians try to claim when they're desperate to win votes. On major policy matters, as I think your suggesting is needed here, the solutions are more likely to come from academics, business and community leaders than politicians (preferably all three working together). Historically, the military has also had a role in the US but perhaps are best left out these days.
david_gaithersburg: intelligent comment below: david_gaithersburg: It will always be a myth for the lazy.Says another uneducated poor angry conservative trollAwww. You mad lazy bro?
Poo_Fight: Whatever, I'm going to throw another vote his way in the blind hope that doing MORE of what HASN'T WORKED will miraculously correct everything just because of his skin color.
intelligent comment below: Poo_Fight: Whatever, I'm going to throw another vote his way in the blind hope that doing MORE of what HASN'T WORKED will miraculously correct everything just because of his skin color.What hasn't worked? Go into details.
david_gaithersburg: notsureifyou'reseriousCash for clunkersDevaluing the dollar21% real inflationObamacareI can go on all night
sethen320: Oh, ok. Thanks for the intelligent discourse.
david_gaithersburg: intelligent comment below: Poo_Fight: Whatever, I'm going to throw another vote his way in the blind hope that doing MORE of what HASN'T WORKED will miraculously correct everything just because of his skin color.What hasn't worked? Go into details.notsureifyou'reseriousCash for clunkersDevaluing the dollar21% real inflationObamacareI can go on all night
2words1finger: david_gaithersburg: intelligent comment below: Poo_Fight: Whatever, I'm going to throw another vote his way in the blind hope that doing MORE of what HASN'T WORKED will miraculously correct everything just because of his skin color.What hasn't worked? Go into details.notsureifyou'reseriousCash for clunkersDevaluing the dollar21% real inflationObamacareI can go on all nightHahaha, you're cute. A complete idiot, but still kinda cute. Go be an ignorant dumbass somewhere else though. Hey, if you'd rather have a psychopathic religious nut who believes in magic underwear leading the country, that's your choice. It is a completely retarded choice that speaks volumes about your own inability to engage in rational and objective thought, but its all yours.
intelligent comment below: david_gaithersburg: notsureifyou'reseriousCash for clunkersDevaluing the dollar21% real inflationObamacareI can go on all night1) helped save the auto industry and got more higher emission standard cars on the road2) important to compete with global companies3) notsureifyou'reserious4) yes 0bamacare is a huge benefit, lowering costs and insuring tens of millions moreBy all means, keep going on. This is amusing
Aussie_As: In my part of the world, the economic stimulus focussed on building school facilities. There were a few examples of unfortunate rip-offs but mostly it delivered decent community infrastructure and kept the building industry from disappearing
Ennuipoet: Has become? Joseph the country was founded by rich, white, slave holding aristocrats who restricted suffrage to their class. It was always a myth. The economic elite have always given up just enough change to keep them from being hauled to an execution site in a cart.
NewportBarGuy: 3 years ago I was making just a few bucks more than minimum wage. Now I have an awesome job, got promoted 3 times and have more money than I ever had in my life and the future looks nothing but bright.
bittermang: Keep your head up, but not all the way up in the clouds.
WhyteRaven74: NewportBarGuy: I'm pretty sure that most European countries are not seeing enviable wage growth right nowRight now, at this moment? No. But over the last 30 years? They've seen wage growth, while the US really hasn't.
2words1finger: Also, future generations will look back on American-style "free market capitalism" as a failed economic experiment. Experience has shown us that it simply does not work, because it is structurally incapable of mitigating the factor of human greed while it rewards those with genuine psychopathic tendencies - particularly the lack of empathy - with success that comes at the expense of others.
david_gaithersburg: $8 for coffee is just farking spiffy.
david_gaithersburg: 1-It cost what, $200K per car, and all it did for industry was shift demand2-Yeah, paying $3 for a gallon of milk, and $8 for coffee is just farking spiffy.3-wut?4-bwahahaha!
Poo_Fight: bittermang: Keep your head up, but not all the way up in the clouds.Or all the way up another mans ass simply because it soothes your conscience to vote for him simply because he is our first minority president...
Poo_Fight: bittermang: Keep your head up, but not all the way up in the clouds.Solid advice.
intelligent comment below: Poo_Fight: bittermang: Keep your head up, but not all the way up in the clouds.Or all the way up another mans ass simply because it soothes your conscience to vote for him simply because he is our first minority president...Poo_Fight: bittermang: Keep your head up, but not all the way up in the clouds.Solid advice.sounds legit
Poo_Fight: I know, RIGHT!?
Buffet: Not much doubt who's gonna burn in hell.
intelligent comment below: Poo_Fight: I know, RIGHT!?So now the question is, what other user name did you think you were posting with?
Fano: but what matters most are an individual's life chances
fredbox: Buffet: Not much doubt who's gonna burn in hell.That would be no one, because Hell was a mythical story invented to keep people in a state of perpetual fear and willing to sacrifice 10% of their gross income and fight unjust wars because white men who wear really nice ties tell them to.
ladyfortuna: As much as I like you, I can't help but think you've got some blinders on. Possibly because you've not experienced the same corporate abuse (and sheer bad luck) some of us have; obviously I speculate since I don't know you, but there are plenty of companies which don't give a rat's ass how hard you work and that you showed up every day.
2words1finger: It is that "I've got mine, screw everybody else" attitude that is necessary for real success in the free-market system. I don't know about you, but I don't like, and will fight against to my last breath, a business culture that rewards those who care the least about whose throat they have to slit open to get ahead.
intelligent comment below: 2) do you have any idea why you pay that much? hint it's because of rising food and energy prices and zero to do with "devaluing the dollar"
NewportBarGuy: Bullsh*t! With luck, determination, and some intelligence you have the best chance to make something of yourself in this country than anywhere else.3 years ago I was making just a few bucks more than minimum wage. Now I have an awesome job, got promoted 3 times and have more money than I ever had in my life and the future looks nothing but bright. I did all this and all I have is a sh*tty associates degree. Working on a Bachelor's (still) but I'll get that eventually.The American Dream is still alive and well. Just scale it back a bit. I can't emphasize luck enough, though. Luck plays a HUGE part in life. Call it fate or whatever, but that sh*t is real. It's that combined with showing up and giving everything you've got.I respect Joe, but he's wrong. This is still an amazing country filled with amazing people capable of awesome things. Yes, the economy is tough right now. We all know that. We've been through it before. We'll come out the other side and we'll move on as we always have.
Guntram Shatterhand: You know what the real biatch of this is?For years the American Dream has been pushed as an ideal. People would go into debt to find that slice of happiness that they've always been promised, the sense of final dramatic victory over the world in the form of financial security and 'independence.' But it's always been a way to create a slave class that can't move, can't do what they want, and have social pressures causing them to conform.Americans know shiat about freedom. Freedom is scary: you're totally responsible for yourself, you can't shift the blame, and you have to make hard choices. Freedom isn't something you chant as a thought-terminating cliche, it's the power to do what you want. But it takes a lot of fortitude and honesty to do that. And to be honest, freedom isn't as freeing as it sounds. It takes work, and it's certainly not a house designed to create a tax base held hostage by a shifting economy that is controlled by the 1%.The totality of American life today is essentially extortion via a greatly exaggerated form of responsibility. How much freedom does one have when forced to beg for bare subsistence while those with much taunt you and curse you for the results of their actions? But Americans like delusion, and we love the idea of freedom being some shiny pillar that we know absolutely farking nothing about. We love the chant, and that's where it really ends. We are the first to point out how much American life sucks yet do nothing about it. We've been beaten down. We're essentially the lambs born right onto a griddle. And we brag about it like it's something to be proud of, like working ourselves to death is somehow a noble thing.The latest economic downturn should reveal one thing to Americans at large: that we're not free. We're far from it. And it's a systemic problem that we really need to dig deep down about. This isn't a problem that overthrowing a government or playing right-wing commando with a bunch of cheap guns can resolve. This is how we deal with the dead-end philosophy that America has come to accept as 'freedom.' How do we react to the reality of freedom when we use responsibility as a form of slut shaming? Our country is broken, and it's not just in an economic sense. The foundations of American thought are, at their heart, really rotten and needlessly vile and competitive. Exactly why is simple subsistence a moral failing again? And what kind of awful people thinks that way?All I can say right now is that when you really have time to examine American life as an outsider--as an unemployed person who is detached from that Dream--a lot of things become very clear very quickly. And I don't see many Americans going back to the Dream once the economy sorts itself out. It's hard to measure consumer confidence when you're one write-up away from being excluded from a Dream that, at its heart, is Yet Another Marketing Tool, and just as hollow.
Debeo Summa Credo: Inequality in the US has grown for two reasons: globalization and immigration. Both increase the supply of low skill labor, driving down prices and resulting in a worse outcome for existing low skill labor.
jaybeezey: I'm sorry, I wasn't listening...
Ennuipoet: Has become? Joseph the country was founded by rich, white, slave holding aristocrats [who couldn't get their way in Europe] who restricted suffrage to their class. It was always a myth. The economic elite have always given up just enough change to keep them from being hauled to an execution site in a cart.
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