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(ESPN)   Week 5 NFL Power Rankings: Vikings take a huge leap, Bengals are knocking on the Top Ten's door, and the Saints are in the cellar. Which timeline is this?   (espn.go.com) divider line 137
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2012-10-02 05:43:43 PM  

Bunny Deville: Di Atribe: I didn't even see the Yahoo rankings thread, so I submitted this one. I hope you guys can understand my not wanting to peruse the sports tab today. Also, I am hungover. Still.

/ragedrinking

My boys are in the basement, and the laughingstock of the NFL. Shall we cry Jello wrestle together?


Sho nuf
 
2012-10-02 05:49:02 PM  
Niners should be a bit higher...but no complaints here
 
2012-10-02 05:50:15 PM  

kmmontandon: Yes, they should erect a statue after defeating the Dolphins juggernaut ... in overtime ... at home.

And I don't think beating the desiccated corpse of the Lions really counts.


If you read what I posted, and then clicked the link, you'd see that the 'good teams' I was referring to are the Eagles and Patriots, with the win over the Patriots coming on the road. That ignores the Cards win at home over the Seahawks, who are still ranked higher than every team the Texans have beat except the Broncos. And the Cardinals haven't even played the Lions.

Other than that, good post.
 
2012-10-02 05:51:45 PM  
Texans, Falcons and Cards are all pretenders. Cards are the only of those that have played serious opponents but they've scraped by. In about 10 games they'll all be closer to the middle of the pile than the top.
 
2012-10-02 05:54:34 PM  

Treygreen13: I assumed it was how they are performing right now, including the outlook for the future and taking into consideration strength of schedule and how the games they have already played have worked out.

So you could have 2 god-awful teams with the same record and a bleak outlook, but if one team has lost by a combined 10 points and the other has lost by a combined 50, the team that is getting spanked goes at the bottom.


I would agree with the second part and would rank those 2 teams that way, yes. However, the phrases "how they are performing right now" and "including the outlook for the future" seem to contradict each other and I'm not sure I'm able to agree on that.

Sanity check: does anyone know off the top of their head if the top 12 spots at the end of the season are all playoff teams? That would seem to strengthen my guess (and yes, it is just a guess).

Wiki is not very insightful: " The power rating of a team is a calculation of the team's strength relative to other teams in the same league or division."
 
2012-10-02 05:57:06 PM  

spiderpaz: Texans, Falcons and Cards are all pretenders.


cache.vevo.com

You're the pretender!
What if I say that they'll never surrender?
 
2012-10-02 05:57:29 PM  

This Looks Fun: Sanity check: does anyone know off the top of their head if the top 12 spots at the end of the season are all playoff teams? That would seem to strengthen my guess (and yes, it is just a guess).


Most likely if you went back and checked, all 12 teams would be playoff teams.

However,
That year the Seahawks made it at 7-9 probably had them out of the top 12.
 
2012-10-02 06:00:27 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: Some lower-ranked teams are division rivals who have their higher-ranked opponents' number, and weird things can happen on any given Sunday. My point was more to rebut This Looks Fun's idea that these guys are trying to project final standings. As often as players get injured in this league, it's a fool's errand to try and forecast any further than next week.


The ranking of "most likely to beat everyone below them" makes sense as well. And as a feeling of the phrase, it speaks more truly to the idea of "Ranking by Power."

But I don't think ESPN is really doing that or they wouldn't rank the Cardinals above so many teams. They just aren't likely to beat the 27 teams below them. That's why I think they're using the power rankings as a way to rank by end of season finish. I'm not married to the idea and it's not important that my idea be accepted, just adding to the discussion.

/That "fool's errand" is what every sports writer ever does. Just sayin.
 
2012-10-02 06:01:59 PM  

Treygreen13: This Looks Fun: Sanity check: does anyone know off the top of their head if the top 12 spots at the end of the season are all playoff teams? That would seem to strengthen my guess (and yes, it is just a guess).

Most likely if you went back and checked, all 12 teams would be playoff teams.

However,
That year the Seahawks made it at 7-9 probably had them out of the top 12.


Touche: http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2010/week/18
 
2012-10-02 06:03:59 PM  

This Looks Fun: Treygreen13: ***snip***
Sanity check: does anyone know off the top of their head if the top 12 spots at the end of the season are all playoff teams? That would seem to strengthen my guess (and yes, it is just a guess).

Wiki is not very insightful: " The power rating of a team is a calculation of the team's strength relative to other teams in the same league or division."


Yes, they are. It's like QBR, we have no idea how it is calculated, but we are assured it is the best system possible.
 
2012-10-02 06:04:51 PM  

Here's the graph of the actual rankings, but only because I couldn't figure out how to make it spell out "I HATE FOOTBALL." At least not with the hangover


i.imgur.com


As you can see by the liney-wimeys on the graph, everything is terrible forever. Link goes to bigger in case you really wanna hold that magnifying glass up to Hitler's mustache. In other news:

Change from Week 1 to this week :
One 17 point drop: Saints
One 18 point jump: Cardinals

Four teams ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE (back at their Week 1 rankings): 49ers, Eagles, Stupid Bears, Broncos

Number of times rankings have changed:
21 teams have changed every week
9 teams have changed all but once
2 teams have only moved twice (Browns & Colts)

Difference between high rank & low rank:
Lowest fluctuation: Browns with 1
Highest fluctuation: Cardinals with 18
Average fluctuation: 6.969

Overall fluctuation travel:
Smallest: Browns with only 1
Highest: Redskins & Seahawks with 20

Teams hitting their highest rank this week: Bengals & Vikings

Teams hitting their lowest rank this week: Packers, Giants, Lions, Jets, & Panthers

Ten teams did not change rank: ESPN is lazy

And can I just say how super-pumped I am to have two whole weeks to stew rage-drink over this loss only to come back in Week 6 to face the Ravens in Baltimore. I hate football.
 
2012-10-02 06:08:55 PM  

Di Atribe: ***snip***


GRAPH!!! SQUEEEEE!!!!

Already posted in the other thread, but I don't give a fark, sorry Di, better luck next time:

cdn.ksk.uproxx.com
 
2012-10-02 06:10:34 PM  
The Seahawks goin' for that sinusoidal wave.
 
2012-10-02 06:11:36 PM  
According to sources, McNabb is going to Tampa.
 
2012-10-02 06:12:48 PM  

spiderpaz: Texans, Falcons and Cards are all pretenders. Cards are the only of those that have played serious opponents but they've scraped by. In about 10 games they'll all be closer to the middle of the pile than the top.


Okay then, play head coach. How would you beat Houston? What would you attack?
 
2012-10-02 06:13:18 PM  

TheTrashcanMan: Ah yes, the real power rankings have returned to Fark.

also....


[farm9.staticflickr.com image 550x427]


It hurts me to see him. Please make it stop.
 
2012-10-02 06:19:26 PM  

ATRDCI: spiderpaz: Texans, Falcons and Cards are all pretenders. Cards are the only of those that have played serious opponents but they've scraped by. In about 10 games they'll all be closer to the middle of the pile than the top.

Okay then, play head coach. How would you beat Houston? What would you attack?


Arian Foster, for his hat, during an interview?
 
2012-10-02 06:20:49 PM  

eddievercetti: According to sources, McNabb is going to Tampa.


This makes me sad... that KC didn't get him. That's how bad it is.
 
2012-10-02 06:24:57 PM  
I love that the Chargers are flying under the radar.
 
2012-10-02 06:31:57 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: eddievercetti: According to sources, McNabb is going to Tampa.

This makes me sad... that KC didn't get him. That's how bad it is.


If you want Eagles' washouts, Vince Young is still kicking around somewhere
 
2012-10-02 06:32:22 PM  

ATRDCI: spiderpaz: Texans, Falcons and Cards are all pretenders. Cards are the only of those that have played serious opponents but they've scraped by. In about 10 games they'll all be closer to the middle of the pile than the top.

Okay then, play head coach. How would you beat Houston? What would you attack?


The same way they lost several games last season. They're the same team.
 
2012-10-02 06:34:48 PM  
Di, I feel your pain. Not only am I a Bills fan. But I also have Romo in my Fantasy league.
 
2012-10-02 06:36:53 PM  
Denver moved up to 13th! :D

i1182.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-02 06:38:13 PM  
So here's the first of our Win Percentage vs. Opponent Strength of Victory chart:

i.imgur.com

Linky to bigger. Great big thanks to RminusQ for doing the numbers for me. He's really nice.

So the higher you are, the better your actual win/loss record. The farther to the right you are, the tougher the teams you have played. So Indy has played the best teams so far. It's only been 4 weeks, though. The farther we get into the season, the more useful this one will be. It answers the "Yeah, but who have they beaten?" question.

While the Cowboys did play abysmally last night, they are tied with the Packers, Pats, & Jets. What does it mean?

i.imgur.com

Yeah
 
2012-10-02 06:39:00 PM  
Interesting only to me? Maybe: the vikings climbed the same number of spots this week as last week, making their velocity look even more impressive (and yes, unsustainable).
 
2012-10-02 06:40:38 PM  

RangerTaylor: Di, I feel your pain. Not only am I a Bills fan. But I also have Romo in my Fantasy league.


I'm sorry, my little muffin. Come on in. Let's hug the pain away.
 
2012-10-02 06:40:58 PM  
Congrats to the fans of the J-E-T-S, you'll be rid of rex ryan next year.
 
2012-10-02 06:43:49 PM  

Di Atribe: So here's the first of our Win Percentage vs. Opponent Strength of Victory chart:

[i.imgur.com image 850x582]

Linky to bigger. Great big thanks to RminusQ for doing the numbers for me. He's really nice.

So the higher you are, the better your actual win/loss record. The farther to the right you are, the tougher the teams you have played. So Indy has played the best teams so far. It's only been 4 weeks, though. The farther we get into the season, the more useful this one will be. It answers the "Yeah, but who have they beaten?" question.

While the Cowboys did play abysmally last night, they are tied with the Packers, Pats, & Jets. What does it mean?

[i.imgur.com image 500x280]

Yeah


SF is 2 and 2?
 
2012-10-02 06:43:49 PM  
So according to Di's last graph, the Cardinals are the best team in the league?

I like the Detroit image of Hello Kitty.
 
2012-10-02 06:44:41 PM  
The Eagles are too high. And I say that as a big Eagles fan. They're not way too high, just a bit too high. No way they are a better team than Green Bay. Not to mention Green Bay will have a much easier time winning their division than the Eagles will.

A match between them would be pretty interesting though. I'd like to see that in the post season.
 
2012-10-02 06:47:24 PM  

eddievercetti: spiderpaz: Texans, Falcons and Cards are all pretenders.

[cache.vevo.com image 640x464]

You're the pretender!
What if I say that they'll never surrender?


Horrible band. Just terrible.
 
2012-10-02 06:49:28 PM  
The Cards are not better than the Bears, or anyone else in the top 10. F*ck you ESPN. Just f*ck you...
 
2012-10-02 06:51:08 PM  

netweavr: SF is 2 and 2?


Nnnnnnnnnnnnnope that was my fault. Good catch, weavr!


Nadie_AZ: So according to Di's last graph, the Cardinals are the best team in the league?

I like the Detroit image of Hello Kitty.


I usually make fun of at least one team in the icons. I might have to change it up this year, depending on how the Loins do. I also have a cute little sheep I use for the Rams sometimes. We'll have to see who turns out to be the worst.


OK here we go. FIXED hopefully

i.imgur.com

Link
 
2012-10-02 06:55:43 PM  

mitchcumstein1: The Chiefs are an abomination.

/still better than the Raiders


Plus, 'Dat Schedule. It is NOT going to get better. Oak after the bye might be their only chance for a win before @Cle in December.
 
2012-10-02 06:58:21 PM  
Saints are camping in the corner.
 
2012-10-02 07:12:56 PM  

Di Atribe: OK here we go. FIXED hopefully


NO and Cleveland.
 
2012-10-02 07:13:32 PM  

Di Atribe: OK here we go. FIXED hopefully


KC and Car
 
2012-10-02 07:15:53 PM  
nm, SOV.

I'm an idiot.
 
2012-10-02 07:22:27 PM  

Di Atribe: I usually make fun of at least one team in the icons. I might have to change it up this year, depending on how the Loins do. I also have a cute little sheep I use for the Rams sometimes. We'll have to see who turns out to be the worst.


OK here we go. FIXED hopefully


I see Manningface
 
2012-10-02 07:31:53 PM  

Di Atribe: [Link][i.imgur.com image 850x1040]


I enjoy that they consistently have zero clue where the hell to put the Seahawks.

I don't enjoy the fact that I really don't, either.
 
2012-10-02 07:35:17 PM  
After week 4, here is the top 10 in my Totally Inaccurate Computer Rankings:

1. Houston -- 651 pts.
2. Atlanta -- 647 pts.
3. Arizona -- 615 pts.
4. Baltimore -- 515 pts.
5. Chicago -- 508 pts.
6. San Francisco -- 489 pts.
7. Minnesota -- 465 pts.
8. San Diego -- 461 pts.
9. Cincinnati -- 444 pts.
10. New England -- 408 pts.

Stats:

1. The Cardinals actually have had the "toughest" schedule of the undefeated teams in the first 3 weeks. Their opponents have 8 wins, compared to Atlanta's opponents' 7 and Houston's opponents' 5, giving them 80 second-level points (most of all teams) and the teams their opponents have beaten combine for 14 wins, giving Arizona 14 third-level points (again, most of all teams). The reason they're third is their low scoring output: 91 points vs. Houston's 126 and Atlanta's 124.

2. The Patriots, the highest 2-2 team, score higher than the Eagles, the lowest 3-1 team, on scoring output: The Patriots have scored 134 (that gives them 268 points) and given up 92 (that takes away 92 points), while the Eagles have scored 66 (+132) and allowed 83 (-83).

3. Pittsburgh and Indianapolis, both on byes this week, are the highest 1-win teams when you prorate them to 4 weeks. The Steelers have 269 1/3 prorated points (actual 202) and the Colts have 232 prorated points (actual 174).

4. Two teams with wins (thus excluding the Saints and the Browns) have no second-level points: The Panthers and the Chiefs (both beat the Saints for their only win). Four teams have no third-level points: The Panthers, Chiefs, Bills (who beat the Browns and the Chiefs), and the Bucs (who beat the Panthers).

5. Your cellar-dweller is, naturally, the Browns, with 48 points (73 game points for (146) vs. 98 against). The Saints are 31st with 90 thanks to 110 PF (220 points) minus 130 against).
 
2012-10-02 07:37:50 PM  

Di Atribe: OK here we go. FIXED hopefully

[i.imgur.com image 850x582]


As I suspected. Weakest of the teams over .500, and going by the current standings we won't face another really quality opponent until... good Lord, the Chargers in Week 13? I'd be shocked (no pun intended) if they're still "quality" by then.
 
2012-10-02 07:43:27 PM  

spiderpaz: ATRDCI: spiderpaz: Texans, Falcons and Cards are all pretenders. Cards are the only of those that have played serious opponents but they've scraped by. In about 10 games they'll all be closer to the middle of the pile than the top.

Okay then, play head coach. How would you beat Houston? What would you attack?

The same way they lost several games last season. They're the same team.


I'll pass your comment along to starting quarterback T.J. Yates and whoever is filling in for Andre Johnson. Last year's team was almost good enough to win a playoff game in Baltimore with a third string quarterback.



So far, this year's Texans team has dominated both sides of the ball. Yeah, Tennessee "outgained" them by running up some yards against the prevent D when they were down by 31, but that's not saying much.

They probably won't win the Super Bowl, but I'm going to enjoy them this year every bit as much as I enjoyed the Sage Rosenfels Era and the years of Dom Capers and David Carr.
 
2012-10-02 07:49:55 PM  

RangerTaylor: Di, I feel your pain. Not only am I a Bills fan. But I also have Romo in my Fantasy league.


I benched him this week in favor of a Christian Ponder off the waiver wire (my backup was Andrew Luck, he was on bye, and I didn't want to part with him).

I think from this point forward, I'm just starting Luck. Aside from week 1, Romo's been terrible.
 
2012-10-02 07:52:59 PM  
I think it will be another 9-7 team winning the NFC East with the announcers all clamoring about how Manning, Romo, and RGIII are all top ten quarterbacks.

I'd love to see the Cardinals have a good year but they can have ZERO injuries on defense if they want to keep rolling.

New York Jets are the worst team in the NFL at the present time.
 
2012-10-02 07:55:42 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Defense still blows
 
2012-10-02 08:04:06 PM  

Di Atribe: Here's the graph of the actual rankings, but only because I couldn't figure out how to make it spell out "I HATE FOOTBALL." At least not with the hangover

[i.imgur.com image 850x1040]

GRAF.


The top 5 teams are flat-lining! Bring me some of those paddle thingies that George Clooney uses!
 
2012-10-02 08:05:41 PM  

NetOwl: spiderpaz: ATRDCI: spiderpaz: Texans, Falcons and Cards are all pretenders. Cards are the only of those that have played serious opponents but they've scraped by. In about 10 games they'll all be closer to the middle of the pile than the top.

Okay then, play head coach. How would you beat Houston? What would you attack?

The same way they lost several games last season. They're the same team.

I'll pass your comment along to starting quarterback T.J. Yates and whoever is filling in for Andre Johnson. Last year's team was almost good enough to win a playoff game in Baltimore with a third string quarterback.



So far, this year's Texans team has dominated both sides of the ball. Yeah, Tennessee "outgained" them by running up some yards against the prevent D when they were down by 31, but that's not saying much.

They probably won't win the Super Bowl, but I'm going to enjoy them this year every bit as much as I enjoyed the Sage Rosenfels Era and the years of Dom Capers and David Carr.


To add to your point, T.J. was a rookie and three of their loses came after the Texans clenched a playoff spot.

/It's great to finally have a good Houston team to root for again
 
2012-10-02 08:06:49 PM  

Di Atribe: netweavr: SF is 2 and 2?

Nnnnnnnnnnnnnope that was my fault. Good catch, weavr!


Nadie_AZ: So according to Di's last graph, the Cardinals are the best team in the league?

I like the Detroit image of Hello Kitty.

I usually make fun of at least one team in the icons. I might have to change it up this year, depending on how the Loins do. I also have a cute little sheep I use for the Rams sometimes. We'll have to see who turns out to be the worst.


OK here we go. FIXED hopefully

[i.imgur.com image 850x582]

Link


The Rams lost their Lamb Chop pic? I haz a sad.
 
2012-10-02 08:08:43 PM  

NetOwl: spiderpaz: ATRDCI: spiderpaz: Texans, Falcons and Cards are all pretenders. Cards are the only of those that have played serious opponents but they've scraped by. In about 10 games they'll all be closer to the middle of the pile than the top.

Okay then, play head coach. How would you beat Houston? What would you attack?

The same way they lost several games last season. They're the same team.

I'll pass your comment along to starting quarterback T.J. Yates and whoever is filling in for Andre Johnson. Last year's team was almost good enough to win a playoff game in Baltimore with a third string quarterback.



So far, this year's Texans team has dominated both sides of the ball. Yeah, Tennessee "outgained" them by running up some yards against the prevent D when they were down by 31, but that's not saying much.

They probably won't win the Super Bowl, but I'm going to enjoy them this year every bit as much as I enjoyed the Sage Rosenfels Era and the years of Dom Capers and David Carr.


They probably won't win the Super Bowl? No team is a lock for the SB, but the Texans have had the chance to play only one true quality opponent, on the road, with a quarterback known to cause the Texans problems, and they still get a 20-point lead.

Too bad the Jets game next Monday might still not be considered a proper test of the Texans.

/Manning is Manning
//Denver is a tough place to win
///The Green Bay and Chicago games are when it gets real
 
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