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2012-10-02 04:00:20 PM
4 votes:
Mitt says whatever the immediate audience wants to hear. Problem is now, he has to face the entire country.

/I'm bringing popcorn.
2012-10-02 04:48:55 PM
3 votes:

ManRay: coeyagi: ManRay: Put Gary Johnson up there for some real contrast.

Sigh. You mean that whining f*ck who thinks there's a monopoly of the political parties? Unhindered free market, Gary, isn't that what you want you dumb f*ck?


Not a monopoly, but certainly stifling competition. The Debate Commission wants a 15% polling number from a candidate in 5 polls. But they will not say what polls they look at. And most don't even have anyone but the 2 major candidates on them. It's a catch-22.

I have no illusions that the LP candidate will win anything anytime soon, but having a differing view from the two guys arguing over how much each one is going to increase Medicare would be nice.


I just don't get this point of view. Third party candidates can say whatever they want to say because they have no shot of winning and even if we lived in an alternate universe where they would win they have no support in Congress to get of their big ticket items passed.

Third parties always pride themselves on grassroots support but I haven't seen any of them win a majority in a state congress and pass laws inline with their rhetoric. Additionally, the current "popular" third party is full of politicians that have held seats as Republicans and even Ron Paul has voted 100% with the GOP in 2012.

In my opinion third parties would be better off to concentrate on making a state a model for their ideas. The fact that they can't even get one state out of 50 to buy into their ideology speaks volumes as to why they should not be in a national debate.
2012-10-02 04:26:24 PM
3 votes:

tgregory: What about the Obama that was against the Patriot Act, against spying, for closing Guantanamo, for ending our influence overseas, for reducing the national debt? Will he be there, too?


He signed order to close Guantanamo, Congress failed to pass bill to fund and move the incarcerated "terrorists" from there.

Senate voted 90-1 to overruled Obama on Israel position.

National debt should not reduced only by cuts... tax increases must be made and Obama proposed just that but again Congress failed to agree on that.

Patriot ACT will not be removed by any president... it will take a Congress willing to do that and the alphabet organizations love the powers in it way too much to let that happen.

Obama is not perfect and in a perfect situation I wouldn't vote for him. We are far from a perfect situation and Romney is a lot farther away from my view point than Obama.
2012-10-02 12:58:00 PM
3 votes:
I'd like to nominate this as Fark's 2012 Zinger of the Year.
2012-10-02 04:39:31 PM
2 votes:
There is an idea of a Mitt Romney, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real Mitt, only an entity, something illusory, and though he can hide his cold gaze and you can shake his hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense your lifestyles are probably comparable: He simply is not there.

It is hard for him to make sense on any given level. He is fabricated, an aberration. He is a noncontingent human being. His personality is sketchy and unformed, his heartlessness goes deep and is persistent. His conscience, his pity, his hopes disappeared a long time ago (probably at Harvard) if they ever did exist. There are no more barriers to cross. All he has in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem he has caused and his utter indifference toward it, he has now surpassed. He still, though, holds on to one single bleak truth: no one is safe, nothing is redeemed. Yet he is blameless.

His pain is constant and sharp and he does not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, he wants his pain to be inflicted on others. He wants no one to escape. But even after admitting this-and he has countless times, in just about every act he's committed-and coming face-to-face with these truths, there is no catharsis. He gains no deeper knowledge about himself, no new understanding can be extracted from his telling.
2012-10-02 04:16:15 PM
2 votes:

ManRay: Put Gary Johnson up there for some real contrast.


Sigh. You mean that whining f*ck who thinks there's a monopoly of the political parties? Unhindered free market, Gary, isn't that what you want you dumb f*ck?
2012-10-02 04:09:19 PM
2 votes:
Put Gary Johnson up there for some real contrast.
2012-10-02 03:37:42 PM
2 votes:

One more time.


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2012-10-02 02:18:56 PM
2 votes:
Not much to say other than +1 for the headline. It may be low hanging fruit, but it's still funny.
2012-10-02 10:00:50 PM
1 votes:

tgregory: NateGrey: tgregory: What about the Obama that was against the Patriot Act, against spying, for closing Guantanamo, for ending our influence overseas, for reducing the national debt? Will he be there, too?

I bet your pining for the days of Bush.

If I'm against the Patriot Act, against our military presence in over 100 foreign bases, against an increasing national debt, etc... why would I be pining for Bush?

If you're against those things, as well, there's no way you can have disliked Bush for his policies in his term and then turn around and support Obama for continuing those policies.

"He can't vote against it right now." "It had to be done." "He's not going to use those 30,000 drones over the US skies in a bad way." "Him signing the NDAA doesn't mean he'll do wrong with it."

Similar excuses people gave for Bush in his term, but Democrats still took to the streets and compared him to Hitler. Where are those protests now? Why can't people break from party to go "Wait. Obama is actually really shiatty."

Until people realize that it's not left versus right, but tyranny versus freedom, we're going to keep going in this downward spiral we've been in for decades.


I think he's shiat, but he's still better than every other alternative out there. And yes, I have looked at that fool Johnson.

/Green party doesn't stand a chance sadly. And I'm too much a pragmatist to fall for the "make your vote a statement" stupidity: it is. I vote for Obama because, while I don't like some of what he's done, I both like other bits and REALLY don't like much of what the most likely winner (sans Obama) would do, so fark off.
//That's the problem with first-to-the-post rather than a tiered vote: it forces people to do political calculus like this, rather than actually voting for who we want.
2012-10-02 06:32:46 PM
1 votes:
Like I've said before, the best campaign strategy for Obama at this time is to simply stay quiet, step back, and hand Romney the shovel. It'll be interesting to watch Obama take Romney apart, because he's pandered so many times, in so many ways, to so many different groups of people that it's really impossible to tell what Romney's actual stance is on anything. Every time Romney opens his mouth to claim an opinion or belief, Obama just has to read a Romney quote from, say, two weeks ago, in which he firmly espoused his support for a diametrically opposed opinion or belief. Once the quote's read aloud, Obama then just has to say, "which is it?"

Repeat that for pretty much every question they're going to be asked, and you can stick a fork in Romney and call his political career done. He's simply lied to too many people to be credible or even believeable.
2012-10-02 04:57:06 PM
1 votes:

Rwa2play: All the while Obama will just put on a pair of shades, lie down on a beach chair next to his podium, pour himself a nice smooth shot of whiskey, and enjoy the show.


I could see Obama shifting gears and debating Gary Johnson. I could see Gary Johnson debating Obama. Mitt Romney would rather run through downtown SLC wearing nothing but a pride ribbon than debate Johnson.
2012-10-02 04:53:29 PM
1 votes:
"A presidential campaign, though, is different. At some point you have to say what you really believe."

If only that were true. As I recall Bush Jr. spoke quite a bit about not believing in "nation building." He said nothing about "believing in invading Iraq, casting every event as a reason to invade Iraq, and then lying through his teeth to trick the country into invading Iraq."
2012-10-02 04:45:16 PM
1 votes:
I have news.
It's not a debate unless there is argument and refutation of specific points through rebuttals.
What some of you will see tomorrow will not be "debate."
It will be a kabuki dance designed to make you believe you have a choice.
2012-10-02 04:43:03 PM
1 votes:

coeyagi: ManRay: Put Gary Johnson up there for some real contrast.

Sigh. You mean that whining f*ck who thinks there's a monopoly of the political parties? Unhindered free market, Gary, isn't that what you want you dumb f*ck?



Not a monopoly, but certainly stifling competition. The Debate Commission wants a 15% polling number from a candidate in 5 polls. But they will not say what polls they look at. And most don't even have anyone but the 2 major candidates on them. It's a catch-22.

I have no illusions that the LP candidate will win anything anytime soon, but having a differing view from the two guys arguing over how much each one is going to increase Medicare would be nice.
2012-10-02 04:39:25 PM
1 votes:
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2012-10-02 04:39:21 PM
1 votes:

star_topology: Posted in the wrong thread earlier...

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So Obama's trying to create a better world, while Romney creates a fatter world.
2012-10-02 04:36:03 PM
1 votes:
Sh*tt Rmoney is a flipper flopper. typical psychopath who'll say/do anything to get what he wants.
2012-10-02 04:33:37 PM
1 votes:

tgregory: What about the Obama that was against the Patriot Act, against spying, for closing Guantanamo, for ending our influence overseas, for reducing the national debt? Will he be there, too?


I bet your pining for the days of Bush.
2012-10-02 04:32:54 PM
1 votes:

Corvus: tgregory: What about the Obama that was against the Patriot Act, against spying, for closing Guantanamo, for ending our influence overseas, for reducing the national debt? Will he be there, too?

Obama was against spying??!?!?!??! Huh?!?


That was one of the things that bothered me back in '08--his support for immunity for the spying telecoms. I still voted for him, I surely didn't want Swamp Thing and Mama Grizzly.
2012-10-02 04:30:01 PM
1 votes:

ddam: Obama is not perfect and in a perfect situation I wouldn't vote for him. We are far from a perfect situation and Romney is a lot farther away from my view point than Obama.


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For every reason I can think of not to vote for Obama, I can think of three to not vote for Romney.
2012-10-02 04:28:51 PM
1 votes:

ddam: tgregory: What about the Obama that was against the Patriot Act, against spying, for closing Guantanamo, for ending our influence overseas, for reducing the national debt? Will he be there, too?

He signed order to close Guantanamo, Congress failed to pass bill to fund and move the incarcerated "terrorists" from there.

Senate voted 90-1 to overruled Obama on Israel position.

National debt should not reduced only by cuts... tax increases must be made and Obama proposed just that but again Congress failed to agree on that.

Patriot ACT will not be removed by any president... it will take a Congress willing to do that and the alphabet organizations love the powers in it way too much to let that happen.

Obama is not perfect and in a perfect situation I wouldn't vote for him. We are far from a perfect situation and Romney is a lot farther away from my view point than Obama.


Obama is the only moderate Republican president this country is going to see for a while.
2012-10-02 04:28:13 PM
1 votes:

tgregory: What about the Obama that was against the Patriot Act, against spying, for closing Guantanamo, for ending our influence overseas, for reducing the national debt? Will he be there, too?


I don't think so. That Obama only exists in your mind, sorry.
2012-10-02 04:22:07 PM
1 votes:
What about the Obama that was against the Patriot Act, against spying, for closing Guantanamo, for ending our influence overseas, for reducing the national debt? Will he be there, too?
2012-10-02 04:21:43 PM
1 votes:

star_topology: Posted in the wrong thread earlier...

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It's on the side of a semi so you know it's legit.
2012-10-02 04:19:20 PM
1 votes:
So how are they going to set up the debate? Start with Romney vs. Romney, then the winner debates Obama?
2012-10-02 04:13:26 PM
1 votes:
Of course, Romney promptly denied that the smug and callous man in that grainy video - the one who lamented he would "never convince" nearly half of his fellow Americans to "take personal responsibility and care for their lives" - was the real Romney.

At this point, it's unclear to me that a "real" Romney exists.


This.
2012-10-02 02:51:36 PM
1 votes:
See now, that's a zinger. What Romney's planning on doing tomorrow night, not so much. Like Jon Stewart said the other night, if you've been rehearsing it for months, it's not really a zinger.
2012-10-02 02:23:24 PM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: "At this point, it's unclear to me that a "real" Romney exists."

You won't know until you open the box that contains the Quantum Romney.


But like things in a quantum state, the mere act of observing it on Election Day will cause it to spectacularly collapse.
2012-10-02 01:06:16 PM
1 votes:
Zing!
2012-10-02 12:52:46 PM
1 votes:
"At this point, it's unclear to me that a "real" Romney exists."

You won't know until you open the box that contains the Quantum Romney.
 
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