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2012-10-02 02:50:29 PM
meh, 0bama's numbers about the level of unemployment we would have or the number of shovel ready jobs he would create have been a bigger drag on the economy and have hurt the middle and lower class far more.
 
2012-10-02 02:51:01 PM
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These are not the numbers you are looking for...
 
2012-10-02 02:51:07 PM
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2012-10-02 02:51:43 PM

Imperialism: randomjsa: And Obama is going to cut your health care bill by 2500 dollars right after he cuts the deficit in half... Really, he means it.

Oh and his health care bill is going to 'save money' provided you use this magic set of numbers that will never happen.

In either event, Ryan's plan to do something about run away spending is at least a plan to do something about it... As opposed to Obama's plan, which is to throw some more coal in the furnace so that train wreck can be really spectacular. Not like you're going to blame him for it when it happens.

BSABSVR


Amazing anytime someone talks about a republican the amount of deflection sent democrats way. Sooner or later conservatives need to look at their candidates and what they say and do instead of the simple idea "demorats bat!"
 
2012-10-02 02:51:49 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: meh, 0bama's numbers about the level of unemployment we would have or the number of shovel ready jobs he would create have been a bigger drag on the economy and have hurt the middle and lower class far more.


When do you think we will be seeing Republican math to all their promises?

Romney loves his: "12 million employed" line.
 
2012-10-02 02:51:53 PM
"My God... it's full of derp."
 
2012-10-02 02:52:14 PM
Heres the thing PAUL RYAN, how about you put your tax increase(and eliminate deductions and loop holes and make all Rich people keep their money in the good-ole U.S.A.) for the wealthy in a nicely written contract with the people and if you win and if you fail to increase taxes on the wealthy by 100%, then the people get to flog you for the rest of your days in the center of Americas town square.

/Lynch mobs are only illegal when the target is not a contractually obligated participant.
 
2012-10-02 02:53:06 PM
Have you guys ever had a boss like this?

I have. They do something like this

Boss: We need a way to get the work done by next Friday

Employee 1: We could remove some of the less important work so we can get it done faster!

Boss: No we need it all completed.

Employee 2: We could bring more people in to work on it from another group.

Boss: No they are too busy too.

Stupid Employee 3: We could come in on Sat...

Boss: That would work!!! You guys come in on Saturday!!! I wouldn't ask you to do it but since you guys volunteered.


This is the sae BS with budget cuts and deductions. The Republicans are playing this game to force the Democrats to make them so then they will blame it on them. They already did it with the cuts they already made.
 
2012-10-02 02:53:13 PM

randomjsa: Ryan's plan to do something about run away spending is at least a plan to do something about it


what's his plan?
 
2012-10-02 02:53:50 PM
Why won't someone make it easy and say if the plan is revenue neutral and some people are going to pay less who is going to pay more? Or, does everyone pay the same, and if so what's the point in a plan that doesn't actually change anything.
 
2012-10-02 02:54:01 PM

NateGrey: tenpoundsofcheese: meh, 0bama's numbers about the level of unemployment we would have or the number of shovel ready jobs he would create have been a bigger drag on the economy and have hurt the middle and lower class far more.

When do you think we will be seeing Republican math to all their promises?

Romney loves his: "12 million employed" line.


12 million employed in the next four years are record levels unheard of. That's like breaking the record of the most of billiard balls in your mouth by 10.
 
2012-10-02 02:54:21 PM
"You don't say to Congress, to Democrats, that you want to work with, 'Take it or leave it, it's everything, it's all my way or the highway," Ryan responded.

This is all we've been doing to them for 4 years and really, really hope they will just forgive and forget if we win the executive branch.
 
2012-10-02 02:54:34 PM

unexplained bacon: what's his plan?


To do something about it.
 
2012-10-02 02:54:39 PM
Ryan's economic plan:
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2012-10-02 02:54:48 PM
">He didn't say who it worked for, that it just worked so he's technically right which as everyone knows is the best kind of right 

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2012-10-02 02:55:16 PM
seems that the GOP on fark would like to change the subject.

odd.
 
2012-10-02 02:56:04 PM
thepoliticalcarnival.net
 
2012-10-02 02:56:11 PM

mcreadyblue: Came for Walter White references, leaving unsatisfied.


24.media.tumblr.com
How about Wayne White instead.
 
2012-10-02 02:56:37 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: meh, 0bama's numbers about the level of unemployment ... have been a bigger drag on the economy ....


He altered the economy through numerology? Strong Keynesian Kenyan magic!
 
2012-10-02 02:57:16 PM

ILostMyPassword: Why won't someone make it easy and say if the plan is revenue neutral and some people are going to pay less who is going to pay more? Or, does everyone pay the same, and if so what's the point in a plan that doesn't actually change anything.


Everyone pays less and therefore the government will spend less, therefore the plan is revenue neutral, just like every plan before it
 
2012-10-02 02:57:21 PM
even if you completely eliminated all tax deductions for high earners - the mortgage interest deduction, the charitable deduction, the exclusion of healthcare benefits, etc. - it still wouldn't make up for the 20% rate cut Romney wants to give them.
 
2012-10-02 02:57:23 PM

sprawl15: unexplained bacon: what's his plan?

To do something about it.


Q: like what?

A: implement their plan

Q: what plan?

A: the plan to do something about it.

/repeat until election
//quality GOP ideas to do things about stuff at some point.
 
2012-10-02 02:58:01 PM

randomjsa: In either event, Ryan's plan to do something about run away spending is at least a plan to do something about it.


please explain to us how cutting taxes reduces spending?

Also Romney said he was going to massively increase spending on the military (which is the largest discretionary spending in the US government). They also said they are going to put back the 716 million in medicare waste Obamacare cuts. Why do you pretend that is not spending?

Sorry cutting planned parenthood doesn't make a dent in any of that.
 
2012-10-02 02:58:23 PM

unexplained bacon: sprawl15: unexplained bacon: what's his plan?

To do something about it.

Q: like what?

A: implement their plan

Q: what plan?

A: the plan to do something about it.

/repeat until election
//quality GOP ideas to do things about stuff at some point.


You forgot the fork where they state that Obama has done nothing and cite gas prices and/or unemployment numbers from before/the start of the economic crash.
 
2012-10-02 02:58:57 PM

Minarets: FTFA: "You don't say to Congress, to Democrats, that you want to work with, 'Take it or leave it, it's everything, it's all my way or the highway," Ryan responded.


Wait. How can the math work if he doesn't even know what the democrats will agree to, since he says they'll compromise with them?

This is not farking psycho-history. He obviously has some idea, some baseline he'd like to see. So why won't he friggen come out with it?!

Probably because he knows it would sink the campaign.
 
2012-10-02 02:59:11 PM
dudemanbro on Paul Ryan's continued existence: "If he had any honor he would kill himself."
 
2012-10-02 02:59:32 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: meh, 0bama's numbers about the level of unemployment we would have or the number of shovel ready jobs he would create have been a bigger drag on the economy and have hurt the middle and lower class far more.


I see you are still batting 1000 in your inability to say a single positive thing about the GOP ticket or even offer a single word in support of any of their policies.

You must really frustrate servers in restaurants when they come to take your order:

"And what would sir like this evening?"

"Anything but surstromming. I HATE surstromming."

"Very well, sir, I absolutely promise I will not serve you surstromming., What would you like to order?"

"Did I mention that I absolulely will not eat surstromming? Because I won't. That sh*t is vile."

etc.
 
2012-10-02 03:01:29 PM
"But the rich will reinvest! They don't need to be taxed. It historically has always worked that way." They farking pinky swear. When are people going to get it? They hold all the cards. Isn't their hand loaded enough? They don't get rich without the rest of us... Eh forget it, same old shiat.
 
2012-10-02 03:02:29 PM
I have been told numerous times by republicans that we cannot balance the budget by increasing taxes on the rich. Now I'm supposed to believe them when they say that eliminating loopholes and deductions for the upper class will not only balance the budget but give everyone a 20% tax cut?

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2012-10-02 03:02:47 PM

sprawl15: unexplained bacon: sprawl15: unexplained bacon: what's his plan?

To do something about it.

Q: like what?

A: implement their plan

Q: what plan?

A: the plan to do something about it.

/repeat until election
//quality GOP ideas to do things about stuff at some point.

You forgot the fork where they state that Obama has done nothing and cite gas prices and/or unemployment numbers from before/the start of the economic crash.



it's all a plan to plan, or "hey look over there!"

good luck in the debate MItt. Better hope no one notices.
 
2012-10-02 03:05:00 PM
POTATOE
 
2012-10-02 03:05:07 PM
and just like that...


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math was gone.
 
2012-10-02 03:05:29 PM

jayhawk88: "What we are saying is, by subjecting higher income earners' income to more taxation, remove tax shelters, lower deductions for higher income people, more of their income is subject to taxation so you can lower tax rates for everybody across the board and shelter the middle class from any kind of tax increase. There is obviously enough fiscal space to lower tax rates 20 percent, keep these middle-class preferences," Ryan added. "We have shown how that works."

No you haven't, you farking twit. You just keep saying it; that's not showing how it would work. This isn't Catechism.


If I was Obama at the debate tomorrow. I would keep on referencing Ryan's plan and tearing it apart. I would also deliberately interchange elements Romney has said with things that Ryan has said.

The sheer chaos of Romney saying that this is Ryan's old plan and not our new plan and not having any details will just cause complete chaos in Romney's responses. If done right, Obama can attribute something Romney said to Ryan and have Romney discredit it as not part of their platform even though it was actually a quote from Romney. No matter what Romney's says, all Obama has to say is "Let's see the details." Things get heated, Obama can always say "how can you expect the American voters to trust you on tax issues when you won't even come clean on your own tax records".

The long Obama can keep the subject revolving around taxes, the greater the destruction. Romney talks debt, Obama throws it back to tax cuts making it worse. Romney talks jobs, Obama throws it back to tax cuts not being a solution. Obama is going to keep this thing on taxes all night.
 
2012-10-02 03:07:28 PM

anfrind: Ryan's economic plan:


I am having a really dumb moment, (Like Ryan actually), can someone explain what is going on here?
 
2012-10-02 03:07:59 PM

Lost Thought 00: Any vote for a Republican is a vote for the Fiscal Ruin of the US. They are solely responsible for every ounce of debt this country has


No no, not solely responsible for every ounce. Just mostly responsible for almost every ounce.
 
2012-10-02 03:08:00 PM
Is this like Karlton Rove and his spiffy little theory how there is math and then there is THE math?
 
2012-10-02 03:08:38 PM

anfrind: Ryan's economic plan:
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This is hurting my brain.
 
2012-10-02 03:08:42 PM

unexplained bacon: Q: like what?

A: implement their plan

Q: what plan?

A: the plan to do something about it. At least we have a plan!


/small addition
 
2012-10-02 03:09:40 PM

mrshowrules: anfrind: Ryan's economic plan:
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This is hurting my brain.


Never mind I see it now. Good one.
 
2012-10-02 03:11:15 PM
The plan is to cut taxes by 20% for everyone. Then you eliminate the deductions taken by the middle class like childcare, mortgage interest, etc... High income earners don't need these deductions or they are immaterial to them. Net impact is a wash for the middle class and a 20% save for Rmoney and his cronies.
 
2012-10-02 03:13:14 PM

Girl From The North Country: The plan is to cut taxes by 20% for everyone. Then you eliminate the deductions taken by the middle class like childcare, mortgage interest, etc... High income earners don't need these deductions or they are immaterial to them. Net impact is a wash for the middle class and a 20% save for Rmoney and his cronies.


...with the added benefit of reduced revenue, which will drive down the deficit.
 
2012-10-02 03:14:25 PM

randomjsa: In either event, Ryan's plan to do something about run away spending is at least a plan to do something about it...


Seriously, what have they said they would do about it?

They have said this:

They will drastically increase the 500+ Billion defense budget.
They have said they will put back the 716 Billion in Obamacare medicare savings.
They have said they are going to cut everyone's tax rates.


What specifically have they said about cut spending other than small BS things like cutting planned parenthood funds which actually cost the government more money in the long run?
 
2012-10-02 03:14:49 PM

hillbillypharmacist: Girl From The North Country: The plan is to cut taxes by 20% for everyone. Then you eliminate the deductions taken by the middle class like childcare, mortgage interest, etc... High income earners don't need these deductions or they are immaterial to them. Net impact is a wash for the middle class and a 20% save for Rmoney and his cronies.

...with the added benefit of reduced revenue, which will drive down the deficit.


As it always has!
 
2012-10-02 03:15:03 PM
From the Crackpot Index:

15. 10 points for each statement along the lines of "I'm not good at math, but my theory is conceptually right, so all I need is for someone to express it in terms of equations".
 
2012-10-02 03:16:07 PM
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randomjsa: And Obama is going to cut your health care bill by 2500 dollars right after he cuts the deficit in half... Really, he means it.

Oh and his health care bill is going to 'save money' provided you use this magic set of numbers that will never happen.

In either event, Ryan's plan to do something about run away spending is at least a plan to do something about it... As opposed to Obama's plan, which is to throw some more coal in the furnace so that train wreck can be really spectacular. Not like you're going to blame him for it when it happens.


tenpoundsofcheese: meh, 0bama's numbers about the level of unemployment we would have or the number of shovel ready jobs he would create have been a bigger drag on the economy and have hurt the middle and lower class far more.


I'm confused, It thought one of you was supposed to always tell the truth. 
 
2012-10-02 03:18:06 PM

ghall3: I am having a really dumb moment, (Like Ryan actually), can someone explain what is going on here?


Well, it seems that the Mitt and Paul show are going to lower everyone's tax rate by 20%... they're going to accomplish this by ALSO removing tax deductions and rebates so that the whole thing is revenue neutral.

So this creates a couple of possibilities if what they're intending to do is actually mathematically viable...

1)The amount of taxes reduced when applied to the deductions taken means that every US citizen pays exactly what they do right now in taxes. So basically, no change, papers just got shuffled around.

2)There is a redistribution of wealth to one of the three main classes (we'll call them lower, middle and upper).

If result 1 happens... why even bother?

If result 2 happens, what are the details of which deductions are disallowed? Because most of the US is middle and lower class, it's safe to assume that these are the classes that would be affected negatively. Why? Because if there was a positive effect on the majority of potential voters, they'd be crowing their plan from the rooftops... as it is, they are extremely reluctant to talk about any details whatsoever aside from the 20% cut figure.
 
2012-10-02 03:18:21 PM
"Stop asking so many questions and just FARKING ELECT ME!!!"

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2012-10-02 03:19:59 PM

Mercutio74: If result 2 happens, what are the details of which deductions are disallowed? Because most of the US is middle and lower class, it's safe to assume that these are the classes that would be affected negatively. Why? Because if there was a positive effect on the majority of potential voters, they'd be crowing their plan from the rooftops... as it is, they are extremely reluctant to talk about any details whatsoever aside from the 20% cut figure.


Actually, the assumption in this case is that it will flow from the upper to the lower. The lower the income of an individual, the lower their opportunity to take advantage of numerous tax loopholes. You don't need to be a gabrillionare to have a Caymans account, but it's not worth the effort if you're only gonna stash $5k.

Lower income people and smaller businesses pay the closest to their nominal rates.
 
2012-10-02 03:20:52 PM
Two plus two equals ten...IN BASE FOUR I'M FINE.
 
2012-10-02 03:22:16 PM
I'm just surprised he's not calling for an elimination of capital gains taxes. I guess that would come on the first day in office. Along with the Patriot American Family Freedom Enduring Justice Lazy Welfare Queens Must Scrub Toilets If They Want to Eat And When We Say Clean We Mean Clean Biatch Act.
 
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