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(Mother Jones)   No crazy right-wing Obama hatred here, just Ralph Reed's group spouting: An Obama victory means "He can complete America's destruction"   (motherjones.com) divider line 139
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2012-10-02 11:59:12 AM
If he's going to destroy "real mare-kuh" then that's change I can believe in.
 
2012-10-02 12:00:24 PM
I thought RR went away. Who let him back in?
 
2012-10-02 12:09:32 PM
Reed, once hailed as the "Right Hand of God" on the cover of Time magazine, founded the Faith and Freedom Coalition in 2009.

because that's the sort of humility the Christian god told his worshipers that he wanted to see in his followers, right?

yeesh. f*cking nutballs.
 
2012-10-02 12:22:33 PM
See this is the kind of rhetoric that can get someone killed.
 
2012-10-02 12:25:24 PM

silo123j: See this is the kind of rhetoric that can get someone killed.


if nothing else, it riles up the base to dangerous levels. what happens when Obama wins? the religious right ramps up the rank and file, then loses....and they've still got a lot of VERY pissed off followers on their hands. followers who've been told (and who really believe) that a guy who is literally going to destroy everything they love and believe in just got put back in charge of the country. All that energy is going to go looking for an outlet.
 
2012-10-02 12:25:37 PM

Weaver95: Reed, once hailed as the "Right Hand of God" on the cover of Time magazine, founded the Faith and Freedom Coalition in 2009.

because that's the sort of humility the Christian god told his worshipers that he wanted to see in his followers, right?

yeesh. f*cking nutballs.


I'll just quote one of my sisters facebook posts.. I'm the black sheep of the family, the disgusting, gay loving, n**r loving, liberal.

"I'm not a Republican. If I was, I would have voted for McCain in 2008 but I did not :-) I just see Obama as the anti-christ."
 
2012-10-02 12:35:39 PM

xynix: Weaver95: Reed, once hailed as the "Right Hand of God" on the cover of Time magazine, founded the Faith and Freedom Coalition in 2009.

because that's the sort of humility the Christian god told his worshipers that he wanted to see in his followers, right?

yeesh. f*cking nutballs.

I'll just quote one of my sisters facebook posts.. I'm the black sheep of the family, the disgusting, gay loving, n**r loving, liberal.

"I'm not a Republican. If I was, I would have voted for McCain in 2008 but I did not :-) I just see Obama as the anti-christ."


i'm fine with people voting their religious beliefs. even if they happen to be crazy and think Obama is an alien or the anti-christ. but....sometimes I really do wonder about the religious right in this country. they don't seem reasonable people, and I doubt that they'd respect the constitution should they ever actually manage to grab hold of real power in this country. one of the biggest selling points I've used on some of my undecided friends has been to quote the evangelicals. If you vote Republican then by default you are voting for the crazy christian evangelicals. that's just how it is with the GOP nowdays. you cannot scrub the jesus out of the Republican party. you vote Republican - no matter what your reasons are - then you are voting for the crazy right wing religious agenda.

And that's helped people decide to not vote Republican anymore. very few people want to live in a theocracy, even a christian one. it's just bad for all of us.
 
2012-10-02 12:36:35 PM
When the Christian Taliban talks about the "Destruction of America," they mean the destruction of their envisioned Theocracy. The sooner we blow that up the better.
 
2012-10-02 12:39:38 PM

Weaver95: silo123j: See this is the kind of rhetoric that can get someone killed.

if nothing else, it riles up the base to dangerous levels. what happens when Obama wins? the religious right ramps up the rank and file, then loses....and they've still got a lot of VERY pissed off followers on their hands. followers who've been told (and who really believe) that a guy who is literally going to destroy everything they love and believe in just got put back in charge of the country. All that energy is going to go looking for an outlet.


With any luck they turn on themselves.
 
2012-10-02 12:41:52 PM
If God existed and actually took a hand in Earth affairs, it would be cool if It would appear once and biatchslap almost all of Its believers, telling them to shut the fark up and be sane.

I tend to think that if such a being exists, It would just be sitting back, kind of paying attention, kind of not, looking out over all creation, realizing that whatever happens isn't a big deal in the cosmic sense of things, maybe getting a chuckle out of what farkheads we are.
 
2012-10-02 12:45:18 PM

Weaver95: if nothing else, it riles up the base to dangerous levels. what happens when Obama wins? the religious right ramps up the rank and file, then loses....and they've still got a lot of VERY pissed off followers on their hands. followers who've been told (and who really believe) that a guy who is literally going to destroy everything they love and believe in just got put back in charge of the country. All that energy is going to go looking for an outlet.


the reverse of that is true as well. What happens if O looses? Especially with all the polls with ridiculous lead for Obama, the left wing will go nuts! It will be OWSx10 all over the place...

I mean really, all kidding aside, do you really think people are going to get violent over an election? I don't. If we are, then we are farked whoever wins.
 
2012-10-02 12:45:34 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Weaver95: silo123j: See this is the kind of rhetoric that can get someone killed.

if nothing else, it riles up the base to dangerous levels. what happens when Obama wins? the religious right ramps up the rank and file, then loses....and they've still got a lot of VERY pissed off followers on their hands. followers who've been told (and who really believe) that a guy who is literally going to destroy everything they love and believe in just got put back in charge of the country. All that energy is going to go looking for an outlet.

With any luck they turn on themselves.


while I wouldn't say the evangelicals are 'yelling fire in a crowded theater'....I'd say they're the guys who showed up to see a movie with several cans of gas and handed out road flares to everyone who walked in the door.
 
2012-10-02 12:47:32 PM

EatTheWorld:

the reverse of that is true as well. What happens if O looses? Especially with all the polls with ridiculous lead for Obama, the left wing will go nuts! It will be OWSx10 all over the place...


I don't see the Democrats running around calling Romney the anti-christ, or saying that he's going to end all life in the universe should he get elected.

I mean really, all kidding aside, do you really think people are going to get violent over an election? I don't. If we are, then we are farked whoever wins.

I think it's possible, yes.
 
2012-10-02 12:47:45 PM

vartian: When the Christian Taliban talks about the "Destruction of America," they mean the destruction of their envisioned Theocracy. The sooner we blow that up the better.


This theocracy talk is nonsense. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Liberalism is a much a religion as Christianity is. Either way, someone feels like they're being screwed.
 
2012-10-02 12:48:10 PM

Weaver95: and I doubt that they'd respect the constitution should they ever actually manage to grab hold of real power in this country


Of course they wouldn't. Put yourself in their shoes. Which do you think matters more to them?

Their Bible and what they think are the demands of their god? Or a document made by men that's been used to deny them the ability to enact Christian sharia?
 
2012-10-02 12:48:53 PM

EatTheWorld: Liberalism is a much a religion as Christianity is


You're so f*cking stupid, you shouldn't be allowed out in public without a helmet.
 
2012-10-02 12:50:51 PM
I'm certain that if Jesus were to return to Earth today, not only would He not recognize today's "Christians", today's "Christians" would accuse Him of being a Socialist and a danger to America, and probably have Him shipped to GITMO for a sham trial and summary execution.
 
2012-10-02 12:51:07 PM

EatTheWorld: vartian: When the Christian Taliban talks about the "Destruction of America," they mean the destruction of their envisioned Theocracy. The sooner we blow that up the better.

This theocracy talk is nonsense. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Liberalism is a much a religion as Christianity is. Either way, someone feels like they're being screwed.


ok, so - WHY do you think the Republicans aren't advocating theocracy? or to be more accurate, why do you think the evangelicals within the GOP aren't trying to make this country into a theocracy?

just set the Democrats and 'libruls' aside for a moment and try to explain why you believe that the GOP evangelicals aren't trying to push a theocratic government on all of us....
 
2012-10-02 12:52:10 PM

EatTheWorld: Liberalism is a much a religion as Christianity is

.

Okay, well I am eager to see how you can justify that statement.

Either way, someone feels like they're being screwed.

Oh. You can't. You didn't even try.

You do realize that when you believe something is true even in the face of facts and reason, that it means you are the religious one and not the other way around, yes?
 
2012-10-02 12:54:33 PM

Weaver95: Reed, once hailed as the "Right Hand of God" on the cover of Time magazine, founded the Faith and Freedom Coalition in 2009.

because that's the sort of humility the Christian god told his worshipers that he wanted to see in his followers, right?

yeesh. f*cking nutballs.


Matthew 6

King James Version (KJV)

6 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;

18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
 

How soon they forget...
 
2012-10-02 12:58:45 PM

EatTheWorld: vartian: When the Christian Taliban talks about the "Destruction of America," they mean the destruction of their envisioned Theocracy. The sooner we blow that up the better.

This theocracy talk is nonsense. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Liberalism is a much a religion as Christianity is. Either way, someone feels like they're being screwed.


I just colored you "retarded".
 
2012-10-02 12:59:53 PM
We shall now read from the Gospel of the Holy Hysteria, chapter 2, verse 3....

/DERP!, I say unto thee, DERP! DERP!
 
2012-10-02 01:00:42 PM

Weaver95: ok, so - WHY do you think the Republicans aren't advocating theocracy? or to be more accurate, why do you think the evangelicals within the GOP aren't trying to make this country into a theocracy?

just set the Democrats and 'libruls' aside for a moment and try to explain why you believe that the GOP evangelicals aren't trying to push a theocratic government on all of us....



ok i gotta got work in 5 so this will be quick..

when liberals protest wall street, and fight for economic "fairness", they are fanatics one way or the other. Their church is government, and any democrat a god.

I also don't see abortion bans, or keeping contraception private, or DADT as theocratic positions. But I'm sure you do. Just like you don't see progressive taxation, taxpayer funded abortion, or forced gay integration as anything but liberal policy. To me those policies do the same as the supposed theocratic repulican suppression liberals claim, just from the other side.
 
2012-10-02 01:01:10 PM

EatTheWorld: vartian: When the Christian Taliban talks about the "Destruction of America," they mean the destruction of their envisioned Theocracy. The sooner we blow that up the better.

This theocracy talk is nonsense. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Liberalism is a much a religion as Christianity is. Either way, someone feels like they're being screwed.


Holy farking shiat that is goddamn hilarious.
 
2012-10-02 01:03:58 PM
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Sono la mano destra di Dio, Signore Reed
 
2012-10-02 01:09:33 PM

Dogberry: I thought RR went away. Who let him back in?


The cooldown period expired.

Neocons and wingnuts will always be forgiven by the wingnut base eventually, regardless of what their transgressions may have been They just have to wait for the cooldown timer to expire, and they get to respawn in the next administration, Fox News, or a military contract firm.
 
2012-10-02 01:09:33 PM

Tigger: Holy farking shiat that is goddamn hilarious.


you see when everything is a religion, for example climate change, liberalism, atheism, then both sides truly ARE bad and furthermore comma
 
2012-10-02 01:10:59 PM

Jackson Herring: Tigger: Holy farking shiat that is goddamn hilarious.

you see when everything is a religion, for example climate change, liberalism, atheism, then both sides truly ARE bad and furthermore comma


The american political system is a product of liberalism.
Liberalism is a religion
Christianity is a religion
Therefore America is a religious country

THE ARISTOCRATS!
 
2012-10-02 01:12:14 PM

EatTheWorld: I also don't see abortion bans, or keeping contraception private, or DADT as theocratic positions. But I'm sure you do. Just like you don't see progressive taxation, taxpayer funded abortion, or forced gay integration as anything but liberal policy. To me those policies do the same as the supposed theocratic repulican suppression liberals claim, just from the other side.


weknowmemes.com
 
2012-10-02 01:15:06 PM
I don't know who Ralph Reed is, but where do all these paranoid, delusional right-wing freaks come from? It's like they're a different species of human (or something), with diminished brain capacity.
 
2012-10-02 01:16:33 PM

EatTheWorld: when liberals protest wall street, and fight for economic "fairness", they are fanatics one way or the other. Their church is government, and any democrat a god.

I also don't see abortion bans, or keeping contraception private, or DADT as theocratic positions. But I'm sure you do. Just like you don't see progressive taxation, taxpayer funded abortion, or forced gay integration as anything but liberal policy. To me those policies do the same as the supposed theocratic repulican suppression liberals claim, just from the other side.


This is what your average teabagger actually believes.
 
2012-10-02 01:27:09 PM

dudemanbro: I don't know who Ralph Reed is, but where do all these paranoid, delusional right-wing freaks come from? It's like they're a different species of human (or something), with diminished brain capacity.


Pretty simple.. Lets take Justin Bieber or those fat people from south Georgia (the state). People believe in their product.. and that should scare you. He has a fan base, they all do, he's just a B actor though.
 
2012-10-02 01:30:38 PM
Obama wants to destroy America.

If someone says, "but unemployment is falling, housing prices are starting to rebound, and corporate profits and GDP are at an all time high."

You tell them they just admitted Obama can't do anything right!
 
2012-10-02 01:31:15 PM

EatTheWorld:
ok i gotta got work in 5 so this will be quick..

when liberals protest wall street, and fight for economic "fairness", they are fanatics one way or the other. Their church is government, and any democrat a god.


I specifically asked you to leave the democrats out of your explanation. I wanted you to focus ONLY on the evangelicals within the GOP and how you see their agenda. you couldn't follow that simple request though, could you...?

I also don't see abortion bans, or keeping contraception private, or DADT as theocratic positions. But I'm sure you do. Just like you don't see progressive taxation, taxpayer funded abortion, or forced gay integration as anything but liberal policy. To me those policies do the same as the supposed theocratic repulican suppression liberals claim, just from the other side.

I honestly don't know what to make of this statement.
 
2012-10-02 01:37:38 PM

Weaver95: I honestly don't know what to make of this statement.


This is why there's no possible chance the moderates will ever regain control of the GOP. How the hell can you compromise and debate people who uses phrases like "forced gay integration"

This is the modern GOP.
 
2012-10-02 01:44:22 PM
Actually I don't think this has anything to do with religion. Near the end of the letter:

"Whatever you can contribute will help. The stakes in this battle for our children and grandchildren's future could not be bigger. The very survival or freedon in America now hangs in the balance."

Reed's just a religious huckster looking to fleece the paranoid flock.
 
2012-10-02 01:46:40 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: If God existed and actually took a hand in Earth affairs, it would be cool if It would appear once and biatchslap almost all of Its believers, telling them to shut the fark up and be sane.

I tend to think that if such a being exists, It would just be sitting back, kind of paying attention, kind of not, looking out over all creation, realizing that whatever happens isn't a big deal in the cosmic sense of things, maybe getting a chuckle out of what farkheads we are.


If I was God, I would be frequently be re-loading from a previous save point.
 
2012-10-02 01:49:45 PM
Ralph Reed and his bestest buddy Pat Robertson both think Mormomism is a cult, and have said so. Why would you listen to racist hypocrites?
 
2012-10-02 01:51:49 PM
I would like to see all of these right wingers wager their life on their predictions.
 
2012-10-02 01:57:22 PM

Aarontology: Weaver95: I honestly don't know what to make of this statement.

This is why there's no possible chance the moderates will ever regain control of the GOP. How the hell can you compromise and debate people who uses phrases like "forced gay integration"

This is the modern GOP.


I don't know how to talk to someone who can only frame modern social issues in religious terms.
 
2012-10-02 01:58:18 PM

EatTheWorld: vartian: When the Christian Taliban talks about the "Destruction of America," they mean the destruction of their envisioned Theocracy. The sooner we blow that up the better.

This theocracy talk is nonsense. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Liberalism is a much a religion as Christianity is. Either way, someone feels like they're being screwed.


This has got to be the stupidest thing ever submitted to FARK. Christians believe in God. What higher power/being do liberals believe in? Are atheists who are liberals therefore hypocrites, if "liberalism" is a religion? What building or place of worship do liberals go to, and what day of the week do they go? Do they have a uniform prayer book? Do they have holy days? Do they have saints?
 
2012-10-02 02:01:52 PM

Weaver95: I don't know how to talk to someone who can only frame modern social issues in religious terms.


It's amazing. And yet, he denies he's a theocrat.

"Forced gay integration." Really?
 
2012-10-02 02:07:17 PM

Weaver95: EatTheWorld:
ok i gotta got work in 5 so this will be quick..

when liberals protest wall street, and fight for economic "fairness", they are fanatics one way or the other. Their church is government, and any democrat a god.

I specifically asked you to leave the democrats out of your explanation. I wanted you to focus ONLY on the evangelicals within the GOP and how you see their agenda. you couldn't follow that simple request though, could you...?

I also don't see abortion bans, or keeping contraception private, or DADT as theocratic positions. But I'm sure you do. Just like you don't see progressive taxation, taxpayer funded abortion, or forced gay integration as anything but liberal policy. To me those policies do the same as the supposed theocratic repulican suppression liberals claim, just from the other side.

I honestly don't know what to make of this statement.


Rearrange the words, see if you can make something that makes more sense.
 
2012-10-02 02:07:32 PM

Dogberry: I thought RR went away. Who let him back in?


Someone thawed him out on accident, I think.
 
2012-10-02 02:07:57 PM

Coco LaFemme: EatTheWorld: vartian: When the Christian Taliban talks about the "Destruction of America," they mean the destruction of their envisioned Theocracy. The sooner we blow that up the better.

This theocracy talk is nonsense. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Liberalism is a much a religion as Christianity is. Either way, someone feels like they're being screwed.

This has got to be the stupidest thing ever submitted to FARK. Christians believe in God. What higher power/being do liberals believe in? Are atheists who are liberals therefore hypocrites, if "liberalism" is a religion? What building or place of worship do liberals go to, and what day of the week do they go? Do they have a uniform prayer book? Do they have holy days? Do they have saints?


you know what else throws me about EatTheWorld's comments? he started by saying 'theocracy talk was nonsense' and then changed subjects to attack 'liberals'. the logical progression SHOULD go something like this: 1. theocracy talk is nonsense and 2. here's why the GOP isn't pushing theocracy blah blah blah. But EatTheWorld didn't do that, he immediately went on a rant about 'liberals'. he didn't support his point about Republicans NOT being theocrats.

i've noticed that from a lot of rank and file GOP types. they never actually stop to consider what it is they're saying. there isn't any logical progression to their thoughts or any real attempt to link their ideology into a coherent whole. the pattern is usually 'statement XYZ is wrong' followed by 'And liberals do ABC so there!' At no point can you make the GOP rank and file go back and actually explain WHY they believe 'statement XYZ' is wrong. it's wrong because they just feel it's wrong. I very much doubt that any member of the GOP rank and file could really explain just why they believe in their ideology in the first place.
 
2012-10-02 02:08:31 PM
EatTheWorld: vartian: When the Christian Taliban talks about the "Destruction of America," they mean the destruction of their envisioned Theocracy. The sooner we blow that up the better.

This theocracy talk is nonsense. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Liberalism is a much a religion as Christianity is. Either way, someone feels like they're being screwed.


lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-10-02 02:10:18 PM

Aarontology: "forced gay integration"


The phrase doesn't even make sense when applied to the situation at hand, since gays are and have been in the military for a really long time (i.e. since the dawn of time, much less the dawn of the Republic).

It is empirically different than the "forced integration" that they are (obviously) alluding to.
 
2012-10-02 02:11:47 PM

Weaver95: i've noticed that from a lot of rank and file GOP types.


It's not just rank and file GOP types. Ron Paul types will also do the same thing. If you counter a statement with something that, at the very least, mitigates the certainty of that statement, they will leap to a completely different point, unrelated to the original.

It's why I don't really discuss anything with Paulians anymore.
 
2012-10-02 02:13:06 PM

hubiestubert: EatTheWorld: vartian: When the Christian Taliban talks about the "Destruction of America," they mean the destruction of their envisioned Theocracy. The sooner we blow that up the better.

This theocracy talk is nonsense. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Liberalism is a much a religion as Christianity is. Either way, someone feels like they're being screwed.

[Link][lh4.googleusercontent.com image 512x640]


"Liberalism" is a religion in the same way that a pork is a vegetable.
 
2012-10-02 02:13:24 PM

Aarontology: Weaver95: I don't know how to talk to someone who can only frame modern social issues in religious terms.

It's amazing. And yet, he denies he's a theocrat.

"Forced gay integration." Really?


every time an evangelical mentions 'forced gay integration' I keep thinking of 'queer eye for the straight guy'. is that wrong?
 
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