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(Wired)   Rarely is the question asked: Should we build a supercomputer on the moon?   (wired.com) divider line 73
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2012-10-02 07:51:52 PM  
eh, just used entangled particles in the units sync'd with base sites on earth,
and you've removed the go-between...
 
2012-10-02 08:26:10 PM  
Well, at least then, when it becomes self-aware, and we try to shut it off but it is too late, it will be stuck on the Moon.
 
2012-10-02 08:35:51 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Well, at least then, when it becomes self-aware, and we try to shut it off but it is too late, it will be stuck on the Moon.


If someone hadn't already made a mass effect reference to Edi, I'd be making one now...
 
2012-10-02 09:00:16 PM  

GameSprocket: First, why put the computers up there if what you are looking for are antennas? Second, the moon may be cold, but the atmosphere is very thin and thermal conductivity is poor, so don't think it solves all of your cooling problems. Why nuclear? The same face of the moon always faces the Sun and I don't think you would have a problem finding space for a solar array. Also, I hope you are planning on covering the place with a lot of rock. There will be no magnetosphere to protect from cosmic rays.

/Debby downer


Radiative and conductive cooling, not convective cooling, are used in space. How do you think the space station gets rid of excess heat?

The nuke question has been partly answered. Part of the proposal is to put the computing facility in a permanently-shaded crater near a pole to take advantage of the cold for superconducting use. It's hard to get solar power where there is no sunlight.

The idea is that you can use the moon computing center to crunch the raw data from the probes, and then send on the processed data to earth. The processed data will be more compact. You will also free up the high gain antennas (complex and rare) used on earth for the deep space network because the moon center will be taking up some of the reception load. You can just use lower gain antennas (cheap and more common) to get the data from the moon to earth.

Facilities at a depth of 2m are estimated to be properly shielded for long-term human habitation. There are numerous lava tubes from ancient eruptions in many places on the moon. Use one of these as a starter location, and you have a pretty decent setup without a bunch of digging.

Plus the female crew will be required to be dressed like this:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-02 11:03:05 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Well, at least then, when it becomes self-aware, and we try to shut it off but it is too late, it will be stuck on the Moon.


You got it.
Never place a device somewhere that you cannot easily pull the plug if something goes wrong.

Haven't we learned from Superman 3?
 
2012-10-02 11:16:00 PM  
Only if they build it from a series of tubes.
 
2012-10-02 11:51:50 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Of course not. We should 3D print it on the Moon. Free helium-3! Nanofusion power plants will be the first thing to be 3D printed.


You have the right idea.

We should be working towards creating something worthwhile in our short lives!
 
2012-10-03 01:16:11 AM  
Let's GO!
 
2012-10-03 04:06:23 AM  

Arkanaut: /you could also convince me to build a catapult on the moon


IIRC, it was actually a giant rail gun, not a true catapult.

The problem isn't building a supercomputer to run the Moon. It's going back decades later to rescue its personality and download it into a human body.

/now that's actually proper obscure.
 
2012-10-03 06:42:15 AM  

InsaneChemE: scanman61: Only of we name it Mike.

Came for this reference. Leaving satisfied.


Ditto.
 
2012-10-03 06:44:38 AM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: InsaneChemE: scanman61: Only of we name it Mike.

Came for this reference. Leaving satisfied.

Ditto.


That.
 
2012-10-03 11:09:32 AM  
"only if we name it Mike"
good call. and yes we should. any excuse to build a base in my opinion, is a good one.
 
2012-10-03 12:27:00 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Arkanaut: /you could also convince me to build a catapult on the moon

IIRC, it was actually a giant rail gun, not a true catapult.

The problem isn't building a supercomputer to run the Moon. It's going back decades later to rescue its personality and download it into a human body.

/now that's actually proper obscure.


Heinlein still or a seperate reference?
/I remember most of Heinlein's works hazily. Troopers/Moon/ and to a lesser extent Stranger I remember well, everything else...not so much.
// I seem to remember if not a book, a short story of people returning to the computer to attempt to salvage Mycroft.
 
2012-10-03 05:16:28 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Dwight_Yeast: Arkanaut: /you could also convince me to build a catapult on the moon

IIRC, it was actually a giant rail gun, not a true catapult.

The problem isn't building a supercomputer to run the Moon. It's going back decades later to rescue its personality and download it into a human body.

/now that's actually proper obscure.

Heinlein still or a seperate reference?
/I remember most of Heinlein's works hazily. Troopers/Moon/ and to a lesser extent Stranger I remember well, everything else...not so much.
// I seem to remember if not a book, a short story of people returning to the computer to attempt to salvage Mycroft.


None of Heinlein's writing is obscure.

The Cat Who Walks Through Walls is the book that involved the salvage of Mycroft Holmes. Eventually he was put "in bed" with another computer and woken up to help in To Sail Beyond the Sunset.
 
2012-10-03 10:55:52 PM  

The WindowLicker: Quantum Apostrophe: Of course not. We should 3D print it on the Moon. Free helium-3! Nanofusion power plants will be the first thing to be 3D printed.

You have the right idea.

We should be working towards creating something worthwhile in our short lives!


Well, create away then. I eagerly await your nanofusion powered 3D printed Moon computer. I'll be down here reading, breathing, living.
 
2012-10-04 12:51:00 AM  

roughridersfan: The Cat Who Walks Through Walls is the book that involved the salvage of Mycroft Holmes. Eventually he was put "in bed" with another computer and woken up to help in To Sail Beyond the Sunset.


I figured that out after some googling before work(Except for Sail, can't say as I recall the title)

A couple days ago I'd have sworn up and down Mannie was in Strangers, come to find out both stories had characters referenced or present in Cat Who Walks, which I've only read once.

So much of Heinlen's work was...dreamy..in a hard to visualize sort of manner, so, for me, a lot of it bleeds together.

/doesn't help that I've only read hardcopy of the first three I orignally posted on, digital books are ok but they're not necessarily quite as flexible for scanning or paging back to pick up a bit before you left off.
 
2012-10-04 04:39:39 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: The WindowLicker: Quantum Apostrophe: Of course not. We should 3D print it on the Moon. Free helium-3! Nanofusion power plants will be the first thing to be 3D printed.

You have the right idea.

We should be working towards creating something worthwhile in our short lives!

Well, create away then. I eagerly await your nanofusion powered 3D printed Moon computer. I'll be down here reading, breathing, living.


Not for long, old bean.

I do wish you the utmost success on your plans for life extension, because it could prove invaluable in future endeavours to get humans to reach other worlds.

The best thing about it is that we won't need any new elements in the periodic table to do it!
 
2012-10-04 07:24:03 AM  

omeganuepsilon: digital books are ok but they're not necessarily quite as flexible for scanning or paging back to pick up a bit before you left off.


Kinda hard to dog-ear a Kindle.
 
2012-10-04 10:22:30 AM  

omeganuepsilon: roughridersfan: The Cat Who Walks Through Walls is the book that involved the salvage of Mycroft Holmes. Eventually he was put "in bed" with another computer and woken up to help in To Sail Beyond the Sunset.

I figured that out after some googling before work(Except for Sail, can't say as I recall the title)

A couple days ago I'd have sworn up and down Mannie was in Strangers, come to find out both stories had characters referenced or present in Cat Who Walks, which I've only read once.

So much of Heinlen's work was...dreamy..in a hard to visualize sort of manner, so, for me, a lot of it bleeds together.



Heinlein's characters tended to have a lot of similar characteristics, so it's easy to get the impression they cross over more than they do...but Heinlein did start his writing with a specific "Future History" in mind and had a chart covering characters as well as political and technological progression.

With The Number of the Beast, Heinlein took advantage of the time twister created by Jacob Burroughs and crossed over characters.
 
2012-10-04 04:02:50 PM  
Already been done 

farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2012-10-04 10:22:42 PM  
Look out for the rock spiders, guys.
 
2012-10-05 05:58:38 AM  

Slaxl: The best thing about it is that we won't need any new elements in the periodic table to do it!


Exactly. That's why I back Team Reality, and not Team Daydreams, Delusions and Quasi-Religious Exultations About The Species. You will need new elements unless you think you'll build the starship Enterprise out of iron and aluminum?
 
2012-10-05 02:21:43 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Slaxl: The best thing about it is that we won't need any new elements in the periodic table to do it!

Exactly. That's why I back Team Reality, and not Team Daydreams, Delusions and Quasi-Religious Exultations About The Species. You will need new elements unless you think you'll build the starship Enterprise out of iron and aluminum?


If we didn't daydream, advances that help us understand our reality would not happen anywhere near as often.

Also, you lost a large amount of points for wording your post as if you're talking about twilight with the "team" thing you've got going. Team Ignorance, for the loss.
 
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