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2012-10-02 01:02:18 PM  
A great delivery system with nothing to deliver. 
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2012-10-02 01:02:47 PM  
you = fail
 
2012-10-02 01:03:01 PM  
wow, wow, WHOA. What is with all the HATE on OWS? What the hell has happened to FARK?
 
2012-10-02 01:03:36 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: splohn: And they shower.

Granted, they have to use a rag on a stick...


Lol
 
2012-10-02 01:04:24 PM  

Virgil_Lee_Nobody: wow, wow, WHOA. What is with all the HATE on OWS? What the hell has happened to FARK?


Hey, when they make that afternoon shift manager at the Dairy Queen money, a lotta these rugged individuals here don't want their success punished.
 
2012-10-02 01:04:36 PM  

Virgil_Lee_Nobody: wow, wow, WHOA. What is with all the HATE on OWS? What the hell has happened to FARK?


I'm not hating OWS in general, I am hating the jackasses from TFA who were given a vehicle to use for OWS-related matters and decided to stamp their little feet and demand that they be able to use it for pet projects. That's not how the contract works.
 
2012-10-02 01:04:38 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-02 01:04:57 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: Once you let Anarchists in your protest, your protest has lost all meaning. All those dipsh*ts want to do is break windows.


I'm not convinced those black block types really exist outside Seattle and G8 protests, it really seems like a lot of false flags
 
2012-10-02 01:06:55 PM  

zedster: I'm not convinced those black block types really exist outside Seattle and G8 protests, it really seems like a lot of false flags


I don't have the time to look it up, but I remember articles about them showing up at OWS protests. Hell I think even the Daily Show talked about them showing up at Code Pink anti-war protests. They're opportunists with no agenda other than causing destruction for the sake of causing destruction.
 
2012-10-02 01:08:01 PM  

zedster: Tat'dGreaser: Once you let Anarchists in your protest, your protest has lost all meaning. All those dipsh*ts want to do is break windows.

I'm not convinced those black block types really exist outside Seattle and G8 protests, it really seems like a lot of false flags


I think you are more likely to get the guys who talk an anarchist game all day while sitting on their ass in the tent city. They're all talk, but they're repulsive enough to drive off the more moderate folk.
 
2012-10-02 01:08:35 PM  
I know how we'll solve problems! We'll go camping downtown and blog about it, then we'll have some rich people buy us a novelty van with some overhead projectors built in.


YOUR SOLUTIONS ARE LAUGHABLE, MISDIRECTED AND WORTHLESS. THAT IS WHY YOU ACCOMPLISH NOTHING.
 
2012-10-02 01:09:15 PM  

Virgil_Lee_Nobody: wow, wow, WHOA. What is with all the HATE on OWS? What the hell has happened to FARK?


It's like a tidal wave. We're on the Conservative wave right now, then we'll move back to the Liberal Wave, and then to the "BIE/Bacon/Beer threads" wave.
 
2012-10-02 01:09:55 PM  
"He didn't want to have to bother with the messy part of being in a democracy," Mark Read, the activist who claims to have initially proposed The Illuminator idea, tells DNAInfo.com.
"He's a 1 percenter," Read, 46, adds to the website, "telling the 99 percent, 'I'm your boss.'"
"After we put in all those hours and put ourselves at risk as activists, we had [Cohen], who had not been in the van, come in and critique us," Read says. "To a person, I think we all feel kind of betrayed and disappointed."

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Smh. He put $65,000 of HIS money up and the very reputation of his company on the line to help your broke ass and this is the thanks he gets? YOU should be the boss because you sat in the street when you didn't have a job to go to anyway? Man, I was ALL for the 99% movement and I know one entitled little bastard isn't representative of the entire movement but damn, this is terrible.
 
2012-10-02 01:10:04 PM  

CygnusDarius: It's like a tidal wave. We're on the Conservative wave right now, then we'll move back to the Liberal Wave, and then to the "BIE/Bacon/Beer threads" wave.


Conservative wave? What Fark have you been reading?

OWS was never popular on Fark, even with left leaning people.
 
2012-10-02 01:10:40 PM  
"The 1%" has long been just a generic term for "whoever I don't like" for the OWS types.
 
2012-10-02 01:12:07 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: CygnusDarius: It's like a tidal wave. We're on the Conservative wave right now, then we'll move back to the Liberal Wave, and then to the "BIE/Bacon/Beer threads" wave.

Conservative wave? What Fark have you been reading?

OWS was never popular on Fark, even with left leaning people.


ummm... you should check out the Poli tab.
 
2012-10-02 01:12:45 PM  

skullkrusher: ummm... you should check out the Poli tab.


Oh hell no, I'll never go there
 
2012-10-02 01:13:16 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: "He didn't want to have to bother with the messy part of being in a democracy," Mark Read, the activist who claims to have initially proposed The Illuminator idea, tells DNAInfo.com.
"He's a 1 percenter," Read, 46, adds to the website, "telling the 99 percent, 'I'm your boss.'"
"After we put in all those hours and put ourselves at risk as activists, we had [Cohen], who had not been in the van, come in and critique us," Read says. "To a person, I think we all feel kind of betrayed and disappointed."
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Smh. He put $65,000 of HIS money up and the very reputation of his company on the line to help your broke ass and this is the thanks he gets? YOU should be the boss because you sat in the street when you didn't have a job to go to anyway? Man, I was ALL for the 99% movement and I know one entitled little bastard isn't representative of the entire movement but damn, this is terrible.


why do you hate Democracy, DRO? It's like that time I asked to borrow your car to pick up my mom at the airport and you were all "sure thing, man" and then you got pissed that my mom and I voted to enter it into a demolition derby. Farking fascist
 
2012-10-02 01:13:54 PM  
skullkrushe: "He's a 1 percenter," Read, 46, adds to the website, "telling the 99 percent, 'I'm your boss.'"

He also started his company from scratch. Actually, the first time around, they started with $12,000 and closed shop a couple of months later.

I mean, isn't that the dream, to start a company from practically nothing and grow it into a multi million dollar company?

hovsm: Why do they keep saying they are the 99% when only about 1% of the 99% actually are a part of the demonstrations?

As a former member of the 80% who is now a part of the 15% I ask, WTF are those dudes problems?
 
2012-10-02 01:14:07 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: skullkrusher: ummm... you should check out the Poli tab.

Oh hell no, I'll never go there


beyond the Entertainment Tab, thar be dragons
 
2012-10-02 01:14:16 PM  

EyeballKid: WarszawaScream: Waahhhh we can't have things exactly the way we want it so we're going to biatch and cry and make a stink.

Sort of like how our huge student loans that we knew we were borrowing aren't paying themselves and nobody cares that we're saddled with them.

Cry me a farking river, I paid mine off with my at-the-time-barely-20k a year salary. Know why? I didn't borrow outside of my means or bank on grabbing that 60k a year job that everyone always expects to get right out of college and no one ever does.

I can't stand that entitlement bull. I suppose a lot of what OWS is about, but that shiat right there... ugh.
When did "I did it, so can you" become "I did it, and that's the way all of you have to do it?" And, who honestly thinks that the pricing for college tuition is done by any sort of ethical, or even rational, process? What decade did you graduate from college in? Wait, wait, are you good with a jump shot? And, please, quit throwing around "entitlement" like it means anything other than "something somebody else gets instead of ME BUT I DESURVE IT MOAR!!!!!"


I meant "support", not "suppose". Not feeling too well today so my typing skills are lacking.

And uh... if you're trying to say that borrowing money and then not paying is back is A-OK... well. It's not that *I* did it and that's what everyone has to do. It's that NOT doing so is, well, stealing.

Trying to justify stealing with "I didn't know what I was doing at the time" or "I thought I'd be able to pay this back but I can't so you should just absolve me of it"... I don't need to explain it.

And I was class of 2004. Tuition wasn't cheap.
 
2012-10-02 01:14:58 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: CygnusDarius: It's like a tidal wave. We're on the Conservative wave right now, then we'll move back to the Liberal Wave, and then to the "BIE/Bacon/Beer threads" wave.

Conservative wave? What Fark have you been reading?

OWS was never popular on Fark, even with left leaning people.


Well, if you want a quick and dirty way to put the terror -actual 'I can't trust my bodyguard' terror- on the bankers, here's an idea I've posted before:

The idea revolves around a guillotine. Not a wooden one, but one made of the best stainless steel available, (and a metal chord to support the blade). Highly durable, and it must be bolted to the ground and/or simply planted there so it needs nothing short of a few small explosions or demolition crew to get it outta there. You install this in Wall Street, in the wee hours of the morning. You'll need to work fast. Also, this guillotine has a LCD screen, and a small motor connected to the chord. There'll be cops surrounding the thing, a few tourists taking pictures, Fox news will dismiss this or be freaked out about this, the whole works.

Every time a politician, political commentator, or a banker says anything remotely stupid/infuriating, the LCD screen turns on, plays the bit, and the motor raises the blade a few inches high. Watch the Establishment go nuts.
 
2012-10-02 01:15:14 PM  

skullkrusher: Tat'dGreaser: skullkrusher: ummm... you should check out the Poli tab.

Oh hell no, I'll never go there

beyond the Entertainment Tab, thar be dragons


You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
 
2012-10-02 01:15:20 PM  
skullkrusher: ummm... you should check out the Poli tab.

There is no politics tab.

lordargent.com

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2012-10-02 01:15:24 PM  
I feel I'm part of the 34.8%.
 
2012-10-02 01:15:42 PM  

skullkrusher: beyond the Entertainment Tab, thar be dragons


Exactly, I can deal with crazy celebrity crap but that politics page is uncharted territory of villainy and dipsh*ttery
 
2012-10-02 01:17:16 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: skullkrusher: Tat'dGreaser: skullkrusher: ummm... you should check out the Poli tab.

Oh hell no, I'll never go there

beyond the Entertainment Tab, thar be dragons

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.


it's gotten a bit better since DRO and I are maintabbing it with the hoi polloi at the moment
 
2012-10-02 01:17:39 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: skullkrusher: beyond the Entertainment Tab, thar be dragons

Exactly, I can deal with crazy celebrity crap but that politics page is uncharted territory of villainy and dipsh*ttery


And the Video tab is a wasteland where there's nothing but irradiated Water, super mutants, and Black Mountain Radio.
 
2012-10-02 01:17:40 PM  

WarszawaScream: And uh... if you're trying to say that borrowing money and then not paying is back is A-OK... well. It's not that *I* did it and that's what everyone has to do. It's that NOT doing so is, well, stealing.

Trying to justify stealing with "I didn't know what I was doing at the time" or "I thought I'd be able to pay this back but I can't so you should just absolve me of it"... I don't need to explain it.


Seriously? Look at the return on Investment of a typical state college degree, considering the typical amount made by graduates throughout their careers, with the few lotto winners and pro ball players taken out of the equation; it's not the students doing the thieving.
 
2012-10-02 01:18:56 PM  
You will join OWS eventually.
 
2012-10-02 01:19:10 PM  
The true economic injustice perpetrated by the 1% has little to do with the stock market. As random and vegas-like as the market is, it can only be rigged by the rich so much. The 1% are not fixing the stock market as much as they're clamping down on any job-creating innovation that threatens their superiority via the patent/copyright/trademark legal mess. If you don't believe me, look at Apple's history of lawsuits, it's very long.

If you want to do some economic good, protest the patent office. Let those rich people compete on a legally even surface and you'll watch new technologies undercut their position faster than they can say Rolls Royce.
 
2012-10-02 01:21:24 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: skullkrusher: beyond the Entertainment Tab, thar be dragons

Exactly, I can deal with crazy celebrity crap but that politics page is uncharted territory of villainy and dipsh*ttery


We should all remember the wisdom from the Devil's Dictionary:

Politics: A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.
 
2012-10-02 01:21:29 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: He put $65,000 of HIS money up and the very reputation of his company on the line to help your broke ass and this is the thanks he gets?


It's not his company anymore and hasn't been for over 12 years. Ben and Jerry sold the company to Unilever in 2000. Neither man holds any position with the company, nor are they involved in any way with it's operations. They are only namesakes.
 
2012-10-02 01:21:34 PM  

EyeballKid: Seriously? Look at the return on Investment of a typical state college degree, considering the typical amount made by graduates throughout their careers, with the few lotto winners and pro ball players taken out of the equation; it's not the students doing the thieving.


the average annual state school tuition is $8,244. If you can't make $32,000 (about $710 a year assuming a 45 year post grad career) more over the course of a lifetime with a college degree than with a HS diploma you probably should have forgone college and taken an arc welding class
 
2012-10-02 01:24:10 PM  

skullkrusher: EyeballKid: Seriously? Look at the return on Investment of a typical state college degree, considering the typical amount made by graduates throughout their careers, with the few lotto winners and pro ball players taken out of the equation; it's not the students doing the thieving.

the average annual state school tuition is $8,244. If you can't make $32,000 (about $710 a year assuming a 45 year post grad career) more over the course of a lifetime with a college degree than with a HS diploma you probably should have forgone college and taken an arc welding class


And, what's the interest on that? OK, and if one bad year happens, where you miss some payments, you're spent paying off the added interest over an even longer period of time, and good luck finding that 45 year post-graduation career.

*Of course, none of this applies if you can run 40 yards quickly and/or have a fantastic jump shot.
 
2012-10-02 01:24:23 PM  

CygnusDarius: Tat'dGreaser: CygnusDarius: It's like a tidal wave. We're on the Conservative wave right now, then we'll move back to the Liberal Wave, and then to the "BIE/Bacon/Beer threads" wave.

Conservative wave? What Fark have you been reading?

OWS was never popular on Fark, even with left leaning people.

Well, if you want a quick and dirty way to put the terror -actual 'I can't trust my bodyguard' terror- on the bankers, here's an idea I've posted before:

The idea revolves around a guillotine. Not a wooden one, but one made of the best stainless steel available, (and a metal chord to support the blade). Highly durable, and it must be bolted to the ground and/or simply planted there so it needs nothing short of a few small explosions or demolition crew to get it outta there. You install this in Wall Street, in the wee hours of the morning. You'll need to work fast. Also, this guillotine has a LCD screen, and a small motor connected to the chord. There'll be cops surrounding the thing, a few tourists taking pictures, Fox news will dismiss this or be freaked out about this, the whole works.

Every time a politician, political commentator, or a banker says anything remotely stupid/infuriating, the LCD screen turns on, plays the bit, and the motor raises the blade a few inches high. Watch the Establishment go nuts.


Once you clean yourself up after that mental wank, you'll realize that won't help. Or even ever happen.  Even if you gloss over the glaring issue: Who decides what is stupid? A vote? Benevolent overlord who somehow isn't part of the dreaded 1%?
 
2012-10-02 01:26:04 PM  

CygnusDarius: (and a metal chord to support the blade).


May I suggest drop D?
 
2012-10-02 01:26:09 PM  
This is actually a problem with our limited number of political "parties" here in the US -- that each party has a collection of values and it is unlikely you agree with the whole bundle.

For example, a union guy may be against gay marriage, or an anti-immigration person might be for socialized medicine, etc.

So you end up with no political party that can really represent you. This then creates the effect that the moral issues usually become the defining issues -- i.e. you'll vote based on your stance on abortion or gay marriage no matter how adverse you are to the rest of the platform.

I really think the ideal solution would be that we should actually vote for the head of each Department. In other words, vote for the head of the Department of Health based on your views on health issues, vote for the head of the Department of Homeland Security based on your views on security issues, and so forth. Of course that would be a fundamentally different system so I'm just dreaming ...

But within the current system, we really need more political parties so we can better dial in our votes. If you care about environment you could vote based on that, care about taxes you could vote based on that, etc.

Anyway, this is relevant to the article because it is entirely unfair of the OWS to assume that someone that supports one of their issues (wealth gap) would have to support the remainder.
 
2012-10-02 01:26:28 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: skullkrusher: ummm... you should check out the Poli tab.

Oh hell no, I'll never go there


Abandon all hope, ye who venture there?

/Anarchy Rules... wait, isn't that an oxymoron?
 
2012-10-02 01:27:27 PM  

syberpud: Once you clean yourself up after that mental wank, you'll realize that won't help. Or even ever happen.  Even if you gloss over the glaring issue: Who decides what is stupid? A vote? Benevolent overlord who somehow isn't part of the dreaded 1%?


AI.
 
2012-10-02 01:27:58 PM  

ha-ha-guy: I think you are more likely to get the guys who talk an anarchist game all day while sitting on their ass in the tent city. They're all talk, but they're repulsive enough to drive off the more moderate folk.


that I can agree on, I think you have a lot of middle class whites looking for a reason to be different or grabbing the newest cause de jour. They seem to lack a unified cause and seem to be trying to one up each other over who cares more. Go read Rules for Radicals and learn about the backyard movement and see how it is done. You have to build a base, a coalition, and stop telling other people they don't understand maybe you just suck at presenting your case. Also, present some solutions are at least a frame work for them.

I went to university, I have a wasted liberal arts degree (Poli Sci graduated 09') and I'm doing IT. I worked in a farking call center out of college doing a job I could have done in high school, it was hell. The dream of go to university, sit tight, get a 4 year degree and start a life is gone. I understand the pain, chaos, and loss of sense of protection this causes, but I don't think you can isolate the problem down to just Wall St.

The masses cheered in the Neo-liberal Chicago/Vienna school policies, they hosted those modern robber barons up on their shoulders while they farked us. Hell we put Jim Crammer on TV and made him a celebrity! If we stopped trying to have get rich quick schemes and these falsehoods about how with hard work anyone can become rich we could move on and start repairing.

Instead, Occupy wants to keep looking for a shortcut, like if we hit a reset button on banks and wall st we can go back to a simpler time, here's a clue there never was a simpler time and sending a few bankers to prison is not a solution. Great Depression, S&L, Dot-Com Bubble, 2008 crash, we just keep repeating the same damn thing.
 
2012-10-02 01:28:36 PM  

WizardofToast: Hagenhatesyouall: Science_Guy_3.14159: OWS just went full retard, never go full retard
Don't forget about the STD's. Can't forget about the STDs.

Just?

They've been full retard since day 1.

It was going good at first, and then it ended up basically becoming a treehouse club instead of an all-welcome group. Then came the drums and the unclear messages and bleh.

 
2012-10-02 01:30:25 PM  

zedster: here's a clue there never was a simpler time and sending a few bankers to prison is not a solution. Great Depression, S&L, Dot-Com Bubble, 2008 crash, we just keep repeating the same damn thing.


OK, I give. How many bankers responsible for the Great Depression, the S&L scandal, the dot-com bubble, and/or the 2008 crash were imprisoned?


Well, then, how can we say it wouldn't work? It did in Iceland.
 
2012-10-02 01:33:39 PM  

EyeballKid: And, what's the interest on that? OK, and if one bad year happens, where you miss some payments, you're spent paying off the added interest over an even longer period of time, and good luck finding that 45 year post-graduation career.

*Of course, none of this applies if you can run 40 yards quickly and/or have a fantastic jump shot.


3.4% now. We're talking about the ROI, no?

" Although simply completing high school improves earnings outlook, the average high school graduate will earn an estimated average annual income of $30,109 and $1.2 million in a lifetime.

The average college graduate stands to net nearly twice as much, with a $51,097 average annual income adding up over 40 years of earning potential to more than $2.04 million. "

Even if we assume $100,000 in tuition costs including interest on loans and all that. That's still a 20x ROI over the working years. Pretty good idea.
 
2012-10-02 01:33:56 PM  

EyeballKid: zedster: here's a clue there never was a simpler time and sending a few bankers to prison is not a solution. Great Depression, S&L, Dot-Com Bubble, 2008 crash, we just keep repeating the same damn thing.

OK, I give. How many bankers responsible for the Great Depression, the S&L scandal, the dot-com bubble, and/or the 2008 crash were imprisoned?


Well, then, how can we say it wouldn't work? It did in Iceland.


What do you mean, throwing money at problems won't make them go away?

/and people think OWS is stupid, sheesh
 
2012-10-02 01:34:07 PM  
Idiot for thinking his ice cream hippie-corp would be above the reproach of these clowns.
 
2012-10-02 01:35:29 PM  
New B&J flavor: OWS Douche Run-out Surprise You have to hang it upside-down eat it through a hose.
 
2012-10-02 01:37:06 PM  

skullkrusher: EyeballKid: And, what's the interest on that? OK, and if one bad year happens, where you miss some payments, you're spent paying off the added interest over an even longer period of time, and good luck finding that 45 year post-graduation career.

*Of course, none of this applies if you can run 40 yards quickly and/or have a fantastic jump shot.

3.4% now. We're talking about the ROI, no?

" Although simply completing high school improves earnings outlook, the average high school graduate will earn an estimated average annual income of $30,109 and $1.2 million in a lifetime.

The average college graduate stands to net nearly twice as much, with a $51,097 average annual income adding up over 40 years of earning potential to more than $2.04 million. "

Even if we assume $100,000 in tuition costs including interest on loans and all that. That's still a 20x ROI over the working years. Pretty good idea.


sorry, should have used the difference.

8x
 
2012-10-02 01:37:38 PM  

EyeballKid: OK, I give. How many bankers responsible for the Great Depression, the S&L scandal, the dot-com bubble, and/or the 2008 crash were imprisoned?


apparently 800 for the S&L

In the wake of that debacle, special government task forces referred 1,100 cases to prosecutors, resulting in more than 800 bank officials going to jail.
 
2012-10-02 01:42:04 PM  

EyeballKid: WarszawaScream: And uh... if you're trying to say that borrowing money and then not paying is back is A-OK... well. It's not that *I* did it and that's what everyone has to do. It's that NOT doing so is, well, stealing.

Trying to justify stealing with "I didn't know what I was doing at the time" or "I thought I'd be able to pay this back but I can't so you should just absolve me of it"... I don't need to explain it.

Seriously? Look at the return on Investment of a typical state college degree, considering the typical amount made by graduates throughout their careers, with the few lotto winners and pro ball players taken out of the equation; it's not the students doing the thieving.


I'm not totally unsympathetic, I agree that tuitions and interest rates are out of control and that the amounts charged are downright disgusting. BUT that doesn't give anyone the right to expect their loans to be paid off for them or that "I can't afford this so I shouldn't have to pay it." Unless the paperwork you signed when you took the loan out specified a sliding scale for how much you'd end up owing based on how much you end up making in the 5 years after you graduate, you're on the hook for whatever amount and interest rate you signed up for.

There needs to be much more education about student loans to high schoolers; I don't know anyone who came out of high school and signed up for college loans knowing the full ramifications of the loan system. Teenagers shouldn't be forced to make career decisions while still in high school at all. Insurance companies shouldn't hold dependant coverage hostage and say "If you don't go RIGHT into college after high school then you won't be covered!" Supporting and advocating taking a year or two off to travel, to work, to actually figure out what they want to do and to really experience what it's like in the working world and better understand the world outside school in general - THAT would do so much more right by young people than hand-outs and pay-offs.
 
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