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2012-10-02 11:20:55 AM
"All I can say is I refused to sign the Grover Norquist pledge, I'm openly gay, I support gay marriage and I'm pro-choice."

This would be the part where you explain to people why the hell you're a Republican, then.
 
2012-10-02 11:21:57 AM
Good, they all bend to the Tea Parties wim anyway.
 
2012-10-02 11:22:29 AM
Richard Tisei is an openly gay, pro-choice Republican running for Congress as a Massachusetts moderate.

i76.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-02 11:22:38 AM
WTF is this "moderate Republican" of which you speak?
 
2012-10-02 11:23:36 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: WTF is this "moderate Republican" of which you speak?


Came here to post these very words.
 
2012-10-02 11:24:57 AM
...and this is somehow untrue?

If you caucus with Republicans and vote for John Boehner as Speaker of the House, the Tea Party agenda is what you'll get.

No matter what else your personal campaign promises are.
 
2012-10-02 11:25:02 AM
If just being associated with the Tea Party sinks a Republican, why do Republican keep pandering to the Tea Party?
 
2012-10-02 11:25:24 AM
"In the last 10 days, there have been eight different mail pieces sent out to people calling me a tea party extremist," Tisei said. "All I can say is I refused to sign the Grover Norquist pledge, I'm openly gay, I support gay marriage and I'm pro-choice."

Sucks that the people controlling your party hate everything about you. Maybe take it up with them.
 
2012-10-02 11:25:31 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: WTF is this "moderate Republican" of which you speak?


Maine's two Senators would like a word.
 
2012-10-02 11:26:14 AM
Fun fact: politicians running for office often attempt to portray their opponents in a negative light.
 
2012-10-02 11:26:48 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: WTF is this "moderate Republican" of which you speak?


It's the future of the party after the current Republican party catastrophically schisms along the social conservative fault line and US politics gets its next great realignment.

Or so I hope, because politics works best when the opposition is sane even when it's not your preferred party. Two sane parties pull politics to the center. One insane party drives politics to the extremes.
 
2012-10-02 11:26:57 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: WTF is this "moderate Republican" of which you speak?


Someone who needs to moderate their extremist views in order to get elected but will vote in lockstep on all insane legislation that the teabagging morons and the GOP come up with.
 
2012-10-02 11:27:05 AM
Are they saying they are Part of the 1%, so must be a Republican. But they only moderatly want to screw the other 99%, especially the gay ones.
 
2012-10-02 11:27:38 AM
There's still a moderate Republican hiding somewhere?

Dick Cheney, get yur gun!
 
2012-10-02 11:27:44 AM

KarmicDisaster: If just being associated with the Tea Party sinks a Republican, why do Republican keep pandering to the Tea Party?


They like the taste of sweet, sweet Koch.
 
2012-10-02 11:28:14 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: WTF is this "moderate Republican" of which you speak?


It's a Republican that only hates gays and doesn't want to take away their basic rights.
 
2012-10-02 11:28:28 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: WTF is this "moderate Republican" of which you speak?


www.flashreport.org
 
2012-10-02 11:29:27 AM
Dishonest of the Democrats, but I also have to ask: Why are you a Republican, then? Your beliefs do not match any of your party's policies.
 
2012-10-02 11:31:09 AM
Shouldn't we be rewarding Republicans that disassociate themselves from the Tea Party? Isn't that the point? While I think it's nice that it's become an albatross to hang around their necks, I think it's a poor long-term strategy to alienate moderates. That's how the Republican party got where it is today, after all.
 
2012-10-02 11:32:25 AM

russlar: MaudlinMutantMollusk: WTF is this "moderate Republican" of which you speak?

Maine's two Senators would like a word.


The two senators that refuse to vote to break filibusters on legislation popular with their constituents, but unpopular with their party, unless it comes with enough concessions that their mouth-breathing colleagues will begrudgingly accept?

Those moderate senators?
 
2012-10-02 11:32:28 AM
This just in, if you praise and organization and defend its ideas, you may be smeared with the same brush.
 
2012-10-02 11:32:39 AM

Pocket Ninja: "All I can say is I refused to sign the Grover Norquist pledge, I'm openly gay, I support gay marriage and I'm pro-choice."

This would be the part where you explain to people why the hell you're a Republican, then.


No kidding. He needs to GTFO the party. There is no place for him in the GOP.
 
2012-10-02 11:33:39 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: WTF is this "moderate Republican" of which you speak?


Current democrats?
 
2012-10-02 11:33:55 AM
On the one hand, these types aren't the problem.

On the other, they're enablers of the problem (unless one of them becomes Speaker and another Min/Majority Leader).

Does anyone know of their legislative records? I suspect that if they weren't Faithful Republican Soldiers, the party would have tried to primary them already, so look for high-profile splits between them and the party. Did either one significantly break with party orthodoxy?
 
2012-10-02 11:34:21 AM

russlar: Maine's two Senators would like a word.


One of them is retiring because there's no place for her in the party anymore.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:33 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Shouldn't we be rewarding Republicans that disassociate themselves from the Tea Party? Isn't that the point? While I think it's nice that it's become an albatross to hang around their necks, I think it's a poor long-term strategy to alienate moderates. That's how the Republican party got where it is today, after all.


These guys will campaign as moderates but they will vote for, and support, tea party legislation because it's required of them by the national party, and if they don't they can expect a tea partier to challenge them in the primaries.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:58 AM

Pocket Ninja: "All I can say is I refused to sign the Grover Norquist pledge, I'm openly gay, I support gay marriage and I'm pro-choice."

This would be the part where you explain to people why the hell you're a Republican, then.


Because Daddy was a Republican.
 
2012-10-02 11:35:05 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Shouldn't we be rewarding Republicans that disassociate themselves from the Tea Party? Isn't that the point? While I think it's nice that it's become an albatross to hang around their necks, I think it's a poor long-term strategy to alienate moderates. That's how the Republican party got where it is today, after all.


I think they need to be punished like a petulant, back-talking child before we can reward some of them for good behavior. Anything else only emboldens them as a party in their misbehavior. The addition of 50 moderate republicans to the house will still result in tea party theater because they will take it as a mandate that, because they won that many seats, and as tea party is the driving narrative, obviously it's working amirite?
 
2012-10-02 11:35:07 AM
"In the last 10 days, there have been eight different mail pieces sent out to people calling me a tea party extremist," Tisei said. "All I can say is I refused to sign the Grover Norquist pledge, I'm openly gay, I support gay marriage and I'm pro-choice."

That's not all you can say.

You can say that you denounce the Tea Party and their hateful, illogical rhetoric.
 
2012-10-02 11:35:16 AM

NeverDrunk23: MaudlinMutantMollusk: WTF is this "moderate Republican" of which you speak?

Current democrats?


No, whatever isn't a Bible thumping, sexually repressed crusading hypocrite theses days.
 
2012-10-02 11:35:16 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Dishonest of the Democrats, but I also have to ask: Why are you a Republican, then? Your beliefs do not match any of your party's policies.


Kind of a subset to this is, why would you elect even a Republican such as the one in the link? Any Democrat will probably be better.
 
2012-10-02 11:36:39 AM
The GOP made this bed. I hope they suffer long and hard for it.
 
2012-10-02 11:37:10 AM
I understand why people are questioning why Tisei is even a Republican to begin with, but that's only distracting from the important part. If the Democrats start and continue employing the same scummy tactics used by recent Republicans, it will turn off a lot of independent voters. Just like the SuperPACs supporting the Romney campaign. Independent voters take notice of that kind of crap and remember intellectual dishonesty from both sides.
 
2012-10-02 11:37:53 AM

alt_1: Good, they all bend to the Tea Parties wim anyway.


Exactly! As long as they vote in lock-step with Tea Party morans, then get them all out!
 
2012-10-02 11:38:49 AM
So, the Republicans have been using "Tea Party" the same way.
 
2012-10-02 11:39:14 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Shouldn't we be rewarding Republicans that disassociate themselves from the Tea Party? Isn't that the point? While I think it's nice that it's become an albatross to hang around their necks, I think it's a poor long-term strategy to alienate moderates. That's how the Republican party got where it is today, after all.


Moderate CONSERVATIVES yes, run by a separate party. Unfortunately that's not the case and his boss is also taking commands from the Tea Party, so maybe he should actually disassociate himself from the Tea Party first. Then we'll talk. Don't fall for the god damn "do as I say, not as I do" again.

"This time for sure we can trust his word! A broken clock's right twice a day after all!"
 
2012-10-02 11:40:03 AM
Good, if labeling a Republican Tea Party works to defeat them then maybe Republicans will work harder to distance themselves from the Tea Party and vote across party lines.
 
2012-10-02 11:40:40 AM
Dear Moderate Republicans, it's simple: you caucus with them, you give them power. F*ck them and f*ck you.
 
2012-10-02 11:40:47 AM

Pocket Ninja: "All I can say is I refused to sign the Grover Norquist pledge, I'm openly gay, I support gay marriage and I'm pro-choice."

This would be the part where you explain to people why the hell you're a Republican, then.


He just can't get enough of the Koch?
 
2012-10-02 11:41:33 AM

Pocket Ninja: "All I can say is I refused to sign the Grover Norquist pledge, I'm openly gay, I support gay marriage and I'm pro-choice."

This would be the part where you explain to people why the hell you're a Republican, then.


Tax cuts for millionaires, perhaps?
 
2012-10-02 11:42:19 AM

KarmicDisaster: If just being associated with the Tea Party sinks a Republican, why do Republican keep pandering to the Tea Party?


Because they haven't figured out or come to realize that the public at large has a very negative view of the Tea Party, and with good reason. They started out as being about fiscal responsibility until they were co-opted by the corporteers and the evangelicals and turned into a mob of riled up, economically illiterate retirees that do not represent the true moderate spirit of the majority of Americans. It comes from being insulated inside that "beltway bubble" and not having any real connection to people outside of it. The only take away for them from the 2010 Congress was that the election itself and they are completely oblivious to the 13 percent approval rating they presently are enjoying at the hands of these morons.

The Tea Party is basically an amalgamation of the sub-depths of the GOP base. The fact that there's a nig-nog in the White House got them up out of their La-Z Boys long enough to elect a handful of extremists which have only served to further break an already broken system. In their "cranky old white guy" state, they fail to realize that all they have done is enabled the very corruption they claim to oppose, it's just been given a different "face" that is more agreeable and soothing to their consciousness.
 
2012-10-02 11:42:22 AM

meat0918: Pocket Ninja: "All I can say is I refused to sign the Grover Norquist pledge, I'm openly gay, I support gay marriage and I'm pro-choice."

This would be the part where you explain to people why the hell you're a Republican, then.

Because Daddy was a Republican.


FWIW, here in SF, the gay male community is among the most affluent and fiscally conservative.

But the congressional candidate there in MA is selling out his civil rights for a 3% tax cut.
 
2012-10-02 11:42:54 AM
Know who else liked to falsely toss labels on people? Democrats, being the Commies they are, will stoop to anything.
 
2012-10-02 11:43:21 AM

oldass31: I understand why people are questioning why Tisei is even a Republican to begin with, but that's only distracting from the important part. If the Democrats start and continue employing the same scummy tactics used by recent Republicans, it will turn off a lot of independent voters. Just like the SuperPACs supporting the Romney campaign. Independent voters take notice of that kind of crap and remember intellectual dishonesty from both sides.


Yeah, like that's gonna cause them to vote Republican. I'm pretty sure the issue most independents have with Democrats arn't SuperPAC's or their tactics, as much as their lack of spines, which is showing some sign of life lately.

I mean the whole "YOU ARN'T ALLOWED TO DO WHAT I DO" campaign is failing pretty bad for Romney.
 
2012-10-02 11:43:32 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Shouldn't we be rewarding Republicans that disassociate themselves from the Tea Party? Isn't that the point? While I think it's nice that it's become an albatross to hang around their necks, I think it's a poor long-term strategy to alienate moderates. That's how the Republican party got where it is today, after all.


Not really. Why should "moderate" Republicans be rewarded for contributing to a Republican majority in the House, and the accompanying Teabagger agenda?
 
2012-10-02 11:43:34 AM
Hey, if a Democratic campaign ad actually lied, I'd be quick to condemn it and I'm sure most other registered Democrats would.

But the only actual quote included in this article is so full of ellipses I'm inclined to believe it isn't just that campaign ad that's being misleading.
 
2012-10-02 11:44:03 AM
Somebody in politics accusing somebody else of questionable associations? What a new, bold and daring tactic.
 
2012-10-02 11:44:08 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Shouldn't we be rewarding Republicans that disassociate themselves from the Tea Party? Isn't that the point? While I think it's nice that it's become an albatross to hang around their necks, I think it's a poor long-term strategy to alienate moderates. That's how the Republican party got where it is today, after all.


Nah, they can be as moderate as they please on the campaign trail, but once they get into office, they're going to vote in lockstep with the rest of these yahoos. Best to just marginalize the hell out of them until either the party as a whole shapes up, or somebody else takes their place.
 
2012-10-02 11:44:19 AM

russlar: MaudlinMutantMollusk: WTF is this "moderate Republican" of which you speak?

Maine's two Senators would like a word.


Would that be Olympia Snowe who was part of the Gang of 14 that gave the conservative faction everything they wanted with regards to judges, voted to confirm Roberts and Alito, voted for the invasion of Iraq and against health care reform or would it be Susan Collins who voted for the invasion of Iraq, was also part of the infamous Gang of 14, voted for the Bush tax cuts and to confirm Roberts and Alito, against habeas corpus, against health care reform and for state control of offshore oil drilling?

When it comes to the BIG issues they are reliably conservative and an embarrasment to Maine.
 
2012-10-02 11:45:29 AM
oh no is the republican party having unforseen butthurt based on the actions of the fringes in their party? oh im so sorry to hear that!

maybe if they clean their own damn house of these a holes it wont be such a problem for the middle to emerge. until they quit sponsoring them and letting them speak for the party as a whole, the dems are going to use this as a weapon as they well should
 
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