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2012-10-02 11:13:49 AM  
This headline sucks, mine was better.
 
2012-10-02 11:13:59 AM  
The troll is strong...
 
2012-10-02 11:14:03 AM  
The dead always favor Democrats because they no longer live in the fear it takes to maintain a Republican affiliation.
 
2012-10-02 11:14:03 AM  
Good news is good.
 
2012-10-02 11:14:20 AM  
Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still
 
2012-10-02 11:14:23 AM  
What about rich old white people? Are they still allowed?
 
2012-10-02 11:14:40 AM  
I forgot this ruling was coming out today. Thank goodness.

/Pa. resident
 
2012-10-02 11:15:02 AM  
good.

/farking republicans.
 
2012-10-02 11:15:09 AM  
Right-wing reaction:

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2012-10-02 11:15:11 AM  

Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still


I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?
 
2012-10-02 11:15:12 AM  
Fartbongo seen doing a happy dance.
 
2012-10-02 11:15:16 AM  
So they're going to use Chicago's Rules? I think I still vote in Chicago Heights. Haven't been there since 84.
 
2012-10-02 11:15:18 AM  
Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.
 
2012-10-02 11:15:27 AM  
Much to the chagrin of the Republicans, Democracy still somewhat exists in PA.

Maybe next year, cons.
 
2012-10-02 11:15:34 AM  
That's good, all the Irish and Italian immigrants should be allowed to participate.
 
2012-10-02 11:15:35 AM  
"Simpson ordered the state not to enforce the photo ID requirement in this year's presidential election but will allow it to go into full effect next year."

"The constitutionality of the law was not a question before Simpson."

You'll have a year or so to get an ID, get on it.
 
2012-10-02 11:15:36 AM  

Chabash: What about rich old white people? Are they still allowed?


Only for 50,000 a second in the voting booth.
 
2012-10-02 11:15:51 AM  
bracing for derp

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2012-10-02 11:16:05 AM  
Ah yes, went with the troll headline version on this one eh Mods? Color me shocked.
 
2012-10-02 11:16:28 AM  

Chabash: What about rich old white people? Are they still allowed?


Motions have begun to see if they can vote twice.
 
2012-10-02 11:16:28 AM  
My doga and I are moving to PA stat.

/nice troll subby
 
2012-10-02 11:16:49 AM  
"Simpson ordered the state not to enforce the photo ID requirement in this year's presidential election but will allow it to go into full effect next year."

Oh, the Republicans are going to be pissed off they're getting what they wanted, but not in time to achieve their disenfranchisement goals.
 
2012-10-02 11:16:49 AM  
I am not sure if anyone should be allowed to vote in PA, maybe they should feel the taste of an inflexible dictatorship led by a charismatic leader, me perhaps.
 
2012-10-02 11:16:52 AM  
There goes Romney's last chance at winning Pennsylvania. If they can't keep the poor, elderly, and college students from voting, he's done.

Hard to feel bad about this.
 
2012-10-02 11:16:52 AM  

hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.


*notsureifserious*
 
2012-10-02 11:17:07 AM  
Be ready for derpcon level 4 outrage on Fox
 
2012-10-02 11:17:13 AM  
Election workers will still be allowed to ask voters for a valid photo ID, but people without it can vote on a regular voting machine in the polling place and would not have to cast a provisional ballot or prove their identity to election officials after the election.

So, do I refuse to show my ID if I am asked?
 
2012-10-02 11:17:25 AM  
I'm ok with this. What's the big deal?
 
2012-10-02 11:17:25 AM  

hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.


Constitution forbids anyone from having to pay to vote. Make the IDs free and automatically issued for everyone and you might get somewhere.
 
2012-10-02 11:17:29 AM  
No, sorry, you can't throw up eleventh-hour barriers to vote and claim that they won't have a substantial impact.
 
2012-10-02 11:17:32 AM  
Great troll. Bet that State Speaker of the House will be dissapointed that he can't automatically deliver his state to Rmoney.
 
2012-10-02 11:17:43 AM  
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2012-10-02 11:17:50 AM  
The lawmakers who passed this came flat out and said they were doing so to help Romney win PA, so good.

If laws like this HAVE to be implemented, do it now for the election four years from now, so everyone has plenty of time to get an ID. Not a month before the election.
 
2012-10-02 11:17:53 AM  
done
 
2012-10-02 11:18:18 AM  
"Simpson ordered the state not to enforce the photo ID requirement in this year's presidential election but will allow it to go into full effect next year."

Good to know that they can commit fraud just long enough to let Obama win the state one last time.

Nothing wring with the law in general, apparently, just that it would hurt the Obama administration.
 
2012-10-02 11:18:26 AM  
Ha-ha.
Judge said there was no first-hand evidence of voter fraud and they couldn't provide any.
 
2012-10-02 11:18:27 AM  
Good for PA... I will still vote twice in Nov since NC is a toss up state.
 
2012-10-02 11:18:33 AM  
Of course people without what the local official considers "valid ID" will still have to cast a provisional ballot. This will create a lot of uncertainty and confusion which the Republicans are still experts at exploiting. Look for the election to end up in court at the very least.

One thing about it that I found interesting is to see how the vote goes down among provisional ballots. That will settle once and for all just who it is that voter ID laws disenfranchise.
 
2012-10-02 11:18:39 AM  

qorkfiend: Make the IDs free and automatically issued


But socialism!
 
2012-10-02 11:18:46 AM  

bmongar: The dead always favor Democrats because they no longer live in the fear it takes to maintain a Republican affiliation.


lol
 
2012-10-02 11:18:46 AM  
The actual issue is people that live in two states. New York and Florida for example. It is POSSIBLE that a snow bird could POTENTIALLY vote in both states. I know, I know; it's a bit of a stretch; but that doesn't change the fact that it could happen.

/ I know; I'm worse than hitler
 
2012-10-02 11:18:51 AM  

theknuckler_33: Election workers will still be allowed to ask voters for a valid photo ID, but people without it can vote on a regular voting machine in the polling place and would not have to cast a provisional ballot or prove their identity to election officials after the election.

So, do I refuse to show my ID if I am asked?


That's what I had gathered from that statement
 
2012-10-02 11:19:16 AM  

hetheeme: "Simpson ordered the state not to enforce the photo ID requirement in this year's presidential election but will allow it to go into full effect next year."

Good to know that they can commit fraud just long enough to let Obama win the state one last time.

Nothing wring with the law in general, apparently, just that it would hurt the Obama administration.


You should show us the proof that fraud helped Obama win it last time. or helped any politician in any race win.
 
2012-10-02 11:19:21 AM  

hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.


Yes because it's Democrats AND ONLY Democrats that commit voter fraud.

Maybe you should try using Google before you say something this asinine.
 
2012-10-02 11:19:29 AM  
Making it harder for people to vote vs. the extremely small amount of voter fraud that occurs is just not a good trade off. Voting is a right, not a bunch of hoops to jump through, so we should err on the side of it being as easy as possible.
 
2012-10-02 11:19:29 AM  
illegal immigrants and dead people still allowed to vote in PA

Obama voters.
 
2012-10-02 11:19:46 AM  
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Don't ya'all fret none....its still gonna be RED.

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15/10
 
2012-10-02 11:19:48 AM  

Bag of Hammers: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

*notsureifserious*


Lubbock TX, you make the call.
 
2012-10-02 11:19:50 AM  

qorkfiend: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

Constitution forbids anyone from having to pay to vote. Make the IDs free and automatically issued for everyone and you might get somewhere.


Fine by me. If there were anything worth the taxpayers money to pay for, it's making sure that the elections are not prone to fraud.
 
2012-10-02 11:19:56 AM  
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2012-10-02 11:19:59 AM  
Haven't been following this much so if someone would please clear this up, how is requiring a state issued ID to vote a barrier to poor folks voting?
 
2012-10-02 11:20:15 AM  
dead people voting

Cracks me up.
 
2012-10-02 11:20:39 AM  
The GOP was so close to having the wasteful bureaucratic government restriction on rights they love so much. What a shame.
 
2012-10-02 11:21:17 AM  
This is very good news, but it won't have any impact on anything. Obama was going to carry the state either way by a very sound margin.
 
2012-10-02 11:21:24 AM  

hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.


any bites yet?

funny, though, that the only voter fraud stories seem to involve republicans like this nathan sproul scumbag.
 
2012-10-02 11:21:34 AM  

bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?


Lots of people who are "poor" work at jobs that don't give them time off, or if they don't work, may not have a vehicle, or have to rely on public transportation that doesn't go past whereever the ID office is located and is open. Some states closed ID offices in areas of heavy Democratic populations, others changed the times they were open to very restrictive hours. Other states don't come out with the requirements for the ID's, so someone needing an ID may have to make multiple trips to the office to get all the documents.

/still don't see what the actual goal is, do you?
 
2012-10-02 11:21:42 AM  

bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?


Some people are really poor and cannot afford something that they see has no value in their life. Why get an ID if you don't need it?
 
2012-10-02 11:21:43 AM  

bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?


It doesn't prohibit you from having one. They cost money to obtain. I've heard they cost around $30.00 in this part of Ohio.
 
2012-10-02 11:21:45 AM  
Good. Suck it, Pennsylvania GOP.
 
2012-10-02 11:21:48 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: There goes Romney's last chance at winning Pennsylvania. If they can't keep the poor, elderly, and college students from voting, he's done.

Hard to feel bad about this.



I don't know any poor, elderly or college students who don't have ID.  Is that a problem in Pennsylvania?
 
2012-10-02 11:21:53 AM  

bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?


They cost money. And it's not a state issued ID, it's a state issued PHOTO ID.
 
2012-10-02 11:22:08 AM  

bmongar: The dead always favor Democrats because they no longer live in the fear it takes to maintain a Republican affiliation.


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2012-10-02 11:22:14 AM  

OhLuverly: Haven't been following this much so if someone would please clear this up, how is requiring a state issued ID to vote a barrier to poor folks voting?


It is a poll tax and thus violates the constitution. The right to vote is contingent on showing up, nothing else.
 
2012-10-02 11:22:19 AM  
Okay, ALL is fair in WAR.....NO ID, no problem...TAKE ANY ONE AND EVERYONE you know who isn't registered to the polls. IF you have guest from out of town take them to vote....HELL TWO CAN PLAY THE SAME GAME!! If you can rent a van, pick up folk from the streets and take them to vote. Hell offer them a pack of cigarettes, a beer or an ex-large soda in exchange for their vote....DON'T JUST MOAN AND GROAN....TAKE ACTION AND STICK IT UP their BUTTS WHERE THE SUN DON'T SUNSHINE!! link

Republicans seem slightly upset by this turn of events.
 
2012-10-02 11:22:35 AM  

bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?


Depends on the voter ID requirement in question. Pennsylvania's in particular required you to pay money and take time out of the work day to acquire the documents necessary to get the photo ID. (You do know that most of the poor work, right? And that they can't get time off whenever they want?)
 
2012-10-02 11:22:45 AM  
You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?
 
2012-10-02 11:22:46 AM  
Voter fraud occurs in 2/million cases.
 
2012-10-02 11:22:53 AM  
Voter ID is a fine idea. The problem is that Republicans want to push these laws through as fast as they can making it harder for people that typically vote Democratic. Students, minorities and the poor will all have a more difficult time voting.

Want to do it right? Do the ID part of the law first. Make sure every citizen has an ID (for free) so they can vote. Then put the ID requirement for voting through. That is, if you're really interesting in preventing voter fraud and making sure everyone can vote.
 
2012-10-02 11:22:55 AM  

hetheeme: it's making sure that the elections are not prone to fraud.


So you advocate that the GOP be tested constantly for compliance. Good choice.
 
2012-10-02 11:23:00 AM  

bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?


It means you have to schedule time off from work to travel to and wait around at whatever office or registry is issuing those IDs, and while that may certainly be possible, the closer to a minimum wage job you have, the stricter the supervisor tends to be about schedules. So, maybe it takes a month or two to schedule that time off. No problem... you'll get your ID in December.
... too late.

That's why it's unreasonable to push through a new voter ID requirement a month before a national election, while it's perfectly reasonable for the judge to say "fine, this law takes effect starting next year. People will have almost two years before the next national election to get their ID, rather than four weeks."

The only people who could possibly have a problem with this are those who were explicitly relying on this to unfairly affect the outcome of this election. In other words, complaining about it means that you're in favor of disenfranchising people.
 
2012-10-02 11:23:09 AM  

qorkfiend: Constitution forbids anyone from having to pay to vote. Make the IDs free and automatically issued for everyone and you might get somewhere.


Funnily enough, if you want an ID to vote PennDOT will give you one for free.

Oh, and your nursing home ID and student ID are OK too if they have an expiration date.

I'm still struggling to understand how you can get through life without a photo ID in today's world - that is to say not needing one at least once every four years, our validity period in PA.
 
2012-10-02 11:23:21 AM  

smitty04: illegal immigrants and dead people still allowed to vote in PA

Obama voters.



47%
 
2012-10-02 11:23:30 AM  

FlashHarry: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

any bites yet?

funny, though, that the only voter fraud stories seem to involve republicans like this nathan sproul scumbag.


Dontcha just love the RW trolls blurting "DEMONCRAT VOTER FRAUD~!" when many stories are sprouting up recently about voter fraud involving the GOP.

When it's about power, Republicans pretty much will sell their soul to Satan in order to get it.
 
2012-10-02 11:23:44 AM  

Chabash: What about rich old white people? Are they still allowed?


They can still buy as many votes as they want.
 
2012-10-02 11:23:55 AM  

bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?


If the ID costs money, it's a poll tax, which is unconstitutional.

If the ID does not cost money, there's still the time involved in obtaining an ID. Generally speaking, the working poor in the US don't have the type of career where they can say "hey, I need to take off from work to run to the DMV and grab an ID", because management can easily find another minimum-wage worker who will actually be able to stay at work.
 
2012-10-02 11:24:05 AM  

I_C_Weener: I don't know any poor, elderly or college students who don't have ID. Is that a problem in Pennsylvania?


Ask the former Mayor of Pittsburgh
.
 
2012-10-02 11:24:12 AM  

hetheeme: qorkfiend: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

Constitution forbids anyone from having to pay to vote. Make the IDs free and automatically issued for everyone and you might get somewhere.

Fine by me. If there were anything worth the taxpayers money to pay for, it's making sure that the elections are not prone to fraud.


These laws hinge in people NOT being able to afford the ID. In NH they passed a law which said that students wishing to vote at school had to not only have a NH licence but had to have a REGISTERED vehicle. Guess who the students will vote for? Guess who controls the NH legislature.

(hopefully will be scuttled as well)
 
2012-10-02 11:24:20 AM  

I_C_Weener: tallguywithglasseson: There goes Romney's last chance at winning Pennsylvania. If they can't keep the poor, elderly, and college students from voting, he's done.

Hard to feel bad about this.


I don't know any poor, elderly or college students who don't have ID.  Is that a problem in Pennsylvania?


I don't know of any cases of voter fraud in the USA. Is that a problem in Pennsylvania?

The biggest problem with this legislation is that it's under the guise of fixing voter fraud, something which isn't a problem anywhere in this country. We have turnout of less than 50% in presidential elections. There is no voter fraud problem to solve.
 
2012-10-02 11:24:39 AM  

PonceAlyosha: OhLuverly: Haven't been following this much so if someone would please clear this up, how is requiring a state issued ID to vote a barrier to poor folks voting?

It is a poll tax and thus violates the constitution. The right to vote is contingent on showing up, nothing else.



Well, showing up and being eligibel to vote...over 18, citizen, that kind of stuff.
 
State should pay for the IDs.  Indiana does.  That is why its ID law remains.
 
2012-10-02 11:24:49 AM  

Marine1: With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID?


old people and poor people who are still americans with a constitutionally guaranteed right to vote.
 
2012-10-02 11:25:21 AM  

slykens1: qorkfiend: Constitution forbids anyone from having to pay to vote. Make the IDs free and automatically issued for everyone and you might get somewhere.

Funnily enough, if you want an ID to vote PennDOT will give you one for free.

Oh, and your nursing home ID and student ID are OK too if they have an expiration date.

I'm still struggling to understand how you can get through life without a photo ID in today's world - that is to say not needing one at least once every four years, our validity period in PA.


Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.
 
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2012-10-02 11:25:26 AM  

bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?


Maybe because you can't afford a car so you don't have a license, and the 13.50 for an ID plus bus fare and time to get to the DOT to get an ID card to vote is more than some people can spend if they are really broke, especially if the reason they are broke is because they are disabled or elderly.
 
2012-10-02 11:25:29 AM  
Good. I now live in PA, and hearing the stories about how people were being turned away by idiot clerks at the DMV upset me. I finally got my voter registration card in the mail the other day. Going to put it to good use.
 
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2012-10-02 11:25:36 AM  

hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.


I'd rather have this kind of voter fraud than the kind of voter fraud perpetuated in Florida in 2000...

I'd also rather see all states use paper ballots with optical scanners. They have a paper trail for manual counting and marking a line with a pen between two dots is about as failsafe as one can get.

Every citizen has the constitutional right to vote. Anyone who denies them that right should be prosecuted and thrown in jail. If states want all registered voters to have ID, then the burden should be on the states to compare their voter rolls to their state ID system, and to notify all registered voters without a record of ID that they need it, and then the state should see to getting them that ID. If not, the state is disenfranchising them through its own action.
 
2012-10-02 11:25:45 AM  
WTF? You dont have to show ID?

What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-10-02 11:25:49 AM  

Rwa2play: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

Yes because it's Democrats AND ONLY Democrats that commit voter fraud.

Maybe you should try using Google before you say something this asinine.


Voter fraud help whoever has control of the political machine in the area. If Republicans win due to fraud, then throw those bastards out as well. The machine in PA is solid blue, so allowing fraud there helps Democrats out more than it would Republicans.

On any level, from any party, voter intimidation, voter fraud, and voter disenfranchisement are wrong.

If it means paying a little more from the state for a free version of the state IDs that are already issued, that can be used to make sure that one person, one vote means just that, then so be it.

oh and

2wolves: Bag of Hammers: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

*notsureifserious*

Lubbock TX, you make the call.


You are a bigot.
 
2012-10-02 11:25:50 AM  

slykens1: qorkfiend: Constitution forbids anyone from having to pay to vote. Make the IDs free and automatically issued for everyone and you might get somewhere.

Funnily enough, if you want an ID to vote PennDOT will give you one for free.

Oh, and your nursing home ID and student ID are OK too if they have an expiration date.

I'm still struggling to understand how you can get through life without a photo ID in today's world - that is to say not needing one at least once every four years, our validity period in PA.


That's why. Lots of older and/or poorer people only get an ID when they need it and then once it's expired don't renew it.
 
2012-10-02 11:25:51 AM  
Darn, I was about to submit "Activist Judge Unwins State of PA for Mitt Romney"

/i don't need no stinkin grammar
 
2012-10-02 11:25:58 AM  

FlashHarry: Marine1: With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID?

old people and poor people who are still americans with a constitutionally guaranteed right to vote.


Dude, if you don't have an ID, you're off the farking grid these days. I mean, no ID? None? Whatsoever?
 
2012-10-02 11:26:14 AM  
'Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania?"- undone you slimy mistake of a mother-farker
 
2012-10-02 11:26:38 AM  

I_C_Weener: I don't know any poor, elderly or college students who don't have ID


Must not be any then.
 
2012-10-02 11:26:42 AM  

slykens1: qorkfiend: Constitution forbids anyone from having to pay to vote. Make the IDs free and automatically issued for everyone and you might get somewhere.

Funnily enough, if you want an ID to vote PennDOT will give you one for free.

Oh, and your nursing home ID and student ID are OK too if they have an expiration date.

I'm still struggling to understand how you can get through life without a photo ID in today's world - that is to say not needing one at least once every four years, our validity period in PA.


So are you disputing the surveys that say a significant portion of the population don't have a valid idea or are you just straight up using the fallacy of incredulity?
 
2012-10-02 11:26:50 AM  

bhcompy: I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?


It fraking doesn't.
 
2012-10-02 11:27:11 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I_C_Weener: I don't know any poor, elderly or college students who don't have ID. Is that a problem in Pennsylvania?

Ask the former Mayor of Pittsburgh.



Okay...how can you be mayor and just not have photo ID?  And why is she admitting to voter fraud in the 30's?  Haha.
 
2012-10-02 11:27:16 AM  
You want to make voters better off? Get rid of the electoral college.
 
2012-10-02 11:27:25 AM  
Who did Snowball 2 vote for? Great day for democracy people!
 
2012-10-02 11:27:25 AM  

Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?


Photo ID. Handicapped, elderly and indigent. People you probably don't know or see, but are still citizens with a right to vote.

I already provided adequate ID when I registered to vote. I can vote with my registration card, which lacks a photo.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-02 11:27:25 AM  

hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.


Maybe we should test it on Republicans first. You have to prove who you are to the satisfaction of a volunteer campaign worker selected by me or you can't vote.

I think that will work out nicely.
 
2012-10-02 11:27:29 AM  
A judge on Tuesday blocked Pennsylvania's divisive voter identification requirement from going into effect on Election Day, delivering a hard-fought victory to Democrats who said it was a ploy to defeat President Barack Obama and other opponents who said it would prevent the elderly and minorities from voting.

This claim is entirely without merit. Democrats would have an audience believe that the governor of Pennsylvania was recorded as stating that the "Voter ID" legislation would enable Mr. Romney to win the state.
 
2012-10-02 11:27:41 AM  
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2012-10-02 11:27:46 AM  

qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.


A whole lot of this in this thread, and every thread of this nature.

A small minded argument.
 
2012-10-02 11:28:03 AM  
Does this mean I do not need ID to go vote in Mexican elections
 
2012-10-02 11:28:14 AM  

kronicfeld: No, sorry, you can't throw up eleventh-hour barriers to vote and claim that they won't have a substantial impact.


I really think that in general, there should be requirement that new requirements for voting and other election law changes should not go into effect in the next election cycle. If they're such good changes, and not partisan in nature, then that shouldn't be a problem, right? Let the people vote on their representatives at least once before changing the rules about how they can vote.
 
2012-10-02 11:28:14 AM  

Marine1: Dude, if you don't have an ID, you're off the farking grid these days. I mean, no ID? None? Whatsoever?


Good point, can you and your Republican buddies drive the people who dont have an ID to the ID place and pay for it so they can vote?
 
2012-10-02 11:28:17 AM  

iheartscotch: The actual issue is people that live in two states. New York and Florida for example. It is POSSIBLE that a snow bird could POTENTIALLY vote in both states. I know, I know; it's a bit of a stretch; but that doesn't change the fact that it could happen.


Voter ID laws don't fix that.
 
2012-10-02 11:28:22 AM  

qorkfiend: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

Constitution forbids anyone from having to pay to vote. Make the IDs free and automatically issued for everyone and you might get somewhere.


You can get a free ID because of this law. Link
 
2012-10-02 11:28:24 AM  
They had a segment on NPR about this law yesterday. They had a regular elections specialist and a Republican strategist. The conversation was basically like this:

Election specialist: Well, one concern is that there are elderly people who won't be able to easily procure a photo ID.

Republican strategist: Derpderpfreedomderp, if you're concerned, you drive them to the Social Security office.

Election specialist: Well, in some states, you can't get a birth certificate without a photo ID, and you can't get a photo ID without a birth certificate.

Republican strategist: Well, those people are exceptions.

Election specialist: Isn't voting a right?

Republican strategist: Of course it is. Everyone should be able to vote, no matter how difficult we make it.
 
2012-10-02 11:28:24 AM  

WTFDYW: bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?

It doesn't prohibit you from having one. They cost money to obtain. I've heard they cost around $30.00 in this part of Ohio.


According to the Ohio DMV, it costs 8.50 for just a state identification card. Typically states also have provisions allowing the fee to be waived for low income families.
 
2012-10-02 11:28:29 AM  

CravenMorehead: Voter ID is a fine idea. The problem is that Republicans want to push these laws through as fast as they can making it harder for people that typically vote Democratic. Students, minorities and the poor will all have a more difficult time voting.

Want to do it right? Do the ID part of the law first. Make sure every citizen has an ID (for free) so they can vote. Then put the ID requirement for voting through. That is, if you're really interesting in preventing voter fraud and making sure everyone can vote.


Part of the problem with that is a good number of people are dead set against any form of national id. Damned if I know why. There is no reason you can't issue a single card today that can link all my id's, passport included, and have it be the same on a national level.

As for the cost, I just renewed my drivers license this weekend. $24 for 4 years. and that is in Jersey, I'd imagine other states are cheaper. If you can't make a $6 yearly investment in something that is going to make your life so much easier, well, you probably shouldn't have a say in anything to begin with.
 
2012-10-02 11:28:32 AM  
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2012-10-02 11:28:36 AM  

PonceAlyosha: It is a poll tax and thus violates the constitution. The right to vote is contingent on showing up, nothing else.


The right to vote HOW many times?
 
2012-10-02 11:28:38 AM  

moothemagiccow: Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?

Photo ID. Handicapped, elderly and indigent. People you probably don't know or see, but are still citizens with a right to vote.

I already provided adequate ID when I registered to vote. I can vote with my registration card, which lacks a photo.


Then get them a freakin' ID so they can use it in the rest of their lives. Not having that little card more or less screws you over for opportunity in today's world.
 
2012-10-02 11:28:44 AM  

hetheeme: qorkfiend: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

Constitution forbids anyone from having to pay to vote. Make the IDs free and automatically issued for everyone and you might get somewhere.

Fine by me. If there were anything worth the taxpayers money to pay for, it's making sure that the elections are not prone to fraud.


Show me evidence of in person voter fraud and then we'll worry about the taxpayer expense.
 
2012-10-02 11:28:49 AM  

hetheeme: Rwa2play: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

Yes because it's Democrats AND ONLY Democrats that commit voter fraud.

Maybe you should try using Google before you say something this asinine.

Voter fraud help whoever has control of the political machine in the area. If Republicans win due to fraud, then throw those bastards out as well. The machine in PA is solid blue, so allowing fraud there helps Democrats out more than it would Republicans.

On any level, from any party, voter intimidation, voter fraud, and voter disenfranchisement are wrong.

If it means paying a little more from the state for a free version of the state IDs that are already issued, that can be used to make sure that one person, one vote means just that, then so be it.

oh and 2wolves: Bag of Hammers: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

*notsureifserious*

Lubbock TX, you make the call.

You are a bigot.


With regards to TEXANS? Bet your ass I am. But not with Texans. I make that call.
 
2012-10-02 11:29:05 AM  
How dumb do states and their legislatures have to be? One state (Indiana) has already provided the blueprint for a Voter ID law that survived a SCOTUS case and came out with a 6-3 majority. Whether or not you oppose or support the Voter ID laws, the sheer amount of party stupidity and ignorance in the state governments is pretty shocking.
 
2012-10-02 11:29:18 AM  

bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?


State IDs usually cost money which violates the 24th amendment forbidding poll taxes. Interestingly enough, adjusting for inflation, poll taxes were only about $18 in today's dollars. So there was a time that even Republicans were concerned enough about the poor having to shell out $18 in order to vote that it became an amendemnt.
 
2012-10-02 11:29:21 AM  

Dimensio: This claim is entirely without merit.


As is the claim of voter fraud.
Thus the return to status quo.

/Ha-ha!
//Suck it, butt-hurt titty babies.
 
2012-10-02 11:29:40 AM  

moothemagiccow: bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?

They cost money are free. And it's not a state issued ID, it's a state issued PHOTO ID.


ftfy
 
2012-10-02 11:29:44 AM  

NateGrey: Marine1: Dude, if you don't have an ID, you're off the farking grid these days. I mean, no ID? None? Whatsoever?

Good point, can you and your Republican buddies drive the people who dont have an ID to the ID place and pay for it so they can vote?


Hey, if they honestly want one, sure. I'd be happy to.

And please... there's no way I'm voting for Romney this election.
 
2012-10-02 11:29:49 AM  

Alonjar: WTF? You dont have to show ID?

What could possibly go wrong?


Someone could spend a day driving around and hitting as many as a dozen polling places (given travel time and time standing in line)? Why, they could vote 11 more times than others...

Pennsylvania 2008 results:
Barack Obama 3,192,316
John McCain 2,586,496
Ralph Nader 41,520
Bob Barr 19,926


... resulting in less of an effect on the election than .1% of Bob Barr's supporters did.
 
2012-10-02 11:30:03 AM  

hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.


They do require ID, just not the kind specified in this legislation. The previous laws were working, why is there any need to fix them?

We do not need to challenge the young & poor to stop them voting. They're barely voting as it is.
 
2012-10-02 11:30:07 AM  
Both parties have the same problem, just in different states.
Their cushion of dead voters and corrupted district vote tallies are old and expensive to keep up.
There are way too many new young, activated and insulted old, and brown voters showing up.

Suck it
 
2012-10-02 11:30:31 AM  
Rule 2: Double vote
 
2012-10-02 11:30:37 AM  

YouBWrong: done


Un
 
2012-10-02 11:30:40 AM  

LineNoise: If you can't make a $6 yearly investment in something that is going to make your life so much easier, well, you probably shouldn't have a say in anything to begin with.


Why do you hate the Constitution?
 
2012-10-02 11:30:47 AM  
If Fartbongo wins through the dead and illegal vote we're going to have ourselves a merry old time. It'll be like they throw a civil war and WWIII over the same weekend and everybody brings a friend.
 
2012-10-02 11:30:47 AM  

Bendal: bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?

Lots of people who are "poor" work at jobs that don't give them time off, or if they don't work, may not have a vehicle, or have to rely on public transportation that doesn't go past whereever the ID office is located and is open. Some states closed ID offices in areas of heavy Democratic populations, others changed the times they were open to very restrictive hours. Other states don't come out with the requirements for the ID's, so someone needing an ID may have to make multiple trips to the office to get all the documents.

/still don't see what the actual goal is, do you?


But, but, but; if the id card place isn't open 24 hours a day, and if there isn't a dedicated bus line; how will undocumented immigrants steal old people's identities?

I'm not being serious; but dems aren't innocent as lambs in all this. Some of the same stuff happens to the 3 republicans in the democratic republic of California.

Depending on the state; it's pointless to be republican or democrat. I think political parties should be outlawed; mainly because of the "us vs. them" attitude that pervades the system.
 
2012-10-02 11:31:18 AM  

qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.


Instead of a moronic snarky reply, please explain some scenarios where a competent person can manage to get through four years of life without needing ID, especially considering all the people and places that request ID.
 
2012-10-02 11:31:26 AM  

Marine1: Then get them a freakin' ID so they can use it in the rest of their lives. Not having that little card more or less screws you over for opportunity in today's world.


But you need experience to get a job.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-02 11:31:27 AM  

Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?


Yes, poor people transfer large amounts of money and travel to foreign countries all the time.
I can see that Republican grasp on reality is as loose as ever.
 
2012-10-02 11:31:28 AM  

kronicfeld: No, sorry, you can't throw up eleventh-hour barriers to vote and claim that they won't have a substantial impact.


Law was passed in June or July.....more like putting up a barrier at 3:30 in the afternoon than 11pm
 
2012-10-02 11:31:32 AM  

Marine1: With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID?


Vampires.
 
2012-10-02 11:32:03 AM  
I believe it is time to ensure the right to vote for everyone.  My three kids should be eligible to vote.  Its guaranteed in the Constitution fer chrissakes!!!!
 
2012-10-02 11:32:10 AM  

slykens1: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

Instead of a moronic snarky reply, please explain some scenarios where a competent person can manage to get through four years of life without needing ID, especially considering all the people and places that request ID.


Why don't you read the thread, or any one of the hundreds of other threads on this topic?
 
2012-10-02 11:32:13 AM  

Marine1: NateGrey: Marine1: Dude, if you don't have an ID, you're off the farking grid these days. I mean, no ID? None? Whatsoever?

Good point, can you and your Republican buddies drive the people who dont have an ID to the ID place and pay for it so they can vote?

Hey, if they honestly want one, sure. I'd be happy to.

And please... there's no way I'm voting for Romney this election.


Neither is anyone else, but that is a secret.

Not even his "own" sycophants trust him enough to really support him.
 
2012-10-02 11:32:23 AM  
 
2012-10-02 11:32:25 AM  
Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.
 
2012-10-02 11:32:31 AM  

Marine1: Dude, if you don't have an ID, you're off the farking grid these days. I mean, no ID? None? Whatsoever?


Your incredulity doesn't allow those without IDs to vote.

Weren't you the dude disparaging the military during the Libyan ambassador thing?
 
2012-10-02 11:32:32 AM  
Phweew. For a minute there I thought I was going to have to show ID to vote...

.....after I verify my address then sign my name and have it authorized by two present voting officials.

I think I'll vote ALL THE TIMES
 
2012-10-02 11:32:40 AM  

slykens1: I'm still struggling to understand how you can get through life without a photo ID in today's world - that is to say not needing one at least once every four years, our validity period in PA.


Remember kids, if you lack the basic human empathy to imagine yourself in another person's shoes...

if you think everyone everywhere is exactly like you...

if you found yourself wondering why the poor black folks in N.O. didn't just pack the wife, dog, and 2.3 kids into the SUV and put a few nights at the Baton Rouge Holiday Inn on the Amex....


... you just might have what it takes to be a Modern RepublicanTM

Apply today at the segregated country club nearest you!
 
2012-10-02 11:32:43 AM  

fireclown: PonceAlyosha: It is a poll tax and thus violates the constitution. The right to vote is contingent on showing up, nothing else.

The right to vote HOW many times?


That's the issue though. There just isn't much evidence that this actually happens and who it helps. Why it gets overturned is you cannot make sure thousands of people cannot vote because someone MIGHT break the system. Most actual election fraud that has been discovered this cycle is at a higher level than the individual voter (with both parties being guilty). I'm sure we'll find 3 total people on election day who break the rules and say that DEFINITELY means we should make it so that people have to pay for their rights.
 
2012-10-02 11:32:46 AM  
Shiat, entire county results can be altered in an instant with the touch of a button or loading of Flash memory on an electronic voting machine or by modification of the centralized results database, and we're concerned that someone may drive around to multiple polling places in person?
 
2012-10-02 11:32:57 AM  

Dimensio: A judge on Tuesday blocked Pennsylvania's divisive voter identification requirement from going into effect on Election Day, delivering a hard-fought victory to Democrats who said it was a ploy to defeat President Barack Obama and other opponents who said it would prevent the elderly and minorities from voting.

This claim is entirely without merit. Democrats would have an audience believe that the governor of Pennsylvania was recorded as stating that the "Voter ID" legislation would enable Mr. Romney to win the state.


Nobody said the governor. It was a state lawmaker.
 
2012-10-02 11:32:57 AM  
Nevermind the complete lack of evidence of that being a problem in PA, subby. Simple logic: if the solution disenfranchises more viable voters than the number of fraudulent votes it prevents (by, oh, infinity percent or so), then the law is retarded and is itself a thinly veiled attempt at fraud via the system.
 
GBB
2012-10-02 11:33:09 AM  

Chabash: What about rich old white people? Are they still allowed?


Yes, and they are given more time to vote because they are so busy with their job creatin' and whutnot.
 
2012-10-02 11:33:29 AM  
AWESOME SAUCE!!!!!

suck it, disenfranchisers!!!!
 
2012-10-02 11:33:33 AM  

Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID?


So, what you're doing is pretending that all the cases of people who couldn't get the requisite photo ID necessary to vote in PA were fictitious.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:05 AM  

Marine1: Driving


If you have a PA driver's license, you are automatically registered to vote.

I hated growing up in PA. Its probably the reason why I don't give a shiat about politics. Growing up in a rural area meant that a-hole Rendell would pass legislature to benefit inner-city, then the repubs figure how to rape the land and give jobs such as trucker to the state.

You both can fark yourselves.

/already left
 
2012-10-02 11:34:06 AM  

I_C_Weener: I believe it is time to ensure the right to vote for everyone.  My three kids should be eligible to vote.  Its guaranteed in the Constitution fer chrissakes!!!!


Are your kids over 18? Because the Constitution explicitly sets that limit.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:07 AM  

vpb: Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?

Yes, poor people transfer large amounts of money and travel to foreign countries all the time.
I can see that Republican grasp on reality is as loose as ever.


You forgot using a casino.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:12 AM  

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2012-10-02 11:34:15 AM  

Marine1: moothemagiccow: Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?

Photo ID. Handicapped, elderly and indigent. People you probably don't know or see, but are still citizens with a right to vote.

I already provided adequate ID when I registered to vote. I can vote with my registration card, which lacks a photo.

Then get them a freakin' ID so they can use it in the rest of their lives. Not having that little card more or less screws you over for opportunity in today's world.


I agree. But requiring such an ID to vote isn't going to help them, it's just going to stop them voting.

I don't know the cost required in rounding up the poor and photographing them, but I'm fine with it.
The DMV in my state requires 3 forms of identification and your dick length and doesn't tell you about it until you take the time to visit the office and wait to speak with someone. I'm sure some efficiency can be made there.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:23 AM  

hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.


Next time, try changing the rules BEFORE the year of said election, morons. That way the bias and racism isn't so explicit.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:27 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Marine1: Then get them a freakin' ID so they can use it in the rest of their lives. Not having that little card more or less screws you over for opportunity in today's world.

But you need experience to get a job.



Or initiative.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:32 AM  
So Obama's Black Panther thugs are intimidating judges now too.


/el-oh-el-oh-el
 
2012-10-02 11:34:33 AM  

Marine1: Opening a line of credit


You forgot buying stocks and bonds.
And booking that yacht on the French Riveria.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:54 AM  

FlashHarry: old people and poor people who are still americans with a constitutionally guaranteed right to vote.


Is the Second Amendment still a "right?" Because here in NJ, getting an ID is the least difficult thing to do in exercising that right. Fingerprinting, background check, Firearm purchaser ID, Permit to Purchase, etc.... and I'll still never be allowed to "bear arms" only "keep."

But this works both ways.... Republicans can't be for Voter ID if they're against Firearm ID. I mean they can, but it's contradictory.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:55 AM  

slykens1: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

Instead of a moronic snarky reply, please explain some scenarios where a competent person can manage to get through four years of life without needing ID, especially considering all the people and places that request ID.


I did it for 6. Wasn't really difficult.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:59 AM  

what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.


the ID is free the law was passed in June or July.

Leave it to democrats to procrastinate and complain about having to pay for something that is free......
 
2012-10-02 11:35:08 AM  

hetheeme: "Simpson ordered the state not to enforce the photo ID requirement in this year's presidential election but will allow it to go into full effect next year."

Good to know that they can commit fraud just long enough to let Obama win the state one last time.

Nothing wring with the law in general, apparently, just that it would hurt the Obama administration.


Numerous people, in interviews, articles, blog posts, and here in this very thread, have pointed out what is wrong with the law in general. It is that it requires a state-issued ID, which is not free, which means that a fee must be paid in order to vote, which is specifically outlawed by the Constitution.
 
2012-10-02 11:35:20 AM  
If you google "illegal immigrant voting" you will find about 8.5 million articles more or less.

There are between 12 and 20 million illegals in the USA, and as near as I can tell, most of them vote.

Obama beat McCain by 69 million to 59 million last election; this one is likely to be closer.

How many of those votes were illegal?
 
2012-10-02 11:35:22 AM  

slykens1: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

Instead of a moronic snarky reply, please explain some scenarios where a competent person can manage to get through four years of life without needing ID, especially considering all the people and places that request ID.


Explain why we need more restrictions on voting.
 
2012-10-02 11:35:23 AM  
Well, this Voter ID push has just worked wonders for the GOP, hasn't it?
 
2012-10-02 11:35:28 AM  
The battle is being fought now by Democrats to establish the precedent of voting without ID.

ONCE it is established, THEN the illegals will vote in droves for the Democrats.

If the illegals tried now, the backlash would guarantee that firm voter ID requirements would be put in place.
 
2012-10-02 11:36:12 AM  

Theaetetus: I_C_Weener: I believe it is time to ensure the right to vote for everyone.  My three kids should be eligible to vote.  Its guaranteed in the Constitution fer chrissakes!!!!

Are your kids over 18? Because the Constitution explicitly sets that limit.



Farking constitution is UNAMERICAN!!!
 
2012-10-02 11:36:34 AM  

olddinosaur: If you google "illegal immigrant voting" you will find about 8.5 million articles more or less.

There are between 12 and 20 million illegals in the USA, and as near as I can tell, most of them vote.


... because every illegal immigrant who votes puts an article online about it?
 
2012-10-02 11:36:35 AM  

hetheeme: Rwa2play: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

Yes because it's Democrats AND ONLY Democrats that commit voter fraud.

Maybe you should try using Google before you say something this asinine.

Voter fraud help whoever has control of the political machine in the area. If Republicans win due to fraud, then throw those bastards out as well. The machine in PA is solid blue, so allowing fraud there helps Democrats out more than it would Republicans.


Except for the fact this law was specifically crafted in order to have Romney win PA AND it was even stated as such.

So no, in this case voter fraud was being done by Republicans in the form of a law which violates the Constitution.

On any level, from any party, voter intimidation, voter fraud, and voter disenfranchisement are wrong.

If it means paying a little more from the state for a free version of the state IDs that are already issued, that can be used to make sure that one person, one vote means just that, then so be it.


Fair enough; so long as the state pays for it.

oh and 2wolves: Bag of Hammers: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

*notsureifserious*

Lubbock TX, you make the call.

You are a bigot.


Evasion noted.
 
2012-10-02 11:36:56 AM  

what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.


And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?

And we're now trusting polling place workers with inspecting IDs? With no training whatsoever?

All to fix a problem that does not exist in any significant way.
 
2012-10-02 11:37:01 AM  

I_C_Weener: Okay...how can you be mayor and just not have photo ID? And why is she admitting to voter fraud in the 30's? Haha.


She's 94, doesn't drive* and everyone knows who she is. Why would she need a government issued, picture ID showing where she lives?

*Thank God for that, BTW. She nearly ran me over a few years back.
 
2012-10-02 11:37:05 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

A whole lot of this in this thread, and every thread of this nature.

A small minded argument.


THIS.

Republicans are so out of touch with reality, they literally cannot fathom poor people and their problems. This has been supported infinite times by Fox News, and is thus an undeniable fact. 97% of poor households have a TRASHCAN and a FRIDGE!
 
2012-10-02 11:37:07 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: slykens1: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

Instead of a moronic snarky reply, please explain some scenarios where a competent person can manage to get through four years of life without needing ID, especially considering all the people and places that request ID.

I did it for 6. Wasn't really difficult.


How did you cash a check? What span of 6 years was it?
 
2012-10-02 11:37:09 AM  

moothemagiccow: I don't know the cost required in rounding up the poor and photographing them, but I'm fine with it.



Sure, they don't want to pay for an ID, and now they are complaining about being "rounded up".  WTF is their problem?
 
2012-10-02 11:37:15 AM  
You guys do realize that in order to get on the voter rolls, you need to complete the census, right?

So all these people who refused to complete the census because Obama would then round them up and take them to FEMA camps will be the ones hassled.

And by hassled, I mean they will need to show ID or vote in a provisional ballot
 
2012-10-02 11:37:25 AM  

what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.


THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.

From the government page linked just above:
Since the Pennsylvania Voter ID law was enacted in March, PennDOT has been working closely with the Department of State to ensure that every voter has the opportunity to obtain photo identification. If you don't possess photo identification for voting purposes, you will be able to obtain a new Department of State voter identification card for free by visiting a PennDOT Driver License Center.

How can people in this thread still be pretending that the normal $12 for a 4 year drivers license still applies here? That $3 a year fee is not even applicable, as these ID's are FREE.

// Sorry for all the yelling, I'm pissed that people are being misled by the Democrats
 
2012-10-02 11:37:26 AM  

Theaetetus: Shiat, entire county results can be altered in an instant with the touch of a button or loading of Flash memory on an electronic voting machine or by modification of the centralized results database, and we're concerned that someone may drive around to multiple polling places in person?


It all adds up.
Dead voters
Corruption of results
Community organization
Voter enlistment and transportation to area votes are needed

Different areas have different cons. Both sides play, share the hate.
 
2012-10-02 11:37:30 AM  

Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?


Don't you know that poor people are always at work and can't get off to do any of these things? Have you ever seen a poor person smoking a cigarette or drinking alcohol? I didn't think so.
 
2012-10-02 11:37:51 AM  

moothemagiccow: slykens1: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

Instead of a moronic snarky reply, please explain some scenarios where a competent person can manage to get through four years of life without needing ID, especially considering all the people and places that request ID.

Explain why we need more restrictions on voting.



Well, have you seen some of the morons whose vote cancels yours out?  Victoria Jackson votes.
 
2012-10-02 11:38:15 AM  
What a wonderful country we live in where a judge can subvert democracy. The voter ID law was passed by a elected state legislature. And he did not overturn it, he just delayed its enforcement until next year. Sounds like someone paid the judge off.
 
2012-10-02 11:38:16 AM  
so Republicans think that you can just drive around to every polling place and vote?

insertmorbo.jpg
 
2012-10-02 11:38:18 AM  

TWX: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

I'd rather have this kind of voter fraud than the kind of voter fraud perpetuated in Florida in 2000...

I'd also rather see all states use paper ballots with optical scanners. They have a paper trail for manual counting and marking a line with a pen between two dots is about as failsafe as one can get.

Every citizen has the constitutional right to vote. Anyone who denies them that right should be prosecuted and thrown in jail. If states want all registered voters to have ID, then the burden should be on the states to compare their voter rolls to their state ID system, and to notify all registered voters without a record of ID that they need it, and then the state should see to getting them that ID. If not, the state is disenfranchising them through its own action.


With the exception of the dig on Florida, I agree 100%

Of all the things a state should be doing, ensuring honest elections should be at the top of the list.

/worth the money
 
2012-10-02 11:38:22 AM  
How about we assume that there's a significant amount of vote fraud and simply reject 1% of the votes for each candidate?
 
2012-10-02 11:38:32 AM  

Marine1: FlashHarry: Marine1: With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID?

old people and poor people who are still americans with a constitutionally guaranteed right to vote.

Dude, if you don't have an ID, you're off the farking grid these days. I mean, no ID? None? Whatsoever?


In Philly alone, there are roughly half a million people who lack photo ID that would have been required for them to vote.

Of course, almost all of them are democrats, which was the point.
 
2012-10-02 11:38:35 AM  
I remember the first time I voted... couldn't believe I didn't have to show ID.
 
2012-10-02 11:38:48 AM  

Giltric: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.

the ID is free the law was passed in June or July.

Leave it to democrats to procrastinate and complain about having to pay for something that is free......


Not charging $20 does not make it free. The DMV has set hours and a set place that conflicts with many people's work schedule and mobility. The polls already have these time and place restrictions. Why do we need more?
 
2012-10-02 11:38:57 AM  

Theaetetus: Shiat, entire county results can be altered in an instant with the touch of a button or loading of Flash memory on an electronic voting machine or by modification of the centralized results database, and we're concerned that someone may drive around to multiple polling places in person?


This times a billion.
 
2012-10-02 11:39:11 AM  

Aarontology: hetheeme: "Simpson ordered the state not to enforce the photo ID requirement in this year's presidential election but will allow it to go into full effect next year."

Good to know that they can commit fraud just long enough to let Obama win the state one last time.

Nothing wring with the law in general, apparently, just that it would hurt the Obama administration.

You should show us the proof that fraud helped Obama win it last time. or helped any politician in any race win.


Obama didn't need fraud to win in 2008. He won fair and square using the old tactic of "vote for me and I'll be your sugar daddy" that college kids are stupid enough to love.
 
2012-10-02 11:39:16 AM  

Leeds:

// Sorry for all the yelling, I'm pissed that people are being misled by the Democrats BOTH ASSHAT PARTIES


small correction, share the hate where hate is due
 
2012-10-02 11:39:29 AM  

Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?


I liked how you list things that only people with money do. You do have the sense to realize that poverty is a major disadvantage, though. Some of us try to focus on that, but then Republicans complain that poor people own refrigerators and get government cell phones.
 
2012-10-02 11:39:59 AM  

Leeds: THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.



But its inconvenient.  And so are going to the polls.  I mean get out of bed and sometime between 6am and 8pm go somewhere in your neighborhood to vote.  Its unconscionable.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-02 11:40:14 AM  

Giltric: qorkfiend: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

Constitution forbids anyone from having to pay to vote. Make the IDs free and automatically issued for everyone and you might get somewhere.

You can get a free ID because of this law. Link


Really? Can you get one of these free IDs without an ID? If so, how is it guaranteeing anything? And if it isn't guaranteeing anything, isn't it just making voters jump through hoops for no good reason?
 
2012-10-02 11:40:14 AM  
These F*CKING judges. Pretty soon all the congress, preseidents, and judges will be all democrats. I am sure people will find some way to blame conservtives or all our problems. Yea, it is OK to ask people for IDs for alcohol and smokes, but not to vote! nooooooo! I can't wait to vote for Romney. When Obama screws things up even more, I can say, Hey, you voted him in, not me!
 
2012-10-02 11:40:14 AM  

fireclown: The right to vote HOW many times?


If multiple votes are the concern, why aren't Republicans pushing for the same kind of finger-dying they used in Iraq? Certainly some enterprising Republican legislator will find a way to make a personal fortune in dye sales by advancing such litigation.
 
2012-10-02 11:40:16 AM  

Itstoearly: Obama didn't need fraud to win in 2008. He won fair and square using the old tactic of "vote for me and I'll be your sugar daddy" that college kids are stupid enough to love.


Which must be why the GOP is trying to make it as difficult as possible to prevent college kids from voting.

I mean, because they're concerned with the integrity of the system. Yeah, that's it.
 
2012-10-02 11:40:16 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?



Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap
 
2012-10-02 11:40:18 AM  

I_C_Weener: moothemagiccow: I don't know the cost required in rounding up the poor and photographing them, but I'm fine with it.


Sure, they don't want to pay for an ID, and now they are complaining about being "rounded up".  WTF is their problem?


VOTER FRAUD. Turnout's over 300% in Pennsyvlania and it's all for FARTBAMA
 
2012-10-02 11:40:21 AM  

snocone: Theaetetus: Shiat, entire county results can be altered in an instant with the touch of a button or loading of Flash memory on an electronic voting machine or by modification of the centralized results database, and we're concerned that someone may drive around to multiple polling places in person?

It all adds up.
Dead voters
Corruption of results
Community organization
Voter enlistment and transportation to area votes are needed

Different areas have different cons. Both sides play, share the hate.


Community organization is legal, so I'm not sure what you're saying.

But yes, 100 additional votes due to a group of people using identities of dead people is exactly the same as tens of thousands of additional votes due to one person with overnight access to an electronic voting machine. So, both sides are bad, and Sarah Palin is automatically president.
 
2012-10-02 11:40:28 AM  
Can't we just dip our fingers in ink and do away with these shenanigans?
 
2012-10-02 11:40:32 AM  

Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: slykens1: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

Instead of a moronic snarky reply, please explain some scenarios where a competent person can manage to get through four years of life without needing ID, especially considering all the people and places that request ID.

I did it for 6. Wasn't really difficult.

How did you cash a check?


I didn't.

What span of 6 years was it?

18 - 24
 
2012-10-02 11:40:45 AM  

olddinosaur: If you google "illegal immigrant voting" you will find about 8.5 million articles more or less.


That's nothing. You should see what happens when you google "Gagnam Style"
 
2012-10-02 11:41:16 AM  

2wolves: hetheeme: Rwa2play: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

Yes because it's Democrats AND ONLY Democrats that commit voter fraud.

Maybe you should try using Google before you say something this asinine.

Voter fraud help whoever has control of the political machine in the area. If Republicans win due to fraud, then throw those bastards out as well. The machine in PA is solid blue, so allowing fraud there helps Democrats out more than it would Republicans.

On any level, from any party, voter intimidation, voter fraud, and voter disenfranchisement are wrong.

If it means paying a little more from the state for a free version of the state IDs that are already issued, that can be used to make sure that one person, one vote means just that, then so be it.

oh and 2wolves: Bag of Hammers: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

*notsureifserious*

Lubbock TX, you make the call.

You are a bigot.

With regards to TEXANS? Bet your ass I am. But not with Texans. I make that call.


Gotta give you credit, at least you admit your bigotry.
 
2012-10-02 11:41:18 AM  

olddinosaur: There are between 12 and 20 million illegals in the USA, and as near as I can tell, most of them vote.


citation needed
 
2012-10-02 11:41:19 AM  

Aarontology: "Simpson ordered the state not to enforce the photo ID requirement in this year's presidential election but will allow it to go into full effect next year."

Oh, the Republicans are going to be pissed off they're getting what they wanted, but not in time to achieve their disenfranchisement goals.


THIS

in light of the SAC job and voter registration fraud, i'd say as a country we need voting reform from the ground up. that being said, the time to do ANY of that is not 6 months before a presidential election. thats not even thinly veiled voter suppression, its outright blatant.

/IMHO illegal aliens should be allowed to vote
//just by living here, you should have a voice in how you are governed
///would be closer to democracy than what we currently have
 
2012-10-02 11:41:20 AM  

Leeds: Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap


Good talk bro.
 
2012-10-02 11:41:28 AM  

I_C_Weener: Leeds: THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.


But its inconvenient.  And so are going to the polls.  I mean get out of bed and sometime between 6am and 8pm go somewhere in your neighborhood to vote.  Its unconscionable.


I can pay my taxes whenever and wherever. Why do I have to get out of bed to vote? It's retarded.
 
2012-10-02 11:41:54 AM  

Leeds: Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?


Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap


Project much?
 
2012-10-02 11:42:07 AM  

darkedgefan: Yea, it is OK to ask people for IDs for alcohol and smokes, but not to vote! nooooooo!


It's amazing how many morons think this is an actual argument
 
2012-10-02 11:42:17 AM  

moothemagiccow: Giltric: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.

the ID is free the law was passed in June or July.

Leave it to democrats to procrastinate and complain about having to pay for something that is free......

Not charging $20 does not make it free. The DMV has set hours and a set place that conflicts with many people's work schedule and mobility. The polls already have these time and place restrictions. Why do we need more?


How do you get a job without proper ID? How do you cash the check the job gives you without ID?
 
2012-10-02 11:42:24 AM  

Leeds: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.

THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.

From the government page linked just above:
Since the Pennsylvania Voter ID law was enacted in March, PennDOT has been working closely with the Department of State to ensure that every voter has the opportunity to obtain photo identification. If you don't possess photo identification for voting purposes, you will be able to obtain a new Department of State voter identification card for free by visiting a PennDOT Driver License Center.

How can people in this thread still be pretending that the normal $12 for a 4 year drivers license still applies here? That $3 a year fee is not even applicable, as these ID's are FREE.

// Sorry for all the yelling, I'm pissed that people are being misled by the Democrats


I like how you missed the second part of my post: and make sure people have enough time to get one,

They tried to pass this law with less than a few months to get these. What do you think would happened if thousands of old people tried getting a free voter ID in the next 6 weeks?
 
2012-10-02 11:42:24 AM  

Leeds: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.

THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.

From the government page linked just above:
Since the Pennsylvania Voter ID law was enacted in March, PennDOT has been working closely with the Department of State to ensure that every voter has the opportunity to obtain photo identification. If you don't possess photo identification for voting purposes, you will be able to obtain a new Department of State voter identification card for free by visiting a PennDOT Driver License Center.

How can people in this thread still be pretending that the normal $12 for a 4 year drivers license still applies here? That $3 a year fee is not even applicable, as these ID's are FREE.

// Sorry for all the yelling, I'm pissed that people are being misled by the Democrats


Kind of like how there's no purpose to have voter ID laws because voter fraud literally doesn't happen, well except for by the Republicans. But don't let the premise of your argument to have the law in the first place ironically shoot down your stupid post.
 
2012-10-02 11:42:56 AM  

Biff_Steel: Can't we just dip our fingers in ink and do away with these shenanigans?



I would prefer every voter poll have an open bar.  If you vote, you get free drinks the rest of the day.  No one is going to then take the time to go poll to poll and keep voting.  Interferes with drinking time.
 
2012-10-02 11:42:57 AM  

iheartscotch: The actual issue is people that live in two states. New York and Florida for example. It is POSSIBLE that a snow bird could POTENTIALLY vote in both states. I know, I know; it's a bit of a stretch; but that doesn't change the fact that it could happen.

/ I know; I'm worse than hitler


And how does this law stop this? Also, what percent of voting population could that apply to, is it even as high as .01% ?
 
2012-10-02 11:43:03 AM  

Leeds: Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?


Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap


You didn't answer the question.

Should they then lose their ability to vote?
 
2012-10-02 11:43:06 AM  
Well *I* certainly don't know anyone without photo ID, therefore they do not exist.
 
2012-10-02 11:43:18 AM  
if this is such an issue rather than a last minute attempt to steal an election why wasn't it a major issue in 2009-2011 when there was no presidential election right around the corner
 
2012-10-02 11:43:21 AM  

Leeds: Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?


Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap


I'd love to hear your tune if they switched to online voting and your mother didn't have a computer.
 
2012-10-02 11:43:29 AM  

vpb: Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?

Yes, poor people transfer large amounts of money and travel to foreign countries all the time.
I can see that Republican grasp on reality is as loose as ever.


I'm not saying that they do all the time. I'm just giving an example of stuff you need a photo ID for.

Point is this: regardless of what you think of the law (I'm indifferent), people need an ID, and if they don't have one, they're more or less screwed as far as opportunity in our society. Instead of pointing to minorities and the poor and disabled and elderly and saying "take pity upon them, they're just not able to help themselves", let's forget the Voter ID law for a few seconds and put some legislation that does the following:

Makes it illegal to deny a worker time off to go get a state-issued photo ID
Makes it free for anyone to get an ID if they so choose
Lets those who may not know how to get an ID or unable to get one in the current system get one in a process they can use and understand

And for the last freakin' time, I'm not a Republican supporter any more. Johnson will probably get my vote come November... which is a freaking disappointing election to get your first chance to vote for a president in.
 
2012-10-02 11:43:30 AM  

I_C_Weener: But its inconvenient. And so are going to the polls. I mean get out of bed and sometime between 6am and 8pm go somewhere in your neighborhood to vote. Its unconscionable.


Can you get a voter ID at the same location at the same hours? No? You have to go across town and wait in a 6 hour line for a window that's only open for two hours on a Thursday, and if you're not in the front of the line, you have to come back the next week? You mean that one thing may be convenient and the other may not? Heavens!
 
2012-10-02 11:43:30 AM  
I'm totally fine with having to present photo ID at a voting booth, so this law seems like a good idea. However, is the fact that they tried to pass it weeks before the election the reason that everyone is pissed off about it?

/Republican, non tea party
//still on the voting fence
///I know, even thinking of voting for Romney makes me the antiChrist, blah blah
////If only Hunstman had won the nomination..
 
2012-10-02 11:43:38 AM  

hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.


Given all the voter fraud the GOP gets away with constantly, it's been legal for a while. They won their two most recent presidential elections through it.
QQ more because you can't disenfranchise voters for your beloved nazi party.
 
2012-10-02 11:43:47 AM  

Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving (this applies to urban poor)
Purchasing a firearm (only if you buy it from a gun shop or bought it in the last decade or so)
Carrying a firearm (only if you bother to get a concealed carry permit)
Cashing a check (no idea how check cashing stores work, but an ID that works there might not work at the polls)
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college
Getting a passport

Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol

Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it) - irrelevant for PA
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on


With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID?


They're called poor people. I've taken the liberty of striking out the activities that poor people don't do, and bolding the ones where you're just plain wrong, along with a few notes here and there.
 
2012-10-02 11:43:50 AM  

Giltric: How do you get a job without proper ID? How do you cash the check the job gives you without ID?


The answer to both: Under the table jobs that pay straight cash.

They're pretty common.
 
2012-10-02 11:44:01 AM  
This news makes my dick hard.
 
2012-10-02 11:44:02 AM  

someonelse: iheartscotch: The actual issue is people that live in two states. New York and Florida for example. It is POSSIBLE that a snow bird could POTENTIALLY vote in both states. I know, I know; it's a bit of a stretch; but that doesn't change the fact that it could happen.

Voter ID laws don't fix that.


Never said they did; I feel that each state should compare voter rolls and actually investigate duplicates.

As to the voter id issue; you are now required to show an employer your social security card and your id. You are required to show your social security card if you rent a house. You are required to produce your id if you are pulled over. You are required to produce your id if you expect to pay instate tuition at a college.

A lot of important things require Ids; I understand it is possible to loose your Id; I understand it is hard to replace a lost id. I feel that the most important right as an American citizen should be protected from fraud as much as possible. Would you be in favor of blood scans to prove identity as aposed to a physical Id?
 
2012-10-02 11:44:12 AM  

hetheeme: 2wolves: hetheeme: Rwa2play: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

Yes because it's Democrats AND ONLY Democrats that commit voter fraud.

Maybe you should try using Google before you say something this asinine.

Voter fraud help whoever has control of the political machine in the area. If Republicans win due to fraud, then throw those bastards out as well. The machine in PA is solid blue, so allowing fraud there helps Democrats out more than it would Republicans.

On any level, from any party, voter intimidation, voter fraud, and voter disenfranchisement are wrong.

If it means paying a little more from the state for a free version of the state IDs that are already issued, that can be used to make sure that one person, one vote means just that, then so be it.

oh and 2wolves: Bag of Hammers: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

*notsureifserious*

Lubbock TX, you make the call.

You are a bigot.

With regards to TEXANS? Bet your ass I am. But not with Texans. I make that call.

Gotta give you credit, at least you admit your bigotry.


When most of them support that goofball Rick Perry and rewriting science books, can you blame him?
 
2012-10-02 11:44:18 AM  

moothemagiccow: I_C_Weener: Leeds: THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.


But its inconvenient.  And so are going to the polls.  I mean get out of bed and sometime between 6am and 8pm go somewhere in your neighborhood to vote.  Its unconscionable.

I can pay my taxes whenever and wherever. Why do I have to get out of bed to vote? It's retarded.



If you don't vote, the IRS won't come after you. 
 
If American Idol required voter ID, there'd be a revolution!!!
 
2012-10-02 11:44:22 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Phweew. For a minute there I thought I was going to have to show ID to vote...

.....after I verify my address then sign my name and have it authorized by two present voting officials.

I think I'll vote ALL THE TIMES


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2012-10-02 11:44:26 AM  

WTFDYW: bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?

It doesn't prohibit you from having one. They cost money to obtain. I've heard they cost around $30.00 in this part of Ohio.


Also, they need to take time of their day to get one even if it is for free which could mean the difference between eating that day or voting.

Also with the provisional ballot BS they now have to take even more time off to prove thier voter status.
 
2012-10-02 11:44:31 AM  
Widespread voter fraud has never existed. It's is a myth, a boogieman that the right wing invented to scare White People into thinking the n!gg3rs and sp!cs are going to steal the election and put Amurca-haters in charge. What has been a problem in the past for BOTH parties is election fraud. This has nothing to do with voters and they don't even know it happens. This is how George W. Bush won an Ohio district in 2004, when it was 90% Democrat and 65% Black and how he won Duvall County Florida in 2000, where some 39,000 uncounted ballots from Democratic precincts were found in a closet some months after the election. It's the same way John F. Kennedy won Texas in 1960. In the later case, LBJ was dispatched to texas with suitcases (literally) full of cash, to buy votes and pay off the right people.
 
2012-10-02 11:45:24 AM  

Marine1: FlashHarry: Marine1: With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID?

old people and poor people who are still americans with a constitutionally guaranteed right to vote.

Dude, if you don't have an ID, you're off the farking grid these days. I mean, no ID? None? Whatsoever?


So, if you are off the grid, you shouldn't be allowed to vote?

All the CSB's about how "I don't know anyone without an ID" does not mean there are people who don't have one. I'd also like to know if the CSB people ask everyone they know for an ID when they interact with them.

As someone from Minnesota, and who watched almost every minute of the Franken/Coleman re-count, I can actually say "CSB, the chance of voter fraud is so small that it makes Voter ID laws not only frivolous, but uses taxpayer money for absolutely no reason."
 
2012-10-02 11:45:25 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?

And we're now trusting polling place workers with inspecting IDs? With no training whatsoever?

All to fix a problem that does not exist in any significant way.


I'm a polling place worker. I am awesome.

I agree- this is solution in need of a problem, absolutely. But I'm pointing out that there IS a legal and constitutional way to do this, if we decide it has to be done.
 
2012-10-02 11:45:57 AM  

Disposable Rob: Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?

I liked how you list things that only people with money do. You do have the sense to realize that poverty is a major disadvantage, though. Some of us try to focus on that, but then Republicans complain that poor people own refrigerators and get government cell phones.


Yes, because poor people don't live in apartments, don't purchase any tobacco or cigarettes, don't cash paychecks, and don't drive.

That's shiat you do no matter what your income level.
 
2012-10-02 11:45:59 AM  

what_now: Leeds: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.

THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.

From the government page linked just above:
Since the Pennsylvania Voter ID law was enacted in March, PennDOT has been working closely with the Department of State to ensure that every voter has the opportunity to obtain photo identification. If you don't possess photo identification for voting purposes, you will be able to obtain a new Department of State voter identification card for free by visiting a PennDOT Driver License Center.

How can people in this thread still be pretending that the normal $12 for a 4 year drivers license still applies here? That $3 a year fee is not even applicable, as these ID's are FREE.

// Sorry for all the yelling, I'm pissed that people are being misled by the Democrats

I like how you missed the second part of my post: and make sure people have enough time to get one,

They tried to pass this law with less than a few months to get these. What do you think would happened if thousands of old people tried getting a free voter ID in the next 6 weeks?


Did you skip over my entire post, or just the part that said that these ID's have been free since March? As in, 7 months ago they became free.

Do these "disenfranchised legal voters" you seem to believe in wait 7 months before buying toilet paper when they run out? And TP costs money, unlike voter ID's...
 
2012-10-02 11:46:08 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Leeds: Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?


Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap

You didn't answer the question.

Should they then lose their ability to vote?


Then they have to pass the "Well, who are you planning to vote for?" test. There's only one correct response and if they fail the test, they don't get to vote.
 
2012-10-02 11:46:12 AM  
Marine1: "I mean, no ID? None? Whatsoever?"

That's just the thing. The law requires a subset of IDs. Keep in mind the legalese.
You can do pretty much all of the things in your list of "shiat you need an ID for" without a current, in-state, updated-address, contains-a-picture ID*.

There is no voter impersonation fraud *problem*. People keep looking for it, but it just doesn't exist.
This shiat is strictly about disenfranchisement of populations likely to vote democratic in swing states and that's trivial to see when you look at the facts.
 
2012-10-02 11:46:32 AM  

iheartscotch: As to the voter id issue; you are now required to show an employer your social security card and your id. You are required to show your social security card if you rent a house


You are, however, prohibited from using your social security card as a form of ID when you vote as it is not a picture ID
 
2012-10-02 11:46:34 AM  
fta: Election workers will still be allowed to ask voters for a valid photo ID, but people without it can vote on a regular voting machine in the polling place and would not have to cast a provisional ballot or prove their identity to election officials after the election.

In other words, photo ID makes absolutely no difference in anything at all, but the people managing polling places can still request it to intimidate the uninformed. Great.
 
2012-10-02 11:46:35 AM  

bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?


It costs money to get an ID, and it takes time smack in the middle of your workday to go to the DMV, time you aren't able to take off without losing any more money.
 
2012-10-02 11:46:48 AM  

farkyinzer: I remember the first time I voted... couldn't believe I didn't have to show ID.


I bet you did, though, when you registered to vote.

That's how it works here in NC. When you register, you have to show ID that proves you live there. After that, you just show up to vote at your precinct, state your name and address, get the form and go vote. The poll worker checks your name off the list and that's that. If you change address, or name, you have to go re-register, and show your new ID indicating the changed address or name. 

/don't see a need for anything else
 
2012-10-02 11:46:52 AM  

MonkeyAngst: Numerous people, in interviews, articles, blog posts, and here in this very thread, have pointed out what is wrong with the law in general. It is that it requires a state-issued ID, which is not free, which means that a fee must be paid in order to vote, which is specifically outlawed by the Constitution.


And yet, numerous states require photo ID to vote.
 
2012-10-02 11:46:53 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: There goes Romney's last chance at winning Pennsylvania. If they can't keep the poor, elderly, and college students from voting three or four times, he's done.

Hard to feel bad about this.



FTFY
 
2012-10-02 11:47:08 AM  

TheManofPA: The right to vote HOW many times?

That's the issue though. There just isn't much evidence that this actually happens and who it helps. Why it gets overturned is you cannot make sure thousands of people cannot vote because someone MIGHT break the system. Most actual election fraud that has been discovered this cycle is at a higher level than the individual voter (with both parties being guilty). I'm sure we'll find 3 total people on election day who break the rules and say that DEFINITELY means we should make it so that people have to pay for their rights.



Considering the GED lawyering that goes on after a presidential election, I'd say that it's a worthy cause. I can pretty much guarentee that if there is the rumor of the ghost of a chance that a busload of republicans voted in three different counties, there would be hell to pay. I work as a voter check in judge, and one of the things that voter ID would do the most to prevent.
 
2012-10-02 11:47:16 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Leeds: Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?


Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap

You didn't answer the question.

Should they then lose their ability to vote?



I take it the term "provisional ballot" is one you've not come across before. Please feel free to look it up.
 
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2012-10-02 11:47:16 AM  

Leeds: Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?


Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap


Who cares what the Constitution says? Not Republicans apparently.
 
2012-10-02 11:47:18 AM  

Theaetetus: olddinosaur: If you google "illegal immigrant voting" you will find about 8.5 million articles more or less.

There are between 12 and 20 million illegals in the USA, and as near as I can tell, most of them vote.

... because every illegal immigrant who votes puts an article online about it?


I'm still trying to figure this one out. Do people think that illegals can't get an ID? What evidence would you use to prove that you're not illegal, and is THAT free?

/Thinks we should pass a law requiring a passport, just to hear Republicans scream.
 
2012-10-02 11:47:33 AM  

Leeds: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.

THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.

From the government page linked just above:
Since the Pennsylvania Voter ID law was enacted in March, PennDOT has been working closely with the Department of State to ensure that every voter has the opportunity to obtain photo identification. If you don't possess photo identification for voting purposes, you will be able to obtain a new Department of State voter identification card for free by visiting a PennDOT Driver License Center.

How can people in this thread still be pretending that the normal $12 for a 4 year drivers license still applies here? That $3 a year fee is not even applicable, as these ID's are FREE.

// Sorry for all the yelling, I'm pissed that people are being misled by the Democrats


thats all well and good, but dude...not nearly enough time has been allowed to actually inform the public (particularly those who need this).
 
2012-10-02 11:47:41 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Phweew. For a minute there I thought I was going to have to show ID to vote...

.....after I verify my address then sign my name and have it authorized by two present voting officials.

I think I'll vote ALL THE TIMES


Equal timez

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2012-10-02 11:48:11 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: slykens1: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

Instead of a moronic snarky reply, please explain some scenarios where a competent person can manage to get through four years of life without needing ID, especially considering all the people and places that request ID.

I did it for 6. Wasn't really difficult.

How did you cash a check?

I didn't.

What span of 6 years was it?

18 - 24


Crap. Here is a CSB and reality.
Bought a new phone yesterday at ITT store. Galaxy S III. Sweet.
They don't take checks.
Their credit card processor does not take debit cards.
OK, good ol'e Benjamins.
They don't keep change.

ID or no ID, you have to carry three forms of payment just to get by.
/ad we are all up in the twisties becaue of ID?
 
2012-10-02 11:48:31 AM  
I can accept the argument at face value stating that requiring someone obtain a photo ID is to great of an encumbrance on the poor for a constitutionally guaranteed right. That this presents to great of a challenge for the poor to overcome.

However, that argument quickly falls down in comparison to how other constitutionally guaranteed rights are treated. The right to bear arms is supposedly guaranteed via Amendment 2. However, it is apparently not too great of an encumbrance to requires $431.50 in application and fingerprinting fees in New York.

So a few dollars investment for obtaining a photo ID is too great of a financial burden for one constitutionally protected right, while on the other hand it is perfectly reasonable to have people fork over hundreds of dollars for another?

"Constitutionally protected rights" should either be able to incur an encumbrance to exercise, or they shouldn't. But too many people think double standards are perfectly acceptable.

/pick one or the other
 
2012-10-02 11:48:38 AM  

Jackson Herring: Well *I* certainly don't know anyone without photo ID, therefore they do not exist.


You know me. There was a period in my life when I didn't have a valid ID. My license was expired for 6 months before I got a "Non Driver ID" and that was only because I wanted to buy booze.
 
2012-10-02 11:48:42 AM  
History of voter fraud: almost nonexistent.
History of voter disenfranchisement: rich, detailed and plentiful.

/White power: trying to cure to problem of the poor and minorities voting since Jim Crow.
 
2012-10-02 11:48:46 AM  
How can you honestly, in good faith support these voter ID laws. The republicans have all but come out and explicitly stated this is to disenfranchise those who would vote against them.
 
2012-10-02 11:48:49 AM  
PROTIP: Next time try not to crow about how the law is there to get your guy elected.
Oh and try to stop acting like greedy noncaring douchebags too..Just a thought.
Florida your next
 
2012-10-02 11:48:53 AM  

I_C_Weener: Biff_Steel: Can't we just dip our fingers in ink and do away with these shenanigans?


I would prefer every voter poll have an open bar.  If you vote, you get free drinks the rest of the day.  No one is going to then take the time to go poll to poll and keep voting.  Interferes with drinking time.


And in other news, turnout is at a record 96%! Experts credit the state's new "open poll, open bar" policy.
 
2012-10-02 11:48:55 AM  

Theaetetus: I_C_Weener: But its inconvenient. And so are going to the polls. I mean get out of bed and sometime between 6am and 8pm go somewhere in your neighborhood to vote. Its unconscionable.

Can you get a voter ID at the same location at the same hours? No? You have to go across town and wait in a 6 hour line for a window that's only open for two hours on a Thursday, and if you're not in the front of the line, you have to come back the next week? You mean that one thing may be convenient and the other may not? Heavens!



Sounds like you guys need to think ahead.  Lots of BMVs.  Do you see long lines for driver's licenses that require a 6 hour line?  Do it there...same neighborhood, theoretically. 
 
People who complain about getting a free ID, aren't invested enough in the process.  Not a poll tax.  Just an ID.  A free one.  Make it avaliable.   People cry fraud all the time.  Eliminate the small amount of fraud and the large cry by doing something simple that most people manage without even thinking about it. 
 
Getting an ID is not the travail everyone claims it is.
 
2012-10-02 11:48:55 AM  

Leeds: HotWingConspiracy: Leeds: Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?


Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap

You didn't answer the question.

Should they then lose their ability to vote?


I take it the term "provisional ballot" is one you've not come across before. Please feel free to look it up.


Whoa buddy, why should they even get a ballot if they can't show ID, amirite?
 
2012-10-02 11:48:58 AM  

Leeds: HotWingConspiracy: Leeds: Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?


Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap

You didn't answer the question.

Should they then lose their ability to vote?


I take it the term "provisional ballot" is one you've not come across before. Please feel free to look it up.


Evasion noted.
 
2012-10-02 11:49:24 AM  
Almost 250 posts into this thread, and there hasn't been a single thing posted demonstrating voter fraud that would have been prevented by requiring someone to present an ID at the polls.
 
2012-10-02 11:49:31 AM  

OhLuverly: Haven't been following this much so if someone would please clear this up, how is requiring a state issued ID to vote a barrier to poor folks voting?


The IDs required are not free; hence, it's a poll tax.
 
2012-10-02 11:49:42 AM  

Marine1: Disposable Rob: Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?

I liked how you list things that only people with money do. You do have the sense to realize that poverty is a major disadvantage, though. Some of us try to focus on that, but then Republicans complain that poor people own refrigerators and get government cell phones.

Yes, because poor people don't live in apartments, don't purchase any tobacco or cigarettes, don't cash paychecks, and don't drive.

That's shiat you do no matter what your income level.


An ID isn't required to buy alcohol or cigarettes, which was already told to you. Occasionally you have to prove your age, but that's just the discretion of the shop owner.

You're reaching, and simultaneously pretending like you aren't bias. Just go the fark away moron. You've been shot down so many times in here you should be embarrassed for yourself.
 
2012-10-02 11:49:53 AM  

what_now: I'm a polling place worker. I am awesome.


I know you are, and I remember you saying how most of your polling place coworkers are on the elderly side of life, which is consistent with every voting experience I've had.

We're supposed to trust them with properly checking IDs with no training whatsoever?

All to fix a problem that does not exist in any significant way.
 
2012-10-02 11:50:02 AM  
Leeds:

So you approve of fixing a problem that doesn't exist and growing government in the process.

Please tell me your degree is in Liberal Arts.
 
2012-10-02 11:50:11 AM  

someonelse: olddinosaur: There are between 12 and 20 million illegals in the USA, and as near as I can tell, most of them vote.

citation needed


Go to google and key in "illegal immigrant voting," and you will find about 8.5 million of these citation thingies you love so well.

RTFP, doofus.
 
2012-10-02 11:50:16 AM  

Theaetetus: bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?

It means you have to schedule time off from work to travel to and wait around at whatever office or registry is issuing those IDs, and while that may certainly be possible, the closer to a minimum wage job you have, the stricter the supervisor tends to be about schedules. So, maybe it takes a month or two to schedule that time off. No problem... you'll get your ID in December.
... too late.

That's why it's unreasonable to push through a new voter ID requirement a month before a national election, while it's perfectly reasonable for the judge to say "fine, this law takes effect starting next year. People will have almost two years before the next national election to get their ID, rather than four weeks."

The only people who could possibly have a problem with this are those who were explicitly relying on this to unfairly affect the outcome of this election. In other words, complaining about it means that you're in favor of disenfranchising people.


That is a very fair argument, and I have no problem with that.

Disposable Rob: State IDs usually cost money which violates the 24th amendment forbidding poll taxes. Interestingly enough, adjusting for inflation, poll taxes were only about $18 in today's dollars. So there was a time that even Republicans were concerned enough about the poor having to shell out $18 in order to vote that it became an amendemnt.


Okay, so the argument is an indirect cost from a public entity violates the 24th amendment. I have to take a public bus to the polling place, thus I have to pay money to vote. Poll tax. I have a car and I have to have gas to get to the polling place. That gas has state and federal taxes. Poll tax. I have a car and I have to take a public toll road to get to the polling place. Poll tax.

I understand the argument, but I don't really agree with it because it's too broad. And it's not like PA has exorbitant fees on IDs. $13.50 without considering any low income/elderly relief, which I'm sure exists(for example, in California, seniors get IDs free and those on public support have a 75% reduced fee). I guess realistically it's not going to be a huge problem as sooner or later we're getting RFID chips implanted at birth.
 
2012-10-02 11:50:23 AM  

Aarontology: Giltric: How do you get a job without proper ID? How do you cash the check the job gives you without ID?

The answer to both: Under the table jobs that pay straight cash.

They're pretty common.


Tax cheats?
 
2012-10-02 11:50:37 AM  

olddinosaur: There are between 12 and 20 million illegals in the USA, and as near as I can tell, most of them vote.


Your ability to somehow tell who are illegals and which ones of those vote is impressive. You do dead people too?
 
2012-10-02 11:50:40 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Marine1: Opening a line of credit

You forgot buying stocks and bonds.
And booking that yacht on the French Riveria.


He also forgot buying sudafed or an M rated video game at Target. You also need one to sell items to a pawn shop, and usually have to present it if trying to ride public transit (if elderly or disabled) in order to get a reduced fare.
 
2012-10-02 11:51:09 AM  
nice troll subs
 
2012-10-02 11:51:37 AM  

hetheeme: "Simpson ordered the state not to enforce the photo ID requirement in this year's presidential election but will allow it to go into full effect next year."

Good to know that they can commit fraud just long enough to let Obama win the state one last time.

Nothing wring with the law in general, apparently, just that it would hurt the Obama administration.


There is nothing wrong with the law once it is properly implemented and there is time to ensure that every eligible voter has a reasonable opportunity to get an ID card at negligible cost.
I would advocate laws that voting eligibility, requirements, procedures, etc only come into effect for the next election cycle, so laws signed now come into effect for the 2014 mid-term election, whereas laws signed on November 8, 2012 (after the current election) come into effect for the 2016 general election. In addition, if the law is under legal challenge (though the 2-4 year period should allow most to be cleared up) within 6 months of an election are not put into effect for that election. Of course you need rules about when a law can be challenged and such to prevent gaming the system (say, if the legal challenge is not initially made within 3 months of the law being signed or and subsequent court decision that brings rise to the challenge).

AntiNerd: Of course people without what the local official considers "valid ID" will still have to cast a provisional ballot


FTA: Election workers will still be allowed to ask voters for a valid photo ID, but people without it can vote on a regular voting machine in the polling place and would not have to cast a provisional ballot or prove their identity to election officials after the election.

Not according to the article. However, an issue may be poll workers and voters not knowing the actual law on November 7, but each party should have observers to make sure it is properly enforced..
 
2012-10-02 11:51:37 AM  

what_now: Jackson Herring: Well *I* certainly don't know anyone without photo ID, therefore they do not exist.

You know me. There was a period in my life when I didn't have a valid ID. My license was expired for 6 months before I got a "Non Driver ID" and that was only because I wanted to buy booze.


That was the joke you see.
 
2012-10-02 11:51:41 AM  

Great_Milenko: Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving (this applies to urban poor)
Purchasing a firearm (only if you buy it from a gun shop or bought it in the last decade or so)
Carrying a firearm (only if you bother to get a concealed carry permit)
Cashing a check (no idea how check cashing stores work, but an ID that works there might not work at the polls)
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it) - irrelevant for PA
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID?

They're called poor people. I've taken the liberty of striking out the activities that poor people don't do, and bolding the ones where you're just plain wrong, along with a few notes here and there.


You know, I live in central Missouri, where it's more or less Columbia and a ton of small towns filled with working-class or lower populations. I grew up in a major metropolitan area with plenty of disadvantaged people. I worked at a bank as a teller as a high school job. I know people, I know their financial habits, probably better than you do. I know you don't like facts, but don't try to can poor people as a bunch of people who do nothing but work and then go off to live in some strange land that they don't rent or own to not drink any alcohol or consume any tobacco.
 
2012-10-02 11:51:42 AM  

snocone: HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: slykens1: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

Instead of a moronic snarky reply, please explain some scenarios where a competent person can manage to get through four years of life without needing ID, especially considering all the people and places that request ID.

I did it for 6. Wasn't really difficult.

How did you cash a check?

I didn't.

What span of 6 years was it?

18 - 24

Crap. Here is a CSB and reality.
Bought a new phone yesterday at ITT store. Galaxy S III. Sweet.
They don't take checks.
Their credit card processor does not take debit cards.
OK, good ol'e Benjamins.
They don't keep change.

ID or no ID, you have to carry three forms of payment just to get by.
/ad we are all up in the twisties becaue of ID?


No, it sound like you need 3 forms of payment to buy a new phone from that specific vendor.

Owning an S3 isn't "just getting by".
 
2012-10-02 11:51:53 AM  

Marine1: Yes, because poor people don't live in apartments, don't purchase any tobacco or cigarettes, don't cash paychecks, and don't drive.

That's shiat you do no matter what your income level.


You don't necessarily need ID to rent an apartment, purchase tobacco, you can deposit checks without ID, and lots of inner city people never drive.

Again: your strained incredulity aside, the fact is there are a half a million people without the required picture ID in Philly alone.

I expect you've never seen an elephant in the wild either. Does that mean they don't exist?
 
2012-10-02 11:51:56 AM  

ringersol: Marine1: "I mean, no ID? None? Whatsoever?"

That's just the thing. The law requires a subset of IDs. Keep in mind the legalese.


Good point. Not sure if it was PA or somewhere else, but a college issued student ID was not valid, while a freakin' NRA membership card was.
 
2012-10-02 11:52:07 AM  
In practice, actual voter fraud (which is not the same thing as voter registration fraud) is extremely rare. And when it does occur, the typical causes are things like felons voting when they shouldn't, which wouldn't be stopped by voter ID laws.

So just like the "top state Republican lawmaker" in TFA alludes to, the purpose of voter ID laws is not to stop voting fraud.
 
2012-10-02 11:52:09 AM  

DeusMeh: Leeds: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.

THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.

From the government page linked just above:
Since the Pennsylvania Voter ID law was enacted in March, PennDOT has been working closely with the Department of State to ensure that every voter has the opportunity to obtain photo identification. If you don't possess photo identification for voting purposes, you will be able to obtain a new Department of State voter identification card for free by visiting a PennDOT Driver License Center.

How can people in this thread still be pretending that the normal $12 for a 4 year drivers license still applies here? That $3 a year fee is not even applicable, as these ID's are FREE.

// Sorry for all the yelling, I'm pissed that people are being misled by the Democrats

thats all well and good, but dude...not nearly enough time has been allowed to actually inform the public (particularly those who need this).


I hear your argument, but how much time would be appropriate? It's already been 7 months since the ID's became free and it's on the news every single night. If someone literally has no id and they wait close to 250 days before accepting a free ID, who is to blame? I reject the notion that such a person exists.
 
2012-10-02 11:52:17 AM  

olddinosaur: someonelse: olddinosaur: There are between 12 and 20 million illegals in the USA, and as near as I can tell, most of them vote.

citation needed

Go to google and key in "illegal immigrant voting," and you will find about 8.5 million of these citation thingies you love so well.

RTFP, doofus.


A google search for "olddinosaur ate my pudding" brings up over a million results.

Clearly, this is proof you ate my pudding.
 
2012-10-02 11:52:21 AM  
Not sure how it is elsewhere, but in MI we have to vote at our registered prescinct, give our name which they check off the list, and starting at the last election show an ID. (Not sure if picture was manditory but I used my DL) Even if they just use the registration list, you say your name and you get checked off, no fraud. How hard is it to have a list? Forcing a picture ID 1 month before elections was sucky too, lawmakers.

/let the people vote, get these idiots out of office. Citizens need to plan ahead for next year. Control your govenment.
 
2012-10-02 11:52:24 AM  

Giltric: Aarontology: Giltric: How do you get a job without proper ID? How do you cash the check the job gives you without ID?

The answer to both: Under the table jobs that pay straight cash.

They're pretty common.

Tax cheats?


Off shore accounts?
 
2012-10-02 11:52:26 AM  

vpb: Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?

Yes, poor people transfer large amounts of money and travel to foreign countries all the time.
I can see that Republican grasp on reality is as loose as ever.


Poor cash checks, buy booze or cigarettes, live places, or have bank accounts. I am not rich, not by a mile, but i have an id. You need one in today's world.

/poor and have an id since i turned 18
 
2012-10-02 11:52:30 AM  

snocone: HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: slykens1: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

Instead of a moronic snarky reply, please explain some scenarios where a competent person can manage to get through four years of life without needing ID, especially considering all the people and places that request ID.

I did it for 6. Wasn't really difficult.

How did you cash a check?

I didn't.

What span of 6 years was it?

18 - 24

Crap. Here is a CSB and reality.
Bought a new phone yesterday at ITT store. Galaxy S III. Sweet.
They don't take checks.
Their credit card processor does not take debit cards.
OK, good ol'e Benjamins.
They don't keep change.

ID or no ID, you have to carry three forms of payment just to get by.
/ad we are all up in the twisties becaue of ID?


How do you get a credit or debit card without ID?
 
2012-10-02 11:52:31 AM  

Aarontology: Almost 250 posts into this thread, and there hasn't been a single thing posted demonstrating voter fraud that would have been prevented by requiring someone to present an ID at the polls.


You shouldn't be surprised.
 
2012-10-02 11:52:31 AM