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2012-10-02 01:55:14 PM

I_C_Weener: tallguywithglasseson: There goes Romney's last chance at winning Pennsylvania. If they can't keep the poor, elderly, and college students from voting, he's done.

Hard to feel bad about this.


I don't know any poor, elderly or college students who don't have ID.  Is that a problem in Pennsylvania?


Neither of my grandmothers had a drivers license. One never learned to drive and the other had stopped driving due to age and just let it expire. Neither traveled so they just didn't need one. I also knew many college students when I was in school who didn't drive, didn't care about drinking (or just had older friends buy it for them anyway) and so didn't have drivers licenses. They had a college ID, may have had state ID cards, I don't know. But it's not out of the realm of possibility for someone to not have a state-issued ID card.
 
2012-10-02 01:55:24 PM

PsiChick: bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?

Because if you're working a dead-end job and the DMV is only open from nine to five, you can't take time off work to renew your ID. And if you've been in that situation for a long time, you probably don't have a car or an up-to-date ID, because almost anyone will take an expired ID. This problem is multiplied exponentially if you have a child or some other responsibility.


All these excuses you guys keep giving - it's not like real people have economic difficulties or family issues.

(Checks GOP narrative)

Oh, right, they're just lazy.

They should hand out free bootstraps instead of IDs, amirite there 47%?
 
2012-10-02 01:55:59 PM

jabelar: I really wonder what they would do if you showed up and they already had your name crossed off the list as having voted -- I mean they couldn't really let you "vote again" but it wouldn't be right to deny your vote (especially if you could produce ID to prove who you were).


The fact that you or I have never heard of this happening before is pretty telling that the whole voter fraud thing is just a hoax to disenfranchise Democratic voters to begin with.

Anyone here get to the polls and their name was already scratched out?
 
2012-10-02 01:57:00 PM

I_C_Weener: I don't know any poor, elderly or college students who don't have ID. Is that a problem in Pennsylvania?


But do they have ID that will work for the purposes of this law?

"Sorry, that out-of-state driver's license isn't a legitimate ID. Neither is your student ID. Oh, and don't try to vote absentee in your home town either, because you've listed your legal residence as being here."
 
2012-10-02 01:57:51 PM

lordjupiter:

"In the era of the "factpinion", people can just make up anything they want and attach legitimacy to it, until it is 100% disproven (and even then, they may dispute it)."

~Quote attributed to Abraham Lincoln, July 23rd 1890
 
2012-10-02 01:58:04 PM

mrshowrules: jabelar: I really wonder what they would do if you showed up and they already had your name crossed off the list as having voted -- I mean they couldn't really let you "vote again" but it wouldn't be right to deny your vote (especially if you could produce ID to prove who you were).

The fact that you or I have never heard of this happening before is pretty telling that the whole voter fraud thing is just a hoax to disenfranchise Democratic voters to begin with.

Anyone here get to the polls and their name was already scratched out?


Nope. My democratic-stronghold district means that a fraction of registered voters vote: I get there at 5 pm and most names aren't scratched off. So, this only shows that Democrats are lazy, right GOPers?
 
2012-10-02 01:58:08 PM

coeyagi: dabbletech: My uncle in Philly was a staunch conservative and voted a straight-line Republican ticket until the day he died.

Now, he votes Democrat.

I fail to see how giving a corpse a voter ID card would have prevented that.


www.koshervitamins.com

You sound a little tight-ish today.
 
2012-10-02 01:59:59 PM
As much as I hate the "both sides are intellectually inconsistent idiots", it really does apply here.

Making me prove my identity violates my constitutional rights!

Liberal - you're talking about voter ID.
Conservative - you're talking about buying guns.

Same standard has to apply to both.
 
2012-10-02 02:00:04 PM

dabbletech: coeyagi: dabbletech: My uncle in Philly was a staunch conservative and voted a straight-line Republican ticket until the day he died.

Now, he votes Democrat.

I fail to see how giving a corpse a voter ID card would have prevented that.

[www.koshervitamins.com image 202x250]

You sound a little tight-ish today.


Nope, I've seen the same crap from avowed trolls, so it was acceptable to give a lukewarm response.
 
2012-10-02 02:01:02 PM

Ehcks: If this law were to pass in MO I would go from four eligible ID cards and a number of other eligible ID forms to zero.

I would then be required to purchase a new ID just for voting. The PA card costs $13.50. I'm so broke I can't even afford that right now. Screw you Republicans.



You get 0 out of 10 for your troll attempt.

$0 != $13.50, dumbass
 
2012-10-02 02:03:01 PM

cchris_39: As much as I hate the "both sides are intellectually inconsistent idiots", it really does apply here.

Making me prove my identity violates my constitutional rights!

Liberal - you're talking about voter ID.
Conservative - you're talking about buying guns.

Same standard has to apply to both.


No, there can be reasonable regulations applied to either in case of need. For instance:

30K people killed due to firearms. Wouldn't it be reasonable to have some ID regulations there to attempt to diminish the deaths (it may not work for various complicated reasons, but it's a reasonable thing to implement based on need.)

0.00004% of votes from 2003-2007 were fraudulent, much less than the closest margin of victory. Where is the need for regulation?
 
2012-10-02 02:03:33 PM

goalie_piggy: The troll is strong...


Nah, his troll-fu is mediocre. Political trolling comes with outrage pre-installed.
 
2012-10-02 02:03:37 PM
"[Victim], if you follow the instructions, then you can take this notice lightly. If you don't, then expect at least one person dead in the next one year," one letter stated. "It could either be [first names of close relatives], or any other close relative."

i1.ytimg.com

What do I have to do? Put a gun in your hand, aim and pull your finger down you spineless wimp! I dare you to kill her!
 
2012-10-02 02:03:39 PM

super_grass: "Simpson ordered the state not to enforce the photo ID requirement in this year's presidential election but will allow it to go into full effect next year."

"The constitutionality of the law was not a question before Simpson."

You'll have a year or so to get an ID, get on it.



Having a year to pay the state for the right to vote doesn't make it constitutional.
Poll taxes are bad, mmkay.
 
2012-10-02 02:04:14 PM

2wolves: Leeds: was the legislators' method of beginning to track this data.

No. Just plain, no. It was intended to deliver the Electoral College votes to Mr. Romney. The exact quote is stark and leaves no room for spin.


So someone points out that if we ban illegals from voting, Romney will win & you take that quote and spin it to pretend that illegals should be allowed to vote and he's somehow a meenie for pointing out that illegals vote Democrat?

Seriously?
 
2012-10-02 02:04:14 PM
I would simply like to add that, as an IL resident, if a photo ID law was in place, I and I was pulled over for speeding on the way to my polling place, then I could no longer vote because the cops here take your license away from you when you're pulled over. Although they do require photo ID's in certain circumstances.

/no, I don't have a bond card
//no, I don't want to purchase a separate ID card on the off chance a policeman will take away my identification in the hopes I pay my $50 ticket.
///there are many reasons somone may not have an ID when they need to vote
 
2012-10-02 02:04:22 PM

EngineerBoy: "[Victim], if you follow the instructions, then you can take this notice lightly. If you don't, then expect at least one person dead in the next one year," one letter stated. "It could either be [first names of close relatives], or any other close relative."

[i1.ytimg.com image 320x180]

What do I have to do? Put a gun in your hand, aim and pull your finger down you spineless wimp! I dare you to kill her!


Oops, wrong thread, carry on...
 
2012-10-02 02:04:32 PM
I'm just curious: for those who oppose voter ID laws, is there *any* combination of free IDs, extended hours, etc. -- any combination at all you can think of -- that would be sufficiently lax that its "not as bad" as just leaving the polls open for anyone who says they're legally allowed to vote? Or do you see any form of ID verification, no matter how unobtrusive, to be wrong as a matter of principle?

/doesn't have to be a practical suggestion, I'm just curious what nature and scope of the objections really are
 
2012-10-02 02:05:20 PM

PsiChick: bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?

Because if you're working a dead-end job and the DMV is only open from nine to five, you can't take time off work to renew your ID. And if you've been in that situation for a long time, you probably don't have a car or an up-to-date ID, because almost anyone will take an expired ID. This problem is multiplied exponentially if you have a child or some other responsibility.


Then it's probably a good thing that they're open 6 days a week.

// Just sayin'
 
2012-10-02 02:05:40 PM

hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.


Okay I'll take the bait... The only people in America committing voter fraud are the Republicans. Without it, they would never win an election.
 
2012-10-02 02:05:56 PM

kronicfeld: No, sorry, you can't throw up eleventh-hour barriers to vote and claim that they won't have a substantial impact.


6 months is the eleventh hour?

How slow do you have to walk in order to not get a free ID card in 6 months?
 
2012-10-02 02:06:17 PM

jshine: I'm just curious: for those who oppose voter ID laws, is there *any* combination of free IDs, extended hours, etc. -- any combination at all you can think of -- that would be sufficiently lax that its "not as bad" as just leaving the polls open for anyone who says they're legally allowed to vote? Or do you see any form of ID verification, no matter how unobtrusive, to be wrong as a matter of principle?

/doesn't have to be a practical suggestion, I'm just curious what nature and scope of the objections really are


The fact that there is no need for it. 0.00004% of votes between 2003 and 2007 were fraudulent. I have posted this fact at least 8 times in this thread.

But please, keep "concerning us" with your concerns.
 
2012-10-02 02:06:27 PM
Democrats look like douchebags on this one...

/Independent
 
2012-10-02 02:07:04 PM

Pockafrusta: Democrats look like douchebags on this one...

/Independent


Not really. And you forgot the trademark symbol.
 
2012-10-02 02:07:19 PM
When I moved to my current state, I tried to get a driver's license there. They wanted my birth certificate. I didn't have one, so I ended up renewing in my old state. Getting a birth certificate is a pain in the butt, especially if you don't know what hospital you were born in (or if you weren't born in a hospital).

For those people who think that state IDs are free and easy to get, how free and easy are they to get without a birth certificate?
 
2012-10-02 02:07:20 PM

cchris_39: As much as I hate the "both sides are intellectually inconsistent idiots", it really does apply here.

Making me prove my identity violates my constitutional rights!

Liberal - you're talking about voter ID.
Conservative - you're talking about buying guns.

Same standard has to apply to both.


BOTH SIDES ARE BAD SO VOTE REPUBLICAN!

LOUD NOISES!

PASS THE AMMO AND FAKE IDS!
 
2012-10-02 02:07:29 PM

coeyagi: jshine: I'm just curious: for those who oppose voter ID laws, is there *any* combination of free IDs, extended hours, etc. -- any combination at all you can think of -- that would be sufficiently lax that its "not as bad" as just leaving the polls open for anyone who says they're legally allowed to vote? Or do you see any form of ID verification, no matter how unobtrusive, to be wrong as a matter of principle?

/doesn't have to be a practical suggestion, I'm just curious what nature and scope of the objections really are

The fact that there is no need for it. 0.00004% of votes between 2003 and 2007 were fraudulent. I have posted this fact at least 8 times in this thread.

But please, keep "concerning us" with your concerns.


I don't doubt your stat, but its tangential -- it's not an answer to the question that was asked.
 
2012-10-02 02:07:54 PM

bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?


I got one even though I'm poor, but between the money, and having to find a friend to take me to three different dmv offices, each of which had a different "service fee" in addition to the price of the ID itself, it was a pain in the ass that required far more money than I thought. For people who don't drive, simply getting to/from the DMV can also be a pain in the ass... ir rual places, you're talking about paying 40-50 bucks of gas money just to get down to the dmv.
 
2012-10-02 02:08:15 PM

jshine: coeyagi: jshine: I'm just curious: for those who oppose voter ID laws, is there *any* combination of free IDs, extended hours, etc. -- any combination at all you can think of -- that would be sufficiently lax that its "not as bad" as just leaving the polls open for anyone who says they're legally allowed to vote? Or do you see any form of ID verification, no matter how unobtrusive, to be wrong as a matter of principle?

/doesn't have to be a practical suggestion, I'm just curious what nature and scope of the objections really are

The fact that there is no need for it. 0.00004% of votes between 2003 and 2007 were fraudulent. I have posted this fact at least 8 times in this thread.

But please, keep "concerning us" with your concerns.

I don't doubt your stat, but its tangential -- it's not an answer to the question that was asked.


Yes, it's the basis for asking the question in the first place. If you accept that fact, you need not ask the question.
 
2012-10-02 02:08:30 PM

2wolves: Leeds:

Still waiting for your proof that illegals are voting en masse, let alone voting straight D.


Leeds would rather deflect into his next talking point. Typical RW tactics.
 
2012-10-02 02:09:04 PM

Leeds: Ehcks: If this law were to pass in MO I would go from four eligible ID cards and a number of other eligible ID forms to zero.

I would then be required to purchase a new ID just for voting. The PA card costs $13.50. I'm so broke I can't even afford that right now. Screw you Republicans.


You get 0 out of 10 for your troll attempt.

$0 != $13.50, dumbass


http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/voter/voteridlaw.shtml
For a Secure Pennsylvania Photo ID
$13.50 fee for acquiring an Identification Card will be waived for individuals completing the Oath/ Affirmation Voter ID form.
http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms/voterid/VoterAffirmationNoProofo f ID.pdf

I would not be able to do so because I have ID from the state of Missouri that would not be eligible under a Missouri-equivalent to this law.
 
2012-10-02 02:09:07 PM
Holy crap! Did someone send up the "All Shills On Deck" flare for this one? Lots of previously dormant derp artisans in here.

/Can't wrap my brain around how any thinking adult could be in favor of these partisan, punitive, problematic voter ID laws.
//Yes, I realize the flaw in my reasoning there.
 
2012-10-02 02:09:19 PM

jshine: I'm just curious: for those who oppose voter ID laws, is there *any* combination of free IDs, extended hours, etc. -- any combination at all you can think of -- that would be sufficiently lax that its "not as bad" as just leaving the polls open for anyone who says they're legally allowed to vote? Or do you see any form of ID verification, no matter how unobtrusive, to be wrong as a matter of principle?

/doesn't have to be a practical suggestion, I'm just curious what nature and scope of the objections really are


Perhaps if there were a single, nationally-recognized ID card that were freely available from offices located within 20 miles of any person in America that were open 24 hours per day.
 
2012-10-02 02:09:28 PM

cchris_39: As much as I hate the "both sides are intellectually inconsistent idiots", it really does apply here.

Making me prove my identity violates my constitutional rights!

Liberal - you're talking about voter ID.

Conservative - you're talking about buying guns.

Same standard has to apply to both.


Making a person have to buy an ID to vote is a de facto poll tax, which is illegal.

For the billionth time: make it free, and give people plenty of time (longer than before the very next election) and there is no problem.

It's still a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, but it can be done fairly, so let's do it right.
 
2012-10-02 02:09:36 PM

Marine1: Marine1: In Missouri, if you walk into a liquor store, there will be a sign in the store saying something to the effect of "WARNING TO MINORS: State Liquor Control agent may be posing as employee". If they sell tobacco, there will be a sign saying "WE ID" and a countdown clock saying "If you were born after (insert date and time 18 years ago to the moment here), you cannot buy tobacco products in this state".

So, yeah, you need ID to prove that you're not a minor in those situations. Otherwise, the owner will tell you to take a hike.

Do you want some pictures of said placards or do you want to bury your head even further into the sand? I can go take some pictures around town today to prove my point.


Placards that say you need a photo ID in tobacco and liquor stores? That's such bullshiat. I won't believe it unless I see the pictures.
 
2012-10-02 02:10:00 PM

HeartBurnKid: jshine: I'm just curious: for those who oppose voter ID laws, is there *any* combination of free IDs, extended hours, etc. -- any combination at all you can think of -- that would be sufficiently lax that its "not as bad" as just leaving the polls open for anyone who says they're legally allowed to vote? Or do you see any form of ID verification, no matter how unobtrusive, to be wrong as a matter of principle?

/doesn't have to be a practical suggestion, I'm just curious what nature and scope of the objections really are

Perhaps if there were a single, nationally-recognized ID card that were freely available from offices located within 20 miles of any person in America that were open 24 hours per day.


Oh, and with same-day turnaround. Almost forgot that part.
 
2012-10-02 02:10:41 PM

Leeds: 2wolves: Leeds:

Still waiting for your proof that illegals are voting en masse, let alone voting straight D.

I'll assume for a minute that you haven't followed all of my posts, or you somehow forgot about them.

There is no data on how many illegals are voting because no one has ever had any means of checking. This law (the very law that was just postponed for reasons still unclear to us all) was the legislators' method of beginning to track this data.

Perhaps you don't live in PA and perhaps you haven't been following this topic on the radio and tv and newspapers like the rest of us have. But this law is the method for providing data about how many of the 70 million illegals are voting illegally.



Actually as the Commonwealth of PA stipulated that there was no evidence of in person voter fraud and they are now bound by that stipulation, an argument that this was an attempt to get that data is to say the least quite suspect.
 
2012-10-02 02:10:51 PM

coeyagi: jshine: coeyagi: jshine: I'm just curious: for those who oppose voter ID laws, is there *any* combination of free IDs, extended hours, etc. -- any combination at all you can think of -- that would be sufficiently lax that its "not as bad" as just leaving the polls open for anyone who says they're legally allowed to vote? Or do you see any form of ID verification, no matter how unobtrusive, to be wrong as a matter of principle?

/doesn't have to be a practical suggestion, I'm just curious what nature and scope of the objections really are

The fact that there is no need for it. 0.00004% of votes between 2003 and 2007 were fraudulent. I have posted this fact at least 8 times in this thread.

But please, keep "concerning us" with your concerns.

I don't doubt your stat, but its tangential -- it's not an answer to the question that was asked.

Yes, it's the basis for asking the question in the first place. If you accept that fact, you need not ask the question.


So, to paraphrase (please correct me if I'm wrong), you believe that such laws are wrong as a matter of principle, regardless of the burden (or lack thereof) placed upon voters, and that even if the excess burden could be completely removed -- reduced to 0 -- that it would still be wrong to verify identity.

Would you say that's an accurate summary?
 
2012-10-02 02:10:53 PM

bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?


Poor people can't afford cars. Most people getting picture ID cards do it to be able to drive. If you don't have a car then why get picture ID?

Now, if you're poor, and don't have picture ID, you'd have to take time to procure it. That means taking time off work which you can't do because you're poor and you need to work how to make money and if you take time off work to get fired. Also, it usually requires transportation such as a car, what you don't have because your poor. You see, in many poor areas the DMV is far away from where you reside: in my city the drivers license center is all the way in downtown and it's a very large city, the transportation makes getting there prohibitive. The county from which I will came only had one drivers license center, and it took 45 minutes to drive there. Some people don't have that time. Further, some centers are only open for a few hours one day a week, making it even more prohibitive.
 
2012-10-02 02:11:26 PM
Just to add....

http://www.vitalrec.com/ca.html

A Birth Certificate from CA takes 15-20 weeks and $18. So getting your picture ID from Pennsylvania's going to take $18 and half a year if you don't have a copy of your birth certificate.
 
2012-10-02 02:11:50 PM

Pockafrusta: Democrats look like douchebags on this one...

/Independent


Ah yes, another Republican calling himself an "independent" but his butthurt is too strong not to notice his allegiances.
 
2012-10-02 02:12:03 PM

Pockafrusta: Democrats look like douchebags on this one...

/Independent


Why?
 
2012-10-02 02:12:05 PM

Nutsac_Jim: kronicfeld: No, sorry, you can't throw up eleventh-hour barriers to vote and claim that they won't have a substantial impact.

6 months is the eleventh hour?

How slow do you have to walk in order to not get a free ID card in 6 months?


Free is relative... how do you think poor rural people are gonna do this? Magic? Getting people to take you to the dmv and sit with you for six hours is gonna cost you a ton of gas money at the very least. Aside from that, does it really matter at what time they throw up the barriers to voting? I mean, why are we punishing every non-driver in the state and treating them all like we assume they're committing felonies? For the record, my grandmom doesn't walk at all. =P
 
2012-10-02 02:12:26 PM

Nutsac_Jim: kronicfeld: No, sorry, you can't throw up eleventh-hour barriers to vote and claim that they won't have a substantial impact.

6 months is the eleventh hour?

How slow do you have to walk in order to not get a free ID card in 6 months?


Oh, you can wailk?
Yay for you!
 
2012-10-02 02:12:45 PM

olddinosaur: someonelse: olddinosaur: There are between 12 and 20 million illegals in the USA, and as near as I can tell, most of them vote.

citation needed

Go to google and key in "illegal immigrant voting," and you will find about 8.5 million of these citation thingies you love so well.

RTFP, doofus.


8.5 million hits, and I would bet you $10,000 that every single one of them is to a conservative think tank or blog.

Show me the court documents you tool.

Oh, that's right, they don't exist....
(Do you have any clue how Google algorithms can be manipulated?)
 
2012-10-02 02:13:02 PM

jshine: coeyagi: jshine: coeyagi: jshine: I'm just curious: for those who oppose voter ID laws, is there *any* combination of free IDs, extended hours, etc. -- any combination at all you can think of -- that would be sufficiently lax that its "not as bad" as just leaving the polls open for anyone who says they're legally allowed to vote? Or do you see any form of ID verification, no matter how unobtrusive, to be wrong as a matter of principle?

/doesn't have to be a practical suggestion, I'm just curious what nature and scope of the objections really are

The fact that there is no need for it. 0.00004% of votes between 2003 and 2007 were fraudulent. I have posted this fact at least 8 times in this thread.

But please, keep "concerning us" with your concerns.

I don't doubt your stat, but its tangential -- it's not an answer to the question that was asked.

Yes, it's the basis for asking the question in the first place. If you accept that fact, you need not ask the question.

So, to paraphrase (please correct me if I'm wrong), you believe that such laws are wrong as a matter of principle, regardless of the burden (or lack thereof) placed upon voters, and that even if the excess burden could be completely removed -- reduced to 0 -- that it would still be wrong to verify identity.

Would you say that's an accurate summary?


No, I never said it was unfair if the burden was completely removed (which it's not even close to being), I just think it's an unnecessary law if there is no problem except in the minds of dickhead gerrymandering GOPers. If you finally accept that fact as I have, you don't struggle with the implementation of the law, you struggle with its existence altogether.
 
2012-10-02 02:13:39 PM
Quick question for Fark's armchair Lawyers:

If a person is turned away from the polls due to lack of ID, does that stand as "taxation without representation", effectively nullifying a persons responsibility to pay taxes?
 
2012-10-02 02:14:32 PM

Ehcks: Leeds: Ehcks: If this law were to pass in MO I would go from four eligible ID cards and a number of other eligible ID forms to zero.

I would then be required to purchase a new ID just for voting. The PA card costs $13.50. I'm so broke I can't even afford that right now. Screw you Republicans.


You get 0 out of 10 for your troll attempt.

$0 != $13.50, dumbass

http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/voter/voteridlaw.shtml
For a Secure Pennsylvania Photo ID
$13.50 fee for acquiring an Identification Card will be waived for individuals completing the Oath/ Affirmation Voter ID form.
http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms/voterid/VoterAffirmationNoProofo f ID.pdf

I would not be able to do so because I have ID from the state of Missouri that would not be eligible under a Missouri-equivalent to this law.


Now you're pissing me the fark off, troll. If you know how to use google, how is it that you can't navigate to the page that says:

Since the Pennsylvania Voter ID law was enacted in March, PennDOT has been working closely with the Department of State to ensure that every voter has the opportunity to obtain photo identification. If you don't possess photo identification for voting purposes, you will be able to obtain a new Department of State voter identification card for free by visiting a PennDOT Driver License Center.


And even if you are a total fail-boat when it comes to using a search engine, can't you learn how to hit "ctrl-f" and search up on this very page to where the quotes and links prove that these ID's are free??? Hint- look here.

You are a pathetically ignorant little shiate. If I was the president I'd ban you from voting out of concern that you lack the intelligence to cast a farking ballot, you malodorous perverted little twit.
 
2012-10-02 02:14:44 PM

Nutsac_Jim: kronicfeld: No, sorry, you can't throw up eleventh-hour barriers to vote and claim that they won't have a substantial impact.

6 months is the eleventh hour?

How slow do you have to walk in order to not get a free ID card in 6 months?


You've never had an application of any kind run through a bureaucratic system have you?
 
2012-10-02 02:15:09 PM

X-boxershorts: 8.5 million hits, and I would bet you $10,000 that every single one of them is to a conservative think tank or blog.


Some of them are fact checkers calling bullshiat. I'll take my $10,000 now, please.
 
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