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2012-10-02 12:32:13 PM

Joe Blowme: Valid photo identification is required for the things that follow:
adopt a pet
purchase a home
purchase an automobile
purchase a gun
obtain a bank account
obtain a credit card
obtain a passport
write a check
make a credit card purchase
apply for a loan to purchase anything
to prove your age
to get married
to receive a marriage license
to drive
(only if you get pulled over)
to buy a house duplicate
to close on a house duplicate
to get medical care
to get on a plane
to get insurance on anything
to get a job
to get a post office box

to get a hunting license
to get a fishing license
to get a business license
to cash a paycheck
rent an apartment
rent a hotel room
rent a car
rent furniture
rent tools and equipment
receive welfare
receive social security
receive food stamps
buy cigarettes
(not if you look over thirty)
buy alcohol (not if you look over thirty)
buy a bus ticket
buy a cell phone
buy any antihistimine
(only ones containing pseudoephedrine)
go in to a casino
go in to a bar

go to college
have your water turned on
have your electricity turned on
have your cable turned on
have your gas turned on
obtain trash pick up service
pick up a package from the post office
(not if it's delivered)
pick up a package from fed ex (not if it's delivered)
pick up a package from ups (not if it's delivered)
pick up a prescription

So the people without id to vote never do any of these thigs either, right?


Struck out the ones that I have either personally done or know people who have done without photo ID. Look at the rest, and tell me how many you think poor people do.
 
2012-10-02 12:32:41 PM

justtray: Welcome to ignore!"


Yes I am familiar with libruls sticking their heads in the sand.....why do you ask?
 
2012-10-02 12:32:48 PM
Oh no! How can they ignore the ZERO cases of voter fraud currently being prosecuted by PA?
 
2012-10-02 12:32:57 PM

Joe Blowme: Valid photo identification is required for the things that follow:
adopt a pet
purchase a home
purchase an automobile
purchase a gun
obtain a bank account
obtain a credit card
obtain a passport
write a check
make a credit card purchase
apply for a loan to purchase anything
to prove your age
to get married
to receive a marriage license
to drive
to buy a house
to close on a house
to get medical care
to get on a plane
to get insurance on anything
to get a job
to get a post office box
to get a hunting license
to get a fishing license
to get a business license
to cash a paycheck
rent an apartment
rent a hotel room
rent a car
rent furniture
rent tools and equipment
receive welfare
receive social security
receive food stamps
buy cigarettes
buy alcohol
buy a bus ticket
buy a cell phone
buy any antihistimine
go in to a casino
go in to a bar
go to college
have your water turned on
have your electricity turned on
have your cable turned on
have your gas turned on
obtain trash pick up service
pick up a package from the post office
pick up a package from fed ex
pick up a package from ups
pick up a prescription

So the people without id to vote never do any of these thigs either, right?


I have a pet
obtained a credit card online
write checks
make purchases with a credit card
gotten medical care
gotten insurance
received a fishing license
buy cigarettes
bought bus tickets
bought a prepaid cell phone
cashed a paycheck
opened a bank account
had water, electric and cable turned on
went into a bar
went to college
obtained trash pick up
and pick up prescriptions

all without providing an ID that would be acceptable to vote with. I could probably do even more on that list, but got tired of your ridiculous list. I dont know which state you live in, but god damn you got some bureaucratic douches in your state government.
 
2012-10-02 12:33:07 PM

Joe Blowme: coeyagi: Marine1: Joe Blowme: Valid photo identification is required for the things that follow:
adopt a pet
purchase a home
purchase an automobile
purchase a gun
obtain a bank account
obtain a credit card
obtain a passport
write a check
make a credit card purchase
apply for a loan to purchase anything
to prove your age
to get married
to receive a marriage license
to drive
to buy a house
to close on a house
to get medical care
to get on a plane
to get insurance on anything
to get a job
to get a post office box
to get a hunting license
to get a fishing license
to get a business license
to cash a paycheck
rent an apartment
rent a hotel room
rent a car
rent furniture
rent tools and equipment
receive welfare
receive social security
receive food stamps
buy cigarettes
buy alcohol
buy a bus ticket
buy a cell phone
buy any antihistimine
go in to a casino
go in to a bar
go to college
have your water turned on
have your electricity turned on
have your cable turned on
have your gas turned on
obtain trash pick up service
pick up a package from the post office
pick up a package from fed ex
pick up a package from ups
pick up a prescription

So the people without id to vote never do any of these thigs either, right?

But, but, poor people never do any of that...

It's beautiful when trolls / low-information voters internet fist-bump.

As oppsoed to what? Ignore facts like you? I realise this is FARK but why do you hate facts? Which one is wrong?


These are facts, yes, but they don't support an argument. The argument being:

"Voter IDs are necessary because there is a) rampant fraud and b) they would prevent fraud."

This argument can be shot down with a) there is not rampant fraud, b) they would not prevent fraud, c) also, voting is a constitutionally-protected right whereas the dipsh*t things you mention are not.
 
2012-10-02 12:33:08 PM

iheartscotch: I also said; Ids are required for a lot of important things. Why not voting?


Where there's no problem, no solution is needed.

Make the IDs free and easy to obtain and there is no problem.
 
2012-10-02 12:33:08 PM

Hugh_Janus: Here's an idea, you have 4 years and about 30 days to get an ID for the net election. If you can't then you may not be able to prove you are who you are and your vote will not be counted. you an still vote though.

/my stupid 2 cents.


But if 8 months wasn't enough, What makes you think 4 years would be?
 
2012-10-02 12:33:25 PM

xaratherus: Joe Blowme: Valid photo identification is required for the things that follow:
adopt a pet
purchase a home
purchase an automobile
purchase a gun
obtain a bank account
obtain a credit card
obtain a passport
write a check
make a credit card purchase
apply for a loan to purchase anything
to prove your age
to get married
to receive a marriage license
to drive
to buy a house
to close on a house
to get medical care
to get on a plane
to get insurance on anything
to get a job
to get a post office box
to get a hunting license
to get a fishing license
to get a business license
to cash a paycheck
rent an apartment
rent a hotel room
rent a car
rent furniture
rent tools and equipment
receive welfare
receive social security
receive food stamps
buy cigarettes
buy alcohol
buy a bus ticket
buy a cell phone
buy any antihistimine
go in to a casino
go in to a bar
go to college
have your water turned on
have your electricity turned on
have your cable turned on
have your gas turned on
obtain trash pick up service
pick up a package from the post office
pick up a package from fed ex
pick up a package from ups
pick up a prescription

So the people without id to vote never do any of these thigs either, right?

Only one of those is a Constitutionally-guaranteed right - and the party that predominantly supports voter ID law (Republican) has a history of fighting fervently against the gun control laws that require you to go through a thorough identification process and background checks before purchasing a firearm.

And that is hypocrisy, plain and simple.


so you are all for applying the same checks on voting as they do on guns? Got it.
 
2012-10-02 12:33:29 PM

HeartBurnKid: Joe Blowme: Valid photo identification is required for the things that follow:
adopt a pet
purchase a home
purchase an automobile
purchase a gun
obtain a bank account
obtain a credit card
obtain a passport
write a check
make a credit card purchase
apply for a loan to purchase anything
to prove your age
to get married
to receive a marriage license
to drive (only if you get pulled over)
to buy a house duplicate
to close on a house duplicate
to get medical care
to get on a plane
to get insurance on anything
to get a job
to get a post office box
to get a hunting license
to get a fishing license
to get a business license
to cash a paycheck
rent an apartment
rent a hotel room
rent a car
rent furniture
rent tools and equipment
receive welfare
receive social security
receive food stamps
buy cigarettes (not if you look over thirty)
buy alcohol (not if you look over thirty)
buy a bus ticket
buy a cell phone
buy any antihistimine (only ones containing pseudoephedrine)
go in to a casino
go in to a bar
go to college
have your water turned on
have your electricity turned on
have your cable turned on
have your gas turned on
obtain trash pick up service
pick up a package from the post office (not if it's delivered)
pick up a package from fed ex (not if it's delivered)
pick up a package from ups (not if it's delivered)
pick up a prescription

So the people without id to vote never do any of these thigs either, right?

Struck out the ones that I have either personally done or know people who have done without photo ID. Look at the rest, and tell me how many you think poor people do.


Please don't let facts get in the way of his false reality. He's not going to accept the truth.
 
2012-10-02 12:33:34 PM
The US has got to be the only Western democracies that doesn't require ID to vote. It is really asinine that you wouldn't. I'm as liberal as they come, and grew up in Canada, and even those commies hosers require ID.
 
2012-10-02 12:34:11 PM

DamnYankees: what_now: Actual attempted voter fraud that I, a poll worker, encountered:

I was working at the election checking people off as they came in to vote. One fellow- who was nasty to begin with- came in to vote and was FLABBERGASTED that I wouldn't give him a ballot. He insisted he lived "just down the street", which is absolutely accurate...but in a different town.

He tried to show me his drivers license to "prove I am who I say I am", but 1) I'm not the person to dispute address with and 2) he freely admitted that he lived in Cambridge, not Somerville.

By his reasoning, he should be able to vote "wherever", because he was only voting for the state wide election.

I'm sort of on his side.


Ok, so if he can vote anywhere for "just the state election" does that mean that we should have a ballot for residents of my town, and then for people who are just running in for the state elections? And if you can vote ANYWHERE, doesn't that mean you can vote EVERYWHERE?
 
2012-10-02 12:34:18 PM
So I guess we're stuck with voter fraud and ballot box stuffing here in America, home to the best technology in the world.

Meanwhile, they seemed to have mostly solved the problem in a third-world backwater proto-nation that only recently got their own democratic elections for the first time in their entire 6,000-year history:


jimmyakin.com

imgc.artprintimages.com

3.bp.blogspot.com

img5.ranchoweb.com
 
2012-10-02 12:34:40 PM

I_C_Weener: moothemagiccow: I_C_Weener: Leeds: THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.


But its inconvenient.  And so are going to the polls.  I mean get out of bed and sometime between 6am and 8pm go somewhere in your neighborhood to vote.  Its unconscionable.

I can pay my taxes whenever and wherever. Why do I have to get out of bed to vote? It's retarded.


If you don't vote, the IRS won't come after you. 
 
If American Idol required voter ID, there'd be a revolution!!!


So despite the threat, it's still convenient? That makes no sense.
 
2012-10-02 12:34:47 PM

coeyagi: c) also, voting is a constitutionally-protected right whereas the dipsh*t things you mention are not.


only to legal citizens....
 
2012-10-02 12:34:52 PM

jabelar: The US has got to be the only Western democracies that doesn't require ID to vote. It is really asinine that you wouldn't. I'm as liberal as they come, and grew up in Canada, and even those commies hosers require ID.


And you wonder why Stephen Harper's your PM...

/God, Obama would wipe the floor with Harper.
 
2012-10-02 12:34:55 PM

Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: justtray: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: King Something: OhLuverly: Haven't been following this much so if someone would please clear this up, how is requiring a state issued ID to vote a barrier to poor folks voting?

The IDs required are not free; hence, it's a poll tax.

The free IDs have already been cited via articles and PENNDOTs own website....care to try again?

Can you get them by sitting in your house and not spending money on a) birth certificate copy b) bus fare?

People are usually highly motivated to get free stuff....look at how much time effort and planning is put into robbing a clothing store with organized crews of unemployed democrats.....

Getting off your ass to get a job or a free ID is hard though....so lets go spend 5 hours striiping all the wire and copper pipe out of an abandoned home so we can get 14$ at the scrap yard.

Ok, so where is the problem? 0.00003% of votes from 2003-2007. Where is the F*CKING problem?

300 million guns in the United states and 30k deaths from guns including suicide......where is the problem?

A factor of 1000, a false equivilency, and the fact that one of those consequences is an additional vote, where the other is a dead person.

Are you that much of an imbecile to think you had a real argument?

Whats worse....the death from a suicide or the thousands or millions of deaths (depending on whos body count website you use) caused by Bushs terms?

See how much more dangerous getting the wrong person into office by a .0003% margin is?

Except, Trisomy 21 guy, it's 0.00003%, not 0.0003%, and it's never happened before. C'mon, cognitive dissonance dude, your party needs you to stand up and yell "SMALL GOVERNMENT, you F*CKTARDS!" Be that patriot Eagle with tears in his eyes, setting the derpers straight. Be bold, be brave!

This coming from the guy who posts red state vs blue state welfare charts that are 10 years old?

Are you defending the poor republicans or the poor democrats rig ...


I post education statistics of red state vs. blue state from 2008, if that's what you mean. Also, keep deflecting and not addressing the issue of "need". You are silently admitting that this is counterproductive to the GOP platform of small government but a necessary evil to ensure that the GOP can rig an election.
 
2012-10-02 12:35:57 PM

Joe Blowme: As oppsoed to what? Ignore facts like you? I realise this is FARK but why do you hate facts? Which one is wrong?


Unless an ID is free and easy to obtain, it is a poll tax. Poll taxes are unconstitutional.

Did I dumb it down enough for you?
 
2012-10-02 12:36:06 PM

Marine1: Joe Blowme: Valid photo identification is required for the things that follow:
adopt a pet
purchase a home
purchase an automobile
purchase a gun
obtain a bank account
obtain a credit card
obtain a passport
write a check
make a credit card purchase
apply for a loan to purchase anything
to prove your age

to get married
to receive a marriage license

to drive
to buy a house
to close on a house

to get medical care
to get on a plane
to get insurance on anything

to get a job
to get a post office box

to get a hunting license
to get a fishing license
to get a business license

to cash a paycheck
rent an apartment
rent a hotel room

rent a car
rent furniture
rent tools and equipment

receive welfare
receive social security
receive food stamps
buy cigarettes
buy alcohol
buy a bus ticket
buy a cell phone
buy any antihistimine
go in to a casino
go in to a bar

go to college
have your water turned on

have your electricity turned on
have your cable turned on
have your gas turned on

obtain trash pick up service
pick up a package from the post office
pick up a package from fed ex
pick up a package from ups

pick up a prescription

So the people without id to vote never do any of these thigs either, right?

But, but, poor people never do any of that...


Again, items that are struck are things poor people don't typically do. Bolded items don't require photo ID. There is no third category.
 
2012-10-02 12:36:28 PM

Loadmaster: So I guess we're stuck with voter fraud and ballot box stuffing here in America, home to the best technology in the world.

Meanwhile, they seemed to have mostly solved the problem in a third-world backwater proto-nation that only recently got their own democratic elections for the first time in their entire 6,000-year history:


[jimmyakin.com image 331x450]

[imgc.artprintimages.com image 366x488]

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 273x253]

[img5.ranchoweb.com image 250x344]


Not only that but they have hundreds of people running for the same office....we get 2 corporate sponsored figureheads and call it democracy that should be the envy of every nation on earth.....but as long as it's our corporate sponsored figurehead we are ok with it.
 
2012-10-02 12:37:12 PM

Loadmaster: So I guess we're stuck with voter fraud and ballot box stuffing here in America


Well, except that that doesn't happen.
 
2012-10-02 12:37:21 PM

Saruman_W: What's so good about this? Is it so wrong to verify someone is who they say they are and properly registered before you vote? Seriously, it takes like 2 freakin' seconds to whip that card out.

You get carded when you buy a gun, or buy booze and all sorts of other crap... what's so different about casting in a vote to decide who runs out entire country for 4 more years?


In Pa., when you go to the polls, you give your name, they look up your name in the voting register where a copy of your signature from when your registered is displayed. You sign the line right next to your signature and the poll worker verifies that your signature matches the one from when you registered.

What is wrong with this?
 
2012-10-02 12:37:59 PM
People never card me writting checks so that means i dont have to have one* DERRP

Seriously? That is your argument? Because people not enforcing the law is proof you dont have to have ID or obey the law?? WOW, VOTE OBAMA!!!
 
2012-10-02 12:38:07 PM

lemurs: In practice, actual voter fraud (which is not the same thing as voter registration fraud) is extremely rare. And when it does occur, the typical causes are things like felons voting when they shouldn't, which wouldn't be stopped by voter ID laws.

So just like the "top state Republican lawmaker" in TFA alludes to, the purpose of voter ID laws is not to stop voting fraud.




Thisity THIS.

1) In person Voter Fraud almost never* (*a statistically irrelevant number) happens.

2) Even the backers of the bill say it's not for the purposes of preventing in-person voting.

3) You have nothing, this is voter suppression pure and simple.
 
2012-10-02 12:38:38 PM
One of the nice things about my job is I get to abuse and exploit illegal immigrants on a daily basis.
 
2012-10-02 12:39:44 PM

Loadmaster: So I guess we're stuck with voter fraud and ballot box stuffing here in America, home to the best technology in the world.

Meanwhile, they seemed to have mostly solved the problem in a third-world backwater proto-nation that only recently got their own democratic elections for the first time in their entire 6,000-year history:


[jimmyakin.com image 331x450]

[imgc.artprintimages.com image 366x488]

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 273x253]

[img5.ranchoweb.com image 250x344]


Hey, let's do that. I'll happily dip my finger in ink to show I voted.
 
2012-10-02 12:40:34 PM

Bag of Hammers: this is voter suppression pure and simple.


Yes...suppression of illegals...which is a good thing.
 
2012-10-02 12:41:00 PM

Joe Blowme: Valid photo identification is required for the things that follow:
adopt a pet
purchase a home
purchase an automobile
purchase a gun
obtain a bank account
obtain a credit card
obtain a passport
write a check
make a credit card purchase

apply for a loan to purchase anything
to prove your age
to get married
to receive a marriage license
to drive
to buy a house
to close on a house
to get medical care
to get on a plane
to get insurance on anything
to get a job

to get a post office box
to get a hunting license
to get a fishing license
to get a business license
to cash a paycheck
rent an apartment

rent a hotel room
rent a car
rent furniture
rent tools and equipment
receive welfare
receive social security
receive food stamps
buy cigarettes
buy alcohol
buy a bus ticket
buy a cell phone

buy any antihistimine
go in to a casino
go in to a bar
go to college
have your water turned on
have your electricity turned on
have your cable turned on
have your gas turned on
obtain trash pick up service

pick up a package from the post office
pick up a package from fed ex
pick up a package from ups
pick up a prescription

So the people without id to vote never do any of these thigs either, right?


All the stuff that is struck through are things I have done without needing to show either a picture ID, or ID of any sort. Any more false information to disseminate?
 
2012-10-02 12:41:24 PM

Theaetetus: There is no third category.

Then there is the third category, the category of people who need to be constantly before the eyes of the person they love.


Got nothin'.
 
2012-10-02 12:41:44 PM

iheartscotch: sdd2000: iheartscotch: The actual issue is people that live in two states. New York and Florida for example. It is POSSIBLE that a snow bird could POTENTIALLY vote in both states. I know, I know; it's a bit of a stretch; but that doesn't change the fact that it could happen.

/ I know; I'm worse than hitler

And how does this law stop this? Also, what percent of voting population could that apply to, is it even as high as .01% ?

Never said it did; like I said, states should compare voter rolls and investigate duplicates.

I also said; Ids are required for a lot of important things. Why not voting? Would you be in favor of a blood scan to prove identity instead of a ID card? It's not like a persons' blood type suddenly changes.

/ .01 of 300,000,000 is 3,000,000; 300 million is the population of the United States


The states should investigate duplicates as well as any voter fraud or registration fraud, but you have avoided the question of how the voter ID law in PA would solve this alleged problem? How would blood typing? Wouldn't comparing the signature on the voting books to one provided by the voter be equally effective?


BTW .01% of 300 million is not 3 million or do you subscribe to the Paul Ryan/Romney math issues? It is 1 percent not 1/100 of one percent which was the number I was using, however even the high estimates put the number as being much less than 1/1000 of one percent.
 
2012-10-02 12:42:04 PM

bim1154: One of the nice things about my job is I get to abuse and exploit illegal immigrants on a daily basis. I'm on Sheriff Joe Arpaio's staff so I'm getting a kick out of your replies....

/ftfu

I
 
2012-10-02 12:42:04 PM

Lionel Mandrake: iheartscotch: I also said; Ids are required for a lot of important things. Why not voting?

Where there's no problem, no solution is needed.

Make the IDs free and easy to obtain and there is no problem.


This seems to come up every election; the laws tend to make replacing a lost Id free and easy. It's almost as though everybody procrastinated 4 or 2 or whatever number of years. Would you prefer blood scans as aposed to a physical id that you can loose?

/ also; have you been denying them your essence, mandrake?
 
2012-10-02 12:42:05 PM

Joe Blowme: People never card me writting checks so that means i dont have to have one* DERRP

Seriously? That is your argument? Because people not enforcing the law is proof you dont have to have ID or obey the law?? WOW, VOTE OBAMA!!!


The argument is that it amounts to a poll tax, results in keeping eligible voters from voting, and addresses a non-existent "problem"
 
2012-10-02 12:42:07 PM

Lionel Mandrake: aug3: you silly americans think because you get to vote one day every four years you some bastion of democracy

Elections are held every two years.

Just sayin'



We've held two elections in my state already in 2012.

All politics is local.
 
2012-10-02 12:42:14 PM
Voting day should be a national holiday to increase turnout. We can give up one of the ones for some guy who died centuries ago like Columbus or Jesus.
 
2012-10-02 12:42:57 PM

you have pee hands: Voting day should be a national holiday to increase turnout. We can give up one of the ones for some guy who died centuries ago like Columbus or Jesus.


agreed
 
2012-10-02 12:43:23 PM

Bag of Hammers: lemurs: In practice, actual voter fraud (which is not the same thing as voter registration fraud) is extremely rare. And when it does occur, the typical causes are things like felons voting when they shouldn't, which wouldn't be stopped by voter ID laws.

So just like the "top state Republican lawmaker" in TFA alludes to, the purpose of voter ID laws is not to stop voting fraud.



Thisity THIS.

1) In person Voter Fraud almost never* (*a statistically irrelevant number) happens.

2) Even the backers of the bill say it's not for the purposes of preventing in-person voting.

3) You have nothing, this is voter suppression pure and simple.


It really is this simple. Republicans are whipping people into a frenzy over a problem that has been proven not to exist in order to pass draconian measures that disenfranchise voter demographics which tend to vote for Democrats.

Repeating their talking points just shows that you've either been duped by right wing propaganda or are knowingly pushing said propaganda to gain an unfair and undemocratic advantage at the polls.
 
2012-10-02 12:44:22 PM

Joe Blowme: bartink


I missed the point of my post. Your list, while inaccurate, is irrelevant.

Acting incredulous over a list is a red herring. The data says that a large number of people don't have IDs. So you are either arguing by your incredulity of an irrelevant list or you are doubting the actual data. Both are lousy arguments.
 
2012-10-02 12:45:05 PM

coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: justtray: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: King Something: OhLuverly: Haven't been following this much so if someone would please clear this up, how is requiring a state issued ID to vote a barrier to poor folks voting?

The IDs required are not free; hence, it's a poll tax.

The free IDs have already been cited via articles and PENNDOTs own website....care to try again?

Can you get them by sitting in your house and not spending money on a) birth certificate copy b) bus fare?

People are usually highly motivated to get free stuff....look at how much time effort and planning is put into robbing a clothing store with organized crews of unemployed democrats.....

Getting off your ass to get a job or a free ID is hard though....so lets go spend 5 hours striiping all the wire and copper pipe out of an abandoned home so we can get 14$ at the scrap yard.

Ok, so where is the problem? 0.00003% of votes from 2003-2007. Where is the F*CKING problem?

300 million guns in the United states and 30k deaths from guns including suicide......where is the problem?

A factor of 1000, a false equivilency, and the fact that one of those consequences is an additional vote, where the other is a dead person.

Are you that much of an imbecile to think you had a real argument?

Whats worse....the death from a suicide or the thousands or millions of deaths (depending on whos body count website you use) caused by Bushs terms?

See how much more dangerous getting the wrong person into office by a .0003% margin is?

Except, Trisomy 21 guy, it's 0.00003%, not 0.0003%, and it's never happened before. C'mon, cognitive dissonance dude, your party needs you to stand up and yell "SMALL GOVERNMENT, you F*CKTARDS!" Be that patriot Eagle with tears in his eyes, setting the derpers straight. Be bold, be brave!

This coming from the guy who posts red state vs blue state welfare charts that are 10 years old?

Are you defending the poor republicans or the poor demo ...


I just want to make sure everyone gets a voice and can prove they didn't speak twice or three times no matter what party they belong to.

I think we should go even farther so that they don't find a bag of uncounted votes that all go to one candidate at the 11th hour.....wasn't that Walker in Wisconsin or something?

But can you link the study....I'm curious as to how they come up with those stats... We know NY is a blue state, but the reason they do well education wise is because there are more than enough white people upstate to counter the failings of the minorities who can't read or write who go to school in the 5 bouroughs.
 
2012-10-02 12:45:13 PM

bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?


Have you ever been poor?
 
2012-10-02 12:45:35 PM

Lionel Mandrake: The argument is that it amounts to a poll tax, results in keeping eligible voters from voting, and addresses a non-existent "problem"


The way it is now it allows "INELIGIBLE" voters (illegals) to vote.

Do you believe ILLEGAL immigrants should be able to vote?
 
2012-10-02 12:45:49 PM

Marine1: justtray: Marine1: Disposable Rob: Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?

I liked how you list things that only people with money do. You do have the sense to realize that poverty is a major disadvantage, though. Some of us try to focus on that, but then Republicans complain that poor people own refrigerators and get government cell phones.

Yes, because poor people don't live in apartments, don't purchase any tobacco or cigarettes, don't cash paychecks, and don't drive.

That's shiat you do no matter what your income level.

An ID isn't required to buy alcohol or cigarettes, which was already told to you. Occasionally you have to prove your age, but that's just the discretion of the shop owner.

You're reaching, and simultaneously pretending like you aren't bias. Just go the fark away moron. You've been shot down so many times in here you should be embarrassed for yourself.

It isn't required to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Let me tell all of the local high school burnouts to move to your locale so they can get their stuff ...


when was the last time you were behind a guy in his 50's/60's buy a pack of smokes and a bottle of vodak at the liquor store? did he get ID'd??

hell i'm 30 and smoke AND drink and i get carded MAYBE 1/20 of those kinds of purchases.

/inb4 'oh you just go to the same store'
//don't
///reality is a little more complicated than your personal worldview, friend
 
2012-10-02 12:45:53 PM
The intention of the Pennsylvania legislation was clearly stated by a Republican lawmaker -- to put Romney into the White House.
The GOP's American Legislative Exchange Council, which promoted voter similar laws across the country, should be tried under civil RICO law for its efforts to deny millions of American citizens of their constitutional right to vote, and all the Republican state lawmakers who joined the effort should be co-defendants.
 
2012-10-02 12:46:12 PM
Also the electoral college is a giant crock of shiat, though we'll never pass a constitutional amendment to fix that goddamn mess.

Low population states have more than double the representation per capita of high population states and unless you're in one of the dozen or so swing states your vote might as well not count at all for either side.
 
2012-10-02 12:46:46 PM

mr lawson: Do you believe ILLEGAL immigrants should be able to vote?


Do you have any evidence proving they do in any significant way?
 
2012-10-02 12:46:48 PM
Very good news. Suck it, cons.
 
2012-10-02 12:47:11 PM
I almost wish some of these laws would stand. So it would give democratic law makers the opportunity to a implement a national voter ID and make an effort to get everyone registered to vote with any governmental interaction. I mean if the voting process is so on lock down then there is no reason to not have an aggressive registration effort.

Hypnozombie
 
2012-10-02 12:47:17 PM

jabelar: The US has got to be the only Western democracies that doesn't require ID to vote. It is really asinine that you wouldn't. I'm as liberal as they come, and grew up in Canada, and even those commies hosers require ID.


Actually, that's not true.

http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=ind e x&lang=e

All you need is a fellow elector who knows you to vouch for you and swear an oath.
 
2012-10-02 12:48:30 PM
5monkeys: Poor cash checks, buy booze or cigarettes, live places, or have bank accounts. I am not rich, not by a mile, but i have an id. You need one in today's world.

Poor people frequently get paid in cash. The ones who get paid in checks frequently don't have bank accounts, and instead take them to check cashing places who will take 15% and not require ID and/or will simply check off a box saying 'checked ID' on a form without actually needing to look at said ID.
Booze and cigarettes can be purchased without an ID, particularly if you're paying cash.
You can rent crappy apartments from slum lords for cash without needing an ID, because they don't want to report the income to the IRS and if they have your cash, they don't care who the fark you are.

In short, you're incredibly naive. There's this huge world of people living by means you know nothing of.

You sir, are arrogant. That you would believe I am naive to the way people work around the system is insulting. Pointing out how these people don't pay taxes as a way to validate their inability to vote is ridiculous. So what if they have a job that pays under the table. Then let them use the money that they should have paid in taxes to get an ID. This is America 2012, having an ID is not a difficult thing to aquire. All excuses aside they were given time to get one if they want to vote. Stop making excuses for people.
 
2012-10-02 12:48:42 PM

Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: justtray: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: King Something: OhLuverly: Haven't been following this much so if someone would please clear this up, how is requiring a state issued ID to vote a barrier to poor folks voting?

The IDs required are not free; hence, it's a poll tax.

The free IDs have already been cited via articles and PENNDOTs own website....care to try again?

Can you get them by sitting in your house and not spending money on a) birth certificate copy b) bus fare?

People are usually highly motivated to get free stuff....look at how much time effort and planning is put into robbing a clothing store with organized crews of unemployed democrats.....

Getting off your ass to get a job or a free ID is hard though....so lets go spend 5 hours striiping all the wire and copper pipe out of an abandoned home so we can get 14$ at the scrap yard.

Ok, so where is the problem? 0.00003% of votes from 2003-2007. Where is the F*CKING problem?

300 million guns in the United states and 30k deaths from guns including suicide......where is the problem?

A factor of 1000, a false equivilency, and the fact that one of those consequences is an additional vote, where the other is a dead person.

Are you that much of an imbecile to think you had a real argument?

Whats worse....the death from a suicide or the thousands or millions of deaths (depending on whos body count website you use) caused by Bushs terms?

See how much more dangerous getting the wrong person into office by a .0003% margin is?

Except, Trisomy 21 guy, it's 0.00003%, not 0.0003%, and it's never happened before. C'mon, cognitive dissonance dude, your party needs you to stand up and yell "SMALL GOVERNMENT, you F*CKTARDS!" Be that patriot Eagle with tears in his eyes, setting the derpers straight. Be bold, be brave!

This coming from the guy who posts red state vs blue state welfare charts that are 10 years old?

Are you defending the poor republicans or the ...


A) Ok, so you're "concerned". Typical GOP nonsense. Can't be used to prove a "need".
B) It wasn't a study - it was me crunching the numbers. Very simple - find electoral college results, compare to national educational rankings, average blue and red states. You can draw your own conclusions, I was just pointing out facts. Also, while the NY example might be true, do you think it would occur like that in every state or a bunch of states that went blue? Please.
 
2012-10-02 12:48:47 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: mr lawson: Do you believe ILLEGAL immigrants should be able to vote?

Do you have any evidence proving they do in any significant way?


What, you didn't see how many hits "Illegal immigrants voting" pulls up on google?

There are almost HALF as many hits as "Beiber sex tape" and now that image is stuck in your head, because I'm an asshole.
 
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