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2012-10-02 12:18:04 PM  

This text is now purple: dustygrimp: Because the .00004% of votes cast that were proven fraudulent over the last 4 years is a big problem.

Margin of victory for Kennedy over Nixon, 1960: 0.013%.
Margin of victory for Bush over Gore, 2000: 0.002%.

It doesn't necessarily take much to swing an election.


You realize that you're three and two orders of magnitude off, respectively?

24.media.tumblr.com
What an order of magnitude may look like.
 
2012-10-02 12:18:15 PM  

bhcompy: Considering Democrats are still upset about Florida 2000, I'd think that integrity of elections would be paramount.


As with everything political, it matters when and who has what to lose. Not about increasing integrity. Honestly the they're too poor argument is pretty silly though.
 
2012-10-02 12:18:51 PM  

Bendal: I bet you did, though, when you registered to vote.

That's how it works here in NC. When you register, you have to show ID that proves you live there. After that, you just show up to vote at your precinct, state your name and address, get the form and go vote. The poll worker checks your name off the list and that's that. If you change address, or name, you have to go re-register, and show your new ID indicating the changed address or name.


So if these people that are complaining already showed ID once to register, what's the big deal? Clearly they have ID, right?
 
2012-10-02 12:18:59 PM  

Eagles409: I love how liberals just assume that poor people and minorities are too stupid to get a free ID card.


Why are you projecting your own stereotypes of people?
 
2012-10-02 12:19:24 PM  

Eagles409: I love how liberals just assume that poor people and minorities are too stupid to get a free ID card.


If you're looking for the most recent GOP voter ID talking point, this is it. This, exactly, all over twitter.
 
2012-10-02 12:19:28 PM  
ct.fra.bz
 
2012-10-02 12:20:06 PM  

Theaetetus: Except that even on a national holiday, there are still places open - gas stations, restaurants, convenience stores, grocery stores, etc. And who works on holidays? Poor people who really need the overtime.
Make it a two-day holiday with a requirement that no worker can work both days, and you'd have something though.


It could be done in one day if shifts are split so everyone has at least a 4 hour window to vote.
But I like this two days idea. Cast your ballot and head to the bar. Spend the rest of the day drinking and yelling at the television as the results come in, and then you have a whole day after that to recover.
 
2012-10-02 12:20:25 PM  

Rwa2play: Eagles409: I love how liberals just assume that poor people and minorities are too stupid to get a free ID card.

Why are you projecting your own stereotypes of people?


Because it's a troll, baby!
A paid shill.
 
2012-10-02 12:20:39 PM  

olddinosaur: someonelse: olddinosaur: There are between 12 and 20 million illegals in the USA, and as near as I can tell, most of them vote.

citation needed

Go to google and key in "illegal immigrant voting," and you will find about 8.5 million of these citation thingies you love so well.

RTFP, doofus.


I located approximately 5,600,000 "citations" for the claim that Bush is a war criminal. For what reason, then, has he not been brought to trial?

/Citing the number of results from a Google search is effectively an admission of an inability to support a claim.
 
2012-10-02 12:20:47 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Eagles409: I love how liberals just assume that poor people and minorities are too stupid to get a free ID card.

If you're looking for the most recent GOP voter ID talking point, this is it. This, exactly, all over twitter.


That, and they'd never voter for Romney any way.

//well, they won't now, dipsh*t
 
2012-10-02 12:20:47 PM  

Maul555: I see there is an avalanche of liberal derp...

/still trying to figure out why Texas was struck down
//Free ID and a free ride to go get it...


Sounds racist
 
2012-10-02 12:21:04 PM  

iheartscotch: So; if Romney wins in November; you won't complain if a few thousand votes were fraudulent. A few thousand votes could easily be the margin for victory.


Voter ID laws do not stop fraudulent voting, which is typically caused by people who already have valid IDs.
 
2012-10-02 12:21:09 PM  

Eagles409: I love how liberals just assume that poor people and minorities are too stupid to get a free ID card.


I love how some Conservatives, such as yourself, just assume that ID cards, at least ones that are issued by a state or federal government, are free.
 
2012-10-02 12:21:20 PM  

Theaetetus: Alonjar: WTF? You dont have to show ID?

What could possibly go wrong?

Someone could spend a day driving around and hitting as many as a dozen polling places (given travel time and time standing in line)? Why, they could vote 11 more times than others...

Pennsylvania 2008 results:
Barack Obama 3,192,316
John McCain 2,586,496
Ralph Nader 41,520
Bob Barr 19,926

... resulting in less of an effect on the election than .1% of Bob Barr's supporters did.


I AM THE 0.1%!
 
2012-10-02 12:21:29 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Eagles409: I love how liberals just assume that poor people and minorities are too stupid to get a free ID card.

If you're looking for the most recent GOP voter ID talking point, this is it. This, exactly, all over twitter.


One of the big go-tos. Hypocrisy, Projection, and Deflection.
 
2012-10-02 12:22:06 PM  
It's only "free" if you steal it.
 
2012-10-02 12:22:10 PM  

Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still


You sure? Are you REALLY Sure it's just sarcasm?
/The Troll is strong with this headline
 
2012-10-02 12:22:24 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-02 12:22:35 PM  

Joe Blowme: Valid photo identification is required for the things that follow:
adopt a pet
purchase a home
purchase an automobile
purchase a gun
obtain a bank account
obtain a credit card
obtain a passport
write a check
make a credit card purchase
apply for a loan to purchase anything
to prove your age
to get married
to receive a marriage license
to drive
to buy a house
to close on a house
to get medical care
to get on a plane
to get insurance on anything
to get a job
to get a post office box
to get a hunting license
to get a fishing license
to get a business license
to cash a paycheck
rent an apartment
rent a hotel room
rent a car
rent furniture
rent tools and equipment
receive welfare
receive social security
receive food stamps
buy cigarettes
buy alcohol
buy a bus ticket
buy a cell phone
buy any antihistimine
go in to a casino
go in to a bar
go to college
have your water turned on
have your electricity turned on
have your cable turned on
have your gas turned on
obtain trash pick up service
pick up a package from the post office
pick up a package from fed ex
pick up a package from ups
pick up a prescription

So the people without id to vote never do any of these thigs either, right?


But, but, poor people never do any of that...
 
2012-10-02 12:22:57 PM  

BarrRepublican: Theaetetus: Alonjar: WTF? You dont have to show ID?

What could possibly go wrong?

Someone could spend a day driving around and hitting as many as a dozen polling places (given travel time and time standing in line)? Why, they could vote 11 more times than others...

Pennsylvania 2008 results:
Barack Obama 3,192,316
John McCain 2,586,496
Ralph Nader 41,520
Bob Barr 19,926

... resulting in less of an effect on the election than .1% of Bob Barr's supporters did.

I AM THE 0.1%!


Bob, it's time the porn mustache took a holiday.
 
2012-10-02 12:23:09 PM  
The point that a lot of people seem to be missing is that even though a photo ID isn't required, you still have to provide sufficient proof that you are who you say you are.

KRS 117.227 Confirmation of voter's identity.
Election officers shall confirm the identity of each voter by personal acquaintance or by a document, such as a motor vehicle operator's license, Social Security card, or credit card. The election officer confirming the identity shall sign the precinct voter roster and list the method of identification.

No photo needed.
Your state laws and mileage may vary.
 
2012-10-02 12:23:28 PM  

Theaetetus: Poor people frequently get paid in cash. The ones who get paid in checks frequently don't have bank accounts, and instead take them to check cashing places who will take 15% and not require ID and/or will simply check off a box saying 'checked ID' on a form without actually needing to look at said ID.


As someone who has been poor and used one of those check cashing places, they'll make an ID for you, not a state ID just one for their check cashing place, and charge you for it. If you can't afford to pay for a state ID, the fee for that and the percent they take off of the check is a far larger amount of money than getting a state ID and going to a bank.
 
2012-10-02 12:23:31 PM  
Giltric: "The free IDs have already been cited via articles and PENNDOTs own website....care to try again?"

Cited as what? being a joke? Up until about a week ago they had enough unnecessary hoops to jump through that they didn't actually alleviate any concerns about disenfranchisement.
(proof of residence? like, what a water bill? Try meeting that bar in a dorm or retirement home.)
Now, even with the relaxed rules, they're still a joke. (if you're not already registered to vote, you can't get the ID you need to vote. clear as mud, no?)
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/19659771/pa-voter-id-law

And it's farkin *October* and that process is still half-baked? Gee, I wonder why...

It's bad enough that we don't allow people time off from work to vote. Or open the polls on Sunday as a matter of course.
But to go out of your way to make it harder for people to vote in the name of combating a problem that doesn't exist?

And from the party that's supposedly all about 'framers intentions' and liberty and healthy suspicion of the government?
Come the fark on. It's dirty pool and you've got to be either ignorant of the facts, paid or a partisan cheerleader to defend this shiat.
 
2012-10-02 12:23:32 PM  

Joe Blowme: Valid photo identification is required for the things that follow:
adopt a pet
purchase a home
purchase an automobile
purchase a gun
obtain a bank account
obtain a credit card
obtain a passport
write a check
make a credit card purchase
apply for a loan to purchase anything
to prove your age
to get married
to receive a marriage license
to drive
to buy a house
to close on a house
to get medical care
to get on a plane
to get insurance on anything
to get a job
to get a post office box
to get a hunting license
to get a fishing license
to get a business license
to cash a paycheck
rent an apartment
rent a hotel room
rent a car
rent furniture
rent tools and equipment
receive welfare
receive social security
receive food stamps
buy cigarettes
buy alcohol
buy a bus ticket
buy a cell phone
buy any antihistimine
go in to a casino
go in to a bar
go to college
have your water turned on
have your electricity turned on
have your cable turned on
have your gas turned on
obtain trash pick up service
pick up a package from the post office
pick up a package from fed ex
pick up a package from ups
pick up a prescription

So the people without id to vote never do any of these thigs either, right?


First off, some of those people can and do without ID, especially in rural areas. For instance, my uncle was postmaster of a small, Texas town and getting a package to my mamaw was as easy as putting her name and zip code on it.

Second, incredulity isn't data. The data shows that a lot of people don't have the damn things.(Certainly a vastly larger number than those committing voter fraud) So you are either typing a lengthy red herring or doubting the data. Both are crappy arguments.
 
2012-10-02 12:23:37 PM  

Marine1: Joe Blowme: Valid photo identification is required for the things that follow:
adopt a pet
purchase a home
purchase an automobile
purchase a gun
obtain a bank account
obtain a credit card
obtain a passport
write a check
make a credit card purchase
apply for a loan to purchase anything
to prove your age
to get married
to receive a marriage license
to drive
to buy a house
to close on a house
to get medical care
to get on a plane
to get insurance on anything
to get a job
to get a post office box
to get a hunting license
to get a fishing license
to get a business license
to cash a paycheck
rent an apartment
rent a hotel room
rent a car
rent furniture
rent tools and equipment
receive welfare
receive social security
receive food stamps
buy cigarettes
buy alcohol
buy a bus ticket
buy a cell phone
buy any antihistimine
go in to a casino
go in to a bar
go to college
have your water turned on
have your electricity turned on
have your cable turned on
have your gas turned on
obtain trash pick up service
pick up a package from the post office
pick up a package from fed ex
pick up a package from ups
pick up a prescription

So the people without id to vote never do any of these thigs either, right?

But, but, poor people never do any of that...


It's beautiful when trolls / low-information voters internet fist-bump.
 
2012-10-02 12:23:46 PM  

Eagles409: I love how liberals just assume that poor people and minorities are too stupid to get a free ID card.


Let me guess...this is part of the "Dem policies are racist because they think blacks are too stupid to know what's good for them" theory.

Which is then followed by reasons why Repub policies are actually better for blacks, but they don't know what's good for them and only vote for Dems because they're lazy and stupid and want free stuff.

mmmmderp
 
2012-10-02 12:24:15 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Eagles409: I love how liberals just assume that poor people and minorities are too stupid to get a free ID card.

If you're looking for the most recent GOP voter ID talking point, this is it. This, exactly, all over twitter.


Actually, the GOP planned on it. That's why they felt these laws would disenfranchise the poor and brown.

If these policies get enacted with a bit of leeway - like in 2013, I think the GOP will be shocked how many poor and brown people get their free ID card.
 
2012-10-02 12:24:49 PM  

justtray: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: King Something: OhLuverly: Haven't been following this much so if someone would please clear this up, how is requiring a state issued ID to vote a barrier to poor folks voting?

The IDs required are not free; hence, it's a poll tax.

The free IDs have already been cited via articles and PENNDOTs own website....care to try again?

Can you get them by sitting in your house and not spending money on a) birth certificate copy b) bus fare?

People are usually highly motivated to get free stuff....look at how much time effort and planning is put into robbing a clothing store with organized crews of unemployed democrats.....

Getting off your ass to get a job or a free ID is hard though....so lets go spend 5 hours striiping all the wire and copper pipe out of an abandoned home so we can get 14$ at the scrap yard.

Ok, so where is the problem? 0.00003% of votes from 2003-2007. Where is the F*CKING problem?

300 million guns in the United states and 30k deaths from guns including suicide......where is the problem?

A factor of 1000, a false equivilency, and the fact that one of those consequences is an additional vote, where the other is a dead person.

Are you that much of an imbecile to think you had a real argument?


Whats worse....the death from a suicide or the thousands or millions of deaths (depending on whos body count website you use) caused by Bushs terms?

See how much more dangerous getting the wrong person into office by a .0003% margin is?
 
2012-10-02 12:25:04 PM  
So we're at that point in the thread where the first group of trolls have had their arguments completely curb-stomped, and the second wave rolls in to make exactly the same discredited arguments like they never happened.

Alrighty then. I'm done.
 
2012-10-02 12:25:23 PM  

Marine1: Joe Blowme: Valid photo identification is required for the things that follow:

But, but, poor people never do any of that...


You were already told that ID is not a requirement for nearly all of those things, but you've chosen to ignore it with delfections. No one is going to take you seriously if you keep up your barriers to fact. The FACTS are IDs are not a legal requirement to nearly ALL of those listed. Address the point directly, or discontinue this meritless line or argument. Or just become fully ignored like I'm sure most people have you already set to.
 
2012-10-02 12:25:24 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-02 12:25:45 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Maul555: I see there is an avalanche of liberal derp...

/still trying to figure out why Texas was struck down
//Free ID and a free ride to go get it...

If the government provides something, it isn't "free."
Do you also own a "free" mobility scooter?


From the ruling against the law:

"A law that forces poorer citizens to choose between their wages and their franchise unquestionably denies or abridges their right to vote..."

Texas would have offered free voting certificates to voters, but the court felt that the time a potential voter would have had to take to obtain such a certificate would impose a substantial and unusual burden on lower-income communities, as they would almost assuredly have had to forgo wages in order to get the certificate.
 
2012-10-02 12:26:44 PM  

Giltric: justtray: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: King Something: OhLuverly: Haven't been following this much so if someone would please clear this up, how is requiring a state issued ID to vote a barrier to poor folks voting?

The IDs required are not free; hence, it's a poll tax.

The free IDs have already been cited via articles and PENNDOTs own website....care to try again?

Can you get them by sitting in your house and not spending money on a) birth certificate copy b) bus fare?

People are usually highly motivated to get free stuff....look at how much time effort and planning is put into robbing a clothing store with organized crews of unemployed democrats.....

Getting off your ass to get a job or a free ID is hard though....so lets go spend 5 hours striiping all the wire and copper pipe out of an abandoned home so we can get 14$ at the scrap yard.

Ok, so where is the problem? 0.00003% of votes from 2003-2007. Where is the F*CKING problem?

300 million guns in the United states and 30k deaths from guns including suicide......where is the problem?

A factor of 1000, a false equivilency, and the fact that one of those consequences is an additional vote, where the other is a dead person.

Are you that much of an imbecile to think you had a real argument?

Whats worse....the death from a suicide or the thousands or millions of deaths (depending on whos body count website you use) caused by Bushs terms?

See how much more dangerous getting the wrong person into office by a .0003% margin is?


Except, Trisomy 21 guy, it's 0.00003%, not 0.0003%, and it's never happened before. C'mon, cognitive dissonance dude, your party needs you to stand up and yell "SMALL GOVERNMENT, you F*CKTARDS!" Be that patriot Eagle with tears in his eyes, setting the derpers straight. Be bold, be brave!
 
2012-10-02 12:27:09 PM  

LeoffDaGrate: Eagles409: I love how liberals just assume that poor people and minorities are too stupid to get a free ID card.

I love how some Conservatives, such as yourself, just assume that ID cards, at least ones that are issued by a state or federal government, are free.


Probably because in this instance it has been cited time and time again that the actual IDs are provided free by the state of Pennsylvania.
 
2012-10-02 12:27:26 PM  

Theaetetus: This text is now purple: dustygrimp: Because the .00004% of votes cast that were proven fraudulent over the last 4 years is a big problem.

Margin of victory for Kennedy over Nixon, 1960: 0.013%.
Margin of victory for Bush over Gore, 2000: 0.002%.

It doesn't necessarily take much to swing an election.

You realize that you're three and two orders of magnitude off, respectively?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x221]
What an order of magnitude may look like.


Your own sources indicate the rate you cite is optimistic.
 
2012-10-02 12:27:37 PM  
you silly americans think because you get to vote one day every four years you some bastion of democracy
 
2012-10-02 12:27:42 PM  

Giltric: justtray: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: King Something: OhLuverly: Haven't been following this much so if someone would please clear this up, how is requiring a state issued ID to vote a barrier to poor folks voting?

The IDs required are not free; hence, it's a poll tax.

The free IDs have already been cited via articles and PENNDOTs own website....care to try again?

Can you get them by sitting in your house and not spending money on a) birth certificate copy b) bus fare?

People are usually highly motivated to get free stuff....look at how much time effort and planning is put into robbing a clothing store with organized crews of unemployed democrats.....

Getting off your ass to get a job or a free ID is hard though....so lets go spend 5 hours striiping all the wire and copper pipe out of an abandoned home so we can get 14$ at the scrap yard.

Ok, so where is the problem? 0.00003% of votes from 2003-2007. Where is the F*CKING problem?

300 million guns in the United states and 30k deaths from guns including suicide......where is the problem?

A factor of 1000, a false equivilency, and the fact that one of those consequences is an additional vote, where the other is a dead person.

Are you that much of an imbecile to think you had a real argument?

Whats worse....the death from a suicide or the thousands or millions of deaths (depending on whos body count website you use) caused by Bushs terms?

See how much more dangerous getting the wrong person into office by a .0003% margin is?


You could have just said you were an imbecile...

I'm sure you're familiar with this line. "Welcome to ignore!"
 
2012-10-02 12:28:08 PM  
Mexican Passport would be ok, no?
 
2012-10-02 12:28:16 PM  
bartink:

So you dont need an ID for those things in your world? Do they have unicorns that fart rainbows too?
 
2012-10-02 12:28:56 PM  

Great_Milenko: Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving (this applies to urban poor)
Purchasing a firearm (only if you buy it from a gun shop or bought it in the last decade or so)
Carrying a firearm (only if you bother to get a concealed carry permit)
Cashing a check (no idea how check cashing stores work, but an ID that works there might not work at the polls)
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID?

They're called poor people. I've taken the liberty of striking out the activities that poor people don't do, and bolding the ones where you're just plain wrong, along with a few notes here and there.


You can certainly use a debit or credit card without showing an ID, I do it all the time. I've never seen anybody ask for ID when using a debit card, and I'd be somewhat suspicious if they did.

Walmart offers everything you need to live without an ID. You can get a prepaid credit or debit card which is refilled with direct deposit. It's pretty nice, actually. You can also cash government and business checks there.

The only things you supposedly can't do without an ID at Walmart is cash third party checks or buy alcohol or tobacco, and the last two aren't usually a problem if you look old enough. I may have some problems with Walmart, but they are incredibly helpful to poor people.
 
2012-10-02 12:29:03 PM  
What's so good about this? Is it so wrong to verify someone is who they say they are and properly registered before you vote? Seriously, it takes like 2 freakin' seconds to whip that card out.

You get carded when you buy a gun, or buy booze and all sorts of other crap... what's so different about casting in a vote to decide who runs out entire country for 4 more years?
 
2012-10-02 12:29:22 PM  

Joe Blowme: Valid photo identification is required for the things that follow:
adopt a pet
purchase a home
purchase an automobile
purchase a gun
obtain a bank account
obtain a credit card
obtain a passport
write a check
make a credit card purchase
apply for a loan to purchase anything
to prove your age
to get married
to receive a marriage license
to drive
to buy a house
to close on a house
to get medical care
to get on a plane
to get insurance on anything
to get a job
to get a post office box
to get a hunting license
to get a fishing license
to get a business license
to cash a paycheck
rent an apartment
rent a hotel room
rent a car
rent furniture
rent tools and equipment
receive welfare
receive social security
receive food stamps
buy cigarettes
buy alcohol
buy a bus ticket
buy a cell phone
buy any antihistimine
go in to a casino
go in to a bar
go to college
have your water turned on
have your electricity turned on
have your cable turned on
have your gas turned on
obtain trash pick up service
pick up a package from the post office
pick up a package from fed ex
pick up a package from ups
pick up a prescription

So the people without id to vote never do any of these thigs either, right?


Only one of those is a Constitutionally-guaranteed right - and the party that predominantly supports voter ID law (Republican) has a history of fighting fervently against the gun control laws that require you to go through a thorough identification process and background checks before purchasing a firearm.

And that is hypocrisy, plain and simple.
 
2012-10-02 12:29:32 PM  
Here's an idea, you have 4 years and about 30 days to get an ID for the net election. If you can't then you may not be able to prove you are who you are and your vote will not be counted. you an still vote though.

/my stupid 2 cents.
 
2012-10-02 12:29:36 PM  
hey dumbasses!

It ain't the "poor and elderly" they are trying to stop voting.

It is the illegals!
You know the ones who should not be able to vote.

They vote, by large, for Democrats.
 
2012-10-02 12:29:46 PM  

aug3: you silly americans think because you get to vote one day every four years you some bastion of democracy


Elections are held every two years.

Just sayin'
 
2012-10-02 12:29:49 PM  

lemurs: iheartscotch: So; if Romney wins in November; you won't complain if a few thousand votes were fraudulent. A few thousand votes could easily be the margin for victory.

Voter ID laws do not stop fraudulent voting, which is typically caused by people who already have valid IDs.


I never said it would stop voter fraud; states should compaire voter rolls and investigate duplicates. The states themselves should check for duplicates with their own system; and verify the status of the voters. Would you be in favor of assigning a "voter number" to everyone? It could even be your social security number. Or maybe a blood scan?

/ I am open to suggestions
 
2012-10-02 12:29:57 PM  

coeyagi: Marine1: Joe Blowme: Valid photo identification is required for the things that follow:
adopt a pet
purchase a home
purchase an automobile
purchase a gun
obtain a bank account
obtain a credit card
obtain a passport
write a check
make a credit card purchase
apply for a loan to purchase anything
to prove your age
to get married
to receive a marriage license
to drive
to buy a house
to close on a house
to get medical care
to get on a plane
to get insurance on anything
to get a job
to get a post office box
to get a hunting license
to get a fishing license
to get a business license
to cash a paycheck
rent an apartment
rent a hotel room
rent a car
rent furniture
rent tools and equipment
receive welfare
receive social security
receive food stamps
buy cigarettes
buy alcohol
buy a bus ticket
buy a cell phone
buy any antihistimine
go in to a casino
go in to a bar
go to college
have your water turned on
have your electricity turned on
have your cable turned on
have your gas turned on
obtain trash pick up service
pick up a package from the post office
pick up a package from fed ex
pick up a package from ups
pick up a prescription

So the people without id to vote never do any of these thigs either, right?

But, but, poor people never do any of that...

It's beautiful when trolls / low-information voters internet fist-bump.


As oppsoed to what? Ignore facts like you? I realise this is FARK but why do you hate facts? Which one is wrong?
 
2012-10-02 12:30:11 PM  

aug3: you silly americans think because you get to vote one day every four years you some bastion of democracy


www.personal.psu.edu
 
2012-10-02 12:31:16 PM  

coeyagi: Giltric: justtray: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: King Something: OhLuverly: Haven't been following this much so if someone would please clear this up, how is requiring a state issued ID to vote a barrier to poor folks voting?

The IDs required are not free; hence, it's a poll tax.

The free IDs have already been cited via articles and PENNDOTs own website....care to try again?

Can you get them by sitting in your house and not spending money on a) birth certificate copy b) bus fare?

People are usually highly motivated to get free stuff....look at how much time effort and planning is put into robbing a clothing store with organized crews of unemployed democrats.....

Getting off your ass to get a job or a free ID is hard though....so lets go spend 5 hours striiping all the wire and copper pipe out of an abandoned home so we can get 14$ at the scrap yard.

Ok, so where is the problem? 0.00003% of votes from 2003-2007. Where is the F*CKING problem?

300 million guns in the United states and 30k deaths from guns including suicide......where is the problem?

A factor of 1000, a false equivilency, and the fact that one of those consequences is an additional vote, where the other is a dead person.

Are you that much of an imbecile to think you had a real argument?

Whats worse....the death from a suicide or the thousands or millions of deaths (depending on whos body count website you use) caused by Bushs terms?

See how much more dangerous getting the wrong person into office by a .0003% margin is?

Except, Trisomy 21 guy, it's 0.00003%, not 0.0003%, and it's never happened before. C'mon, cognitive dissonance dude, your party needs you to stand up and yell "SMALL GOVERNMENT, you F*CKTARDS!" Be that patriot Eagle with tears in his eyes, setting the derpers straight. Be bold, be brave!


This coming from the guy who posts red state vs blue state welfare charts that are 10 years old?

Are you defending the poor republicans or the poor democrats right to not have to get off the couch and go get a free state ID?
 
2012-10-02 12:31:39 PM  
It happens so often, it's rote.
The right disenfranchises votes.
But they look like clowns:
Each law gets struck down.
Permit me to take time to gloat

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