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2012-10-02 11:41:18 AM  

olddinosaur: There are between 12 and 20 million illegals in the USA, and as near as I can tell, most of them vote.


citation needed
 
2012-10-02 11:41:19 AM  

Aarontology: "Simpson ordered the state not to enforce the photo ID requirement in this year's presidential election but will allow it to go into full effect next year."

Oh, the Republicans are going to be pissed off they're getting what they wanted, but not in time to achieve their disenfranchisement goals.


THIS

in light of the SAC job and voter registration fraud, i'd say as a country we need voting reform from the ground up. that being said, the time to do ANY of that is not 6 months before a presidential election. thats not even thinly veiled voter suppression, its outright blatant.

/IMHO illegal aliens should be allowed to vote
//just by living here, you should have a voice in how you are governed
///would be closer to democracy than what we currently have
 
2012-10-02 11:41:20 AM  

Leeds: Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap


Good talk bro.
 
2012-10-02 11:41:28 AM  

I_C_Weener: Leeds: THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.


But its inconvenient.  And so are going to the polls.  I mean get out of bed and sometime between 6am and 8pm go somewhere in your neighborhood to vote.  Its unconscionable.


I can pay my taxes whenever and wherever. Why do I have to get out of bed to vote? It's retarded.
 
2012-10-02 11:41:54 AM  

Leeds: Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?


Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap


Project much?
 
2012-10-02 11:42:07 AM  

darkedgefan: Yea, it is OK to ask people for IDs for alcohol and smokes, but not to vote! nooooooo!


It's amazing how many morons think this is an actual argument
 
2012-10-02 11:42:17 AM  

moothemagiccow: Giltric: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.

the ID is free the law was passed in June or July.

Leave it to democrats to procrastinate and complain about having to pay for something that is free......

Not charging $20 does not make it free. The DMV has set hours and a set place that conflicts with many people's work schedule and mobility. The polls already have these time and place restrictions. Why do we need more?


How do you get a job without proper ID? How do you cash the check the job gives you without ID?
 
2012-10-02 11:42:24 AM  

Leeds: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.

THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.

From the government page linked just above:
Since the Pennsylvania Voter ID law was enacted in March, PennDOT has been working closely with the Department of State to ensure that every voter has the opportunity to obtain photo identification. If you don't possess photo identification for voting purposes, you will be able to obtain a new Department of State voter identification card for free by visiting a PennDOT Driver License Center.

How can people in this thread still be pretending that the normal $12 for a 4 year drivers license still applies here? That $3 a year fee is not even applicable, as these ID's are FREE.

// Sorry for all the yelling, I'm pissed that people are being misled by the Democrats


I like how you missed the second part of my post: and make sure people have enough time to get one,

They tried to pass this law with less than a few months to get these. What do you think would happened if thousands of old people tried getting a free voter ID in the next 6 weeks?
 
2012-10-02 11:42:24 AM  

Leeds: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.

THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.

From the government page linked just above:
Since the Pennsylvania Voter ID law was enacted in March, PennDOT has been working closely with the Department of State to ensure that every voter has the opportunity to obtain photo identification. If you don't possess photo identification for voting purposes, you will be able to obtain a new Department of State voter identification card for free by visiting a PennDOT Driver License Center.

How can people in this thread still be pretending that the normal $12 for a 4 year drivers license still applies here? That $3 a year fee is not even applicable, as these ID's are FREE.

// Sorry for all the yelling, I'm pissed that people are being misled by the Democrats


Kind of like how there's no purpose to have voter ID laws because voter fraud literally doesn't happen, well except for by the Republicans. But don't let the premise of your argument to have the law in the first place ironically shoot down your stupid post.
 
2012-10-02 11:42:56 AM  

Biff_Steel: Can't we just dip our fingers in ink and do away with these shenanigans?



I would prefer every voter poll have an open bar.  If you vote, you get free drinks the rest of the day.  No one is going to then take the time to go poll to poll and keep voting.  Interferes with drinking time.
 
2012-10-02 11:42:57 AM  

iheartscotch: The actual issue is people that live in two states. New York and Florida for example. It is POSSIBLE that a snow bird could POTENTIALLY vote in both states. I know, I know; it's a bit of a stretch; but that doesn't change the fact that it could happen.

/ I know; I'm worse than hitler


And how does this law stop this? Also, what percent of voting population could that apply to, is it even as high as .01% ?
 
2012-10-02 11:43:03 AM  

Leeds: Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?


Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap


You didn't answer the question.

Should they then lose their ability to vote?
 
2012-10-02 11:43:06 AM  
Well *I* certainly don't know anyone without photo ID, therefore they do not exist.
 
2012-10-02 11:43:18 AM  
if this is such an issue rather than a last minute attempt to steal an election why wasn't it a major issue in 2009-2011 when there was no presidential election right around the corner
 
2012-10-02 11:43:21 AM  

Leeds: Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?


Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap


I'd love to hear your tune if they switched to online voting and your mother didn't have a computer.
 
2012-10-02 11:43:29 AM  

vpb: Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?

Yes, poor people transfer large amounts of money and travel to foreign countries all the time.
I can see that Republican grasp on reality is as loose as ever.


I'm not saying that they do all the time. I'm just giving an example of stuff you need a photo ID for.

Point is this: regardless of what you think of the law (I'm indifferent), people need an ID, and if they don't have one, they're more or less screwed as far as opportunity in our society. Instead of pointing to minorities and the poor and disabled and elderly and saying "take pity upon them, they're just not able to help themselves", let's forget the Voter ID law for a few seconds and put some legislation that does the following:

Makes it illegal to deny a worker time off to go get a state-issued photo ID
Makes it free for anyone to get an ID if they so choose
Lets those who may not know how to get an ID or unable to get one in the current system get one in a process they can use and understand

And for the last freakin' time, I'm not a Republican supporter any more. Johnson will probably get my vote come November... which is a freaking disappointing election to get your first chance to vote for a president in.
 
2012-10-02 11:43:30 AM  

I_C_Weener: But its inconvenient. And so are going to the polls. I mean get out of bed and sometime between 6am and 8pm go somewhere in your neighborhood to vote. Its unconscionable.


Can you get a voter ID at the same location at the same hours? No? You have to go across town and wait in a 6 hour line for a window that's only open for two hours on a Thursday, and if you're not in the front of the line, you have to come back the next week? You mean that one thing may be convenient and the other may not? Heavens!
 
2012-10-02 11:43:30 AM  
I'm totally fine with having to present photo ID at a voting booth, so this law seems like a good idea. However, is the fact that they tried to pass it weeks before the election the reason that everyone is pissed off about it?

/Republican, non tea party
//still on the voting fence
///I know, even thinking of voting for Romney makes me the antiChrist, blah blah
////If only Hunstman had won the nomination..
 
2012-10-02 11:43:38 AM  

hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.


Given all the voter fraud the GOP gets away with constantly, it's been legal for a while. They won their two most recent presidential elections through it.
QQ more because you can't disenfranchise voters for your beloved nazi party.
 
2012-10-02 11:43:47 AM  

Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving (this applies to urban poor)
Purchasing a firearm (only if you buy it from a gun shop or bought it in the last decade or so)
Carrying a firearm (only if you bother to get a concealed carry permit)
Cashing a check (no idea how check cashing stores work, but an ID that works there might not work at the polls)
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college
Getting a passport

Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol

Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it) - irrelevant for PA
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on


With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID?


They're called poor people. I've taken the liberty of striking out the activities that poor people don't do, and bolding the ones where you're just plain wrong, along with a few notes here and there.
 
2012-10-02 11:43:50 AM  

Giltric: How do you get a job without proper ID? How do you cash the check the job gives you without ID?


The answer to both: Under the table jobs that pay straight cash.

They're pretty common.
 
2012-10-02 11:44:01 AM  
This news makes my dick hard.
 
2012-10-02 11:44:02 AM  

someonelse: iheartscotch: The actual issue is people that live in two states. New York and Florida for example. It is POSSIBLE that a snow bird could POTENTIALLY vote in both states. I know, I know; it's a bit of a stretch; but that doesn't change the fact that it could happen.

Voter ID laws don't fix that.


Never said they did; I feel that each state should compare voter rolls and actually investigate duplicates.

As to the voter id issue; you are now required to show an employer your social security card and your id. You are required to show your social security card if you rent a house. You are required to produce your id if you are pulled over. You are required to produce your id if you expect to pay instate tuition at a college.

A lot of important things require Ids; I understand it is possible to loose your Id; I understand it is hard to replace a lost id. I feel that the most important right as an American citizen should be protected from fraud as much as possible. Would you be in favor of blood scans to prove identity as aposed to a physical Id?
 
2012-10-02 11:44:12 AM  

hetheeme: 2wolves: hetheeme: Rwa2play: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

Yes because it's Democrats AND ONLY Democrats that commit voter fraud.

Maybe you should try using Google before you say something this asinine.

Voter fraud help whoever has control of the political machine in the area. If Republicans win due to fraud, then throw those bastards out as well. The machine in PA is solid blue, so allowing fraud there helps Democrats out more than it would Republicans.

On any level, from any party, voter intimidation, voter fraud, and voter disenfranchisement are wrong.

If it means paying a little more from the state for a free version of the state IDs that are already issued, that can be used to make sure that one person, one vote means just that, then so be it.

oh and 2wolves: Bag of Hammers: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

*notsureifserious*

Lubbock TX, you make the call.

You are a bigot.

With regards to TEXANS? Bet your ass I am. But not with Texans. I make that call.

Gotta give you credit, at least you admit your bigotry.


When most of them support that goofball Rick Perry and rewriting science books, can you blame him?
 
2012-10-02 11:44:18 AM  

moothemagiccow: I_C_Weener: Leeds: THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.


But its inconvenient.  And so are going to the polls.  I mean get out of bed and sometime between 6am and 8pm go somewhere in your neighborhood to vote.  Its unconscionable.

I can pay my taxes whenever and wherever. Why do I have to get out of bed to vote? It's retarded.



If you don't vote, the IRS won't come after you. 
 
If American Idol required voter ID, there'd be a revolution!!!
 
2012-10-02 11:44:22 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Phweew. For a minute there I thought I was going to have to show ID to vote...

.....after I verify my address then sign my name and have it authorized by two present voting officials.

I think I'll vote ALL THE TIMES


i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-02 11:44:26 AM  

WTFDYW: bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?

It doesn't prohibit you from having one. They cost money to obtain. I've heard they cost around $30.00 in this part of Ohio.


Also, they need to take time of their day to get one even if it is for free which could mean the difference between eating that day or voting.

Also with the provisional ballot BS they now have to take even more time off to prove thier voter status.
 
2012-10-02 11:44:31 AM  
Widespread voter fraud has never existed. It's is a myth, a boogieman that the right wing invented to scare White People into thinking the n!gg3rs and sp!cs are going to steal the election and put Amurca-haters in charge. What has been a problem in the past for BOTH parties is election fraud. This has nothing to do with voters and they don't even know it happens. This is how George W. Bush won an Ohio district in 2004, when it was 90% Democrat and 65% Black and how he won Duvall County Florida in 2000, where some 39,000 uncounted ballots from Democratic precincts were found in a closet some months after the election. It's the same way John F. Kennedy won Texas in 1960. In the later case, LBJ was dispatched to texas with suitcases (literally) full of cash, to buy votes and pay off the right people.
 
2012-10-02 11:45:24 AM  

Marine1: FlashHarry: Marine1: With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID?

old people and poor people who are still americans with a constitutionally guaranteed right to vote.

Dude, if you don't have an ID, you're off the farking grid these days. I mean, no ID? None? Whatsoever?


So, if you are off the grid, you shouldn't be allowed to vote?

All the CSB's about how "I don't know anyone without an ID" does not mean there are people who don't have one. I'd also like to know if the CSB people ask everyone they know for an ID when they interact with them.

As someone from Minnesota, and who watched almost every minute of the Franken/Coleman re-count, I can actually say "CSB, the chance of voter fraud is so small that it makes Voter ID laws not only frivolous, but uses taxpayer money for absolutely no reason."
 
2012-10-02 11:45:25 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?

And we're now trusting polling place workers with inspecting IDs? With no training whatsoever?

All to fix a problem that does not exist in any significant way.


I'm a polling place worker. I am awesome.

I agree- this is solution in need of a problem, absolutely. But I'm pointing out that there IS a legal and constitutional way to do this, if we decide it has to be done.
 
2012-10-02 11:45:57 AM  

Disposable Rob: Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?

I liked how you list things that only people with money do. You do have the sense to realize that poverty is a major disadvantage, though. Some of us try to focus on that, but then Republicans complain that poor people own refrigerators and get government cell phones.


Yes, because poor people don't live in apartments, don't purchase any tobacco or cigarettes, don't cash paychecks, and don't drive.

That's shiat you do no matter what your income level.
 
2012-10-02 11:45:59 AM  

what_now: Leeds: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.

THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.

From the government page linked just above:
Since the Pennsylvania Voter ID law was enacted in March, PennDOT has been working closely with the Department of State to ensure that every voter has the opportunity to obtain photo identification. If you don't possess photo identification for voting purposes, you will be able to obtain a new Department of State voter identification card for free by visiting a PennDOT Driver License Center.

How can people in this thread still be pretending that the normal $12 for a 4 year drivers license still applies here? That $3 a year fee is not even applicable, as these ID's are FREE.

// Sorry for all the yelling, I'm pissed that people are being misled by the Democrats

I like how you missed the second part of my post: and make sure people have enough time to get one,

They tried to pass this law with less than a few months to get these. What do you think would happened if thousands of old people tried getting a free voter ID in the next 6 weeks?


Did you skip over my entire post, or just the part that said that these ID's have been free since March? As in, 7 months ago they became free.

Do these "disenfranchised legal voters" you seem to believe in wait 7 months before buying toilet paper when they run out? And TP costs money, unlike voter ID's...
 
2012-10-02 11:46:08 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Leeds: Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?


Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap

You didn't answer the question.

Should they then lose their ability to vote?


Then they have to pass the "Well, who are you planning to vote for?" test. There's only one correct response and if they fail the test, they don't get to vote.
 
2012-10-02 11:46:12 AM  
Marine1: "I mean, no ID? None? Whatsoever?"

That's just the thing. The law requires a subset of IDs. Keep in mind the legalese.
You can do pretty much all of the things in your list of "shiat you need an ID for" without a current, in-state, updated-address, contains-a-picture ID*.

There is no voter impersonation fraud *problem*. People keep looking for it, but it just doesn't exist.
This shiat is strictly about disenfranchisement of populations likely to vote democratic in swing states and that's trivial to see when you look at the facts.
 
2012-10-02 11:46:32 AM  

iheartscotch: As to the voter id issue; you are now required to show an employer your social security card and your id. You are required to show your social security card if you rent a house


You are, however, prohibited from using your social security card as a form of ID when you vote as it is not a picture ID
 
2012-10-02 11:46:34 AM  
fta: Election workers will still be allowed to ask voters for a valid photo ID, but people without it can vote on a regular voting machine in the polling place and would not have to cast a provisional ballot or prove their identity to election officials after the election.

In other words, photo ID makes absolutely no difference in anything at all, but the people managing polling places can still request it to intimidate the uninformed. Great.
 
2012-10-02 11:46:35 AM  

bhcompy: Fabric_Man: Judge decides illegal immigrants and dead people the poor still allowed to vote in PA

I know it's sarcasm, but still

I never understood this. Why does being poor prohibit you from having a state issued ID?


It costs money to get an ID, and it takes time smack in the middle of your workday to go to the DMV, time you aren't able to take off without losing any more money.
 
2012-10-02 11:46:48 AM  

farkyinzer: I remember the first time I voted... couldn't believe I didn't have to show ID.


I bet you did, though, when you registered to vote.

That's how it works here in NC. When you register, you have to show ID that proves you live there. After that, you just show up to vote at your precinct, state your name and address, get the form and go vote. The poll worker checks your name off the list and that's that. If you change address, or name, you have to go re-register, and show your new ID indicating the changed address or name. 

/don't see a need for anything else
 
2012-10-02 11:46:52 AM  

MonkeyAngst: Numerous people, in interviews, articles, blog posts, and here in this very thread, have pointed out what is wrong with the law in general. It is that it requires a state-issued ID, which is not free, which means that a fee must be paid in order to vote, which is specifically outlawed by the Constitution.


And yet, numerous states require photo ID to vote.
 
2012-10-02 11:46:53 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: There goes Romney's last chance at winning Pennsylvania. If they can't keep the poor, elderly, and college students from voting three or four times, he's done.

Hard to feel bad about this.



FTFY
 
2012-10-02 11:47:08 AM  

TheManofPA: The right to vote HOW many times?

That's the issue though. There just isn't much evidence that this actually happens and who it helps. Why it gets overturned is you cannot make sure thousands of people cannot vote because someone MIGHT break the system. Most actual election fraud that has been discovered this cycle is at a higher level than the individual voter (with both parties being guilty). I'm sure we'll find 3 total people on election day who break the rules and say that DEFINITELY means we should make it so that people have to pay for their rights.



Considering the GED lawyering that goes on after a presidential election, I'd say that it's a worthy cause. I can pretty much guarentee that if there is the rumor of the ghost of a chance that a busload of republicans voted in three different counties, there would be hell to pay. I work as a voter check in judge, and one of the things that voter ID would do the most to prevent.
 
2012-10-02 11:47:16 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Leeds: Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?


Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap

You didn't answer the question.

Should they then lose their ability to vote?



I take it the term "provisional ballot" is one you've not come across before. Please feel free to look it up.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-02 11:47:16 AM  

Leeds: Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?


Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap


Who cares what the Constitution says? Not Republicans apparently.
 
2012-10-02 11:47:18 AM  

Theaetetus: olddinosaur: If you google "illegal immigrant voting" you will find about 8.5 million articles more or less.

There are between 12 and 20 million illegals in the USA, and as near as I can tell, most of them vote.

... because every illegal immigrant who votes puts an article online about it?


I'm still trying to figure this one out. Do people think that illegals can't get an ID? What evidence would you use to prove that you're not illegal, and is THAT free?

/Thinks we should pass a law requiring a passport, just to hear Republicans scream.
 
2012-10-02 11:47:33 AM  

Leeds: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.

THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.

From the government page linked just above:
Since the Pennsylvania Voter ID law was enacted in March, PennDOT has been working closely with the Department of State to ensure that every voter has the opportunity to obtain photo identification. If you don't possess photo identification for voting purposes, you will be able to obtain a new Department of State voter identification card for free by visiting a PennDOT Driver License Center.

How can people in this thread still be pretending that the normal $12 for a 4 year drivers license still applies here? That $3 a year fee is not even applicable, as these ID's are FREE.

// Sorry for all the yelling, I'm pissed that people are being misled by the Democrats


thats all well and good, but dude...not nearly enough time has been allowed to actually inform the public (particularly those who need this).
 
2012-10-02 11:47:41 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Phweew. For a minute there I thought I was going to have to show ID to vote...

.....after I verify my address then sign my name and have it authorized by two present voting officials.

I think I'll vote ALL THE TIMES


Equal timez

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-02 11:48:11 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: slykens1: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

Instead of a moronic snarky reply, please explain some scenarios where a competent person can manage to get through four years of life without needing ID, especially considering all the people and places that request ID.

I did it for 6. Wasn't really difficult.

How did you cash a check?

I didn't.

What span of 6 years was it?

18 - 24


Crap. Here is a CSB and reality.
Bought a new phone yesterday at ITT store. Galaxy S III. Sweet.
They don't take checks.
Their credit card processor does not take debit cards.
OK, good ol'e Benjamins.
They don't keep change.

ID or no ID, you have to carry three forms of payment just to get by.
/ad we are all up in the twisties becaue of ID?
 
2012-10-02 11:48:31 AM  
I can accept the argument at face value stating that requiring someone obtain a photo ID is to great of an encumbrance on the poor for a constitutionally guaranteed right. That this presents to great of a challenge for the poor to overcome.

However, that argument quickly falls down in comparison to how other constitutionally guaranteed rights are treated. The right to bear arms is supposedly guaranteed via Amendment 2. However, it is apparently not too great of an encumbrance to requires $431.50 in application and fingerprinting fees in New York.

So a few dollars investment for obtaining a photo ID is too great of a financial burden for one constitutionally protected right, while on the other hand it is perfectly reasonable to have people fork over hundreds of dollars for another?

"Constitutionally protected rights" should either be able to incur an encumbrance to exercise, or they shouldn't. But too many people think double standards are perfectly acceptable.

/pick one or the other
 
2012-10-02 11:48:38 AM  

Jackson Herring: Well *I* certainly don't know anyone without photo ID, therefore they do not exist.


You know me. There was a period in my life when I didn't have a valid ID. My license was expired for 6 months before I got a "Non Driver ID" and that was only because I wanted to buy booze.
 
2012-10-02 11:48:42 AM  
History of voter fraud: almost nonexistent.
History of voter disenfranchisement: rich, detailed and plentiful.

/White power: trying to cure to problem of the poor and minorities voting since Jim Crow.
 
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