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2012-10-02 11:34:12 AM

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2012-10-02 11:34:15 AM

Marine1: moothemagiccow: Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?

Photo ID. Handicapped, elderly and indigent. People you probably don't know or see, but are still citizens with a right to vote.

I already provided adequate ID when I registered to vote. I can vote with my registration card, which lacks a photo.

Then get them a freakin' ID so they can use it in the rest of their lives. Not having that little card more or less screws you over for opportunity in today's world.


I agree. But requiring such an ID to vote isn't going to help them, it's just going to stop them voting.

I don't know the cost required in rounding up the poor and photographing them, but I'm fine with it.
The DMV in my state requires 3 forms of identification and your dick length and doesn't tell you about it until you take the time to visit the office and wait to speak with someone. I'm sure some efficiency can be made there.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:23 AM

hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.


Next time, try changing the rules BEFORE the year of said election, morons. That way the bias and racism isn't so explicit.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:27 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Marine1: Then get them a freakin' ID so they can use it in the rest of their lives. Not having that little card more or less screws you over for opportunity in today's world.

But you need experience to get a job.



Or initiative.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:32 AM
So Obama's Black Panther thugs are intimidating judges now too.


/el-oh-el-oh-el
 
2012-10-02 11:34:33 AM

Marine1: Opening a line of credit


You forgot buying stocks and bonds.
And booking that yacht on the French Riveria.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:54 AM

FlashHarry: old people and poor people who are still americans with a constitutionally guaranteed right to vote.


Is the Second Amendment still a "right?" Because here in NJ, getting an ID is the least difficult thing to do in exercising that right. Fingerprinting, background check, Firearm purchaser ID, Permit to Purchase, etc.... and I'll still never be allowed to "bear arms" only "keep."

But this works both ways.... Republicans can't be for Voter ID if they're against Firearm ID. I mean they can, but it's contradictory.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:55 AM

slykens1: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

Instead of a moronic snarky reply, please explain some scenarios where a competent person can manage to get through four years of life without needing ID, especially considering all the people and places that request ID.


I did it for 6. Wasn't really difficult.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:59 AM

what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.


the ID is free the law was passed in June or July.

Leave it to democrats to procrastinate and complain about having to pay for something that is free......
 
2012-10-02 11:35:08 AM

hetheeme: "Simpson ordered the state not to enforce the photo ID requirement in this year's presidential election but will allow it to go into full effect next year."

Good to know that they can commit fraud just long enough to let Obama win the state one last time.

Nothing wring with the law in general, apparently, just that it would hurt the Obama administration.


Numerous people, in interviews, articles, blog posts, and here in this very thread, have pointed out what is wrong with the law in general. It is that it requires a state-issued ID, which is not free, which means that a fee must be paid in order to vote, which is specifically outlawed by the Constitution.
 
2012-10-02 11:35:20 AM
If you google "illegal immigrant voting" you will find about 8.5 million articles more or less.

There are between 12 and 20 million illegals in the USA, and as near as I can tell, most of them vote.

Obama beat McCain by 69 million to 59 million last election; this one is likely to be closer.

How many of those votes were illegal?
 
2012-10-02 11:35:22 AM

slykens1: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

Instead of a moronic snarky reply, please explain some scenarios where a competent person can manage to get through four years of life without needing ID, especially considering all the people and places that request ID.


Explain why we need more restrictions on voting.
 
2012-10-02 11:35:23 AM
Well, this Voter ID push has just worked wonders for the GOP, hasn't it?
 
2012-10-02 11:35:28 AM
The battle is being fought now by Democrats to establish the precedent of voting without ID.

ONCE it is established, THEN the illegals will vote in droves for the Democrats.

If the illegals tried now, the backlash would guarantee that firm voter ID requirements would be put in place.
 
2012-10-02 11:36:12 AM

Theaetetus: I_C_Weener: I believe it is time to ensure the right to vote for everyone.  My three kids should be eligible to vote.  Its guaranteed in the Constitution fer chrissakes!!!!

Are your kids over 18? Because the Constitution explicitly sets that limit.



Farking constitution is UNAMERICAN!!!
 
2012-10-02 11:36:34 AM

olddinosaur: If you google "illegal immigrant voting" you will find about 8.5 million articles more or less.

There are between 12 and 20 million illegals in the USA, and as near as I can tell, most of them vote.


... because every illegal immigrant who votes puts an article online about it?
 
2012-10-02 11:36:35 AM

hetheeme: Rwa2play: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

Yes because it's Democrats AND ONLY Democrats that commit voter fraud.

Maybe you should try using Google before you say something this asinine.

Voter fraud help whoever has control of the political machine in the area. If Republicans win due to fraud, then throw those bastards out as well. The machine in PA is solid blue, so allowing fraud there helps Democrats out more than it would Republicans.


Except for the fact this law was specifically crafted in order to have Romney win PA AND it was even stated as such.

So no, in this case voter fraud was being done by Republicans in the form of a law which violates the Constitution.

On any level, from any party, voter intimidation, voter fraud, and voter disenfranchisement are wrong.

If it means paying a little more from the state for a free version of the state IDs that are already issued, that can be used to make sure that one person, one vote means just that, then so be it.


Fair enough; so long as the state pays for it.

oh and 2wolves: Bag of Hammers: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

*notsureifserious*

Lubbock TX, you make the call.

You are a bigot.


Evasion noted.
 
2012-10-02 11:36:56 AM

what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.


And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?

And we're now trusting polling place workers with inspecting IDs? With no training whatsoever?

All to fix a problem that does not exist in any significant way.
 
2012-10-02 11:37:01 AM

I_C_Weener: Okay...how can you be mayor and just not have photo ID? And why is she admitting to voter fraud in the 30's? Haha.


She's 94, doesn't drive* and everyone knows who she is. Why would she need a government issued, picture ID showing where she lives?

*Thank God for that, BTW. She nearly ran me over a few years back.
 
2012-10-02 11:37:05 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

A whole lot of this in this thread, and every thread of this nature.

A small minded argument.


THIS.

Republicans are so out of touch with reality, they literally cannot fathom poor people and their problems. This has been supported infinite times by Fox News, and is thus an undeniable fact. 97% of poor households have a TRASHCAN and a FRIDGE!
 
2012-10-02 11:37:07 AM

HotWingConspiracy: slykens1: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

Instead of a moronic snarky reply, please explain some scenarios where a competent person can manage to get through four years of life without needing ID, especially considering all the people and places that request ID.

I did it for 6. Wasn't really difficult.


How did you cash a check? What span of 6 years was it?
 
2012-10-02 11:37:09 AM

moothemagiccow: I don't know the cost required in rounding up the poor and photographing them, but I'm fine with it.



Sure, they don't want to pay for an ID, and now they are complaining about being "rounded up".  WTF is their problem?
 
2012-10-02 11:37:15 AM
You guys do realize that in order to get on the voter rolls, you need to complete the census, right?

So all these people who refused to complete the census because Obama would then round them up and take them to FEMA camps will be the ones hassled.

And by hassled, I mean they will need to show ID or vote in a provisional ballot
 
2012-10-02 11:37:25 AM

what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.


THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.

From the government page linked just above:
Since the Pennsylvania Voter ID law was enacted in March, PennDOT has been working closely with the Department of State to ensure that every voter has the opportunity to obtain photo identification. If you don't possess photo identification for voting purposes, you will be able to obtain a new Department of State voter identification card for free by visiting a PennDOT Driver License Center.

How can people in this thread still be pretending that the normal $12 for a 4 year drivers license still applies here? That $3 a year fee is not even applicable, as these ID's are FREE.

// Sorry for all the yelling, I'm pissed that people are being misled by the Democrats
 
2012-10-02 11:37:26 AM

Theaetetus: Shiat, entire county results can be altered in an instant with the touch of a button or loading of Flash memory on an electronic voting machine or by modification of the centralized results database, and we're concerned that someone may drive around to multiple polling places in person?


It all adds up.
Dead voters
Corruption of results
Community organization
Voter enlistment and transportation to area votes are needed

Different areas have different cons. Both sides play, share the hate.
 
2012-10-02 11:37:30 AM

Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?


Don't you know that poor people are always at work and can't get off to do any of these things? Have you ever seen a poor person smoking a cigarette or drinking alcohol? I didn't think so.
 
2012-10-02 11:37:51 AM

moothemagiccow: slykens1: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

Instead of a moronic snarky reply, please explain some scenarios where a competent person can manage to get through four years of life without needing ID, especially considering all the people and places that request ID.

Explain why we need more restrictions on voting.



Well, have you seen some of the morons whose vote cancels yours out?  Victoria Jackson votes.
 
2012-10-02 11:38:15 AM
What a wonderful country we live in where a judge can subvert democracy. The voter ID law was passed by a elected state legislature. And he did not overturn it, he just delayed its enforcement until next year. Sounds like someone paid the judge off.
 
2012-10-02 11:38:16 AM
so Republicans think that you can just drive around to every polling place and vote?

insertmorbo.jpg
 
2012-10-02 11:38:18 AM

TWX: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

I'd rather have this kind of voter fraud than the kind of voter fraud perpetuated in Florida in 2000...

I'd also rather see all states use paper ballots with optical scanners. They have a paper trail for manual counting and marking a line with a pen between two dots is about as failsafe as one can get.

Every citizen has the constitutional right to vote. Anyone who denies them that right should be prosecuted and thrown in jail. If states want all registered voters to have ID, then the burden should be on the states to compare their voter rolls to their state ID system, and to notify all registered voters without a record of ID that they need it, and then the state should see to getting them that ID. If not, the state is disenfranchising them through its own action.


With the exception of the dig on Florida, I agree 100%

Of all the things a state should be doing, ensuring honest elections should be at the top of the list.

/worth the money
 
2012-10-02 11:38:22 AM
How about we assume that there's a significant amount of vote fraud and simply reject 1% of the votes for each candidate?
 
2012-10-02 11:38:32 AM

Marine1: FlashHarry: Marine1: With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID?

old people and poor people who are still americans with a constitutionally guaranteed right to vote.

Dude, if you don't have an ID, you're off the farking grid these days. I mean, no ID? None? Whatsoever?


In Philly alone, there are roughly half a million people who lack photo ID that would have been required for them to vote.

Of course, almost all of them are democrats, which was the point.
 
2012-10-02 11:38:35 AM
I remember the first time I voted... couldn't believe I didn't have to show ID.
 
2012-10-02 11:38:48 AM

Giltric: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

Throwing a last minute barrier to getting elected isn't helping democracy, it's disenfranchising the poor.

And you people KNOW THAT, but you really don't care.

the ID is free the law was passed in June or July.

Leave it to democrats to procrastinate and complain about having to pay for something that is free......


Not charging $20 does not make it free. The DMV has set hours and a set place that conflicts with many people's work schedule and mobility. The polls already have these time and place restrictions. Why do we need more?
 
2012-10-02 11:38:57 AM

Theaetetus: Shiat, entire county results can be altered in an instant with the touch of a button or loading of Flash memory on an electronic voting machine or by modification of the centralized results database, and we're concerned that someone may drive around to multiple polling places in person?


This times a billion.
 
2012-10-02 11:39:11 AM

Aarontology: hetheeme: "Simpson ordered the state not to enforce the photo ID requirement in this year's presidential election but will allow it to go into full effect next year."

Good to know that they can commit fraud just long enough to let Obama win the state one last time.

Nothing wring with the law in general, apparently, just that it would hurt the Obama administration.

You should show us the proof that fraud helped Obama win it last time. or helped any politician in any race win.


Obama didn't need fraud to win in 2008. He won fair and square using the old tactic of "vote for me and I'll be your sugar daddy" that college kids are stupid enough to love.
 
2012-10-02 11:39:16 AM

Leeds:



// Sorry for all the yelling, I'm pissed that people are being misled by the Democrats BOTH ASSHAT PARTIES


small correction, share the hate where hate is due
 
2012-10-02 11:39:29 AM

Marine1: You know... let's take a look at all you need an ID for:

Driving
Purchasing a firearm
Carrying a firearm
Cashing a check
Opening a bank account
Using a debit or credit card
Opening a line of credit
Boarding a commercial flight
Going to college (you may or may not need one for registration, but they will make you get one from them when you're on campus)
Getting a passport
Buying tobacco
Buying alcohol
Buying medical marijuana (in states that allow it)
Going over the border into Canada or Mexico
Transferring large amounts of cash (thank the PATRIOT Act for that)
Apply for a job at a government institution (they're going to want to make sure you're here legally)
Being shown an apartment you're considering a lease on

With all of that in mind... just who the fark is going around without an ID? Forget whether or not these people could vote if that law had been passed... how much of a disadvantage are these folks at in their every day lives without one? How about we focus on that?


I liked how you list things that only people with money do. You do have the sense to realize that poverty is a major disadvantage, though. Some of us try to focus on that, but then Republicans complain that poor people own refrigerators and get government cell phones.
 
2012-10-02 11:39:59 AM

Leeds: THE ID's ARE ALREADY FREE.

That's right, FREE.

As in, there is no cost to get a photo ID in PA so that you can vote.



But its inconvenient.  And so are going to the polls.  I mean get out of bed and sometime between 6am and 8pm go somewhere in your neighborhood to vote.  Its unconscionable.
 
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2012-10-02 11:40:14 AM

Giltric: qorkfiend: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

Constitution forbids anyone from having to pay to vote. Make the IDs free and automatically issued for everyone and you might get somewhere.

You can get a free ID because of this law. Link


Really? Can you get one of these free IDs without an ID? If so, how is it guaranteeing anything? And if it isn't guaranteeing anything, isn't it just making voters jump through hoops for no good reason?
 
2012-10-02 11:40:14 AM
These F*CKING judges. Pretty soon all the congress, preseidents, and judges will be all democrats. I am sure people will find some way to blame conservtives or all our problems. Yea, it is OK to ask people for IDs for alcohol and smokes, but not to vote! nooooooo! I can't wait to vote for Romney. When Obama screws things up even more, I can say, Hey, you voted him in, not me!
 
2012-10-02 11:40:14 AM

fireclown: The right to vote HOW many times?


If multiple votes are the concern, why aren't Republicans pushing for the same kind of finger-dying they used in Iraq? Certainly some enterprising Republican legislator will find a way to make a personal fortune in dye sales by advancing such litigation.
 
2012-10-02 11:40:16 AM

Itstoearly: Obama didn't need fraud to win in 2008. He won fair and square using the old tactic of "vote for me and I'll be your sugar daddy" that college kids are stupid enough to love.


Which must be why the GOP is trying to make it as difficult as possible to prevent college kids from voting.

I mean, because they're concerned with the integrity of the system. Yeah, that's it.
 
2012-10-02 11:40:16 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: what_now: Make the IDs free and make sure people have enough time to get one, and I'm fine with requiring one at the polls.

And if they forget their ID? Lose it? Have it stolen? Should they then lose their ability to vote?



Oh my goodness, what if they forget where to vote, or their car breaks down or they hit a deer on the way to the polling stations? We clearly need to send drivers out to pick up every resident in the state to make sure that they get to the polls on time!!!

// Democrats actually believe this crap
 
2012-10-02 11:40:18 AM

I_C_Weener: moothemagiccow: I don't know the cost required in rounding up the poor and photographing them, but I'm fine with it.


Sure, they don't want to pay for an ID, and now they are complaining about being "rounded up".  WTF is their problem?


VOTER FRAUD. Turnout's over 300% in Pennsyvlania and it's all for FARTBAMA
 
2012-10-02 11:40:21 AM

snocone: Theaetetus: Shiat, entire county results can be altered in an instant with the touch of a button or loading of Flash memory on an electronic voting machine or by modification of the centralized results database, and we're concerned that someone may drive around to multiple polling places in person?

It all adds up.
Dead voters
Corruption of results
Community organization
Voter enlistment and transportation to area votes are needed

Different areas have different cons. Both sides play, share the hate.


Community organization is legal, so I'm not sure what you're saying.

But yes, 100 additional votes due to a group of people using identities of dead people is exactly the same as tens of thousands of additional votes due to one person with overnight access to an electronic voting machine. So, both sides are bad, and Sarah Palin is automatically president.
 
2012-10-02 11:40:28 AM
Can't we just dip our fingers in ink and do away with these shenanigans?
 
2012-10-02 11:40:32 AM

Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: slykens1: qorkfiend: Oh, ok. Since you can't think of any way it could happen, it must be impossible.

Instead of a moronic snarky reply, please explain some scenarios where a competent person can manage to get through four years of life without needing ID, especially considering all the people and places that request ID.

I did it for 6. Wasn't really difficult.

How did you cash a check?


I didn't.

What span of 6 years was it?

18 - 24
 
2012-10-02 11:40:45 AM

olddinosaur: If you google "illegal immigrant voting" you will find about 8.5 million articles more or less.


That's nothing. You should see what happens when you google "Gagnam Style"
 
2012-10-02 11:41:16 AM

2wolves: hetheeme: Rwa2play: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

Yes because it's Democrats AND ONLY Democrats that commit voter fraud.

Maybe you should try using Google before you say something this asinine.

Voter fraud help whoever has control of the political machine in the area. If Republicans win due to fraud, then throw those bastards out as well. The machine in PA is solid blue, so allowing fraud there helps Democrats out more than it would Republicans.

On any level, from any party, voter intimidation, voter fraud, and voter disenfranchisement are wrong.

If it means paying a little more from the state for a free version of the state IDs that are already issued, that can be used to make sure that one person, one vote means just that, then so be it.

oh and 2wolves: Bag of Hammers: hetheeme: Gotta love the legalization of voter fraud.

God forbid anyone actually have to prove who they are in order to vote.

*notsureifserious*

Lubbock TX, you make the call.

You are a bigot.

With regards to TEXANS? Bet your ass I am. But not with Texans. I make that call.


Gotta give you credit, at least you admit your bigotry.
 
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