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2012-10-02 11:21:12 AM  
Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.
 
2012-10-02 11:27:30 AM  
For every Summer Glau or Eliza Dushku I see...I shall kill you.
 
2012-10-02 11:29:40 AM  
This is just one more thing to delay what should be Whedon's first and only priority: The Dr. Horrible sequel.
 
2012-10-02 11:34:19 AM  

Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.


Hey if the stories are good and the characters are fun to watch, I'm there. Do you think they're going to make an Iron Man show every week starring Robert Downey Jr?
 
2012-10-02 11:37:15 AM  
You can tell how nerds will never be happy though with the very first c*mment in this thread.

If you asked a comic geek 10 years ago, hey what if you knew Joss Whedon will be making a SHIELD TV show in the near future? And they'd all pass out in wonderment and excitement and frantically try to get old to catch up to such a time.

Then it really happens, and you get Walker above.
 
2012-10-02 12:13:42 PM  
Boring without super heroes? I can clearly tell that very few of you have actually read the comic book.
 
2012-10-02 12:20:47 PM  

Confabulat: You can tell how nerds will never be happy though with the very first c*mment in this thread.

If you asked a comic geek 10 years ago, hey what if you knew Joss Whedon will be making a SHIELD TV show in the near future? And they'd all pass out in wonderment and excitement and frantically try to get old to catch up to such a time.

Then it really happens, and you get Walker above.


Wanna place some bets on how long this series will last? I give it 8 episodes tops...and that's being very generous. Even shows with ACTUAL superheroes in them don't do well on network TV. Name a superhero show in the last DECADE -- Hell, 15 years -- that has succeeded, besides "Smallville". Oh, there was "Heroes", which everyone abandoned after the first two seasons. There was "No Ordinary Family" which only lasted one season. How did "Birds' of Prey" do? How did "The Cape" do? How did the failed "Wonder Woman" show that never saw the light of day do? How did "The Tick" do? And you think a show about agents featuring NO superheroes will succeed? Please. I'm just being realistic.
 
2012-10-02 12:30:26 PM  

Walker: Confabulat: You can tell how nerds will never be happy though with the very first c*mment in this thread.

If you asked a comic geek 10 years ago, hey what if you knew Joss Whedon will be making a SHIELD TV show in the near future? And they'd all pass out in wonderment and excitement and frantically try to get old to catch up to such a time.

Then it really happens, and you get Walker above.

Wanna place some bets on how long this series will last? I give it 8 episodes tops...and that's being very generous. Even shows with ACTUAL superheroes in them don't do well on network TV. Name a superhero show in the last DECADE -- Hell, 15 years -- that has succeeded, besides "Smallville". Oh, there was "Heroes", which everyone abandoned after the first two seasons. There was "No Ordinary Family" which only lasted one season. How did "Birds' of Prey" do? How did "The Cape" do? How did the failed "Wonder Woman" show that never saw the light of day do? How did "The Tick" do? And you think a show about agents featuring NO superheroes will succeed? Please. I'm just being realistic.


So... you're saying superhero shows fail, but this show will fail because it doesn't have any superheroes. There may be a fault in your logic. I'm not saying whether the show will do well or not, I'm just saying your argument doesn't track.
 
2012-10-02 12:36:03 PM  
Spunky young girl who can kick ass, brooding heartthrob with a dark past, brooding bad who turns good to impress spunky young girl who can kick ass, nerdy guy who turns into an asskicker, and snobby girl who turns out to have a heart of gold?
 
2012-10-02 12:36:36 PM  
"L", "S", "I", "H", "E"
...in no particular order.
 
2012-10-02 12:37:00 PM  
50 bucks it gets cancelled for plain old sucking like Firefly and Dollhouse
 
2012-10-02 12:37:45 PM  

Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.


You realize your speaking for about........no one.
I work in a comic book store and people are loving this idea.
(Though most nerds are already complaining, but that's typical nerds)

If he could make it a cross between Angels law firm season, warehouse 13 and X-Files, it'd be awesome.
 
2012-10-02 12:40:33 PM  

Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.


I cared about one SHIELD agent, but they apparently killed him in Avengers.
 
2012-10-02 12:43:46 PM  

moothemagiccow: 50 bucks it gets cancelled for plain old sucking like Firefly and Dollhouse


lawl, you trollin
 
2012-10-02 12:44:09 PM  

Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.


I disagree. People came for the Avengers. They stayed for Agent Phil Farking Coulson.
 
2012-10-02 12:47:54 PM  

cgraves67: Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.

I cared about one SHIELD agent, but they apparently killed him in Avengers.


I say thee nay! The Son of Coul MUST LIVE!
 
2012-10-02 12:48:27 PM  
FTA: AGENT ALTHEA RICE | Also known as "The Calvary,"

So...she's a hill in Jerusalem where Jesus was crucified? That's an interesting alter-ego, I must say.
 
2012-10-02 12:48:41 PM  
Speaking of superhero TV shows. Just saw an add about a Green Arrow series on CW. Seeing as it's a non-animated DC production, it's probably sure to suck, but then again Smallville did well >.>
 
2012-10-02 12:49:57 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

No room for Vic Mackey?
 
2012-10-02 12:53:15 PM  

Walker: Confabulat: You can tell how nerds will never be happy though with the very first c*mment in this thread.

If you asked a comic geek 10 years ago, hey what if you knew Joss Whedon will be making a SHIELD TV show in the near future? And they'd all pass out in wonderment and excitement and frantically try to get old to catch up to such a time.

Then it really happens, and you get Walker above.

Wanna place some bets on how long this series will last? I give it 8 episodes tops...and that's being very generous. Even shows with ACTUAL superheroes in them don't do well on network TV. Name a superhero show in the last DECADE -- Hell, 15 years -- that has succeeded, besides "Smallville". Oh, there was "Heroes", which everyone abandoned after the first two seasons. There was "No Ordinary Family" which only lasted one season. How did "Birds' of Prey" do? How did "The Cape" do? How did the failed "Wonder Woman" show that never saw the light of day do? How did "The Tick" do? And you think a show about agents featuring NO superheroes will succeed? Please. I'm just being realistic.


Alphas is finishing it's second season. And I'm going to assume we aren't considering the tons of animated shows on Disney and CN.
 
2012-10-02 12:54:20 PM  
Died a little inside when i clicked and saw Eliza Dushku. Although I agree with the author's parenthesis (very pretty, can't act)
 
2012-10-02 12:55:21 PM  

hammer85: Speaking of superhero TV shows. Just saw an add about a Green Arrow series on CW. Seeing as it's a non-animated DC production, it's probably sure to suck, but then again Smallville did well >.>


I think the initial reviews were not as bad as you would expect. Smallville suffered from what a friend called "Lana-itis". They had a plan the first few years until the audience caught on that Kristen Kruek was a terrible actress and wanted her gone. Once she was gone and they found a new direction, the show was not as bad. From what I have read about 'Arrow', they seem to be going in with a better starting game plan. It also helps that Green Arrow is not as 'famous' as Superman and some of the other DC characters so they will have some leeway with the story lines.
 
2012-10-02 12:56:01 PM  

hammer85: Walker: Confabulat: You can tell how nerds will never be happy though with the very first c*mment in this thread.

If you asked a comic geek 10 years ago, hey what if you knew Joss Whedon will be making a SHIELD TV show in the near future? And they'd all pass out in wonderment and excitement and frantically try to get old to catch up to such a time.

Then it really happens, and you get Walker above.

Wanna place some bets on how long this series will last? I give it 8 episodes tops...and that's being very generous. Even shows with ACTUAL superheroes in them don't do well on network TV. Name a superhero show in the last DECADE -- Hell, 15 years -- that has succeeded, besides "Smallville". Oh, there was "Heroes", which everyone abandoned after the first two seasons. There was "No Ordinary Family" which only lasted one season. How did "Birds' of Prey" do? How did "The Cape" do? How did the failed "Wonder Woman" show that never saw the light of day do? How did "The Tick" do? And you think a show about agents featuring NO superheroes will succeed? Please. I'm just being realistic.

Alphas is finishing it's second season. And I'm going to assume we aren't considering the tons of animated shows on Disney and CN.


The 4400 did pretty well, also. And Dark Angel went a couple of seasons.

Of course, all this is moot, since... well... this isn't a superhero show.
 
2012-10-02 12:57:52 PM  
"Althea Rice has Summer Glau written all over her"

Oh gods I hope not, that chick has a history of being poison to every show she's on. Don't get me wrong, she's cute and she's actually kinda starting to learn how to act, but still... poison.
 
2012-10-02 12:59:08 PM  

bluenote13: hammer85: Speaking of superhero TV shows. Just saw an add about a Green Arrow series on CW. Seeing as it's a non-animated DC production, it's probably sure to suck, but then again Smallville did well >.>

I think the initial reviews were not as bad as you would expect. Smallville suffered from what a friend called "Lana-itis". They had a plan the first few years until the audience caught on that Kristen Kruek was a terrible actress and wanted her gone. Once she was gone and they found a new direction, the show was not as bad. From what I have read about 'Arrow', they seem to be going in with a better starting game plan. It also helps that Green Arrow is not as 'famous' as Superman and some of the other DC characters so they will have some leeway with the story lines.


Oh I didn't mean Smallville was bad. I was more along the lines of the non-batman begins movies that have just been dreadful. DC gets their animated shows done right (especially the animated movies), but their live action aside from a few cases has been poor at best.
 
2012-10-02 01:01:17 PM  
Dear Joss, stop hiring the same actors for every television series you make. Thanks.
 
2012-10-02 01:02:45 PM  
SKYE | This late-20s woman sounds like a dream: fun, smart, caring and confident - with an ability to get the upper hand by using her wit and charm.

AKA Inaria

AGENT GRANT WARD | Quite the physical specimen and "cool under fire," he sometimes botches interpersonal relations. He's a quiet one with a bit of a temper, but he's the kind of guy that grows on you.

AKA Jayne or Malcolm

AGENT ALTHEA RICE | Also known as "The Calvary," this hard-core soldier has crazy skills when it comes to weapons and being a pilot. But her experiences have left her very quiet and a little damaged.

AKA Zoe

AGENT LEO FITZ and AGENT JEMMA SIMMONS | These two came through training together and still choose to spend most of their time in each other's company. Their sibling-like relationship is reinforced by their shared nerd tendencies - she deals with biology and chemistry, he's a whiz at the technical side of weaponry.

AKA Simon and River

Soon to be named agents: one who is a bit quirky and primarily is responsible for transportation and the delightful if slightly introverted and naive engineer that makes all the new toys and fixes stuff.

Christ just let him make Firefly and lets move on.
 
2012-10-02 01:03:13 PM  
SHIEL


What do I win?
 
2012-10-02 01:03:39 PM  

cgraves67: Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.

I cared about one SHIELD agent, but they apparently killed him in Avengers.


So?
 
2012-10-02 01:07:21 PM  

2words1finger: "Althea Rice has Summer Glau written all over her"

Oh gods I hope not, that chick has a history of being poison to every show she's on. Don't get me wrong, she's cute and she's actually kinda starting to learn how to act, but still... poison.


She was OK during her two episodes of Chuck, where she played a crazy chick who likes sharp things a little too much.

But yea, Glau wouldn't really work here. Subtlety is not her forte, which is something you would think a secret government organization would want from their field operatives.
 
2012-10-02 01:08:19 PM  
Dear god, the pure unadulterated irony of the author of TFA saying Eliza Dushku is "very pretty, can't act" and then proceeding to fawn over Felicia Day.
 
2012-10-02 01:14:12 PM  

2words1finger: "Althea Rice has Summer Glau written all over her"

Oh gods I hope not, that chick has a history of being poison to every show she's on. Don't get me wrong, she's cute and she's actually kinda starting to learn how to act, but still... poison.


Yeah, I'm thinking Gina Torres, Gina Carano, Katee Sackhoff, Rhona Mitra, Stana Katic, Charlize Theron...all would be exponentially better casting choices. Of course, of those, Gina and Katee are probably the only ones they could actually get.
 
2012-10-02 01:15:52 PM  

Teufelaffe: 2words1finger: "Althea Rice has Summer Glau written all over her"

Oh gods I hope not, that chick has a history of being poison to every show she's on. Don't get me wrong, she's cute and she's actually kinda starting to learn how to act, but still... poison.

Yeah, I'm thinking Gina Torres, Gina Carano, Katee Sackhoff, Rhona Mitra, Stana Katic, Charlize Theron...all would be exponentially better casting choices. Of course, of those, Gina and Katee are probably the only ones they could actually get.


Bah, that would be Gina Torres...Gina Carano is slated to be part of an "all-girl Expendables" so would not be available.
 
2012-10-02 01:18:49 PM  

Walker: How did "The Tick" do?


Are we talking animated version of live action?

SPOOOOOON!
 
2012-10-02 01:19:14 PM  

tom baker's scarf: SKYE | This late-20s woman sounds like a dream: fun, smart, caring and confident - with an ability to get the upper hand by using her wit and charm.

AKA Inaria

AGENT GRANT WARD | Quite the physical specimen and "cool under fire," he sometimes botches interpersonal relations. He's a quiet one with a bit of a temper, but he's the kind of guy that grows on you.

AKA Jayne or Malcolm

AGENT ALTHEA RICE | Also known as "The Calvary," this hard-core soldier has crazy skills when it comes to weapons and being a pilot. But her experiences have left her very quiet and a little damaged.

AKA Zoe

AGENT LEO FITZ and AGENT JEMMA SIMMONS | These two came through training together and still choose to spend most of their time in each other's company. Their sibling-like relationship is reinforced by their shared nerd tendencies - she deals with biology and chemistry, he's a whiz at the technical side of weaponry.

AKA Simon and River

Soon to be named agents: one who is a bit quirky and primarily is responsible for transportation and the delightful if slightly introverted and naive engineer that makes all the new toys and fixes stuff.

Christ just let him make Firefly and lets move on.


/signed
 
2012-10-02 01:21:41 PM  
I'm just glad there is no history of crime procedural dramas being successful on TV.
 
2012-10-02 01:23:58 PM  

Witty_Retort: I'm just glad there is no history of crime procedural dramas being successful on TV.


Get She Hulk involved in the Law and Order franchise and I WILL WATCH.

/Plus, they could paint Mariska Hargitay green.
 
2012-10-02 01:24:07 PM  

unyon: Boring without super heroes? I can clearly tell that very few of you have actually read the comic book.


This.
 
2012-10-02 01:24:45 PM  
Hey, if the Avengers go off-world to fight Thanos at the end of Avengers II, then this SHIELD show can adapt the Thunderbolts storyline in the following season.

That would be... something?
 
2012-10-02 01:31:30 PM  

tom baker's scarf: Christ just let him make Firefly and lets move on.


It's been ten years. Let it go.
 
2012-10-02 01:33:38 PM  

Teufelaffe: Teufelaffe: 2words1finger: "Althea Rice has Summer Glau written all over her"

Oh gods I hope not, that chick has a history of being poison to every show she's on. Don't get me wrong, she's cute and she's actually kinda starting to learn how to act, but still... poison.

Yeah, I'm thinking Gina Torres, Gina Carano, Katee Sackhoff, Rhona Mitra, Stana Katic, Charlize Theron...all would be exponentially better casting choices. Of course, of those, Gina and Katee are probably the only ones they could actually get.

Bah, that would be Gina Torres...Gina Carano is slated to be part of an "all-girl Expendables" so would not be available.


I'm noticing a distinct lack of Cynthia Rothrock in that all-girl Expendables cast.
 
2012-10-02 01:33:55 PM  
It would be interesting if they added the B-list, or even the C-list of Marvel heroes and villains, just for good measure.
 
2012-10-02 01:51:10 PM  

Walker: Confabulat: You can tell how nerds will never be happy though with the very first c*mment in this thread.

If you asked a comic geek 10 years ago, hey what if you knew Joss Whedon will be making a SHIELD TV show in the near future? And they'd all pass out in wonderment and excitement and frantically try to get old to catch up to such a time.

Then it really happens, and you get Walker above.

Wanna place some bets on how long this series will last? I give it 8 episodes tops...and that's being very generous. Even shows with ACTUAL superheroes in them don't do well on network TV. Name a superhero show in the last DECADE -- Hell, 15 years -- that has succeeded, besides "Smallville". Oh, there was "Heroes", which everyone abandoned after the first two seasons. There was "No Ordinary Family" which only lasted one season. How did "Birds' of Prey" do? How did "The Cape" do? How did the failed "Wonder Woman" show that never saw the light of day do? How did "The Tick" do? And you think a show about agents featuring NO superheroes will succeed? Please. I'm just being realistic.


Alphas on Sci-Fi is doing nicely. Hmm...Buffy the Vampire Slayer was just a super hero show that featured magic, Birds of Prey sucked because the actresses sucked, I really like the Cape.

The real question is will the network commit for two years and 30-40 episodes? That is usually how long a Whedon TV production takes to hit it's stride. Buffy, Angel, even Doll House took two seasons to really get going and as fan reaction proved if Firefly would have been given two seasons it would have been a smash hit, instead of a colossal failure. Sadly for Firefly at 2 million an episode they did not have time for Whedon to clear his throat.
 
2012-10-02 01:52:16 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Spunky young girl who can kick ass, brooding heartthrob with a dark past, brooding bad who turns good to impress spunky young girl who can kick ass, nerdy guy who turns into an asskicker, and snobby girl who turns out to have a heart of gold?


As long as Fin Fang Foom is present, I'm there.
 
2012-10-02 01:53:11 PM  

CygnusDarius: It would be interesting if they added the B-list, or even the C-list of Marvel heroes and villains, just for good measure.


They could butt up against a re-formed Hydra and/or AIM (I think that's their name. The guys in the yellow suits.) as their reoccurring villain. Many low-level guys they could take on, as well as lackeys/minions of the Big Bad from the movies.

Or go with terrorism themes with Super weapons (gamma bomb, Pym-Particle Bomb).

Also, they could deal with the fallout from the movies; like the short on the Avenger's Blu-Ray with the couple who find one of the invader's weapons and start a crime spree. The amount of alien weaponry around NYC after Avengers is staggering.
 
2012-10-02 01:53:17 PM  

moothemagiccow: tom baker's scarf: Christ just let him make Firefly and lets move on.

It's been ten years. Let it go.


Besides the fans wouldn't watch now anymore then they watched it back then.
 
2012-10-02 01:53:53 PM  

Fano: FirstNationalBastard: Spunky young girl who can kick ass, brooding heartthrob with a dark past, brooding bad who turns good to impress spunky young girl who can kick ass, nerdy guy who turns into an asskicker, and snobby girl who turns out to have a heart of gold?

As long as Fin Fang Foom is present, I'm there.


i6.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-02 01:59:48 PM  
He should bring in Abigail Brand. He made her up and she's technically a SHIELD agent.
 
2012-10-02 02:10:49 PM  

Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.



No TRUE Joss Whedon fan would worry about such things.
 
2012-10-02 02:10:50 PM  

Witty_Retort: CygnusDarius: It would be interesting if they added the B-list, or even the C-list of Marvel heroes and villains, just for good measure.

They could butt up against a re-formed Hydra and/or AIM (I think that's their name. The guys in the yellow suits.) as their reoccurring villain. Many low-level guys they could take on, as well as lackeys/minions of the Big Bad from the movies.

Or go with terrorism themes with Super weapons (gamma bomb, Pym-Particle Bomb).

Also, they could deal with the fallout from the movies; like the short on the Avenger's Blu-Ray with the couple who find one of the invader's weapons and start a crime spree. The amount of alien weaponry around NYC after Avengers is staggering.


This. That would be a credible plot for several episodes. Hell, even some minor Stark company weapons could work.
 
2012-10-02 02:16:24 PM  

Teufelaffe: Dear god, the pure unadulterated irony of the author of TFA saying Eliza Dushku is "very pretty, can't act" and then proceeding to fawn over Felicia Day.


I've never seen her in anything but the Guild, where she acts like she has an actual stick up her ass 100% of the time.
 
2012-10-02 02:18:34 PM  

Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.


You apparently are unaware of the sizable fandom that has sprung up around Agents Coulson and Hill. Sure, it's not as big as the fandom for the super-heroes, but there are people out there that loves them some S.H.I.E.L.D. agents.
 
2012-10-02 02:26:13 PM  

moothemagiccow: Teufelaffe: Dear god, the pure unadulterated irony of the author of TFA saying Eliza Dushku is "very pretty, can't act" and then proceeding to fawn over Felicia Day.

I've never seen her in anything but the Guild, where she acts like she has an actual stick up her ass 100% of the time.


She was the main character in the epilogue episodes of Dollhouse, and the female love interest in Dr. Horrible. She's really not a great actress, but a good director helps elevate her about what she delivers in The Guild. I like her blog, though, and she seems to be a pretty genuinely nice, odd person.
 
2012-10-02 02:29:44 PM  

moothemagiccow: 0 bucks it gets cancelled for plain old sucking like Firefly....


tWiTcH***
 
2012-10-02 02:44:32 PM  
Half looking forward to it, although I wish he was doing something of his own, and not someone else's property. Please dear god, no Felicia "Look at me I'm such a geek and not at all pandering to the audience" Day. She's farking annoying. Not as annoying as the cosplay girls who show up at cons, but still.
 
2012-10-02 02:45:06 PM  

timujin: Walker: Confabulat: You can tell how nerds will never be happy though with the very first c*mment in this thread.

If you asked a comic geek 10 years ago, hey what if you knew Joss Whedon will be making a SHIELD TV show in the near future? And they'd all pass out in wonderment and excitement and frantically try to get old to catch up to such a time.

Then it really happens, and you get Walker above.

Wanna place some bets on how long this series will last? I give it 8 episodes tops...and that's being very generous. Even shows with ACTUAL superheroes in them don't do well on network TV. Name a superhero show in the last DECADE -- Hell, 15 years -- that has succeeded, besides "Smallville". Oh, there was "Heroes", which everyone abandoned after the first two seasons. There was "No Ordinary Family" which only lasted one season. How did "Birds' of Prey" do? How did "The Cape" do? How did the failed "Wonder Woman" show that never saw the light of day do? How did "The Tick" do? And you think a show about agents featuring NO superheroes will succeed? Please. I'm just being realistic.

So... you're saying superhero shows fail, but this show will fail because it doesn't have any superheroes. There may be a fault in your logic. I'm not saying whether the show will do well or not, I'm just saying your argument doesn't track.


I liked Chuck.
 
2012-10-02 02:45:47 PM  

bluenote13: I think the initial reviews were not as bad as you would expect. Smallville suffered from what a friend called "Lana-itis".


That's exactly why I stopped watching it. If i saw her whiny little crying face again, I was going to lose it. If she'd had pulled a Vanessa Hudgens (I could bear to imagine her nude through Journey 2), I may have continued but I just couldn't take a chance at her showing up again.
 
2012-10-02 02:49:12 PM  
With his tendancy to have an indestructable female ass-kicker, I honestly expected to see Ms. Marvel in there somewhere.
 
2012-10-02 02:49:43 PM  

robohobo: Half looking forward to it, although I wish he was doing something of his own, and not someone else's property. Please dear god, no Felicia "Look at me I'm such a geek and not at all pandering to the audience" Day. She's farking annoying. Not as annoying as the cosplay girls who show up at cons, but still.


She can pander the fark out of me.
 
2012-10-02 02:53:14 PM  

olapbill: I liked Chuck.


The concept got really stale towards the end, but the beginning is great fun, and I loved the finale.
 
2012-10-02 02:58:33 PM  

Pashc: FTA: AGENT ALTHEA RICE | Also known as "The Calvary,"

So...she's a hill in Jerusalem where Jesus was crucified? That's an interesting alter-ego, I must say.


I came here to say that.

/shakes tiny cross in impotent rage
 
2012-10-02 03:07:09 PM  
Agent Coulson LIVES. Fark anyone who say otherwise. HE LIVES GODDAMNIT
 
2012-10-02 03:09:06 PM  

Teufelaffe: Yeah, I'm thinking Gina Torres, Gina Carano, Katee Sackhoff, Rhona Mitra, Stana Katic, Charlize Theron...all would be exponentially better casting choices. Of course, of those, Gina and Katee are probably the only ones they could actually get.


Katoo Sackhoff has looked like hell is everything I've seen her in outside BSG.

Gina Torres is too busy being the awesome head of a law firm on Suits, which just finished it's second short season. That shows deserves better treatment than the 10-episode runs it's getting now. Everything about that second season was awesome, including her.
 
2012-10-02 03:23:29 PM  
I'd LOVE to see some more Cobie Smulders in the TV series.. Hell, make her a regular character. The show could use some more of Agent Maria Hill.

... hell, while we're at it, just make it an all-female cast.

Call it Panty S.H.I.E.L.D
 
2012-10-02 03:28:41 PM  

Masso: Agent Coulson LIVES. Fark anyone who say otherwise. HE LIVES GODDAMNIT


Coulson didn't die in the Avengers movie. I guarantee it. They made it LOOK like he died, but he didn't. "They just needed a push."
 
2012-10-02 03:31:03 PM  

SirTanon: I'd LOVE to see some more Cobie Smulders in the TV series.. Hell, make her a regular character. The show could use some more of Agent Maria Hill.

... hell, while we're at it, just make it an all-female cast.

Call it Panty S.H.I.E.L.D


Joss wants to be a girl bad enough already. Don't encourage him.
 
2012-10-02 03:32:45 PM  
it's a whedon show not on fox, so I give it a 60% chance of having a second season
 
2012-10-02 03:34:07 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Fano: FirstNationalBastard: Spunky young girl who can kick ass, brooding heartthrob with a dark past, brooding bad who turns good to impress spunky young girl who can kick ass, nerdy guy who turns into an asskicker, and snobby girl who turns out to have a heart of gold?

As long as Fin Fang Foom is present, I'm there.

[i6.photobucket.com image 799x659]


Have they ever explained why the hell Fin Fang Foom wears shorts? I mean, I can't imagine a giant f'n dragon making clothing a high priority...
 
2012-10-02 03:36:11 PM  

Masso: Agent Coulson LIVES. Fark anyone who say otherwise. HE LIVES GODDAMNIT


OFF SCREEN DEATH - oldest trick in the book. I refuse to believe it until Cap is standing over his grave with those vintage cards in hand.

25.media.tumblr.com

also can we get her oncer her HIMYM contract ends? Let's just meet the damn Mom, have a year of funny adventures so Ms. Scherbatsky can get back to the Helicarrier.
 
2012-10-02 03:36:58 PM  

HeartBurnKid: FirstNationalBastard: Fano: FirstNationalBastard: Spunky young girl who can kick ass, brooding heartthrob with a dark past, brooding bad who turns good to impress spunky young girl who can kick ass, nerdy guy who turns into an asskicker, and snobby girl who turns out to have a heart of gold?

As long as Fin Fang Foom is present, I'm there.

[i6.photobucket.com image 799x659]

Have they ever explained why the hell Fin Fang Foom wears shorts? I mean, I can't imagine a giant f'n dragon making clothing a high priority...


He doesn't always. And what, you have a hankering for some dragon cock?
 
2012-10-02 03:44:51 PM  
This is gonna suck

Fight real world bad guys while sexual tension builds up between characters

Fark I hate TV
 
2012-10-02 03:51:38 PM  
The first five characters from Joss Wheadon's SHIELD?

S
H
I
E
L

?
 
2012-10-02 03:58:55 PM  

madcan34: This is gonna suck

Fight real world bad guys while sexual tension builds up between characters

Fark I hate TV


You don't have to watch it.
 
2012-10-02 04:01:21 PM  

siyuntz: This is just one more thing to delay what should be Whedon's first and only priority: The Dr. Horrible sequel.


The problem with a Dr. Horrible sequel, and same problem in other mediums with Half Life 3 and a second Postal Service album... its hard to top perfection.

I wish Dollhouse had gotten one more season so he could have done a musical episode though. Topher accidentally merges his mp3 collection with the imprints, causing all the actives to sing and dance all the time, episode practically writes itself. Watched Dr. Horrible for maybe the 10th time last week, still have some of the songs stuck in my head...

And speaking of Whedon musicals...

Sign my petition!


Walker: Confabulat: You can tell how nerds will never be happy though with the very first c*mment in this thread.

If you asked a comic geek 10 years ago, hey what if you knew Joss Whedon will be making a SHIELD TV show in the near future? And they'd all pass out in wonderment and excitement and frantically try to get old to catch up to such a time.

Then it really happens, and you get Walker above.

Wanna place some bets on how long this series will last? I give it 8 episodes tops...and that's being very generous. Even shows with ACTUAL superheroes in them don't do well on network TV. Name a superhero show in the last DECADE -- Hell, 15 years -- that has succeeded, besides "Smallville". Oh, there was "Heroes", which everyone abandoned after the first two seasons. There was "No Ordinary Family" which only lasted one season. How did "Birds' of Prey" do? How did "The Cape" do? How did the failed "Wonder Woman" show that never saw the light of day do? How did "The Tick" do? And you think a show about agents featuring NO superheroes will succeed? Please. I'm just being realistic.


Its not that people dont like superhero shows, its that superhero shows tend to suck. Smallville was pretty good, especially the later seasons, which is why it was on the air for 10 years. Why were the first two seasons of Heroes so insanely popular? Because they were great! The latter seasons sucked out loud and people stopped watching. Same with Birds of Prey and The Cape, interesting ideas, especially the former, but they just werent very good. How long was the original Incredible Hulk on for? The old Batman series? Buffy? Misfits? Alphas (started off kinda lame but got a lot better)? Dark Angel? All decent recent superheroy shows.

I think an issue will be that you cant ever have the budget a film does. Avengers was $220mil and 143 minutes long, at that rate, thatd be $70mil for a 45 minute episode. The most expensive shows ever (Rome, Game of Thrones) are like 1/10th that. With normal humans as the main characters though and no huge names to demand exorbitant salaries and modern CGI, i think theyll be able to pull off a decent enough series though.


FirstNationalBastard: Witty_Retort: I'm just glad there is no history of crime procedural dramas being successful on TV.

Get She Hulk involved in the Law and Order franchise and I WILL WATCH.

/Plus, they could paint Mariska Hargitay green.


See, that would be cool, a courtroom drama spinoff with Matt Murdock and Jennifer Walters, id watch the hell out of that.


PonceAlyosha: He should bring in Abigail Brand. He made her up and she's technically a SHIELD agent.


No shes not. SWORD is a separate agency. And if SWORD existed in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, they would have been the ones dealing with the Chitauri invasion, not SHIELD.
 
2012-10-02 04:03:45 PM  

robohobo: HeartBurnKid: FirstNationalBastard: Fano: FirstNationalBastard: Spunky young girl who can kick ass, brooding heartthrob with a dark past, brooding bad who turns good to impress spunky young girl who can kick ass, nerdy guy who turns into an asskicker, and snobby girl who turns out to have a heart of gold?

As long as Fin Fang Foom is present, I'm there.

[i6.photobucket.com image 799x659]

Have they ever explained why the hell Fin Fang Foom wears shorts? I mean, I can't imagine a giant f'n dragon making clothing a high priority...

He doesn't always. And what, you have a hankering for some dragon cock?


Well, we've already established that he has no genitals. So there is no dragon cock, massive or otherwise.

I'm just saying, who's his farking tailor?
 
2012-10-02 04:06:06 PM  
Screw S.H.I.E.L.D.

Give me H.A.T.E. Now that would make an awesome superhero/comedy/cop show.

but seriously, I'll give it a shot. Could be fun.
 
2012-10-02 04:08:49 PM  

Walker:

Wanna place some bets on how long this series will last? I give it 8 episodes tops...and that's being very generous. Even shows with ACTUAL superheroes in them don't do well on network TV. Name a superhero show in the last DECADE -- Hell, 15 years -- that has succeeded, besides "Smallville". Oh, there was "Heroes", which everyone abandoned after the first two seasons. There was "No Ordinary Family" which only lasted one season. How did "Birds' of Prey" do? How did "The Cape" do? How did the failed "Wonder Woman" show that never saw the light of day do? How did "The Tick" do? And you think a show about agents featuring NO superheroes will succeed? Please. I'm just being realistic.


It's really going to depend on how the network markets and schedules it. It's ABC, which has a pretty good track record with Secret agent type shows (See: Alias) with Joss Whedon as a writer (See: Roseanne). Given that they're bringing the show out on the heels of a Billion dollar movie release (See: Avengers) with the same writer/director/showrunner, as long as they only push the Marvel/Avengers angle enough to get folks interested and don't assign it to the Friday Night Death slot, we should see at least a full season. Depending on how much they have to rely on special guest casting from the movie franchises, and how they manage tie-in plot continuities with the movies, I'd put money on at least four seasons.
 
2012-10-02 04:09:11 PM  

HeartBurnKid: robohobo: HeartBurnKid: FirstNationalBastard: Fano: FirstNationalBastard: Spunky young girl who can kick ass, brooding heartthrob with a dark past, brooding bad who turns good to impress spunky young girl who can kick ass, nerdy guy who turns into an asskicker, and snobby girl who turns out to have a heart of gold?

As long as Fin Fang Foom is present, I'm there.

[i6.photobucket.com image 799x659]

Have they ever explained why the hell Fin Fang Foom wears shorts? I mean, I can't imagine a giant f'n dragon making clothing a high priority...

He doesn't always. And what, you have a hankering for some dragon cock?

Well, we've already established that he has no genitals. So there is no dragon cock, massive or otherwise.

I'm just saying, who's his farking tailor?


forums.elswordonline.com

Maybe his tailor thought he could use a DECENT PAIR OF PANTS.
 
2012-10-02 04:09:43 PM  
Hey guys, what's going in this thread?
 
2012-10-02 04:11:41 PM  

HeartBurnKid: robohobo: HeartBurnKid: FirstNationalBastard: Fano: FirstNationalBastard: Spunky young girl who can kick ass, brooding heartthrob with a dark past, brooding bad who turns good to impress spunky young girl who can kick ass, nerdy guy who turns into an asskicker, and snobby girl who turns out to have a heart of gold?

As long as Fin Fang Foom is present, I'm there.

[i6.photobucket.com image 799x659]

Have they ever explained why the hell Fin Fang Foom wears shorts? I mean, I can't imagine a giant f'n dragon making clothing a high priority...

He doesn't always. And what, you have a hankering for some dragon cock?

Well, we've already established that he has no genitals. So there is no dragon cock, massive or otherwise.

I'm just saying, who's his farking tailor?


Judging from that shade of purple, he steals them from the same dumpster Bruce Banner does.
 
2012-10-02 04:11:43 PM  

HeartBurnKid: robohobo: HeartBurnKid: FirstNationalBastard: Fano: FirstNationalBastard: Spunky young girl who can kick ass, brooding heartthrob with a dark past, brooding bad who turns good to impress spunky young girl who can kick ass, nerdy guy who turns into an asskicker, and snobby girl who turns out to have a heart of gold?

As long as Fin Fang Foom is present, I'm there.

[i6.photobucket.com image 799x659]

Have they ever explained why the hell Fin Fang Foom wears shorts? I mean, I can't imagine a giant f'n dragon making clothing a high priority...

He doesn't always. And what, you have a hankering for some dragon cock?

Well, we've already established that he has no genitals. So there is no dragon cock, massive or otherwise.

I'm just saying, who's his farking tailor?


Same guy who makes Banner's pants? IIRC, there's a tailor in Marvel's NYC who specializes in villains' costumes. I forget his name.

oi47.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-02 04:12:59 PM  

robohobo: HeartBurnKid: robohobo: HeartBurnKid: FirstNationalBastard: Fano: FirstNationalBastard: Spunky young girl who can kick ass, brooding heartthrob with a dark past, brooding bad who turns good to impress spunky young girl who can kick ass, nerdy guy who turns into an asskicker, and snobby girl who turns out to have a heart of gold?

As long as Fin Fang Foom is present, I'm there.

[i6.photobucket.com image 799x659]

Have they ever explained why the hell Fin Fang Foom wears shorts? I mean, I can't imagine a giant f'n dragon making clothing a high priority...

He doesn't always. And what, you have a hankering for some dragon cock?

Well, we've already established that he has no genitals. So there is no dragon cock, massive or otherwise.

I'm just saying, who's his farking tailor?

Same guy who makes Banner's pants? IIRC, there's a tailor in Marvel's NYC who specializes in villains' costumes. I forget his name.

[oi47.tinypic.com image 850x696]


I was literally in the process of posting that. Good thing I scrolled down.
 
2012-10-02 04:17:52 PM  

Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.


No, they want to see what Whedon does.

I still miss Dollhouse
 
2012-10-02 04:19:48 PM  
Leo Zelinkski, he's the MU tailor. Paul Gambi in the DCU.
 
2012-10-02 04:20:56 PM  

lordaction: Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.

No, they want to see what Whedon does.

I still miss Dollhouse


Dollhouse brought the ruckus, no need to be ashamed. Loved it, was also terrified by it.
 
2012-10-02 04:27:48 PM  

Walker: Name a superhero show in the last DECADE -


Misfits. booyah
 
2012-10-02 04:28:58 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Walker: Name a superhero show in the last DECADE -

Misfits. booyah


Is that the show with all the trashy chavs?
 
2012-10-02 04:31:06 PM  

Tax Boy: The first five characters from Joss Wheadon's SHIELD?

S
H
I
E
L

?


Dude who is evil in the first season then slowly becomes good eventually joining the main cast as a hero.

Then Joss kills his girlfriend.
 
2012-10-02 04:38:10 PM  

robohobo: Uchiha_Cycliste: Walker: Name a superhero show in the last DECADE -

Misfits. booyah

Is that the show with all the trashy chavs?


trashy chavs... with super powers =D
 
2012-10-02 04:43:23 PM  

SirTanon: Masso: Agent Coulson LIVES. Fark anyone who say otherwise. HE LIVES GODDAMNIT

Coulson didn't die in the Avengers movie. I guarantee it. They made it LOOK like he died, but he didn't. "They just needed a push."


Agreed. It's one of the rules of comic books and comic book movies:

If a character death doesn't happen completely on screen, is not verified by at least three different characters who witnessed the death, and doesn't have a funeral/memorial, then they're not actually dead.
 
2012-10-02 04:57:52 PM  

Walker: Confabulat: You can tell how nerds will never be happy though with the very first c*mment in this thread.

If you asked a comic geek 10 years ago, hey what if you knew Joss Whedon will be making a SHIELD TV show in the near future? And they'd all pass out in wonderment and excitement and frantically try to get old to catch up to such a time.

Then it really happens, and you get Walker above.

Wanna place some bets on how long this series will last? I give it 8 episodes tops...and that's being very generous. Even shows with ACTUAL superheroes in them don't do well on network TV. Name a superhero show in the last DECADE -- Hell, 15 years -- that has succeeded, besides "Smallville". Oh, there was "Heroes", which everyone abandoned after the first two seasons. There was "No Ordinary Family" which only lasted one season. How did "Birds' of Prey" do? How did "The Cape" do? How did the failed "Wonder Woman" show that never saw the light of day do? How did "The Tick" do? And you think a show about agents featuring NO superheroes will succeed? Please. I'm just being realistic.


Yeah, that X-files show was a piece of crap. Fringe? Garbage lucky to last a season. Buffy? Call me when you get a cape blondie. Supernatural? What is it with you non-superheroes meddling in the affairs of the super-natural of magical - get a clue!

For real, an X-files/Buffy mix is the only way a SHEILD show COULD work for more than 6 episodes.
 
2012-10-02 05:05:19 PM  

Teufelaffe: SirTanon: Masso: Agent Coulson LIVES. Fark anyone who say otherwise. HE LIVES GODDAMNIT

Coulson didn't die in the Avengers movie. I guarantee it. They made it LOOK like he died, but he didn't. "They just needed a push."

Agreed. It's one of the rules of comic books and comic book movies:

If a character death doesn't happen completely on screen, is not verified by at least three different characters who witnessed the death, and doesn't have a funeral/memorial, then they're not actually dead.


And even in the face of the Munchkin Coroner singing: "As Coroner I must aver, I thoroughly examined her, and she's not only merely dead, she's really most sincerely dead" the only way to reliably stay dead is death by origin story like Uncle Ben, Batman's parent's and the alien that gave Hal the Green Lantern ring.
 
2012-10-02 05:05:58 PM  

FuturePastNow: Dear Joss, stop hiring the same actors for every television series you make. Thanks.


Angel was a spin off from Buffy, so clearly had some of the same cast.

Then came Firefly, and that had an all new cast. The only regular who had worked with Whedon before was Summer Glau who had virtually a cameo with one or two lines in a single episode of Angel.

Then came Dollhouse, and again not one of the regular cast Whedon hired had worked with him before.

Even Dr Horrible, made with his own money and calling in favors, only had two out of the four main characters people he'd worked with before.

So what makes you think he hired the same actors for every series he makes?
 
2012-10-02 05:10:43 PM  
My wife is a big Joss Wheadon fan and has been watching a lot of Dollhouse while I sit not too far away doing far more productive things like playing Borderlands 2.

Anyway, that show is terrible. I mean once you get past the part that Eliza Dushku, a girl who looks like she can barely make a fist, is supposed to be some sort of secret agent killer, the entire cast of characters can be summarized like this:

1) There's the douche bag.
2) The annoying douche bag.
3) The bland box of macaroni person.
4) The please shut up your pie hole is grating my ears lady.
5) That one dude who delivers every line with hilariously inappropriate gravity.
6) Best friend of the annoying douche bag, who is also an annoying douche bag.

Maybe the plot is good (I don't think so) and the writing is good in general (not that I've seen), but I can't get past how bad everything else about the show is (especially the cast).

Hell, I was purposely looking for something positive to say about this show and I settled on the sound track. Then I realized, nope - that sucks too.
 
2012-10-02 05:12:51 PM  

HeartBurnKid: FirstNationalBastard: Fano: FirstNationalBastard: Spunky young girl who can kick ass, brooding heartthrob with a dark past, brooding bad who turns good to impress spunky young girl who can kick ass, nerdy guy who turns into an asskicker, and snobby girl who turns out to have a heart of gold?

As long as Fin Fang Foom is present, I'm there.

[i6.photobucket.com image 799x659]

Have they ever explained why the hell Fin Fang Foom wears shorts? I mean, I can't imagine a giant f'n dragon making clothing a high priority...


THIS. :D One gets the impression FFF is a bit of a prude--doubly so when it's entirely likely that dragons are archosaurs or archosaur-analogues and probably have internal Naughty Bits (yes, even the guys--actually it's us synapsids that are weird in having external Naughty Bits).

Then again, we're also talking about a farking draconic alien-thingie in a comic book that's the supposed origin of lung legends, so who the hell knows what the actual physiology of Makluans :D

(Also, it appears the Pants Thing may be a bit of a stigmata from his resurrection at the hands of a Chinese-American, a thousand lizards, and a curio-shop, which is where Avengers readers would be familiar with him. He sure didn't have a problem with Scalybutt Nudity in the 30s when he was fighting Maoists, at any rate. :D Maybe the poor scalybutt just needs some therapy and a Makluan version of Grey's Anatomy to reassure him that public nudity laws don't really apply to lung-like creatures. :D)
 
2012-10-02 05:16:59 PM  

Flint Ironstag: FuturePastNow: Dear Joss, stop hiring the same actors for every television series you make. Thanks.

Angel was a spin off from Buffy, so clearly had some of the same cast.

Then came Firefly, and that had an all new cast. The only regular who had worked with Whedon before was Summer Glau who had virtually a cameo with one or two lines in a single episode of Angel.

Then came Dollhouse, and again not one of the regular cast Whedon hired had worked with him before.

Even Dr Horrible, made with his own money and calling in favors, only had two out of the four main characters people he'd worked with before.

So what makes you think he hired the same actors for every series he makes?


Because...um...Socialism?  Wait, wrong tab, dammit.
 
2012-10-02 05:28:51 PM  

Flint Ironstag: FuturePastNow: Dear Joss, stop hiring the same actors for every television series you make. Thanks.

Angel was a spin off from Buffy, so clearly had some of the same cast.

Then came Firefly, and that had an all new cast. The only regular who had worked with Whedon before was Summer Glau who had virtually a cameo with one or two lines in a single episode of Angel.


True, but then when Firefly got canceled he gave half the cast roles on Buffy and Angel.

Then came Dollhouse, and again not one of the regular cast Whedon hired had worked with him before.

Uh... Eliza Dushku was a regular and then occasionally reoccurring character on Buffy for several seasons and Amy Acker was a regular on Angel, and Topher was a reoccurring character on Buffy for several seasons. Then there were reoccurring characters played by Alan Tudyk and Summer Glau. And Felicia Day was a regular minor character in the last season of Buffy.

Even Dr Horrible, made with his own money and calling in favors, only had two out of the four main characters people he'd worked with before.

Uh, three outa the four, hed worked with Fillion and Day and the guy from Big Bang Theory was a reoccurring character on Buffy for quite a while.

So what makes you think he hired the same actors for every series he makes?

Because he does. Although im not sure that its something to criticize him for, lots of directors do that.
 
2012-10-02 05:34:48 PM  

Cyno01: Because he does. Although im not sure that its something to criticize him for, lots of directors do that.


Interesting table, but it's kind of silly that they list Firefly and Serenity separately.
 
2012-10-02 05:36:42 PM  
I'm glad to see someone is finally tapping the universe of comic books for ideas to make TV shows. I bet this will really surprise a lot of viewers.
 
2012-10-02 05:43:14 PM  

Cyno01: Flint Ironstag: FuturePastNow: Dear Joss, stop hiring the same actors for every television series you make. Thanks.

Angel was a spin off from Buffy, so clearly had some of the same cast.

Then came Firefly, and that had an all new cast. The only regular who had worked with Whedon before was Summer Glau who had virtually a cameo with one or two lines in a single episode of Angel.

True, but then when Firefly got canceled he gave half the cast roles on Buffy and Angel.

Then came Dollhouse, and again not one of the regular cast Whedon hired had worked with him before.

Uh... Eliza Dushku was a regular and then occasionally reoccurring character on Buffy for several seasons and Amy Acker was a regular on Angel, and Topher was a reoccurring character on Buffy for several seasons. Then there were reoccurring characters played by Alan Tudyk and Summer Glau. And Felicia Day was a regular minor character in the last season of Buffy.

Even Dr Horrible, made with his own money and calling in favors, only had two out of the four main characters people he'd worked with before.

Uh, three outa the four, hed worked with Fillion and Day and the guy from Big Bang Theory was a reoccurring character on Buffy for quite a while.

So what makes you think he hired the same actors for every series he makes?

Because he does. Although im not sure that its something to criticize him for, lots of directors do that.


Whedon didn't hire Eliza Dushku for Dollhouse. It was her development deal with Fox first, then she got Whedon on board. He didn't hire her, she effectively hired him.
Amy Acker was never a regular on Dollhouse, she was just 'Recurring' and only in a handful of episodes.
Topher (Fran Kranz) has never been on Buffy or any other Whedon TV series.

From Dr Horrible 'that guy from Big Bang' was Simon Hedburg and he never appeared on Buffy.
 
2012-10-02 05:46:43 PM  

Teufelaffe: Cyno01: Because he does. Although im not sure that its something to criticize him for, lots of directors do that.

Interesting table, but it's kind of silly that they list Firefly and Serenity separately.


And Buffy and Angel. Angel was a spin off that had characters moving between the shows. It can't really count as repeat casting if they are playing the same character!

Merge Buffy/Angel and Firefly/Serenity and then take out Much Ado which is a get together of his friends and making a movie in his own home and the list looks a lot less impressive.
 
2012-10-02 05:50:50 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Teufelaffe: Cyno01: Because he does. Although im not sure that its something to criticize him for, lots of directors do that.

Interesting table, but it's kind of silly that they list Firefly and Serenity separately.

And Buffy and Angel. Angel was a spin off that had characters moving between the shows. It can't really count as repeat casting if they are playing the same character!

Merge Buffy/Angel and Firefly/Serenity and then take out Much Ado which is a get together of his friends and making a movie in his own home and the list looks a lot less impressive.


Plus Jeremy Renner and Chris Hemsworth were already in The Avengers before Whedon got attached. He didn't cast them. Pure coincidence he'd worked with them before.
 
2012-10-02 05:53:12 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Whedon didn't hire Eliza Dushku for Dollhouse. It was her development deal with Fox first, then she got Whedon on board. He didn't hire her, she effectively hired him.
Amy Acker was never a regular on Dollhouse, she was just 'Recurring' and only in a handful of episodes.
Topher (Fran Kranz) has never been on Buffy or any other Whedon TV series.

From Dr Horrible 'that guy from Big Bang' was Simon Hedburg and he never appeared on Buffy.



If you want to get pedantic about Dushku, from the IMDB trivia page on dollhouse:

"Eliza Dushku and Joss Whedon came up with the premise of the show, while having lunch and talking about her career options."

And, as for Dr. Saunders, well have to agree to disagree, i think over half the episodes is more than a handful.But again from the IMDB trivia:

"The character of Dr. Saunders was originally written to be much older, but Joss Whedon rewrote the character so he could cast Amy Acker."

But i stand corrected on Hedburg and Kranz, i coulda sworn they were the nerds on buffy, but i guess not.
 
2012-10-02 06:06:02 PM  

Cyno01: Flint Ironstag: Whedon didn't hire Eliza Dushku for Dollhouse. It was her development deal with Fox first, then she got Whedon on board. He didn't hire her, she effectively hired him.
Amy Acker was never a regular on Dollhouse, she was just 'Recurring' and only in a handful of episodes.
Topher (Fran Kranz) has never been on Buffy or any other Whedon TV series.

From Dr Horrible 'that guy from Big Bang' was Simon Hedburg and he never appeared on Buffy.


If you want to get pedantic about Dushku, from the IMDB trivia page on dollhouse:

"Eliza Dushku and Joss Whedon came up with the premise of the show, while having lunch and talking about her career options."

And, as for Dr. Saunders, well have to agree to disagree, i think over half the episodes is more than a handful.But again from the IMDB trivia:

"The character of Dr. Saunders was originally written to be much older, but Joss Whedon rewrote the character so he could cast Amy Acker."

But i stand corrected on Hedburg and Kranz, i coulda sworn they were the nerds on buffy, but i guess not.


I take your point on Amy Acker, she was in more episodes than I thought, but still wasn't a regular, of which there seven.

That lunch meeting Dushku and Whedon had was because she had already signed the deal with Fox and asked him to lunch for advice. So he didn't hire her, he agreed to work on her production deal with Fox. Fox had already agreed to make a show starring her, before Whedon got involved.

The point is with every new show he has made he has overwhelmingly hired new actors for all the main roles, yet this myth of "he only hires the same actors again and again" continues. From what I can see he hires the best actor for the part, whether he's worked with them before or not. Lots of producers and directors do far worse. Look at Ricky Gervaise guessing Helena Bonham Carter as the leading lady for the Tim Burton movie in that scene with Johnny Depp.
 
2012-10-02 06:26:53 PM  

robohobo: HeartBurnKid: FirstNationalBastard: Fano: FirstNationalBastard: Spunky young girl who can kick ass, brooding heartthrob with a dark past, brooding bad who turns good to impress spunky young girl who can kick ass, nerdy guy who turns into an asskicker, and snobby girl who turns out to have a heart of gold?

As long as Fin Fang Foom is present, I'm there.

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Have they ever explained why the hell Fin Fang Foom wears shorts? I mean, I can't imagine a giant f'n dragon making clothing a high priority...

He doesn't always. And what, you have a hankering for some dragon cock?


Doesn't everyone?
 
2012-10-02 06:30:40 PM  
Will watch anything from Joss Whedon!!! Yup!!!
 
2012-10-02 06:35:17 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Cyno01: Flint Ironstag: Whedon didn't hire Eliza Dushku for Dollhouse. It was her development deal with Fox first, then she got Whedon on board. He didn't hire her, she effectively hired him.
Amy Acker was never a regular on Dollhouse, she was just 'Recurring' and only in a handful of episodes.
Topher (Fran Kranz) has never been on Buffy or any other Whedon TV series.

From Dr Horrible 'that guy from Big Bang' was Simon Hedburg and he never appeared on Buffy.


If you want to get pedantic about Dushku, from the IMDB trivia page on dollhouse:

"Eliza Dushku and Joss Whedon came up with the premise of the show, while having lunch and talking about her career options."

And, as for Dr. Saunders, well have to agree to disagree, i think over half the episodes is more than a handful.But again from the IMDB trivia:

"The character of Dr. Saunders was originally written to be much older, but Joss Whedon rewrote the character so he could cast Amy Acker."

But i stand corrected on Hedburg and Kranz, i coulda sworn they were the nerds on buffy, but i guess not.

I take your point on Amy Acker, she was in more episodes than I thought, but still wasn't a regular, of which there seven.

That lunch meeting Dushku and Whedon had was because she had already signed the deal with Fox and asked him to lunch for advice. So he didn't hire her, he agreed to work on her production deal with Fox. Fox had already agreed to make a show starring her, before Whedon got involved.

The point is with every new show he has made he has overwhelmingly hired new actors for all the main roles, yet this myth of "he only hires the same actors again and again" continues. From what I can see he hires the best actor for the part, whether he's worked with them before or not. Lots of producers and directors do far worse. Look at Ricky Gervaise guessing Helena Bonham Carter as the leading lady for the Tim Burton movie in that scene with Johnny Depp.


Not to mention Scorcese, Tarantino, etc. Silly to not want to work with someone who you know understands your process.
 
2012-10-02 06:35:52 PM  
Stop trying to make Eliza Dushku happen.
 
2012-10-02 06:48:22 PM  

Eustacia Vye: Stop trying to make Eliza Dushku happen.


Especially since I have no plans on letting her out of my basement.
 
2012-10-02 06:52:38 PM  

Eustacia Vye: Stop trying to make Eliza Dushku happen.


I actually agree with many people who said she was wrong for Dollhouse. She's got that 'look' that some actors have that means you always see 'them'. Like Sean Connery. Even when playing a Russian sub captain you are never in any doubt he is Sean Connery. In the right part he, and Eliza, are great.

It also didn't help that she was already known, even typecast, when the show appeared. Accepting her as different characters each week was always going to be a struggle. Enver Gjokaj nailed it, but how much of that was helped by the fact we'd never seen him before?
 
2012-10-02 06:53:45 PM  

Teufelaffe: Eustacia Vye: Stop trying to make Eliza Dushku happen.

Especially since I have no plans on letting her out of my basement.


Then who the hell do I have in my cellar!?


/Have met her.
//She is even hotter than I thought.
 
2012-10-02 06:59:01 PM  
Where's Dum Dum Dugan? Clay Quartermain? Countess Fontaine? Gabe Jones? Izzy Cohen?

They're the characters that should be the focus of a SHIELD TV series.
 
2012-10-02 07:01:39 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: Where's Dum Dum Dugan? Clay Quartermain? Countess Fontaine? Gabe Jones? Izzy Cohen?

They're the characters that should be the focus of a SHIELD TV series.


They got their screentime.

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2012-10-02 07:07:13 PM  

WhoGAS: bluenote13: I think the initial reviews were not as bad as you would expect. Smallville suffered from what a friend called "Lana-itis".

That's exactly why I stopped watching it. If i saw her whiny little crying face again, I was going to lose it. If she'd had pulled a Vanessa Hudgens (I could bear to imagine her nude through Journey 2), I may have continued but I just couldn't take a chance at her showing up again.


OH DEAR GOD - 1000% THAT. The whole "do I tell Lana or not?" angst crap got old real fast, yet the writers beat that horse into a fine paste. Then they doubled down on the stupid and gave us the "Lana loves Lex" derpfest, which made me want to throw my TV into traffic. It's no coincidence that Smallville got way better after Kreuk left. (Too bad Rosenbaum left as well - he was the best Lex ever. Though at least his appearances on "Breaking In" made up for it)
 
2012-10-02 07:09:27 PM  

robohobo: lordaction: Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.

No, they want to see what Whedon does.

I still miss Dollhouse

Dollhouse brought the ruckus, no need to be ashamed. Loved it, was also terrified by it.


Loved the show, hated the last few episodes.
 
2012-10-02 07:12:29 PM  

jonny_q: Teufelaffe: Yeah, I'm thinking Gina Torres, Gina Carano, Katee Sackhoff, Rhona Mitra, Stana Katic, Charlize Theron...all would be exponentially better casting choices. Of course, of those, Gina and Katee are probably the only ones they could actually get.

Katoo Sackhoff has looked like hell is everything I've seen her in outside BSG.

Gina Torres is too busy being the awesome head of a law firm on Suits, which just finished it's second short season. That shows deserves better treatment than the 10-episode runs it's getting now. Everything about that second season was awesome, including her.


The 2nd season isn't over....just split into two parts. The second half of the season starts up in November.

Oh, and I completely agree with you on the awesomeness of Gina Torres and Suits. I can't wait to see what happens to that douchebag Hardeman and his pet rat Louis now that his ass was voted out of the firm.
 
2012-10-02 07:12:41 PM  
I hope they take a lesson from Shakespeare: the best characters are conflicted characters. Like captain Mal: torn between his sense of honor and fair play, versus the law, versus his devotion to his crew, versus his financial need to turn in River.
 
2012-10-02 07:16:09 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: robohobo: Uchiha_Cycliste: Walker: Name a superhero show in the last DECADE -

Misfits. booyah

Is that the show with all the trashy chavs?

trashy chavs... with super powers =D


All 3 seasons are free to watch on Hulu. Do it, you wankers, or i'll kick the shiate out of yer bloody arses!
 
2012-10-02 07:26:53 PM  

Breathe Laugh Twitch: I hope they take a lesson from Shakespeare: the best characters are conflicted characters. Like captain Mal: torn between his sense of honor and fair play, versus the law, versus his devotion to his crew, versus his financial need to turn in River.


Versus his desire to bend Inara over the cargo railing and drill her until they both walk funny.
 
2012-10-02 08:05:07 PM  

Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.


Not me.

To me, superheroes are boring because they are impossible. I want to see what regular humans can conceivably do, not what a stupid pointless deity can do.
 
2012-10-02 08:34:33 PM  

Breathe Laugh Twitch: Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.

Not me.

To me, superheroes are boring because they are impossible. I want to see what regular humans can conceivably do, not what a stupid pointless deity can do.


Well, in the world of fiction, regular humans can do pretty much anything.
 
2012-10-02 08:38:25 PM  

Breathe Laugh Twitch: Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.

Not me.

To me, superheroes are boring because they are impossible. I want to see what regular humans can conceivably do, not what a stupid pointless deity can do.


Being bored by the impossible sounds like a horribly drab and unsatisfying way to live life. You have my pity.
 
2012-10-02 10:10:50 PM  
They should just let Quake run the show. I do like the idea of them battling all the Marvel C-list rouges. BATROC THE LEAPER FOR THE WIN!
 
2012-10-02 10:12:54 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Breathe Laugh Twitch: Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.

Not me.

To me, superheroes are boring because they are impossible. I want to see what regular humans can conceivably do, not what a stupid pointless deity can do.

Being bored by the impossible sounds like a horribly drab and unsatisfying way to live life. You have my pity.


My dad was like that. He wouldn't even watch cartoons like The Simpsons because "they aren't real."

Eventually he got old and all he would watch was C-SPAN.
 
2012-10-02 10:19:33 PM  

Breathe Laugh Twitch: Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.

Not me.

To me, superheroes are boring because they are impossible. I want to see what regular humans can conceivably do, not what a stupid pointless deity can do.


Maybe you are unfamiliar with the concept of metaphor? Buffy The Vampire Slayer, for example, was never about vampires. It was about school, relationships, family, work etc. The monster of the week was only the B-Story used to contrast the A-Story.
 
2012-10-02 10:33:04 PM  

Son of Thunder: Pashc: FTA: AGENT ALTHEA RICE | Also known as "The Calvary,"

So...she's a hill in Jerusalem where Jesus was crucified? That's an interesting alter-ego, I must say.

I came here to say that.

/shakes tiny cross in impotent rage


You know what would be weirder? If the Romans crucified someone on horse-mounted soldiers.
 
2012-10-02 11:01:22 PM  

Breathe Laugh Twitch: Walker: Nobody cares about a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, they want to see superheroes.

"But....but....people loved The Avengers and that had S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in it"

They went to see The Avengers for the Superheroes, not for the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents you dumbf*ck.

Not me.

To me, superheroes are boring because they are impossible. I want to see what regular humans can conceivably do, not what a stupid pointless deity can do.


That's why Iron Man and Batman are way more awesome than Green Lantern and Superman.
 
2012-10-02 11:24:59 PM  

Cyno01: FuryOfFirestorm: Where's Dum Dum Dugan? Clay Quartermain? Countess Fontaine? Gabe Jones? Izzy Cohen?

They're the characters that should be the focus of a SHIELD TV series.

They got their screentime.

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And if you saw the Avengers deleted scenes, Captain America is going over their old files and they're all dead! What the fark, man?
 
2012-10-03 12:56:37 AM  

jamjoe: Will watch anything from Joss Whedon!!! Yup!!!


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2012-10-03 05:38:45 AM  

tom baker's scarf: SKYE | This late-20s woman sounds like a dream: fun, smart, caring and confident - with an ability to get the upper hand by using her wit and charm.

AKA Inaria

AGENT GRANT WARD | Quite the physical specimen and "cool under fire," he sometimes botches interpersonal relations. He's a quiet one with a bit of a temper, but he's the kind of guy that grows on you.

AKA Jayne or Malcolm

AGENT ALTHEA RICE | Also known as "The Calvary," this hard-core soldier has crazy skills when it comes to weapons and being a pilot. But her experiences have left her very quiet and a little damaged.

AKA Zoe

AGENT LEO FITZ and AGENT JEMMA SIMMONS | These two came through training together and still choose to spend most of their time in each other's company. Their sibling-like relationship is reinforced by their shared nerd tendencies - she deals with biology and chemistry, he's a whiz at the technical side of weaponry.

AKA Simon and River

Soon to be named agents: one who is a bit quirky and primarily is responsible for transportation and the delightful if slightly introverted and naive engineer that makes all the new toys and fixes stuff.

Christ just let him make Firefly and lets move on.


If you ever want to ruin Joss Whedon for yourself forever, watch Aliens Resurrection(1997) and Serenity(2005) back to back on a long afternoon at home. The characters aren't exactly the same... but the same facets are there, just in slightly different combinations. It doesn't take long to realize that Whedon has said all he's ever going to say via the medium.
 
2012-10-03 09:29:35 AM  

starsrift: If you ever want to ruin Joss Whedon for yourself forever, watch Aliens Resurrection(1997) and Serenity(2005) back to back on a long afternoon at home. The characters aren't exactly the same... but the same facets are there, just in slightly different combinations. It doesn't take long to realize that Whedon has said all he's ever going to say via the medium.


That's kind of a silly thing to say... characters in two of his movies are similar, therefore everything he does is all the same?
 
2012-10-03 11:45:55 AM  
Oh noes! Joss Whedon has a tendency to visibly embrace character archetypes and common but effective plot elements! What a hack!
 
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