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(The New York Times)   The U.S. is abandoning hope for a peace deal with the Taliban. Fark: The U.S. had hope for a peace deal with the Taliban   (nytimes.com) divider line 124
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2012-10-02 11:49:22 AM
For your tl;dr needs: How Insurgencies End (RAND, Press release.)
 
2012-10-02 12:22:30 PM
cant reason with a death cult
 
2012-10-02 12:25:26 PM
Talibanis... I hate these guys...
 
2012-10-02 12:25:53 PM

Joe Blowme: cant reason with a death cult


Exactly. But anyway, this will all be over once the Revelations goes down.
 
2012-10-02 12:26:04 PM
Time to bring in the Ivans.
 
2012-10-02 12:26:24 PM
bring them home. fark it.
 
2012-10-02 12:28:54 PM
Maybe once the Republicans win the next election they can approach the Taliban.

"Look, we're all extremists here. You hate gays? WE hate gays? You love shootin' guns? WE love shootin' guns! You think women need to know their place? Hey! So do we! People of a different race frighten and confuse you? Guess what.... Yup! Us too! So, c'mon, even though you believe in some funny Muhammed-y stuff and haven't discovered Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Amen Amen Amen, we can all get along, right? We want the same things, you just have some silly beliefs about a big black cube thing. We can overlook that. Hey, by the way, what do you think about Mexicans? We might have a job for you."
 
2012-10-02 12:29:09 PM

Biness: bring them home. fark it.


yep. especially now that the taliban has infiltrated the afghani police force. imagine training some guy and he turns around and opens up.
 
2012-10-02 12:29:21 PM

Joe Blowme: cant reason with a death cult


Al Qaeda was the death cult. The Taliban was just their buddies -- all they aspired to was to rule Afghanistan with an iron fist.
 
2012-10-02 12:29:49 PM
In November when Obama is re-elected all of this will magically straighten itself out and we'll all be good.
No worries.
Everyone in the military will come home in 2014, we can draw down U.S. forces overall and ever thing will be honkey-dorey in the Middle East.
Shait, get the president another Nobel Peace Prize STAT!!
 
2012-10-02 12:30:15 PM
www.handgunclub.com

We should air drop millions of these things with 50 rounds each attached. They were excellent for killing Nazi occupiers and sympathizers.

They won't shoot down a helicopter or blow up a tank but they will put a nice hole in the back of a Taliban noggin at a market or mosque. Close up. Just like the Taliban like it.

Make it impossible for the Taliban to mix with the locals.
 
2012-10-02 12:30:29 PM

Perducci: Maybe once the Republicans win the next election they can approach the Taliban.

"Look, we're all extremists here. You hate gays? WE hate gays? You love shootin' guns? WE love shootin' guns! You think women need to know their place? Hey! So do we! People of a different race frighten and confuse you? Guess what.... Yup! Us too! So, c'mon, even though you believe in some funny Muhammed-y stuff and haven't discovered Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Amen Amen Amen, we can all get along, right? We want the same things, you just have some silly beliefs about a big black cube thing. We can overlook that. Hey, by the way, what do you think about Mexicans? We might have a job for you."


either mind blowingly dumb or a 0/10 troll effort
 
2012-10-02 12:32:03 PM
I can't imagine anyone held any true hope of negotiating peace with the Taliban, but I'm glad it was attempted. I understand the necessities of war, but that doesn't mean peace isn't worth pursuing, even with a group like the Taliban.
 
2012-10-02 12:33:06 PM
Wipe them out.... all of them.
 
2012-10-02 12:34:10 PM

Perducci: Maybe once the Republicans win the next election they can approach the Taliban.

"Look, we're all extremists here. You hate gays? WE hate gays? You love shootin' guns? WE love shootin' guns! You think women need to know their place? Hey! So do we! People of a different race frighten and confuse you? Guess what.... Yup! Us too! So, c'mon, even though you believe in some funny Muhammed-y stuff and haven't discovered Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Amen Amen Amen, we can all get along, right? We want the same things, you just have some silly beliefs about a big black cube thing. We can overlook that. Hey, by the way, what do you think about Mexicans? We might have a job for you."


So much THIS. The only difference between the GOP and the Taliban is which invisible sky wizard they pray to and what they can get away with doing. The only reason the christaliban aren't stoning loose women and blowing up religious icons of other faiths is that they can't get away with it (yet).
 
2012-10-02 12:34:14 PM
Hoping for a deal isn't as crazy as it sounds.
Pakistan has long had essentially the same deal we were pursuing with essentially the same people: you live how you want in your villages, we'll live how we want in our cities and we'll both leave each other alone. It's realistically the best avenue to stability in the near term.

Trick is we've farked up enough that there are plenty of sympathizers in the cities who want the US gone more than they want the Taliban to stop throwing acid in schoolgirl's faces.
And when you're on the losing end of that comparison: it's past time to leave. You've lost. If we insist on waiting out GWB's time-table, at least pull back to the bases and hand over day-to-day security. Let the CIA/drones do their thing if you must, but certainly stop the charade that we're providing peace in any measure. Hell, at the point that we don't even run joint patrols anymore for fear of Afghani recruits opening fire on their US counterparts, the idea that our presence is making anything more safe is absurd on its face.
 
2012-10-02 12:34:43 PM

Crushinator: Wipe them out.... all of them.


Exactly.
Fark those motherfarking motherfarkers all to hell and piss on the ashes.
ANyone making a deal with them is a traitor, and a treasonous bastard, and should be hanged by the farking neck until dead, dead, dead.

FARK YOU FOR MAKING DEALS WITH THE TALIBAN, mother farkers.!!
 
2012-10-02 12:35:33 PM
fark those stupid, violent sons of biatches.

carpet bomb that shiat hole into oblivion and be done with it. farking shiat.
 
2012-10-02 12:35:51 PM

geek_mars: I can't imagine anyone held any true hope of negotiating peace with the Taliban, but I'm glad it was attempted. I understand the necessities of war, but that doesn't mean peace isn't worth pursuing, even with a group like the Taliban.


www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk
We shall have peace in our time.

Not disagreeing with your sentiment, but there can be no discussion with the taliban. There can be no peace between freedom and despotism. The trouble is we never fought this war with an eye towards winning it.
 
GBB
2012-10-02 12:36:12 PM

geek_mars: I can't imagine anyone held any true hope of negotiating peace with the Taliban, but I'm glad it was attempted. I understand the necessities of war, but that doesn't mean peace isn't worth pursuing, even with a group like the Taliban.


There is no peace with a group that is told that you MUST die because you do not believe what they do.
 
2012-10-02 12:37:32 PM

Rapmaster2000: Joe Blowme: cant reason with a death cult

Exactly. But anyway, this will all be over once the Revelations goes down.


Yeahhhhh, like the one Sarah Palin was in? Or GWB?
 
2012-10-02 12:39:27 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs:

Make it impossible for the Taliban to mix with the locals.


Approved. Please proceed.
 
2012-10-02 12:40:09 PM

Reverend Monkeypants: Rapmaster2000: Joe Blowme: cant reason with a death cult

Exactly. But anyway, this will all be over once the Revelations goes down.

Yeahhhhh, like the one Sarah Palin was in? Or GWB?


I just know that when Jesus returns and all the nonbelievers and Jews are sent to burn for eternity in the Lake of Fire, it's going to be sweet. Almost as sweet as living forever in the sky with Jesus. Won't that be great?

It'll be like going to Church everyday, all day, for eternity! Hallelujah!
 
2012-10-02 12:40:47 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: [www.handgunclub.com image 500x329]

We should air drop millions of these things with 50 rounds each attached. They were excellent for killing Nazi occupiers and sympathizers.

They won't shoot down a helicopter or blow up a tank but they will put a nice hole in the back of a Taliban noggin at a market or mosque. Close up. Just like the Taliban like it.

Make it impossible for the Taliban to mix with the locals.


What happened the last time the US govt started handing out guns?
 
2012-10-02 12:41:33 PM

clyph: Perducci: Maybe once the Republicans win the next election they can approach the Taliban.

"Look, we're all extremists here. You hate gays? WE hate gays? You love shootin' guns? WE love shootin' guns! You think women need to know their place? Hey! So do we! People of a different race frighten and confuse you? Guess what.... Yup! Us too! So, c'mon, even though you believe in some funny Muhammed-y stuff and haven't discovered Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Amen Amen Amen, we can all get along, right? We want the same things, you just have some silly beliefs about a big black cube thing. We can overlook that. Hey, by the way, what do you think about Mexicans? We might have a job for you."

So much THIS. The only difference between the GOP and the Taliban is which invisible sky wizard they pray to and what they can get away with doing. The only reason the christaliban aren't stoning loose women and blowing up religious icons of other faiths is that they can't get away with it (yet).


Seriously? You hate one political party this much that you think, given the chance, they would act like the Taliban?

Give it a rest. Seriously. Or go live in a country where oppression actually exists.

/not a Republican
 
2012-10-02 12:42:17 PM
Oblig.

www.legitgov.org
 
2012-10-02 12:42:23 PM

Biness: Perducci: Maybe once the Republicans win the next election they can approach the Taliban.

"Look, we're all extremists here. You hate gays? WE hate gays? You love shootin' guns? WE love shootin' guns! You think women need to know their place? Hey! So do we! People of a different race frighten and confuse you? Guess what.... Yup! Us too! So, c'mon, even though you believe in some funny Muhammed-y stuff and haven't discovered Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Amen Amen Amen, we can all get along, right? We want the same things, you just have some silly beliefs about a big black cube thing. We can overlook that. Hey, by the way, what do you think about Mexicans? We might have a job for you."

either mind blowingly dumb or a 0/10 troll effort


Got one butthurt republican bite, so it can't be a zero.
 
2012-10-02 12:42:28 PM

vudukungfu: Crushinator: Wipe them out.... all of them.

Exactly.
Fark those motherfarking motherfarkers all to hell and piss on the ashes.
ANyone making a deal with them is a traitor, and a treasonous bastard, and should be hanged by the farking neck until dead, dead, dead.

FARK YOU FOR MAKING DEALS WITH THE TALIBAN, mother farkers.!!


Well, we'll have to start with the Reagan republicans then.
whitenoiseinsanity.com
/as hot as a radioactive sheet of glass 

But yeah, at this point it's too late. They will always want to tear down civilization now so might as well remove them from the equation.
 
2012-10-02 12:42:41 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: We should air drop millions of these things with 50 rounds each attached. They were excellent for killing Nazi occupiers and sympathizers.


That's a baby browning. While it was the weapon of choice of the French Resistance, it's a bit pricy for a mass air drop. It's also only chambered in .25 ACP.

The weapon you want is the FP-45 Liberator.



The idea of the liberator was to bushwack a natzy and take his gun. Unfortunately they never got distributed in sufficient quantity to make an impact.
 
2012-10-02 12:43:04 PM
Only the people of Afghanistan can defeat the Taliban. What we can do is provide a little material support and a big push toward that goal. There are times when I wonder which is needed more.
 
2012-10-02 12:44:25 PM
Why not Subby? We had peace with them before. Heck, we helped them seize power in the first place. We were BFFs for a long time.

Now we're all buddy-buddy with the people we helped depose in favor of the Taliban. Suddenly, international politics sounds really high school clique-ish.
 
2012-10-02 12:44:50 PM
"Please Log In".

What the fark, Fark?
 
2012-10-02 12:45:06 PM
I do not care whether Afghanistan is ruled by benevolent socialist rainbow unicorns, or Beelzebub himself. The Afghan people deserve whatever government they can tolerate, and evidently a lot of them can tolerate the Taliban. Lets respect their choice and leave the country. Once they don't have american convoys to shoot at, they'll revert to shooting each other, which is about the best you can hope for in that country.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-10-02 12:45:20 PM
What I got from Joelogon's link is we should destroy Pakistan and Afghanistan will calm down.
 
2012-10-02 12:47:10 PM
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2012-10-02 12:48:45 PM

stir22: Biness: bring them home. fark it.

yep. especially now that the taliban has infiltrated the afghani police force. imagine training some guy and he turns around and opens up.


Execute Order 66
 
2012-10-02 12:49:15 PM

GBB: There is no peace with a group that is told that you MUST die because you do not believe what they do.


Wait, are we talking about the Taliban or the Tea Party?
 
2012-10-02 12:49:45 PM
"One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests." -- John Stuart Mill
 
GBB
2012-10-02 12:49:51 PM

clyph: GBB: There is no peace with a group that is told that you MUST die because you do not believe what they do.

Wait, are we talking about the Taliban or the Tea Party?


There's a difference??
 
2012-10-02 12:50:15 PM

Reverend Monkeypants: vudukungfu: Crushinator: Wipe them out.... all of them.

Exactly.
Fark those motherfarking motherfarkers all to hell and piss on the ashes.
ANyone making a deal with them is a traitor, and a treasonous bastard, and should be hanged by the farking neck until dead, dead, dead.

FARK YOU FOR MAKING DEALS WITH THE TALIBAN, mother farkers.!!

Well, we'll have to start with the Reagan republicans then.
[whitenoiseinsanity.com image 750x499]
/as hot as a radioactive sheet of glass 

But yeah, at this point it's too late. They will always want to tear down civilization now so might as well remove them from the equation.


IN all fairness. those were the Taliban circa 1985. They were the honorable Taliban. They were fighting against the Red Hoard.

They are all probably long since dead and it's the more recent generations of Taliban that have gone rogue.
 
2012-10-02 12:50:29 PM

Biness: Perducci: Maybe once the Republicans win the next election they can approach the Taliban.

"Look, we're all extremists here. You hate gays? WE hate gays? You love shootin' guns? WE love shootin' guns! You think women need to know their place? Hey! So do we! People of a different race frighten and confuse you? Guess what.... Yup! Us too! So, c'mon, even though you believe in some funny Muhammed-y stuff and haven't discovered Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Amen Amen Amen, we can all get along, right? We want the same things, you just have some silly beliefs about a big black cube thing. We can overlook that. Hey, by the way, what do you think about Mexicans? We might have a job for you."

either mind blowingly dumb or a 0/10 troll effort


Not a trolling effort, so I guess it's just dumb. Or perhaps a little too close to home? Hillbillies with guns being led by oil barons who spout religious nonsense. Doesn't matter what country they live in.
 
2012-10-02 12:50:43 PM

Millennium: Only the people of Afghanistan can defeat the Taliban. What we can do is provide a little material support and a big push toward that goal. There are times when I wonder which is needed more.


Just send 'em Peachy and Daniel Dravot. They'll make men out of them.
 
2012-10-02 12:51:16 PM

Reverend Monkeypants:

Well, we'll have to start with the Reagan republicans then.


Didn't study much history, did ya?
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-02 12:51:53 PM
Thing is, it's a bit naive to just paint all the insurgents and Taliban as one blanket evil organization. A lot of them are fighting because they just hate all outsiders, not because they believe in the ideology in particular.
 
2012-10-02 12:51:59 PM
How about a peace deal in the 50 megaton range.
 
2012-10-02 12:52:07 PM

GBB: Wait, are we talking about the Taliban or the Tea Party?

There's a difference??


One is a group hell-bent on oppressing women, obsessed with superstition, and taking us back nearly to the Stone Age. The other wears towels on their head.
 
2012-10-02 12:53:23 PM
Those of you that think the Tea Party is equivalent to the Taliban, ought to go spend some time with the latter. You know, for perspective. Bring your wife and any daughters you might have.


/morons
 
2012-10-02 12:53:35 PM

philthpig: fark those stupid, violent sons of biatches.

carpet bomb that shiat hole into oblivion and be done with it. farking shiat.


Heh, heh. Carpetbomb.
 
2012-10-02 12:58:28 PM

Biness: geek_mars: I can't imagine anyone held any true hope of negotiating peace with the Taliban, but I'm glad it was attempted. I understand the necessities of war, but that doesn't mean peace isn't worth pursuing, even with a group like the Taliban.

[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x247]
We shall have peace in our time.

Not disagreeing with your sentiment, but there can be no discussion with the taliban. There can be no peace between freedom and despotism. The trouble is we never fought this war with an eye towards winning it.


GBB:
There is no peace with a group that is told that you MUST die because you do not believe what they do.

I agree, that's what I meant when I said no one had any real hopes of it working. The thing is, though, is that having tried, despite knowing it was pointless, shows how far we're willing to go, what we're willing to try, to gain peace through diplomacy rather than force of arms.
It's far better to try and justify military action to our allies if we didn't simply say, "Fark it, they're not worth talking with," before we started with the drone strikes. And I don't just mean the illusion of some kind of moral high ground. Negotiating, or attempting to, with the Taliban, despite knowing it's a futile attempt, demonstrates that diplomacy is part of our national culture.
 
2012-10-02 12:58:35 PM
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Uuum... Battered Taliban
 
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