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2012-10-02 11:56:24 AM  

Latinwolf: Office Ninja: Univision's Investigative Unit (Univision Investiga) has identified massacres committed using guns from the ATF operation, including the killing of 16 young people attending a party in a residential area of Ciudad Juárez in January of 2010.

The Untold Story Behind The "Fast and Furious" Scandal

So if a gun dealer sold a firearm to a thug who later used it to murder someone in New York, that gun dealer would share some of the blame in this, that is if we use the same logic you and the other conservatives are using in this matter.


I'm still wondering what significance the words "young" and "party" and "residential area" hold in this case. Without knowing details, I just read that these people were targets in Ciudad Juarez. There was probably a reason for it. Ciudad Juarez is a war zone.
In Ciudad Juarez I'd prefer to be shot with US firearms instead of having my tongue (or other body parts) cut out.
 
2012-10-02 11:56:32 AM  

HectorSchwartz: 1. Steal land
2. Get pissed when people cross your imaginary line
3. Profit


Not much of a historian, are ya?

Link
 
2012-10-02 11:56:47 AM  

Latinwolf: Office Ninja: Univision's Investigative Unit (Univision Investiga) has identified massacres committed using guns from the ATF operation, including the killing of 16 young people attending a party in a residential area of Ciudad Juárez in January of 2010.

The Untold Story Behind The "Fast and Furious" Scandal

So if a gun dealer sold a firearm to a thug who later used it to murder someone in New York, that gun dealer would share some of the blame in this, that is if we use the same logic you and the other conservatives are using in this matter.



Are you equating the illegal use of a legal item with purposely letting weapons be smuggled across a border with no actual plan in place to actually trace those weapons?
 
2012-10-02 11:56:48 AM  
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2012-10-02 11:56:58 AM  

Latinwolf: Office Ninja: Univision's Investigative Unit (Univision Investiga) has identified massacres committed using guns from the ATF operation, including the killing of 16 young people attending a party in a residential area of Ciudad Juárez in January of 2010.

The Untold Story Behind The "Fast and Furious" Scandal

So if a gun dealer sold a firearm to a thug who later used it to murder someone in New York, that gun dealer would share some of the blame in this, that is if we use the same logic you and the other conservatives are using in this matter.


I guess that would depend on whether or not the dealer followed the law in the transaction, wouldn't it.

But given that BATFE instructed dealers to release firearms to known straw purchasers, over the dealers' complaints that they believed the buyers to be straw purchasers, that isn't the case.

Nice false equivalence, though.
 
2012-10-02 11:57:25 AM  

theMightyRegeya: FilmBELOH20: EdNortonsTwin: An armed U.S. National Guard -- how does it work?

There is no U.S. National Guard. Each State has a National Guard that can be called to duty by the Government. The organization you're thinking of is called the "U.S. Army"

That's the thing that always cooked my brain a little: each state has a National Guard.


Then I hope you like it medium to well done because it seems like every city has a "First National Bank," none of which are related.
 
2012-10-02 11:57:59 AM  
news flash on fark and the best source of info is from a crappy AM radio station website?
 
2012-10-02 11:58:26 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: t clearly was a protest to the stupid plot twists and bad representations of meth dealers in breaking bad.


Well there IS some YouTube video clips out there. I say we run with that.

It was YouTube video clips of Breaking Bad that made these people angry enough to kill the cop!
 
2012-10-02 11:59:53 AM  
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2012-10-02 12:01:11 PM  

zedster: cause you know we should just airlift domestic security forces to foreign nations without going through proper channels.


Embassies are considered the territory of the represented nation.
 
2012-10-02 12:02:51 PM  

mr lawson: tenpoundsofcheese: t clearly was a protest to the stupid plot twists and bad representations of meth dealers in breaking bad.

Well there IS some YouTube video clips out there. I say we run with that.

It was YouTube video clips of Breaking Bad that made these people angry enough to kill the cop!


upload.wikimedia.org

Arrest Walter White!
 
2012-10-02 12:03:04 PM  

newton: The station was named after an agent who was killed in the line of duty in December 2010.

Yeah, that's a little weird.


Yeah.... almost as if it was.... managed.... so as to get the Fast and Furious cluster fark back into the news cycle..... Hmmmmm...... where's my tin foil hat?

Seriously, people, is "managed news" really just a paranoid delusion? Just how many individuals DO own the major media outlets? AP? The other news feeds? It is pretty much accepted that Hearst and the other news magnates routinely massaged news "back in the day." Why is that not plausible today?

Serious replies only. Please hold the Derp.
 
2012-10-02 12:04:44 PM  

Godscrack: Propain_az: I have lived in Sierra Vista (which is much closes to the border than Tucson) for 22 years and we border related issues pretty often. No I will not cite it. You goggle it

Does that activity affect you directly? no. Are you attacked regularly, your job and family threatened? no.

It's always the duty of a true 'patriot' to concentrate on the worst possible scenario of something that 'might' happen.


Whoa! Hit a nerve,did I? Relax, Internet Tough Guy, I'm voting Obama.
 
2012-10-02 12:04:50 PM  

Director_Mr: theMightyRegeya: FilmBELOH20: EdNortonsTwin: An armed U.S. National Guard -- how does it work?

There is no U.S. National Guard. Each State has a National Guard that can be called to duty by the Government. The organization you're thinking of is called the "U.S. Army"

That's the thing that always cooked my brain a little: each state has a National Guard.

Its in the constitution and stuff. In the beginning, all we had were militia.


The NAME, jagoff...
 
2012-10-02 12:05:29 PM  

Godscrack: [img690.imageshack.us image 518x530]


ytrewq.com
 
2012-10-02 12:05:51 PM  
This will get handled on the other side of the border, it's bad for business. Somebody didn't play by the rules, and now the border will get shut down for real for a while, and the cartels don't like to lose money.
 
2012-10-02 12:06:22 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: JackieRabbit: So glad that War on Drugs is still working so well

And it so good that a two-party political system presents us with competing alternative ideas so that the American people can choose whether or not to continue to support it at the ballot box next month.


LOL! Ho Ho Ho Ha Ha Ha. It's so cute when people believe marketed myths.
 
2012-10-02 12:07:54 PM  

smitty04: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x501]


That actually would have been clever if it had been in Spanish, but then again, Farkers wouldn't get the joke.
 
2012-10-02 12:09:43 PM  

This text is now purple: zedster: cause you know we should just airlift domestic security forces to foreign nations without going through proper channels.

Embassies are considered the territory of the represented nation.


not in the way movies and tv shows make them out to be. And this was a consulate. You cannot just load up an entire military unit, land at a countries airport and bus them to your embassy and be like no problem dog. If China based an entire army detachment at their US embassy without telling us about it would be like oh, its chill?
 
2012-10-02 12:10:06 PM  
brown people causing problems. What a shock.
 
2012-10-02 12:12:12 PM  

James!: fickenchucker: Laugh it up, non-Arizona residents.

We have friends and relatives in Tucson who are scared shiatless about the encroaching crime. Nogales is under siege financially because of the lost tourism resulting from the insanely-increased crime rates.

America deserves better from all the politicians and a DMZ at our southern border.


How come Arizona is a war zone but California, Texas and New Mexico aren't?


Can't we come to a compromise and build a DMZ along Arizona's north and eastern borders. It is a win-win for everyone.
 
2012-10-02 12:12:34 PM  

smitty04: zedster: James!: This is a serious question for me, what if Arizona doing wrong that those other states are doing right?

More people on the border in Texas and California and more people on both sides that rely on business along the border, so they have incentive to prevent the trafficking. Arizona is much more open, less populated, and easier to make the drug transfers. Drug cartels mean violence and attacks like these.

[Map of Cartel influence image 464x390]


What? Nobody wants Baja CA? This map is totally inaccurate! I know there have been beheadings in Southern Baja CA.
 
2012-10-02 12:12:34 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: My Father knows a rancher up in Oregon who had a Mexican foreman running things for him. We'll call him Juan. Juan did well for himself and the immigrantes that worked for him. Juan eventually bought a ranch of his own in Mex and paid the people that worked and lived on it a descent living wage - things were good for everyone -- for awhile. Not a long time later Juan was confronted by other ranchers in the region who told him they would kill him if he din't start paying his workers the same meager wages that they were paying their hacienda workers.


Well, things are only gonna get worse with the new bill, and it's a general one. I don't even wanna know what they'll do if they make an agrarian reform.
 
2012-10-02 12:12:55 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: fickenchucker: Laugh it up, non-Arizona residents.

We have friends and relatives in Tucson who are scared shiatless about the encroaching crime. Nogales is under siege financially because of the lost tourism resulting from the insanely-increased crime rates.

America deserves better from all the politicians and a DMZ at our southern border.

Keep voting in Sheriff Joe. You brought this upon yourselves.


That's some serious weapons-grade DERP right there. Just how, exactly, is Sheriff Joe in charge of the deployment, arming and procedures of federal agents? Is his presence in the state somehow some sort of magnet that attracts Mexicans With Guns? Is your brain so damaged by recreational drugs that you automatically focus on ZOMFG SHERIFF JOE when any farking subject involving Arizona is considered?

Curious minds want to know!
 
2012-10-02 12:12:59 PM  

EatenTheSun: This will get handled on the other side of the border, it's bad for business. Somebody didn't play by the rules, and now the border will get shut down for real for a while, and the cartels don't like to lose money.



For them....these are just bumps in the road
 
2012-10-02 12:13:32 PM  

Dinki: ChipNASA: FSCK MEXICO, Central America, South America, the Caribbean, Terrorists etc. -
We need this. And it's not just Mexicans, it's ANYBODY that's trying to cross our southern border. (I know this isn't perfect either but it's better than what we have NOW!

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Yeah! Lets turn the US into a prison! You do know that fences work both ways, right?

/Who needs that whole "Land of the free, home of the brave" crap anyway.


Who the fark in the states is trying to run to Mexico?
 
2012-10-02 12:14:11 PM  

smitty04: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x501]


Seems legit.
 
2012-10-02 12:14:19 PM  

CreampuffCasperMilktoast: And here I thought nobody was coming to America's Borders anymore.....

[images.sodahead.com image 280x274]

....thought they were heading south to Amazon.


Come on, Seattle is north!
 
2012-10-02 12:15:26 PM  

James!: fickenchucker: Laugh it up, non-Arizona residents.

We have friends and relatives in Tucson who are scared shiatless about the encroaching crime. Nogales is under siege financially because of the lost tourism resulting from the insanely-increased crime rates.

America deserves better from all the politicians and a DMZ at our southern border.


How come Arizona is a war zone but California, Texas and New Mexico aren't?


Because they have already been conquered by the Mexicans. (Try, just try, finding an English-language sign in downtown Santa Ana. Go on.)
 
2012-10-02 12:17:15 PM  

Pockafrusta: [doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com image 450x329]


THAT is a really excellent photoshop.

+10
 
2012-10-02 12:17:51 PM  

PallMall: Godscrack: [img690.imageshack.us image 518x530]

[Go Be religious somewhere else 400x249]


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2012-10-02 12:18:38 PM  

Vertdang: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: fickenchucker: Laugh it up, non-Arizona residents.

We have friends and relatives in Tucson who are scared shiatless about the encroaching crime. Nogales is under siege financially because of the lost tourism resulting from the insanely-increased crime rates.

America deserves better from all the politicians and a DMZ at our southern border.

Keep voting in Sheriff Joe. You brought this upon yourselves.

different counties.


And, again, just how would a LOCAL sheriff have impact on a FEDERAL agent?
 
2012-10-02 12:18:44 PM  

canyoneer: By 1918 the Yaqui people had been at war with Mexico for several years, the former hoping to establish an independent state in Sonora, centered around the Rio Yaqui and its confluence with the Gulf of California. Many Yaquis were driven north by the war and some crossed the Arizona border to work in Tucson's citrus groves. After receiving pay, the Yaquis would spend their money on weapons and ammunition and then return to Mexico to continue fighting. The fact that Yaquis were buying arms in Arizona and smuggling them across the border became so well known that the military governor of Sonora, General Plutarco Elías Calles, informally requested help from the United States government in dealing with the problem. Furthermore, Arizona ranchers began reporting in larger numbers their encounters with armed Yaquis on their ranch land or the finding of butchered livestock on the range. Since the United States Border Patrol did not yet exist, the task of protecting the border was that of the army, which operated out of Fort Huachuca. The Nogales, Arizona subdistrict commander, Colonel J.C. Friers, 35th Infantry, responded to the reports by issuing orders to increase patrolling in the area. American forces in the area included the 35th Infantry Regiment, stationed at Camp Stephen D. Little in Nogales, and the 10th Cavalry Buffalo Soldiers, who were spread out to protect the various towns near the international border. A squadron size force from the 10th Cavalry was encamped about a half mile from the 35th Infantry at Nogales and a second squadron split up to occupy Lochiel and Campini. Smaller posts were also established at Arivaca and Oro Blanco and, finally, a troop of about thirty men maintained a camp at Atascosa Canyon, a "strategic natural crossing" within Bear Valley.[1][3]

According to Colonel Harold B. Wharfield, who interviewed some of the participants in the Bear Valley fight and published his story in the book Tenth Cavalry and Border Fights, wrote that the camp ...


So you're saying it's the Yaqui tribe, because they still consider themselves independent from Mexico
 
2012-10-02 12:21:19 PM  

Fixxor: Over 200 comments and no breaking bad pictures of any kind? Not even a pic of hank? For shame fark.

/for shaaaaaaaaaame!


this is about AZ not New Mexico
www.amctv.com
 
2012-10-02 12:23:10 PM  

limeyfellow: James!: fickenchucker: Laugh it up, non-Arizona residents.

We have friends and relatives in Tucson who are scared shiatless about the encroaching crime. Nogales is under siege financially because of the lost tourism resulting from the insanely-increased crime rates.

America deserves better from all the politicians and a DMZ at our southern border.


How come Arizona is a war zone but California, Texas and New Mexico aren't?

Can't we come to a compromise and build a DMZ along Arizona's north and eastern borders. It is a win-win for everyone.


SAN JOSE (KCBS) - Three San Jose residents charged in connection with one of the largest methamphetamine seizures in U.S. history have ties to a Mexican drug trafficking organization, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.
Last week, the DEA confiscated more than 750 pounds of meth in a San Jose raid with a street value of over $34 million.
 
2012-10-02 12:23:52 PM  

H31N0US: Wow this is the kind of stuff the gangsters used to do when alcohol was illegal.

How did that ever work out?

fark the GOP for what they are going to do with this.


Yeah, it is truly amazing how the GOP has repeatedly blocked Obama's many attempts over the last four years at legalizing drugs.
 
2012-10-02 12:26:13 PM  

swahnhennessy: What this shining beacon really needs is a big-ass fence. And mines. And Minutemen running around the dessert playing soldier trying to convince each other they ain't racists.


1) Mexicans are not a race; they are a nationality
2) Being opposed to illegal immigration =| hating people.
3) Continual use of recreational drugs leads to being able to not see distinctions like 1 and 2.
 
2012-10-02 12:27:37 PM  

Mentat: Do you guys get erections when people die?


I am beginning to think that there is a small group of libs here that, yes, have continual erections.
 
2012-10-02 12:27:38 PM  

davidab: What? Nobody wants Baja CA? This map is totally inaccurate! I know there have been beheadings in Southern Baja CA.

 

www.examiner.com
 
2012-10-02 12:28:58 PM  

mr lawson: First a Border cop gets killed
Then our Ambassador
And then another Border cop killed.

Obama '12!


Better than the track record of 3000 civilians dead on 9/11 (without catching Osama and actually playing into his hands), and the pointless deaths of all our soldiers in Iraq plus state (and private mercenary) terrorism against Iraqi civilians.
But keep supporting the party that's weak on defense, unless you're some kind of "rugged independent".
 
2012-10-02 12:29:31 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: H31N0US: Wow this is the kind of stuff the gangsters used to do when alcohol was illegal.

How did that ever work out?

fark the GOP for what they are going to do with this.

Yeah, it is truly amazing how the GOP has repeatedly blocked Obama's many attempts over the last four years at legalizing drugs.


*snert*
 
2012-10-02 12:31:13 PM  

James!: Tucson has a pretty liberal sheriff if I recall corectly.


" The attention put on Sheriff Arpaio in Phoenix allows for Tucson Police Chief VillaSenor and Sheriff Dupnik to appear 'progressive' as they make empty statements against SB1070 or sign documents that speak against Secure Communities use of traffic violations to run people for immigration status. For those whose communities are being destroyed by deportation, this means nothing. For the homeless that are being harassed daily, this means nothing. For those who fight to study their roots and defend Ethnic Studies, only to be brutally beaten by the police in the streets, this means nothing. To those behind bars on 29th street, this means nothing. To Jose Guerena who was killed by the Tucson police in his home, this means nothing. BUT, to many who are too dense, or too protected to feel such realities, this means Tucson is still a happy, liberal town that is, at least, 'better than Phoenix.' Yet in Tucson, informal racist policies such as 'police discretion' allow for Border Patrol to act freely, responding to any call from officers, regardless of 287g, SCOMM, or SB1070 laws of policies, but simply because we are within 100 miles of the border. This is grim situation, unique to border regions, that law officials love to conceal, while all the while winning over the white pawns. Another Tucson trick was Prop 100 last year, which had almost unanimous support due to a focus on 'saving schools', when in all actuality much of the money was shoveled into the police department."
 
2012-10-02 12:32:14 PM  

ComicBookGuy: bucket_pup: And how soon will the Democratic Nutjobs© blame this on God, guns, the bible, or find a slight tie-in to the Tea Party?


// 30 seconds or less is my guess.

How quickly do you think you get on my ignore list after I post this response, white trash?


3.bp.blogspot.com

www.cartoonstock.com
 
2012-10-02 12:32:18 PM  

m2313: But keep supporting the party that's weak on defense, unless you're some kind of "rugged independent".


I am a libertarian...both parties hate me.
 
2012-10-02 12:33:40 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Mentat: Do you guys get erections when people die?

I am beginning to think that there is a small group of libs here that, yes, have continual erections.


And a large group of conservatives that grow raging boners when they think about guns and death.
 
2012-10-02 12:34:58 PM  

madgonad: Why are Conservatives so upset about Fast & Furious?

They have repeatedly told me that guns don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people. So the source of the firearm is irrelevant since the person holding it is responsible. If you are now so concerned about the guns causing problems, then it is the Conservatives that hate the 2nd amendment now.


Context? How does it werk?
 
2012-10-02 12:35:37 PM  
Remember the days before Obama started personally handing firearms to drug runners? Back when they drug cartels were limited to knives they could only use while also doing a song-and-dance number from West Side Story?

Good times.
 
2012-10-02 12:40:49 PM  

CygnusDarius: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Mentat: Do you guys get erections when people die?

I am beginning to think that there is a small group of libs here that, yes, have continual erections.

And a large group of conservatives that grow raging boners when they think about guns and death.



Liberal
blogs.edweek.org 

Moderates
images.sodahead.com
 
2012-10-02 12:43:54 PM  

MattyFridays: Not to mention the fact that you're an idiot for talking about a Sheriff that is HOURS away from Bisbee and Tucson, but how exactly is a Sheriff that is TOUGH on crime and immigration "bringing it upon himself"?


You're almost like a cartel member.
"My abusive gang member is tough on those other guys even if he has to hurt alot of innocent people in the way, how could this possibly lead to our rival gangs being mad enough to fark with us"
 
2012-10-02 12:46:32 PM  

Lost Thought 00: CygnusDarius: Lost Thought 00: This wouldn't be a problem if we threw out all the Mexicans and adopted a shoot-to-kill policy for anyone who approaches our borders

Even Americans of Mexican heritage?.

If they are brown, flush them down. We can't take any chances of their disease spreading through this country


Uh...... duh...... oh hell, I'm not even sure where to start in addressing this much Derp. I realize it is sarcasm and that you are a brain-damaged lib, but really: you ARE aware, are you not, that many illegal immigrant Hispanics are actually Caucasian in appearance? Try looking up the actual demographics of Mexico.
 
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