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(WTOP)   Blizzards are about to get names, just like hurricanes. Brutus -- good choice for "B". But Freyr for the "F" name? What about Fark?   (wtop.com) divider line 99
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2012-10-02 02:45:01 PM  
In Germany, you can sponsor a name for a storm front- think of the possibilities
 
2012-10-02 02:49:54 PM  
What no Brass Monkey or Witch's T*T?
 
2012-10-02 02:51:16 PM  
They should come up with names that are entirely sensationalistic in a trolling effort:

Frostageddon
Maw of Winter

etc., etc.
 
2012-10-02 02:56:05 PM  
Interesting, but will they recycle the list every year, start with the next name (i.e. they use Freyr in March then they go to Gandolf in December) or will they come up with a new list?
 
2012-10-02 02:58:29 PM  
Just look at a long time-cale satellite loop of circulations in the atmosphere - northern hemisphere - and you'll see that these circulations are essentially perpetual. They move around the globe ceaselessly, forming storms and dissipating and reforming and wandering north or south or slower or faster depending on the circumstances. So really, the northern hemisphere experiences the same storms moving along the jet streams over and over and over in and endless stream on an infinite loop.

So, really they should just assign a number to each of these circulations and follow them permanently on that basis. So, rather than a name, the weatherman could say, "Old Number 11 is going to hit Cleveland later this week at stronger than usual intensity, so look out for Old Number 11 this go around!" 

As it is, they give the impression that a "new storm" is moving into the Northwest (for example) when it's not really a "new storm," but rather one that's passed by millions of times and probably last exited the East Coast a week or ten days ago (or whatever the periodicity is) and now it's coming onshore in North America yet again for the brazillionth time.
 
2012-10-02 03:02:07 PM  
Brutus

Et tu, blizzard?
 
2012-10-02 03:04:36 PM  

BitwiseShift: Freyr isn't the name embedded in Friday or Freyrs Dag?


No, that's Frigg. Though it might be Freyja, they might be the same goddess, but it's not Freyr.
 
2012-10-02 03:10:01 PM  
Freya?

images.wikia.com
 
2012-10-02 03:17:07 PM  
Here in the UP we already have names for blizzards, some of which you may be familiar with, they are called: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
 
2012-10-02 03:19:14 PM  
Blizzard UFIA is on the way so batten down the hatches!
 
2012-10-02 03:47:46 PM  
F is for Flozell.
 
2012-10-02 03:48:33 PM  

WizardofToast: Blizzard Kerrigan

 


www.in-color.net
 
2012-10-02 03:48:40 PM  

unyon: Here in Canada, we've had a name for winter storms for years.

They're called WINTER. Now quit being such goddamned pussies about a little precipitation and GBTW.


I propose we collect this cold weather ninnies up in a large van, along with all the idiots who complain about heat in historically arid locales on the globe. Then we have them beat each other with rubber hoses, and air the whole thing on PPV.

This is how we solve global warming. Follow me on Twitter for the Kickstarter proposal in the coming weeks. Subscribe to my newsletter. Enjoy the veal.
 
2012-10-02 03:53:25 PM  
as this is WTOP im surprised EVERYBODY PANIC YOU'RE F*CKED is not on the list.
/fear mongering on the 8's...
 
2012-10-02 04:02:39 PM  

bittermang: I propose we collect this cold weather ninnies up in a large van, along with all the idiots who complain about heat in historically arid locales on the globe. Then we have them beat each other with rubber hoses, and air the whole thing on PPV.

This is how we solve global warming. Follow me on Twitter for the Kickstarter proposal in the coming weeks. Subscribe to my newsletter. Enjoy the veal.


Your jib, I'm enjoying the cut of it. And the ninnies? They are the veal. mmmm....
 
2012-10-02 04:06:44 PM  

New Age Redneck: Rev.K

How about "F*ck it's cold". 

Dude, you're in Calgary; 10 minutes from now you'll be saying, "F*ck, it's warm."


True dat. Where seeing all 4 seasons in the same day isn't some sort of anomoly. If your vehicle goes from maximum heat to maximum AC to maximum heat in the same day, you might be an Albertan. Personally, I'm a fan of heated seats on with the windows down.
 
2012-10-02 04:23:40 PM  
www.officialpsds.com

/approves
 
2012-10-02 04:53:06 PM  
Blizzard Bumble:

thenewyokel.typepad.com

/Fark the weatherman, call a dentist!
 
2012-10-02 04:54:13 PM  
Look at that list, Sheila Jackson Lee is not going to be happy....
 
2012-10-02 04:57:16 PM  
Bluto is not amused by your shenigans, but apparently Swee'Pea thinks it's hilarious.
 
2012-10-02 04:58:05 PM  
What about Froderick?

cinemafanatic.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-02 05:01:42 PM  

reillan: Blizzard's had names for a long time. It's mostly stuff like Glitterstorm, Layonhooves, and Idtrapthat


Funny you should mention that, my wife played a shadow priest named "Glitterous"
 
2012-10-02 05:47:52 PM  
I like "Oreo" and "Reese's Peanut Butter Cup" Blizzards
 
2012-10-02 06:16:45 PM  
Blizzard Fark? The shiatstorm of the century!

In the voice of Arny Pie, the helicopter news guys from the Simpsons, "We have Politics tab settling over East Haverbrook. You guys better put on your kickers and grab your shovels cause its gonna be deep."
 
2012-10-02 06:48:01 PM  
Blizzards already have names.

www.savingwithshellie.com
 
2012-10-02 06:50:10 PM  

Qellaqan: No mention yet of the strange definitions (besides Q)? Gandalf from an 1896 novel? Yogi, a person that does Yoga? Rocky, a single mountain in the Rockies?


Watch the spelling. Gandolf was the name from the 1896 novel. Gandalf is Tolkien's spelling. They both refer to the same name in Nordic.
 
2012-10-02 06:51:17 PM  

Oafmeel: as this is WTOP im surprised EVERYBODY PANIC YOU'RE F*CKED is not on the list.
/fear mongering on the 8's...


You forget so soon, this weather panic brought to you by Giant food.
/bread milk and tp!!!
//Washingtonians (DC) are uber winter wussies.
 
2012-10-02 07:36:53 PM  
The article didn't even explain what criteria a storm would need to have to be called a blizzard. Hurricanes and tropical storms have defined metrics to be labeled as such.
 
2012-10-02 07:37:30 PM  

cgraves67: 2)Do they really think that a certain percentage of the population won't have a problem with naming weather phenomenae after pagan gods? Sure, we have months and days named after them, but those are so ingrained in our culture that most fundies don't even realize they are paganized.


Well, since winter storms are usually bad things, I can't see people being too put out of shape by having bad things associated with pagan names.
 
2012-10-02 07:40:18 PM  
i471.photobucket.com

Blizzard Ditka
 
2012-10-02 08:08:05 PM  
Class 3 Killstorm!

i59.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-02 08:17:53 PM  

Slaxl: BitwiseShift: Freyr isn't the name embedded in Friday or Freyrs Dag?

No, that's Frigg. Though it might be Freyja, they might be the same goddess, but it's not Freyr.


Frigg is Odin's wife, goddess of the household, married women and childbirth. She is one of the Aesir variety of deity. Freyja is the goddess of love, war, beauty, human sexuality, fertility, war and death. She gets half of the fallen heroes (Einherjar) sent to her hall, Odin gets the other half sent to his (Valhalla). She is a Vanir type deity. Because of the overlap in attributes - something very common with the deities of the original Germanic tribes - she and Frigg are often confused with one another. Some have even said they are the same entity, but because they are of different tribes, I'm inclined to say they are not.
 
2012-10-02 09:20:37 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Freyr's a great name for a blizzard.

I'd love to be in a blizzard, just once... from NC... we're lucky if we get a sheet of ice once a year


No, you really wouldn't. Maybe if it happened wheen you were travelling north for something.

Blizzards are bad enough when they hit areas accustomed to blizzards. Drop one on an area where there isn't even a single plow to share between neighboring towns( real plows not a yellow shovel bolted to a pickup) and all hell breaks loose.
 
2012-10-02 10:00:32 PM  
Yeah, we have names for blizzards here--and almost all of them share the same name, with the year added: "OH SHIAT IT'S ONE OF THOSE STORMS WE GET ABOUT EVERY FIFTEEN YEARS WHERE WE GET TWO FEET OF SNOW AND THE WHOLE GODDAMN STATE SHUTS DOWN FOR A MONTH AFTERWARDS BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS HOW TO DEAL WITH MILLIONS OF TINY WHITE INVADERS FROM THE NORTH".

(Yes, pretty much actual severe winter storms only hit about once every fifteen years in that part of the Ohio Valley south of Pennsylvania, and the last actual NWS-designated blizzard was all the way the hell back in 1978.)

And I rather hope this doesn't catch on outside of The We'll-Farking-Show-Everything-But-The-Goddamn-Weather Channel, otherwise I can note that we get BOTH kinds of named storms here. (The spinny tropical and subtropical ones more than the OH GOD MILLIONS OF TINY WHITE INVADERS FROM THE NORTH kind...and even though Kentucky is not Georgia and actually does get significant measurable snow every year people go into well-nigh paralytic shock upon seeing mere dustings of snow and spontaneously forget how to drive or even WALK. I will also note that until the past three or four years, it would take a good four or five inches to actually close schools...until ice storms started happening AND a few accidents when bus drivers spontaneously forgot how to drive in snow, so now pretty much kids get snow days fairly often.)
 
2012-10-02 10:55:13 PM  
in today's latest real life patch, weather channel will now refer snow blizzards to greek references, hurricanes to be still randomly named after people or places. The spawn counter for the Zeus is set to be low, but has a high chance to proc an iceage phase.
 
2012-10-02 10:57:25 PM  

GooberMcFly: Prime Minister Harper doesn't care about Inuit people.


+1 for you sir
 
2012-10-02 11:03:57 PM  

Lehk: CapeFearCadaver: Freyr's a great name for a blizzard.

I'd love to be in a blizzard, just once... from NC... we're lucky if we get a sheet of ice once a year

No, you really wouldn't. Maybe if it happened wheen you were travelling north for something.

Blizzards are bad enough when they hit areas accustomed to blizzards. Drop one on an area where there isn't even a single plow to share between neighboring towns( real plows not a yellow shovel bolted to a pickup) and all hell breaks loose.


Maybe he's a school teacher and know's he'd be off for a month if his area got hit by a blizzard.
 
2012-10-02 11:06:14 PM  
I suppose next they will start naming thunderstorms individually. Then the wind. Oh, wait, they call the wind Mariah....
 
2012-10-02 11:23:05 PM  

dletter: Lehk: CapeFearCadaver: Freyr's a great name for a blizzard.

I'd love to be in a blizzard, just once... from NC... we're lucky if we get a sheet of ice once a year

No, you really wouldn't. Maybe if it happened wheen you were travelling north for something.

Blizzards are bad enough when they hit areas accustomed to blizzards. Drop one on an area where there isn't even a single plow to share between neighboring towns( real plows not a yellow shovel bolted to a pickup) and all hell breaks loose.

Maybe he's a school teacher and know's he'd be off for a month if his area got hit by a blizzard.


Which is ok as long as you have a month or more worth of food
 
2012-10-03 12:51:18 PM  
Snowed last night here....bring it on....

*exits thread to go put on the winter tires*
 
2012-10-03 01:14:03 PM  

New Age Redneck: Snowed last night here....bring it on....

*exits thread to go put on the winter tires*


So I just bought a house with a garage, I'm way too happy about being able to change my tires from summer to winter without having to drag them out to a parking lot.
 
2012-10-03 02:46:23 PM  

Lehk: dletter: Lehk: CapeFearCadaver: Freyr's a great name for a blizzard.

I'd love to be in a blizzard, just once... from NC... we're lucky if we get a sheet of ice once a year

No, you really wouldn't. Maybe if it happened wheen you were travelling north for something.

Blizzards are bad enough when they hit areas accustomed to blizzards. Drop one on an area where there isn't even a single plow to share between neighboring towns( real plows not a yellow shovel bolted to a pickup) and all hell breaks loose.

Maybe he's a school teacher and know's he'd be off for a month if his area got hit by a blizzard.

Which is ok as long as you have a month or more worth of food


Which is pretty much something that a lot of folks in those same areas do anyways, because when the summer storms come the electric company takes its sweet farking time to get stuff back online and it's not entirely unknown to be out of power for upwards of two weeks at a time--generators becomes less "luxuries" and more "necessities" at that point, as well as ready-to-eat and easily-preparable canned foods. (Needless to say, I am thankful this has not occurred so far this year, and pray I've not just jinxed the entire state of Kentucky into a blizzard or--worse yet--an ice storm.)

It also helps to at least have a convenience store or (better yet) a drugstore nearby--no, they're not necessarily going to have cheap food, but they will have some canned and ready-to-eat nonperishable stuff (at least the ones around here do) and tend to be located on the major thoroughfares that the city will prioritise for street clearing.

If you're in the country...well, I hope you laid up a victory garden in the summer and did a lot of canning and keep that two-week "storm outage" food reserve (72 hours? HAH! Seriously, around here you need to prepare like holing up in a bomb shelter after a nuclear war, and I half wonder whether the Mormons don't have the right idea by stocking up for a year). You'll need it. Doubly so if you have children, though you might get the roads cleared faster by gently encouraging them to make entire dioramas of snowmen to get rid of the excess energy. :D
 
2012-10-03 04:17:16 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: Seriously, around here you need to prepare like holing up in a bomb shelter after a nuclear war, and I half wonder whether the Mormons don't have the right idea by stocking up for a year).


Jeez where do you live, Antarctica?
 
2012-10-03 05:19:53 PM  

WeenerGord: Great Porn Dragon: Seriously, around here you need to prepare like holing up in a bomb shelter after a nuclear war, and I half wonder whether the Mormons don't have the right idea by stocking up for a year).

Jeez where do you live, Antarctica?


No--at least Antarctica knows how to prepare for severe winter weather. :D

No, I live in Kentucky, where (despite the fact that we live in a Force IV wind zone where we REGULARLY AND MULTIPLE TIMES A YEAR get hurricane-force winds, get at least three tornadic storms each spring and at least once or twice in the fall and winter (yes, November and February are actually part of our tornado season--if it's not snowing, it's storming), do get at least one tropical storm that actually makes it our way at tropical-storm strength a year, AND get at least a few storms of more than about four inches of snow and occasional severe ice-storms) the local utility companies cannot be arsed to convert above-ground power lines to underground service (where the wind and/or ice will not get to them) with the claim it is "too expensive" (no matter that they're often replacing the very farking lines in question YEARLY because of storms) and take their sweet farking time to getting around to actually REPAIRING them--and this is in actual cities like Louisville and Lexington served by LG&E and KU (which are actually the same company).

It's actually worse in most of the rest of the state, which is primarily served (outside of TVA territory which really only covers Land Between The Lakes) by rural electric co-ops--yes, kids, pretty much the only way that most of the state even has electricity is via OMFG SOCIALIST COMMUNES where technically everyone served by it is supposed to be a shareholder in the co-op), may be lucky to have ten trucks to cover the three-county area they cover, and generally have to call on mutual aid any time there's a big storm knocking down a mess of lines).

Said electric companies are so understaffed in this part of the country that it is not uncommon for calls to be made to Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Georgia when we get weather that knocks down lines (because usually it's a big farking part of the whole goddamn state out) which ALSO can't be all that farking cheap.

But no, they don't move stuff underground, so pretty much anytime there's Significant Weather here we pretty much have to plan to fire up the generator by day 2 (fairly common) so we don't have to toss the whole goddamn fridge (which I actually had to do TWICE in FOUR MONTHS one year because of outages that lasted upwards of two weeks--Hurricane Ike followed up by the Ice Storm From Hell). It was after losing the fridge the second time that I broke down and got a generator, and even the little 1500-watter has paid for itself many, many, many times over afterwards.

Between the costs for replacing the same goddamn lines yearly (and sometimes multiple times a year, at that--yes, we've had lines go out and go down three and four times in the SAME year due to storm damage) AND having to call out mutual aid each and every farking time we get a derecho or heavy thunderstorm or ice-storm or even severe snowstorm here (which is to say, at least yearly, if not two or three times a year--see comments above re severe understaffing of power utilities in this part of the US) one would think underground lines would pay for themselves, but no. :P

Also, even though we get snow on a regular basis, snow removal pretty much does not exist outside of (say) larger cities, and even then pretty much does not exist outside of major thoroughfares; if you don't live in Louisville, Lexington, Covington, Owensboro or Paducah you pretty much don't get snow removal outside of interstates. At least Louisville has FINALLY started taking the step of pre-salting roads when the weather bureau calls for a snow-storm or ice-storm. (It doesn't help that people spontaneously forget how to drive if they see ONE flake of snow. This is one of the few areas where Goddamn Indiana actually excels at.)

/now if I could get the damn "hail inspection of your roof" telemarketers out of Guadalajara to stop calling, all would be right with the world
//need to write down "No, my roof is not farked, take this number off your calling list, you skeevy-arse motherfarkers because I know exactly where your office is and my attorney-general will shortly be in friendly contact with the Federales" in Spanish to add this to the usual telemarketing script
///yes, my attorney-general can do that in cases of international telemarketing violations--defining violations of telemarketing laws as a felony gives the A/G Powers Of Awesome in regards to extradition :D
 
2012-10-03 05:26:50 PM  

WeenerGord: Great Porn Dragon: Seriously, around here you need to prepare like holing up in a bomb shelter after a nuclear war, and I half wonder whether the Mormons don't have the right idea by stocking up for a year).

Jeez where do you live, Antarctica?


Also, as an addendum--the reason you need to stock up like a Mormon in rural parts of Kentucky (when it comes to winter weather or severe weather) is because we have had ice storms and snow storms and severe weather where people have literally been out of power for months--there were parts of the state with the Ice Storm From Hell that were out of power for almost two months because of both a shortage of electric crews to get to those areas and because those areas were literally inaccessible--we're talking "National Guard being rolled out and mandatory curfews so that the Army National Guard can get snow-removal equipment and big saws and heavy lifters to get the farking trees blocking the major highways" levels of "disaster" here. (Have I mentioned we get some seriously shiatty weather here? :D)

It's not uncommon for rural parts of the state to be out almost as long when we get derechos or big tornadic events, again because pretty much most of the roads end up blocked and they have to call in mutual aid from other states (because they're run by itty-bitty electric co-ops) or--in some cases--the National Guard (to move farking trees out of the road that have probably been around since Abe Lincoln and Jefferson Davis were tussling over who would end up being President and what country Kentucky would be part of).
 
2012-10-03 05:39:35 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: No, I live in Kentucky,


Damn. That's pretty bad. Are they nuclear power plants? cos you don't want those to be run by the same level of incompetence.

Could you also sic your Atty Gen on those farkers who keep calling, claimed to be "Rachel from Credit Card Services?" cos that is a scam and a trap too, I don't know how they get away with it.

Yeah definitely have a garden and learn to can, and have a back up generator and a woodstove! And a well with a hand pump!

And a horse!
 
2012-10-03 06:06:59 PM  

WeenerGord: Great Porn Dragon: No, I live in Kentucky,

Damn. That's pretty bad. Are they nuclear power plants? cos you don't want those to be run by the same level of incompetence.

Could you also sic your Atty Gen on those farkers who keep calling, claimed to be "Rachel from Credit Card Services?" cos that is a scam and a trap too, I don't know how they get away with it.

Yeah definitely have a garden and learn to can, and have a back up generator and a woodstove! And a well with a hand pump!

And a horse!


Re nuclear power--probably the one good thing about the coal lobby here in the state is that no, we don't have nuclear power at all--in fact, the only nuclear facility in the state is the Paducah uranium refinement facility, and that's for nuclear weapons, not nuclear plants. :D

Pretty much we have mostly coal, some hydroelectric (especially in LBL and starting to see some hydro in Louisville)--no nukes, no wind farms, no solar. (And people wonder why the asthma rate here is abysmal--well, that and the histoplasmosis that still lives in the soil from where the state was a major breeding area for passenger pigeons before they went extinct.) So fortunately no worries about nuke plants going boom.

(Nope, the big worry is the asthma and the occasional coal slurry pond busting and flooding out/poisoning Appalachian communities, but the latter is more the fault of coal mining companies than the electric companies proper.)

As for "Rachel"--yes, A/G has been sicced on them, one of the difficulties is that apparently the actual call farm (which seems to be operated by a consistent Bad Actor in Portland, Oregon by the name of Telephone Management Corporation) tends to use multiple overseas VoIP "phish farm" call centers in countries without strong extradition agreements with the US that are set up as front companies--they've found at least one in Belize, as well as telemarketing farms in the Phillipines and Singapore in prior operations. (Reportedly they're building a case with the FTC on this, because the same firm is ALREADY in violation of at least three prior court agreements prohibiting their various shells from illegal telemarketing, and hopefully the whole damn phish farm will eventually get the federal smiting it so desperately deserves.) The main thing the A/G and the FTC are doing at this point re "Rachel's Phish Farm" are getting solid evidence connecting the phish farms to the Oregon operation, which actually takes a surprisingly long time if you're building a federal case involving international extradition. :P

(Why yes, I DO talk with my A/G's office on this, especially if I find a pattern involving a particular group of telemarketers. Helped them shut down one phishing operation (likely run out of the same phish-farm that houses "Rachel's Phish Farm"--same bad actors in Portland) targeting elderly folks claiming to offer stuff like free home security systems, free diabetes supplies, etc. just by collecting reams of evidence so as to give them enough of a case. I've often joked ha-ha-only-serious that I should go into business as a PI hunting down telemarketers or seeing if the state would hire me on as a contractor :D)
 
2012-10-03 07:13:50 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: As for "Rachel"--yes, A/G has been sicced on them


Glad to hear it! hope they lock them all up and throw away the key. Just heard on NPR how the Feds have busted a ring of scammers who impersonated computer companies and called people, telling them they had computer viruses and tricking them out of hundreds of dollars.

At least Kentucky has got to be a good state for gardens. Have you ever seen a pawpaw or fox grape, do they grow there? If you have one of those juice steamers you can make your own wine pretty easily too.
 
2012-10-03 07:33:58 PM  

WeenerGord: Great Porn Dragon: As for "Rachel"--yes, A/G has been sicced on them

Glad to hear it! hope they lock them all up and throw away the key. Just heard on NPR how the Feds have busted a ring of scammers who impersonated computer companies and called people, telling them they had computer viruses and tricking them out of hundreds of dollars.

At least Kentucky has got to be a good state for gardens. Have you ever seen a pawpaw or fox grape, do they grow there? If you have one of those juice steamers you can make your own wine pretty easily too.


Not only have I seen pawpaws and fox grapes, but had them (grandparents used to have a fox grape vine in their backyard, and folks would bring in pawpaws in high school). Fox grapes work pretty well for wine, I'd think pawpaw wine would be about like banana beer (yes, I know folks do make wine out of the things, I just imagine it'd be like banana beer) though it'd probably work as a substitute for bananas in cocktails :D

(A properly ripe pawpaw is about the consistency of custard or an overripe banana, and actually tastes banana-esque but sweeter...pawpaws are more related to cherimoyas than bananas, though. The one bad thing re pawpaw trees is that they do draw flies due to how they're pollinated (pretty much the two things that pollinate them are flies and zebra swallowtail butterflies) and unless you freeze the pulp they're kind of difficult to "keep" for more than a few days--but you can get 'em in farmer's markets around here in the fall (along with persimmons) if you don't want to draw houseflies. :D Probably the closest equivalent in tropical regions (or areas with a lot of Hispanic groceries) are cherimoyas, but these don't even taste quite the same.)

And of course always glad to hear of scamware and badware merchants getting busted :D (The phish farms via telephone are a new twist on it, but it's been a longstanding problem--Sanford Wallace actually dabbled in this before ending up Spamming The Wrong Social Network and finally resulting in his sociopathic butt going to prison. :D)

Back to the subject of weather...It's been a weird year, didn't get much of a garden in late summer because of the heat and drought, but OMFG the peppers and tomatoes have had a second wind from spring (and I'm really hoping that we don't get a hard freeze later in the week to kill off the tomatoes--if the things can make it another week or three I should be overwhelmed in little cherry tomatoes and hopefully some Pink Brandywines as well :D). At least the serrano peppers I can bag-ripen if necessary...
 
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