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2012-10-02 10:25:08 AM  
The dead kid in the back yard didn't tip them off?

/dammit, Todd!
 
2012-10-02 10:26:11 AM  
good thing METH isn't LEGAL. or else people would use OSOOOO much of it they'd all go crazy and not ever sleep again.
 
2012-10-02 10:28:01 AM  
l.yimg.com

So... buying a house that used to be a meth lab isn't ironic enough for you?

Farking hipsters.

/What that photo taken with a film camera?
 
2012-10-02 10:28:56 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: [l.yimg.com image 630x413]

So... buying a house that used to be a meth lab isn't ironic enough for you?

Farking hipsters.

/What that photo taken with a film camera?


it was taken with an ironic camera from 1973
 
2012-10-02 10:29:40 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: [l.yimg.com image 630x413]

So... buying a house that used to be a meth lab isn't ironic enough for you?

Farking hipsters.

/What that photo taken with a film camera?


A little too ironic.
 
2012-10-02 10:32:03 AM  
I'd challenge anyone to find a home in Klamath Falls that wasn't a meth lab at some point.
 
2012-10-02 10:36:18 AM  
cn1.kaboodle.com
 
2012-10-02 10:39:21 AM  
Better call Saul!
 
2012-10-02 10:39:44 AM  

Chabash: I'd challenge anyone to find a home in Klamath Falls that wasn't a meth lab at some point.


You see the address? Radcliffe right across from Fred Meyer. I'm surprised there's a house in that area that isn't still a meth lab.
 
2012-10-02 10:40:11 AM  
So you're buying a foreclosed home in a high meth area, and you don't get an inspection, environmental survey, and detailed history?

Then you deserve everything you get, you penny wise, pound foolish people.
 
2012-10-02 10:41:13 AM  
Shoulda checked the basement

www.fastcocreate.com
 
2012-10-02 10:45:56 AM  

namegoeshere: So you're buying a foreclosed home in a high meth area, and you don't get an inspection, environmental survey, and detailed history?

Then you deserve everything you get, you penny wise, pound foolish people.


I RTFA, and it's worse than that: you're too cheap to pay $50 for a test kit. You don't have a spare $50 to ensure your home is safe for your baby, yet you think you need to be buying a home? And because you're too cheap to do even the most basic investigation on the home you are buying, you're going to blame Freddie Mac?
 
2012-10-02 10:46:07 AM  
Take along a drug sniffing dog when house shopping. And stay away from any Realtor™ who's missing lots of teeth or much of a nose.

 i189.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-02 10:46:16 AM  

tomo12144: Shoulda checked the basement

[www.fastcocreate.com image 585x312]


chuckpalahniuk.net

Better Call Saul!

/you beat me to it
 
2012-10-02 10:47:28 AM  

namegoeshere: So you're buying a foreclosed home in a high meth area, and you don't get an inspection, environmental survey, and detailed history?

Then you deserve everything you get, you penny wise, pound foolish people.


Depends. What are the disclosure laws like in Oregon? In most Southern states the seller is required to disclose damn near everything of public significance to ever occur at a property. Failure to do so means the sale can be nullified by the buyer.
 
2012-10-02 10:52:16 AM  
Dude, you bought a $36,000 house and were too cheap to pay $50 for a test kit or $250-$400 for a home inspection. You're an idiot and no one owes you a thing.

See it every day.
 
2012-10-02 10:52:18 AM  

Chabash: I'd challenge anyone to find a home in Klamath Falls that wasn't a meth lab at some point.


I'd be more worried about the geckos.

farking fire and golden geckos can kill the SHIAT out of you early on, if you're not careful...
 
2012-10-02 10:58:47 AM  

Felgraf: Chabash: I'd challenge anyone to find a home in Klamath Falls that wasn't a meth lab at some point.

I'd be more worried about the geckos.

farking fire and golden geckos can kill the SHIAT out of you early on, if you're not careful...


Nah, just put some points into melee and spear them in the eyes. The can't attack what they can't see. Besides there is nothing but that one shot pipe gun in the area.
 
2012-10-02 10:58:54 AM  

jmr61: Dude, you bought a $36,000 house and were too cheap to pay $50 for a test kit or $250-$400 for a home inspection. You're an idiot and no one owes you a thing.

See it every day.


Or we devolve into Russian-esque levels of fraud and corruption in common business transactions.

We have disclosure laws for a reason: to reduce fraud.
 
2012-10-02 10:59:48 AM  

Carousel Beast: namegoeshere: So you're buying a foreclosed home in a high meth area, and you don't get an inspection, environmental survey, and detailed history?

Then you deserve everything you get, you penny wise, pound foolish people.

Depends. What are the disclosure laws like in Oregon? In most Southern states the seller is required to disclose damn near everything of public significance to ever occur at a property. Failure to do so means the sale can be nullified by the buyer.


There was a story either last year or the year before about a couple on the east coast that got sick because the house they bought was a meth house. They did the normal inspection and everything was fine. The thing is that the sellers knew that it was a former meth house, local law enforcement knew that it was a former meth house and the health department knew it was a former meth house, but by law none of this information had to be disclosed to them by the seller and none of the information was available for them to request it. So basically the only way that they would have known that the house was a former meth house was if they had a separate test specifically for the chemicals meth leaves behind run during the inspection. And apparently when it comes to meth houses this policy applies in most of the U.S. So moral of the story is, before purchasing a home, especially one that has been vacant for a while, get a meth test done during the inspection. Also invest money in the companies that make the meth test because this is probably going to become a recommended part of the home inspection process.
 
2012-10-02 11:01:43 AM  
I read this article and there are a lot of things that don't add up. Freddie Mac claims that they didn't know, and there is a disclosure requirement (assuming, of course, that they knew).

Skipping an inspection on a house with an "as-is" sale agreement is stupid. If anything, you should probably get more than one type of inspection done...

/expensive lesson learned
 
2012-10-02 11:02:33 AM  
Huh? What?
TFA quotes an "expert" who says a recent call came from Michigan, a state with no disclosure law, where a father unknowingly purchased a meth-contaminated home. "He just buried his 14-year-old daughter after living in it for two years," Mazzuca said. "I could tell you stories like that for days."

Yes. Yes, you could. And a quick google seatch shows no such news story. And somehow, I'd think that would hit the news. Allow me to call BS
 
2012-10-02 11:03:29 AM  
It's "Vamanos Pest". Singular.
 
2012-10-02 11:05:22 AM  

ChipNASA: [cn1.kaboodle.com image 250x240]


Instagram now has hardware?
 
2012-10-02 11:06:47 AM  

Carousel Beast: namegoeshere: So you're buying a foreclosed home in a high meth area, and you don't get an inspection, environmental survey, and detailed history?

Then you deserve everything you get, you penny wise, pound foolish people.

Depends. What are the disclosure laws like in Oregon? In most Southern states the seller is required to disclose damn near everything of public significance to ever occur at a property. Failure to do so means the sale can be nullified by the buyer.


There's always the "I didn't know" excuse with the disclosure laws. Especially when it's not being sold by the occupant. This may not ever have been known to be a meth house. There would be nothing to disclose.

What it comes down to is, if you can't afford an inspection and a $50 test kit, you can't afford to buy that house.
 
2012-10-02 11:07:21 AM  

Felgraf: Chabash: I'd challenge anyone to find a home in Klamath Falls that wasn't a meth lab at some point.

I'd be more worried about the geckos.

farking fire and gordon geckos can kill the SHIAT out of you early on, if you're not careful...


1.bp.blogspot.com

I thought greed was good? No?
 
2012-10-02 11:09:48 AM  
But Heisenberg Realty came highly recommended!
 
2012-10-02 11:10:50 AM  
My friend got lucky with his first house, just a grow op in the garage.
 
2012-10-02 11:13:31 AM  
Buying an "as is" home is an even greater reason to have an inspection!
When I bought my most recent home the realtor was surprised that we got a home inspection. She said most people here do not get one. That is crazy.
 
2012-10-02 11:17:02 AM  

namegoeshere: So you're buying a foreclosed home in a high meth area, and you don't get an inspection, environmental survey, and detailed history?

Then you deserve everything you get, you penny wise, pound foolish people.


This family sounds dirt poor to me. I doubt they had the money to do all that. I mean, if you need a mortgage on a $36,000 house, you're in poor shape financially.
 
2012-10-02 11:17:09 AM  

StrikitRich: But Heisenberg Realty came highly recommended!


And, make sure someone by the name of Jesse Pinkman never lived there...
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The following is just a bonus pic I found when searching for the above image... not related to the thread...
pics.wikifeet.com
 
2012-10-02 11:17:26 AM  
The important thing is that we stay the course and keep the War on Drugs going.

We are almost there folks! Soooo close!
 
GCD
2012-10-02 11:18:25 AM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: My friend got lucky with his first house, just a grow op in the garage.


Grow ops aren't without their own set of issues too. The high humidity required to grow the plants tends to result in the formation of black mould.

The lights they use to grow the plants are also a huge draw on the electrical wires in the home. There has been numerous instances of where the wires have just simply overheated, sparking a fire and burning the house/building to the ground.

If they have taken the liberty of "upgrading" the wiring in the house, then it tends to be a DIY-job, which means it's not done right, it's not done to code and it can cause its own set of issues down the line.

If the place was given a thorough home inspection (with the inspector knowing it was a grow up previously) and a green light, then great.

If the home inspector didn't know it was a grow up previously, I'd definitely have it looked at sooner rather than later.
 
2012-10-02 11:19:42 AM  

namegoeshere: Carousel Beast: namegoeshere: So you're buying a foreclosed home in a high meth area, and you don't get an inspection, environmental survey, and detailed history?

Then you deserve everything you get, you penny wise, pound foolish people.

Depends. What are the disclosure laws like in Oregon? In most Southern states the seller is required to disclose damn near everything of public significance to ever occur at a property. Failure to do so means the sale can be nullified by the buyer.

There's always the "I didn't know" excuse with the disclosure laws. Especially when it's not being sold by the occupant. This may not ever have been known to be a meth house. There would be nothing to disclose.

What it comes down to is, if you can't afford an inspection and a $50 test kit, you can't afford to buy that house.


Oregonian here. And I know someone who work's for the state's Clandestine Drug Lab Program (which is one person, for the entire state).

The legislature tried to pass a law requiring disclosure of drug lab activity if a house changes hands. Basically, if a residential meth/DMT lab is busted, that goes on the deed.

Guess who lobbied against and ultimately defeated that bill? The real estate lobby.

Fast forward a few years after the meth lab epidemic - before sudoephedrine was made prescription only, drug lab busts averaged one per day (and that's only the ones we knew about). There's a few thousand homes in this state that were known former labs.

Real estate agents are discovering they're getting sued for selling former meth labs to unsuspecting people.

Guess who's complaining to the state that there's no uniform disclosure process for former meth labs? Real estate agents.
 
2012-10-02 11:22:49 AM  

GCD: Zarquon's Flat Tire: My friend got lucky with his first house, just a grow op in the garage.

Grow ops aren't without their own set of issues too. The high humidity required to grow the plants tends to result in the formation of black mould.

The lights they use to grow the plants are also a huge draw on the electrical wires in the home. There has been numerous instances of where the wires have just simply overheated, sparking a fire and burning the house/building to the ground.

If they have taken the liberty of "upgrading" the wiring in the house, then it tends to be a DIY-job, which means it's not done right, it's not done to code and it can cause its own set of issues down the line.

If the place was given a thorough home inspection (with the inspector knowing it was a grow up previously) and a green light, then great.

If the home inspector didn't know it was a grow up previously, I'd definitely have it looked at sooner rather than later.


Depends on the state, if you have medical marijuana then you have licensed electricians doing all the wiring and installation. I know a few that make a good portion of their money from those kind of jobs.
 
2012-10-02 11:23:04 AM  

mr_bunny: The important thing is that we stay the course and keep the War on Drugs going.


I'm not sure that legal meth could ever be a good idea. Or cocaine, heroin or any other easily lethal drug. People are too stupid and would kill themselves left and right. You might say "Yay, Darwin!" and part of me says you'd be right. But sometimes there are innocent victims in that kind of situation: kids, wives, loved ones.

Or, you might say "but people already have access and kill themselves left and right now". You would also be right, but that access isn't wide open.

Definitely not a black and white issue.
 
2012-10-02 11:23:23 AM  

insertsnarkyusername: Nah, just put some points into melee and spear them in the eyes. The can't attack what they can't see. Besides there is nothing but that one shot pipe gun in the area.


Well, you could tag Speech and do a Navarro run.
 
2012-10-02 11:23:54 AM  

FizixJunkee: namegoeshere: So you're buying a foreclosed home in a high meth area, and you don't get an inspection, environmental survey, and detailed history?

Then you deserve everything you get, you penny wise, pound foolish people.

This family sounds dirt poor to me. I doubt they had the money to do all that. I mean, if you need a mortgage on a $36,000 house, you're in poor shape financially.


Hence the "penny wise, pound foolish." Now they are paying the mortgage on a house they can't live in, and paying rent on the house in which they live.

Whether you are buying a $30,000 house or a $300,000 house, if you can't afford to be smart about the transaction, you don't need to own that home. If you rent a house and find out it's contaminated, you're out a month's rent and the deposit on the next place, not $36,000.

The dream of home ownership at all costs is not always a good one.

Our mortgage lender required a thorough inspection, but I would never have bought without one even if they hadn't. We knew exactly what we were getting into, and also had an aproximate timeline for major repairs (roof, furnace, etc) which has proven very accurate.
 
2012-10-02 11:28:09 AM  
I'm pretty sure every other house in Oregon is a former meth lab and that's just a conservative guess.
 
2012-10-02 11:29:21 AM  

Felgraf: insertsnarkyusername: Nah, just put some points into melee and spear them in the eyes. The can't attack what they can't see. Besides there is nothing but that one shot pipe gun in the area.

Well, you could tag Speech and do a Navarro run.


True, but that always felt like I was taking advantage of the game to me. And I so enjoyed slaughtering everything on that base.
 
2012-10-02 11:30:16 AM  

moops: It's "Vamanos Pest". Singular.


And it's actually "Vamonos Pest", as in the spanish word for "leave".

/"Vamonos!"
//"I wish"
 
2012-10-02 11:30:33 AM  

namegoeshere: FizixJunkee: namegoeshere: So you're buying a foreclosed home in a high meth area, and you don't get an inspection, environmental survey, and detailed history?

Then you deserve everything you get, you penny wise, pound foolish people.

This family sounds dirt poor to me. I doubt they had the money to do all that. I mean, if you need a mortgage on a $36,000 house, you're in poor shape financially.

Hence the "penny wise, pound foolish." Now they are paying the mortgage on a house they can't live in, and paying rent on the house in which they live.

Whether you are buying a $30,000 house or a $300,000 house, if you can't afford to be smart about the transaction, you don't need to own that home. If you rent a house and find out it's contaminated, you're out a month's rent and the deposit on the next place, not $36,000.

The dream of home ownership at all costs is not always a good one.

Our mortgage lender required a thorough inspection, but I would never have bought without one even if they hadn't. We knew exactly what we were getting into, and also had an aproximate timeline for major repairs (roof, furnace, etc) which has proven very accurate.


More than likely when you purchased the house a thorough inspection didn't include an inspection for chemicals related to meth. That wouldn't be found in a normal inspection and up until 2 or 3 years ago inspecting for meth wouldn't have even crossed anybodies minds and it even today people don't realize the importance of it.
 
2012-10-02 11:31:21 AM  

H31N0US: mr_bunny: The important thing is that we stay the course and keep the War on Drugs going.

I'm not sure that legal meth could ever be a good idea. Or cocaine, heroin or any other easily lethal drug. People are too stupid and would kill themselves left and right. You might say "Yay, Darwin!" and part of me says you'd be right. But sometimes there are innocent victims in that kind of situation: kids, wives, loved ones.

Or, you might say "but people already have access and kill themselves left and right now". You would also be right, but that access isn't wide open.

Definitely not a black and white issue.


Well said. And, if anything, this supports legalized weed.
 
2012-10-02 11:31:24 AM  

Anastacya: I read this article and there are a lot of things that don't add up. Freddie Mac claims that they didn't know, and there is a disclosure requirement (assuming, of course, that they knew).

Skipping an inspection on a house with an "as-is" sale agreement is stupid. If anything, you should probably get more than one type of inspection done...

/expensive lesson learned


What if you do get an inspection and your inspector fails to note a big issue?
 
2012-10-02 11:37:20 AM  
My favorite montage from Breaking Bad...just because.

Crystal Blue Persuasion
 
2012-10-02 11:37:55 AM  
Doh! Link didn't work!

http://vimeo.com/48739828
 
2012-10-02 11:40:37 AM  

H31N0US: mr_bunny: The important thing is that we stay the course and keep the War on Drugs going.

I'm not sure that legal meth could ever be a good idea. Or cocaine, heroin or any other easily lethal drug. People are too stupid and would kill themselves left and right. You might say "Yay, Darwin!" and part of me says you'd be right. But sometimes there are innocent victims in that kind of situation: kids, wives, loved ones.

Or, you might say "but people already have access and kill themselves left and right now". You would also be right, but that access isn't wide open.

Definitely not a black and white issue.


I would not say, "Yay Darwin!"

I would, however, hand those drugs right back to the doctors that know about them and take them back from the DEA.

Heroin is a marvelous pain killer. It made the Bayer corporation millions. Prohibition just leads to lawlessness and violence.
It really does just have to end.

Spain, Portugal and Italy did it and society didn't fall apart.
 
2012-10-02 11:45:10 AM  

ongbok: namegoeshere: FizixJunkee: namegoeshere: So you're buying a foreclosed home in a high meth area, and you don't get an inspection, environmental survey, and detailed history?

Then you deserve everything you get, you penny wise, pound foolish people.

This family sounds dirt poor to me. I doubt they had the money to do all that. I mean, if you need a mortgage on a $36,000 house, you're in poor shape financially.

Hence the "penny wise, pound foolish." Now they are paying the mortgage on a house they can't live in, and paying rent on the house in which they live.

Whether you are buying a $30,000 house or a $300,000 house, if you can't afford to be smart about the transaction, you don't need to own that home. If you rent a house and find out it's contaminated, you're out a month's rent and the deposit on the next place, not $36,000.

The dream of home ownership at all costs is not always a good one.

Our mortgage lender required a thorough inspection, but I would never have bought without one even if they hadn't. We knew exactly what we were getting into, and also had an aproximate timeline for major repairs (roof, furnace, etc) which has proven very accurate.

More than likely when you purchased the house a thorough inspection didn't include an inspection for chemicals related to meth. That wouldn't be found in a normal inspection and up until 2 or 3 years ago inspecting for meth wouldn't have even crossed anybodies minds and it even today people don't realize the importance of it.


True, but we knew we were buying from a family who were relocating out of state for the father's business. When we bought, meth hadn't yet found its way here. The house was in good condition. There was a clear list of owners from the builder to the sellers. The neighbors were long term, and knew all the previous owners. The chance that this house was ever a meth house was minute to none.

Had we been buying an empty forclosure in poor shape in a known meth area, we would have spent the $50 for the test kit. Not doing so would be stupid, as these people are finding out.
 
2012-10-02 11:58:29 AM  

FizixJunkee: Anastacya: I read this article and there are a lot of things that don't add up. Freddie Mac claims that they didn't know, and there is a disclosure requirement (assuming, of course, that they knew).

Skipping an inspection on a house with an "as-is" sale agreement is stupid. If anything, you should probably get more than one type of inspection done...

/expensive lesson learned

What if you do get an inspection and your inspector fails to note a big issue?


Then you go after their Errors and Omissions policy.
 
2012-10-02 12:03:50 PM  
We bought our first home 2 months ago. It is in SE Portland. It had been foreclosed at one point, was rehabbed and flipped. Now it is a great place. You better believe I scoured the Internet looking for any link between our address and meth. I learned from the neighbors that the reason people have moved in and out of this place so often is they grew out of it. Apparently this house has a reputation of a baby factory. That lent the place a good feel in my mind. 100 year old houses can be creepy, and friends ask if there are ghosts, but this place is full of life.

Anyhoo, do your research, people. Save yourself some pain.
 
2012-10-02 12:09:40 PM  

moops: namegoeshere: Carousel Beast: namegoeshere: So you're buying a foreclosed home in a high meth area, and you don't get an inspection, environmental survey, and detailed history?

Then you deserve everything you get, you penny wise, pound foolish people.

Depends. What are the disclosure laws like in Oregon? In most Southern states the seller is required to disclose damn near everything of public significance to ever occur at a property. Failure to do so means the sale can be nullified by the buyer.

There's always the "I didn't know" excuse with the disclosure laws. Especially when it's not being sold by the occupant. This may not ever have been known to be a meth house. There would be nothing to disclose.

What it comes down to is, if you can't afford an inspection and a $50 test kit, you can't afford to buy that house.

Oregonian here. And I know someone who work's for the state's Clandestine Drug Lab Program (which is one person, for the entire state).

The legislature tried to pass a law requiring disclosure of drug lab activity if a house changes hands. Basically, if a residential meth/DMT lab is busted, that goes on the deed.

Guess who lobbied against and ultimately defeated that bill? The real estate lobby.

Fast forward a few years after the meth lab epidemic - before sudoephedrine was made prescription only, drug lab busts averaged one per day (and that's only the ones we knew about). There's a few thousand homes in this state that were known former labs.

Real estate agents are discovering they're getting sued for selling former meth labs to unsuspecting people.

Guess who's complaining to the state that there's no uniform disclosure process for former meth labs? Real estate agents.


As another Oregon resident, let me just say: Fark the real estate lobby in this state.
 
2012-10-02 12:10:21 PM  
Another pathetic example of our pathetic governments' "War on Pot" (there is no War on Drugs).

While community police waste time and jail-space (and cost) by booking people with a few grams of pot - said pot which has killed NOBODY - they don't pursue meth labs worth a squat EVEN THOUGH this article alone points to many deaths...MANY...by law-abiding people who just want to own a home - a place of safety from the world.

Where is the attention to these innocent victims who are DYING because a meth house is basically poison?

How many confirmed deaths have been reported for people moving into homes where pot was smoked? Zero. Where do you find people who smoked pot - and nothing else - and are true menaces to society? Nowhere.

So thanks, police, for "creating criminals" through petty pot arrests while ignoring a documented safety threat to not only users and cookers but INNOCENT families.

I feel much safer.
 
2012-10-02 12:12:18 PM  
I had sympathy until i saw that picture of them. Too bad the kid didnt die. They deserve to live the rest of their lives in misery.
 
2012-10-02 12:13:22 PM  

namegoeshere: So you're buying a foreclosed home in a high meth area, and you don't get an inspection, environmental survey, and detailed history?

Then you deserve everything you get, you penny wise, pound foolish people.


Yep, it's the homeowners fault, not the fault of the meth cookers/dealers. The homeowners children DESERVE to die!

I hope you die in an accident with a drunk driver - I hope any family you have is in the car and don't make it themselves. Teach YOU to drive on the roads, idiot.

F*cktardian Asshole.
 
2012-10-02 12:13:56 PM  

mr_bunny: Spain, Portugal and Italy did it and society didn't fall apart.


But their economy's did.

See?

/runs
 
2012-10-02 12:14:31 PM  

lohphat: mr_bunny: Spain, Portugal and Italy did it and society didn't fall apart.

But their economy's did.

See?

/runs


Er..."economies".

/troll needs coffee
 
2012-10-02 12:15:41 PM  

jmr61: Dude, you bought a $36,000 house and were too cheap to pay $50 for a test kit or $250-$400 for a home inspection. You're an idiot and no one owes you a thing.

See it every day.


What a stupid comment after reading (maybe not your strong suit) that even full inspections wouldn't detect the presence of a meth lab.
 
2012-10-02 12:19:02 PM  

meat0918: Fark the real estate lobby in this state.


not just your state. there isn't one real estate agent on this planet that does not deserve to have their throat slit by a homeless sodomite in an dark alley.
 
2012-10-02 12:19:17 PM  
What kind of test kit do you buy to detect that your house used to be a meth lab?
 
2012-10-02 12:19:19 PM  
Here's something for all you f*cktards - a little reading comprehension:

FTFA (which obviously nobody read):

Because it was being sold "as is," the couple decided to save their money and skip a traditional inspection, which would have noted superficial repairs but not the chemicals used to cook the highly addictive drug. "In the case of methamphetamine, it's an invisible toxin," Jonathan said.
 
2012-10-02 12:21:08 PM  
 
2012-10-02 12:21:25 PM  

DaCaptain19: Here's something for all you f*cktards - a little reading comprehension:

FTFA (which obviously nobody read):

Because it was being sold "as is," the couple decided to save their money and skip a traditional inspection, which would have noted superficial repairs but not the chemicals used to cook the highly addictive drug. "In the case of methamphetamine, it's an invisible toxin," Jonathan said.


And you missed the part where the $50 test kit would have found it.
 
2012-10-02 12:27:46 PM  

lohphat: lohphat: mr_bunny: Spain, Portugal and Italy did it and society didn't fall apart.

But their economy's did.

See?

/runs

Er..."economies".

/troll needs coffee


For entirely different reasons.
 
2012-10-02 12:34:51 PM  

DaCaptain19: Here's something for all you f*cktards - a little reading comprehension:

FTFA (which obviously nobody read):

Because it was being sold "as is," the couple decided to save their money and skip a traditional inspection, which would have noted superficial repairs but not the chemicals used to cook the highly addictive drug. "In the case of methamphetamine, it's an invisible toxin," Jonathan said.


That's NOT the point F*CKTARD. The point is that there was a notable police action where chemicals were in use and that was not disclosed.
 
2012-10-02 12:46:24 PM  
CSB time:

We have been living in Michigan for a few years, been in an apartment and a trailer because we always considered being here temporary. Things aren't looking all that temporary so we're gonna settle down for several more years until we can find work elsewhere easier.

That being said, we've been on the market for a house since our lives basically feel like it's on hold in this damn trailer so we find this one, perfect size, perfect location, decent property, and the place is GORGEOUS. They did a really good job remodeling this place. You go downstairs, all new appliances and plumbing, etc, just looks banging.

Come inspection, surprise! Half the work was done there without a permit (the badly-done half), there was no accesses built for about 1/3 of the attic and 1/3 of the crawl space isn't accessible, either. Water leaks out of the side of the house due to settling and plumbing (and a/c vents) that came undone. Apparently the part of the foundation they put the master bedroom and addition on needed replaced so it was falling over (I should have noticed this but didn't as the market up here in the desirable areas is so fierce that houses get put up and taken down within a week usually so we rushed into an agreement).

The problem was bad enough that they built another floor on top of the old floor to even out the master bedroom (from what the inspector saw in the accessible area) and didn't even put down treated lumber for support against the foundation meaning it was going to fall apart FAST). Oh, and the septic? Wasn't done with a permit, either, meaning it probably was done just as stupidly as some of the other 'repairs,' although the visual flow test came back good (though how much more settling until it became defunct?)

Basically, the place looked like a million bucks, but holy hell were we slapped in the face with all the hidden problems that we're fairly sure the probably-recently-divorced-single-mom genuinely didn't have any idea because she probably cheaped out on an inspector, who went in and was all 'holy hell they did this place up awesome, I've seen enough. PASS'

DONT CHEAP OUT ON YOUR INSPECTOR! If you don't opt to get one even on the surest of deals, I have no sympathy for you, hipster or not. We're out 500$ now instead of almost $200,000

/was all 'updated' 2 years ago by a flipper
//current resident was in there for about a year
///The house is up again but I don't see any disclosure
////Assholes
 
2012-10-02 12:53:56 PM  
"We certainly empathize with the situation, but we had no prior information about the way the home had been used," Freddie Mac spokesman Brad German told Yahoo News. "If we had, of course, we would have disclosed it."

And if you believe that. I have a great deal on a bridge for you.
 
2012-10-02 01:18:17 PM  

namegoeshere: DaCaptain19: Here's something for all you f*cktards - a little reading comprehension:

FTFA (which obviously nobody read):

Because it was being sold "as is," the couple decided to save their money and skip a traditional inspection, which would have noted superficial repairs but not the chemicals used to cook the highly addictive drug. "In the case of methamphetamine, it's an invisible toxin," Jonathan said.

And you missed the part where the $50 test kit would have found it.


Did YOU buy a test kit (assuming you've ever had a house) to test your house for meth? I've owned four houses in my time and never tested ANY for meth. Never was meth an issue - I guess I"m just lucky. I'll bet if you surveyed anyone who bought a house in the last 10 years you'd have less than 0.01% prospective homeowners buying such a kit.
 
2012-10-02 01:20:11 PM  

lohphat: DaCaptain19: Here's something for all you f*cktards - a little reading comprehension:

FTFA (which obviously nobody read):

Because it was being sold "as is," the couple decided to save their money and skip a traditional inspection, which would have noted superficial repairs but not the chemicals used to cook the highly addictive drug. "In the case of methamphetamine, it's an invisible toxin," Jonathan said.

That's NOT the point F*CKTARD. The point is that there was a notable police action where chemicals were in use and that was not disclosed.


You totally missed my point, Thou King of F*cktards, whose f*cktardian abilities are beyond comprehension.
 
2012-10-02 01:21:39 PM  
new company idear: HouseFax (similar to CarFax)...ever been a murder in your house? death? crime-related offenses? how long was it owned by each owner? ever in an accident? large-scale repairs?


/gold mine
 
2012-10-02 01:22:16 PM  

DaCaptain19: namegoeshere: DaCaptain19: Here's something for all you f*cktards - a little reading comprehension:

FTFA (which obviously nobody read):

Because it was being sold "as is," the couple decided to save their money and skip a traditional inspection, which would have noted superficial repairs but not the chemicals used to cook the highly addictive drug. "In the case of methamphetamine, it's an invisible toxin," Jonathan said.

And you missed the part where the $50 test kit would have found it.

Did YOU buy a test kit (assuming you've ever had a house) to test your house for meth? I've owned four houses in my time and never tested ANY for meth. Never was meth an issue - I guess I"m just lucky. I'll bet if you surveyed anyone who bought a house in the last 10 years you'd have less than 0.01% prospective homeowners buying such a kit.


I didn't but that's because the prior owners didn't have any warning signs. I did get a standard home inspection though. Lots of things I would have never thought to look at.

To not get at least a regular home inspection. Holy hell! What were they thinking?!?!
 
2012-10-02 01:22:37 PM  
Link

/foiled again
/day late, dollar short
 
2012-10-02 01:41:29 PM  

felixecho: I learned from the neighbors that the reason people have moved in and out of this place so often is they grew out of it. Apparently this house has a reputation of a baby factory. That lent the place a good feel in my mind.


You should have probably also researched whether an inordinate number of those babies looked like the neighbour.
 
2012-10-02 02:01:10 PM  
Fortunately, with the current restrictions on pre-cursor chemicals in Oregon, this sort of problem will no longer happen. Local meth labs cannot compete with the Mexican cartels.
 
2012-10-02 02:02:28 PM  

DaCaptain19: namegoeshere: DaCaptain19: Here's something for all you f*cktards - a little reading comprehension:

FTFA (which obviously nobody read):

Because it was being sold "as is," the couple decided to save their money and skip a traditional inspection, which would have noted superficial repairs but not the chemicals used to cook the highly addictive drug. "In the case of methamphetamine, it's an invisible toxin," Jonathan said.

And you missed the part where the $50 test kit would have found it.

Did YOU buy a test kit (assuming you've ever had a house) to test your house for meth? I've owned four houses in my time and never tested ANY for meth. Never was meth an issue - I guess I"m just lucky. I'll bet if you surveyed anyone who bought a house in the last 10 years you'd have less than 0.01% prospective homeowners buying such a kit.


I didn't buy an empty, cheap, run down forclosure in a high meth area. Had I, hell yes I would have bought a $50 test kit. Because when you buy a cheap, empty, run down forclosure in a high meth area, THERE'S A DAMN GOOD CHANCE THERE'S BEEN METH MADE IN IT.

As I said previously, my house had a complete list of owners, from the builder (whose son still lived in the neighborhood) to our sellers, all employed families, all known to the neighbors. It was in good shape, and meth had not hit the area yet. So testing wasn't indicated. In the case in TFA, meth testing was highly indicated. The owners were cheap, and now they're screwed.
 
2012-10-02 02:06:53 PM  
namegoeshere: I didn't buy an empty, cheap, run down forclosure in a high meth area. Had I, hell yes I would have bought a $50 test kit. Because when you buy a cheap, empty, run down forclosure in a high meth area, THERE'S A DAMN GOOD CHANCE THERE'S BEEN METH MADE IN IT.


It's a foreclosure, so no telling what the previous owners might have done in the place. Could have been a meth lab, maybe had some terrorists building a dirty bomb, maybe some bees built a giant nest in the walls, etc.
 
2012-10-02 02:09:42 PM  
Also $36,000 house? Isn't that what a lot of mid range cars go for these days?
 
2012-10-02 02:13:58 PM  

lordargent: namegoeshere: I didn't buy an empty, cheap, run down forclosure in a high meth area. Had I, hell yes I would have bought a $50 test kit. Because when you buy a cheap, empty, run down forclosure in a high meth area, THERE'S A DAMN GOOD CHANCE THERE'S BEEN METH MADE IN IT.


It's a foreclosure, so no telling what the previous owners might have done in the place. Could have been a meth lab, maybe had some terrorists building a dirty bomb, maybe some bees built a giant nest in the walls, etc.


$50 would have found out about the meth, and a good home inspection would have caught the bees. Don't know about the dirty bomb, but holy fark if this isn't the most passive agressive thread I've seen in a while. They were eager to own a cheap home. They were foolish and unwise, and did not take some very simple precautions which would have saved them many grand, illness, and agrivation. Now they're screwed.

If you aren't willing to be smart about buying a home, home ownership is probably not for you.
 
2012-10-02 02:17:51 PM  
namegoeshere : $50 would have found out about the meth,

I bet they didn't test for asbestos either.

// tested for asbestos ... didn't find any ... scraped the popcorn ceiling off after I closed.
 
2012-10-02 03:29:51 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: [l.yimg.com image 630x413]

So... buying a house that used to be a meth lab isn't ironic enough for you?

Farking hipsters.

/What that photo taken with a film camera?


You wouldn't know what a hipster look like. Even if he came up to you and told you that your ass is over rated.
 
2012-10-02 03:49:50 PM  
So what is this invisible toxic chemical, exactly?
 
2012-10-02 03:56:55 PM  

namegoeshere: namegoeshere: So you're buying a foreclosed home in a high meth area, and you don't get an inspection, environmental survey, and detailed history?

Then you deserve everything you get, you penny wise, pound foolish people.

I RTFA, and it's worse than that: you're too cheap to pay $50 for a test kit. You don't have a spare $50 to ensure your home is safe for your baby, yet you think you need to be buying a home? And because you're too cheap to do even the most basic investigation on the home you are buying, you're going to blame Freddie Mac?


And let's not miss that they didn't talk to any of the neighbors until AFTER the purchase.

These optimistic kids worked really hard to cheat themselves out of $36k. It took multiple levels of farking up to reach that finish line, but they cleared every hurdle and managed to buy a completely worthless home.

The silver lining is, $36k isn't really that much money, so this is a lesson they can learn from and grow.

Buying a foreclosed house from government-sponsored Freddie Mac meant the family was informed about being responsible for detecting hazards like lead paint and asbestos, but there was no warning from real estate agents or Freddie Mac about drug activity...
Because it was being sold "as is," the couple decided to save their money and skip a traditional inspection


Can't tell from the article, but there's no indication they even tested for the asbestos and lead paint. Did they even test for termites? Radon? Other outstanding liens? Cost of property taxes?

I truly wonder what they thought the phrase "as is" means. 

//The moral of the story is, before you spend thousands on a house, spend $25 on a book that explains the process. If you're too lazy or too busy for books, spend $500 on a lawyer and FOLLOW HIS ADVICE. Like a teen pregnancy, this was a completely preventable problem.
 
2012-10-02 04:03:24 PM  
 
2012-10-02 04:12:20 PM  

namegoeshere: lordargent: namegoeshere: I didn't buy an empty, cheap, run down forclosure in a high meth area. Had I, hell yes I would have bought a $50 test kit. Because when you buy a cheap, empty, run down forclosure in a high meth area, THERE'S A DAMN GOOD CHANCE THERE'S BEEN METH MADE IN IT.


It's a foreclosure, so no telling what the previous owners might have done in the place. Could have been a meth lab, maybe had some terrorists building a dirty bomb, maybe some bees built a giant nest in the walls, etc.

$50 would have found out about the meth, and a good home inspection would have caught the bees. Don't know about the dirty bomb, but holy fark if this isn't the most passive agressive thread I've seen in a while. They were eager to own a cheap home. They were foolish and unwise, and did not take some very simple precautions which would have saved them many grand, illness, and agrivation. Now they're screwed.

If you aren't willing to be smart about buying a home, home ownership is probably not for you.


The point is that meth toxins aren't something that people know about getting a test for. It isn't a publicized issue, in fact it is something that is swept under the rug, and a lot of people probably wouldn't even know if a house is in an area know for meth and even if they did that it is possible to get sick from the toxins after the lab has been removed from the house.

Hell I'm willing to bet that you didn't even realize this or know that a normal home inspection wouldn't discover this until you read the article. Your claims that you would have known to get the meth test done because you are a "knowledgeable" homeowner are nothing but lies you are telling to try to make yourself seem smarter and superior to a bunch of anonymous people on the internet. Which is almost as sad as these people getting sick from buying a meth house.
 
2012-10-02 04:20:02 PM  

ongbok: namegoeshere: lordargent: namegoeshere: I didn't buy an empty, cheap, run down forclosure in a high meth area. Had I, hell yes I would have bought a $50 test kit. Because when you buy a cheap, empty, run down forclosure in a high meth area, THERE'S A DAMN GOOD CHANCE THERE'S BEEN METH MADE IN IT.


It's a foreclosure, so no telling what the previous owners might have done in the place. Could have been a meth lab, maybe had some terrorists building a dirty bomb, maybe some bees built a giant nest in the walls, etc.

$50 would have found out about the meth, and a good home inspection would have caught the bees. Don't know about the dirty bomb, but holy fark if this isn't the most passive agressive thread I've seen in a while. They were eager to own a cheap home. They were foolish and unwise, and did not take some very simple precautions which would have saved them many grand, illness, and agrivation. Now they're screwed.

If you aren't willing to be smart about buying a home, home ownership is probably not for you.

The point is that meth toxins aren't something that people know about getting a test for. It isn't a publicized issue, in fact it is something that is swept under the rug, and a lot of people probably wouldn't even know if a house is in an area know for meth and even if they did that it is possible to get sick from the toxins after the lab has been removed from the house.

Hell I'm willing to bet that you didn't even realize this or know that a normal home inspection wouldn't discover this until you read the article. Your claims that you would have known to get the meth test done because you are a "knowledgeable" homeowner are nothing but lies you are telling to try to make yourself seem smarter and superior to a bunch of anonymous people on the internet. Which is almost as sad as these people getting sick from buying a meth house.


Actually, when you sign the contract with the home inspector, they tell you exactly what they do and do not look for. So anyone who has had a home inspection knows what is involved. But don't let that stop you from being an insulting little prick if it makes you feel superior to a bunch of anonymous people on the internet.
 
2012-10-02 04:27:04 PM  

namegoeshere: ongbok: namegoeshere: lordargent: namegoeshere: I didn't buy an empty, cheap, run down forclosure in a high meth area. Had I, hell yes I would have bought a $50 test kit. Because when you buy a cheap, empty, run down forclosure in a high meth area, THERE'S A DAMN GOOD CHANCE THERE'S BEEN METH MADE IN IT.


It's a foreclosure, so no telling what the previous owners might have done in the place. Could have been a meth lab, maybe had some terrorists building a dirty bomb, maybe some bees built a giant nest in the walls, etc.

$50 would have found out about the meth, and a good home inspection would have caught the bees. Don't know about the dirty bomb, but holy fark if this isn't the most passive agressive thread I've seen in a while. They were eager to own a cheap home. They were foolish and unwise, and did not take some very simple precautions which would have saved them many grand, illness, and agrivation. Now they're screwed.

If you aren't willing to be smart about buying a home, home ownership is probably not for you.

The point is that meth toxins aren't something that people know about getting a test for. It isn't a publicized issue, in fact it is something that is swept under the rug, and a lot of people probably wouldn't even know if a house is in an area know for meth and even if they did that it is possible to get sick from the toxins after the lab has been removed from the house.

Hell I'm willing to bet that you didn't even realize this or know that a normal home inspection wouldn't discover this until you read the article. Your claims that you would have known to get the meth test done because you are a "knowledgeable" homeowner are nothing but lies you are telling to try to make yourself seem smarter and superior to a bunch of anonymous people on the internet. Which is almost as sad as these people getting sick from buying a meth house.

Actually, when you sign the contract with the home inspector, they tell you exactly what they do and do not look for. ...


When I bought my house 6 years ago the inspector didn't tell me, nor was it anywhere on the paper work, that they didn't look for meth toxin contamination. That is not something that is required to be disclosed in most of the U.S and that is not something that most people buying homes will know to look for unless somebody tells them.

However I still stand by my original statement about you.
 
2012-10-02 04:32:19 PM  

ongbok: However I still stand by my original statement about you.


Nice to know. Now I know to tag you as someone who is incapable of having a conversation with those of differing opinions without being an insulting little douchebag.
 
2012-10-02 04:37:44 PM  

ongbok: namegoeshere: lordargent: namegoeshere: I didn't buy an empty, cheap, run down forclosure in a high meth area. Had I, hell yes I would have bought a $50 test kit. Because when you buy a cheap, empty, run down forclosure in a high meth area, THERE'S A DAMN GOOD CHANCE THERE'S BEEN METH MADE IN IT.


It's a foreclosure, so no telling what the previous owners might have done in the place. Could have been a meth lab, maybe had some terrorists building a dirty bomb, maybe some bees built a giant nest in the walls, etc.

$50 would have found out about the meth, and a good home inspection would have caught the bees. Don't know about the dirty bomb, but holy fark if this isn't the most passive agressive thread I've seen in a while. They were eager to own a cheap home. They were foolish and unwise, and did not take some very simple precautions which would have saved them many grand, illness, and agrivation. Now they're screwed.

If you aren't willing to be smart about buying a home, home ownership is probably not for you.

The point is that meth toxins aren't something that people know about getting a test for. It isn't a publicized issue, in fact it is something that is swept under the rug, and a lot of people probably wouldn't even know if a house is in an area know for meth and even if they did that it is possible to get sick from the toxins after the lab has been removed from the house.

Hell I'm willing to bet that you didn't even realize this or know that a normal home inspection wouldn't discover this until you read the article. Your claims that you would have known to get the meth test done because you are a "knowledgeable" homeowner are nothing but lies you are telling to try to make yourself seem smarter and superior to a bunch of anonymous people on the internet. Which is almost as sad as these people getting sick from buying a meth house.


Sorry, but meth is a very real (very big) problem in Oregon. If asking about the house's previous history wasn't on their checklist before they bought the house, they're absolutely moronic and deserve all of this. Especially on a foreclosed home. My parents were really interested in a house that had just recently been forclosed on and they asked their real estate agent what the deal was and he gave them some bullshiat "oh the owners divorced and couldn't afford it, blah blah blah" story. My dad looked up police records and it turns out the former owner got busted for dealing drugs and a bunch of other shiat. God knows what happened in that house, and they told the agent to fark off and bought a different house.

Long story short: the family FTFA are just dipshiats for not asking relevant questions before buying the house.
 
2012-10-02 04:53:55 PM  
ongbok: The point is that meth toxins aren't something that people know about getting a test for. It isn't a publicized issue

It is if you're looking at homes in an area that's well known for meth production.

In my case, I didn't get a test for meth, but a search of police records/etc, didn't throw up any red flags, and this area is not known for meth anyway.

A typical home inspection covers some things, but every area of the US has areas where you have to check for additional things that your typical inspection doesn't cover (or doesn't cover very well). In the case of this article, it's meth.

// It used to be former crack houses that people were worried about buying.

// And before that, houses where murders took place.
 
2012-10-02 04:57:39 PM  
Beowoolfie: Can't tell from the article, but there's no indication they even tested for the asbestos and lead paint. Did they even test for termites? Radon? Other outstanding liens? Cost of property taxes?

bad pipes, cracked foundation, leaky roof, indian graveyard

bloggingblue.com
 
2012-10-02 07:02:38 PM  

namegoeshere: namegoeshere: So you're buying a foreclosed home in a high meth area, and you don't get an inspection, environmental survey, and detailed history?

Then you deserve everything you get, you penny wise, pound foolish people.

I RTFA, and it's worse than that: you're too cheap to pay $50 for a test kit. You don't have a spare $50 to ensure your home is safe for your baby, yet you think you need to be buying a home? And because you're too cheap to do even the most basic investigation on the home you are buying, you're going to blame Freddie Mac?


Or, maybe it wouldn't occur to most people to buy the test kit? I mean, I had a home inspection and a mold inspection (because of signs of water damage) but it never would've occurred to me to test for meth contamination. I've never even heard of testing for that.
 
2012-10-02 08:29:34 PM  
"Because it was being sold "as is," the couple decided to save their money and skip a traditional inspection"

I don't understand this sentence. If they're buying it "as is", wouldn't that be all the more reason to have a home inspection done? So that you know what the "as is" problems are that you're going to have to fix?
 
2012-10-02 08:32:45 PM  
literally any rental house in this area that was up for rent between 1995-2008 had some meth made or smoked in it.

seriously.
 
2012-10-02 10:02:16 PM  

Anastacya: Skipping an inspection on a house with an "as-is" sale agreement is stupid. If anything, you should probably get more than one type of inspection done...

/expensive lesson learned


For that price, they should have gone on a hunting expedition to see what was wrong with the house. Either it's haunted, someone died of auto-erotic asphyxiation in the master bedroom closet or its an ex-meth house.
 
2012-10-02 10:06:07 PM  

DaCaptain19: lohphat: DaCaptain19: Here's something for all you f*cktards - a little reading comprehension:

FTFA (which obviously nobody read):

Because it was being sold "as is," the couple decided to save their money and skip a traditional inspection, which would have noted superficial repairs but not the chemicals used to cook the highly addictive drug. "In the case of methamphetamine, it's an invisible toxin," Jonathan said.

That's NOT the point F*CKTARD. The point is that there was a notable police action where chemicals were in use and that was not disclosed.

You totally missed my point, Thou King of F*cktards, whose f*cktardian abilities are beyond comprehension.


You're point was a wookie and therefor irrelevant.
 
2012-10-02 10:23:36 PM  

retarded: Better call Saul!


Came for this!
 
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