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2012-10-02 10:30:28 AM
19 votes:
I think they should try to replicate the experience of physically reading a newspaper, and the story should be continued on an entirely different website that's really hard to find.
2012-10-02 10:13:14 AM
13 votes:
Whatever. Pagination is about creating an interactive experience. It allows the reader to actually participate in reading the page, rather than being a passive stooge just drooling at text scrolling by on the screen. In a nation where obesity is a growing epidemic, we should be doing everything we can to make innately passive activities as active as possible. I mean, why stop at pagination? A lot of articles use multiple pictures across each page of the article...why not turn those pictures into mini slideshows, so that after clicking to get to the new page, you click to see each picture, too?

And that's still just same-old same old. Why not explore *real* innovation. Like, who says the "next" button has to always be in the same place? Why not make finding it an adventure, something the engages the reader critically, creates the opportunity for some good old fashioned problem solving? We need to be developing critical thinking skills. Maybe each page in the article, or each picture, could have a clue as to where on the web page the reader might find the hidden button that will allow for the next page to be accessed. Think of the sense of achievement people will have after having successfully found them all! We're always talking about building self confidence; here's a real chance to do just that.

And why not use the web to help develop motor skills, too? Who says the buttons have to be static? Why not have them moving around the page, flickering and jumping around and maybe turning invisible for a while? So the readers have to play a reflex game to hit it after they find it?

Reading a web site doesn't have to be boring, in other words. It can be fun.
2012-10-02 01:28:22 PM
3 votes:
flow of things.
2012-10-02 10:16:58 AM
3 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Reading a web site doesn't have to be boring, in other words. It can be fun.


May you die the slow death of a billion slide shows, funboy.
2012-10-02 01:42:23 PM
2 votes:
From the farking article:

"Pages that run too long can irritate readers," Plotz said in an email. "We run stories of 2,000, 4,000, even 6,000 words, and to run that much text down a single page can daunt and depress a reader. So pagination can make pages seem more welcoming, more chewable."

4.bp.blogspot.com

Hogwash, Mr. Plotz. You do it not only for the pageviews, but for the metrics. If the 1100-word article is on a single page, you don't have any way to determine how many of your readers (a) read the whole thing, (b) skimmed the whole thing, or (c) read the first paragraph and clicked away. But if you can make the majority of your readers click on the "2" to read the last paragraph, you know the answers to all three of those questions - what portion of your readers wanted to see the whole article, and of those readers, by comparing the time of the "page-2" pageview and correlating it with the Referrer and the cookie of the "page-1" view, you can make a guess as to how fast they read, and hazard a guess as to who's reading for content and who's just skimming. Which is frankly none of your farking business. (I wonder if, when analytics tools for sites with "printer-friendly" output come across my clicktrail, do they imagine I'm actually some doddering old executive with a hundred pages of dead-tree printed out per day?)

I loathe web "designers" who interrupt me while I'm reading-for-content by insisting on me stopping what I'm doing in order to navigate. The web is not print. The size of the scrollbar is more than sufficient to hint at the length of the article. Fark you, Mr. Plotz, and anyone who writes like you. 

/man, that came out way rantier than I expected.
//sounds better if you read it in the voice of one of the Warner brothers.
///or the Warner sister.
2012-10-02 01:27:47 PM
2 votes:
I really don't care that much about pagination, so long as it doesn't interfere with the
2012-10-02 10:19:47 AM
2 votes:
Bonus: The story has 2 pages.

/lulz
2012-10-02 09:51:00 AM
2 votes:
Maybe if they added some conditional logic that says, "Hmmm....Page 2 will only have two and half lines. Let's default to one page, then."
2012-10-02 08:06:18 PM
1 votes:
Mr. Ekshun
a plain text file with its file extension changed would display text and HTML1 or 2 was enough for images. She didn't believe me since I wasn't allowing for a doctype tag.

It's probably just the shortness of the explanation, but neither makes much sense to me (except the enough for images bit). Maybe you two should have gotten married. ;)

I'm starting to think these people don't actually know how to write a page.

As far as doctype tag and character encoding are concerned, almost all developers just use whatever their template contains as a default value without thinking too much about what they're going to write or what encoding their editor or system actually uses.
Not to mention that the system they're writing their things on might use something else than the webserver they're deploying to; added fun if parts of the page are loaded from a database server which has to match as well.

Thanks to the Umlaut characters it's rather obvious if you browse German websites; you often get ISO-8859-1 (probably Windows' default) labeled as UTF-8.

i.imgur.com 

/ will get that shirt someday:
2012-10-02 07:48:21 PM
1 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: Pocket Ninja: Whatever. Pagination is about creating an interactive experience. It allows the reader to actually participate in reading the page, rather than being a passive stooge just drooling at text scrolling by on the screen. In a nation where obesity is a growing epidemic, we should be doing everything we can to make innately passive activities as active as possible. I mean, why stop at pagination? A lot of articles use multiple pictures across each page of the article...why not turn those pictures into mini slideshows, so that after clicking to get to the new page, you click to see each picture, too?

And that's still just same-old same old. Why not explore *real* innovation. Like, who says the "next" button has to always be in the same place? Why not make finding it an adventure, something the engages the reader critically, creates the opportunity for some good old fashioned problem solving? We need to be developing critical thinking skills. Maybe each page in the article, or each picture, could have a clue as to where on the web page the reader might find the hidden button that will allow for the next page to be accessed. Think of the sense of achievement people will have after having successfully found them all! We're always talking about building self confidence; here's a real chance to do just that.

And why not use the web to help develop motor skills, too? Who says the buttons have to be static? Why not have them moving around the page, flickering and jumping around and maybe turning invisible for a while? So the readers have to play a reflex game to hit it after they find it?

Reading a web site doesn't have to be boring, in other words. It can be fun.

This is what you show up as:


Pocket Ninja [TotalFark]
2012-10-02 10:13:14 AM
(favorite: Poe's Law incarnate)


I have him as Frozen Concentrated Troll Juice.
2012-10-02 03:23:45 PM
1 votes:
I find pagination annoying sometimes (I'M LOOKING AT YOU, CRACKED, AND YOUR TWO-PAGE FIVE-ENTRY LISTS), but for the most part it just serves to remind me that hey, AdBlock is still working, so here's page two of your deliciously ad-free article!

Oh, what's that, FlashBlock? You kept that video from auto-playing? Why, thank you! I like you, too!
2012-10-02 02:36:34 PM
1 votes:
this is mother farking 2012 and I've had it with these mother farking paginations.
Pagination is what happens when you let people who are too stupid to be on the internet be on the internet.
/Adjusts onion.
Back in 1980, when there were like 5 of us on the internet on any given saturday night, someone mentioned how everyone would have access to the net in 20 years. I said, well, I hope they have a special place in hell for who enver opens those Gates.
Little did I know how close I was.
Anyway, here you are, and you saw how hard it was to kill Geocities.
You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, now, can you?
You have to let the kids eat at the big table, don't you?
What the hell, might as well let peopl with AOL accounts speak up, they're certainly the more brilliant amungst us.
Fark it.
If you see and article is paginated, just close the window.
They understand being ignored.
And if they don't, hell, they're probably print media masquarading as something they are not, and they are dying anyway.
Now excuse me. I have to go shoo some kids off my LAN.
2012-10-02 02:22:40 PM
1 votes:
I don't mind reasonable pagination. The problem is there is a lot of unreasonable pagination out there. They need to be more flexible. If, for instance, you set your pagination line at 1000 words per page and your article runs to 1100 words, and you put 100 words on the second page, you deserve to be shot.

(More Below the Line)

As a general ratio I'd suggest something like this (assuming that your page word 'limit' is 1000 words)

- Up to 1250 words, keep everything on one page
- Between 1251-1750 words, divide your words roughly evenly between two pages
- 1751 words up, divide words evenly, with a goal of keeping pages in that 751-1250 word per page range.

I don't worry about slide shows, because I'm going to hell because I'm an atheist (or so I'm told) and I figure I'll be on the level right above people who make slide shows. I'll get to defecate on them for all eternity, and while I know this will in no way even the scales, it still gives me some small measure of satisfaction.
2012-10-02 01:23:01 PM
1 votes:
We also need to see an end to the phrase "...after the jump."
2012-10-02 01:20:38 PM
1 votes:

Sybarite: I think they should try to replicate the experience of physically reading a newspaper, and the story should be continued on an entirely different website that's really hard to find.


The website should be unpleasant to touch after a shower, too.
2012-10-02 01:10:26 PM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: And why not use the web to help develop motor skills, too? Who says the buttons have to be static? Why not have them moving around the page, flickering and jumping around and maybe turning invisible for a while? So the readers have to play a reflex game to hit it after they find it?

Reading a web site doesn't have to be boring, in other words. It can be fun.


I remember banner ads that made me shoot something or whack something and I could enter to win a prize! I still haven't won anything (yet), but hey, I've lost like 2 pounds with all that extra clicking!
2012-10-02 10:12:35 AM
1 votes:

Pud: At least they had a single page option on their 6 page article about how paginating is a bad thing.

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You know how I know you didn't RTFA?
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-10-02 09:34:21 AM
1 votes:
From: Everybody who submits links from Boston news sources
To: Everybody who complained about how we submitted a six page story from the Boston Globe

The Boston Globe will show you a story in a single page if you arrive from the newspaper site, but when you come in from Fark the same story will appear in multiple page form.

So stop whining and learn to click, or direct your anger at the failing newspaper.
 
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