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2012-10-02 09:10:13 AM
2 votes:
Since we always demand this of Republicans, I'll come out and say it. These tactics are underhanded, unsavory, and wrong. Any votes won this way are votes that are undeserved.
2012-10-02 09:09:19 AM
2 votes:

xanadian: At least Democrats aren't resorting to tactics like, "if you voted in the primary, it counts for the general," or passing laws that disenfranchise white guys...

However: The phone banker making the call, which in this case went to a woman Hudson identifies as "the head of a pro-life committee at a parish I know" reportedly also asserted that "President Obama did not support abortion" and that Planned Parenthood "helps children get healthcare and prenatal care and does not promote abortion." In fact, the group is one of the nation's largest abortion providers.

Yeah, the phone banker is more full of shiat than a Christmas goose. Again, I loathe outright lies (although Planned Parenthood does BOTH: gets children healthcare AND does abortions).


They didn't say they don't do abortions, they said they don't promote abortions. Which they don't.
2012-10-02 09:07:08 AM
2 votes:
and that Planned Parenthood "helps children get healthcare and prenatal care and does not promote abortion." In fact, the group is one of the nation's largest abortion providers.

It's also the nation's largest abortion prevent-er.
2012-10-02 08:56:53 AM
2 votes:
Trollmitter headline: Robocalls to Catholics, "How can you support a Mormon?"

FTFA: links to an anecdote about an "Obama supporter" saying this over the phone to the caller.

From that article: "The head of a pro-life committee at a parish I know just received a call from the Obama campaign."

Okay, so not only is this not a robocall, but the linked anecdote cites a person seemingly okay with being in the public eye on the topics (head of a pro-life committee), but they can't cite their name?

Well, you've convinced me.
2012-10-02 03:17:24 PM
1 votes:
Next they should start calling black folks and informing them about the Mormon beliefs on how they are being punished by god for their sins.
2012-10-02 01:13:04 PM
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: Mr_Fabulous: I just want one person, one time, to ask Mitt Romney, live on primetime TV... Yes or no, do you believe God lives on Planet Kolob?

That's all I want. Is it really so unreasonable a question to ask?


The answer should be, "And while we are on this subject, can you ask the Pope where exactly Heaven is located on this picture of the Milky Way?"


The Catholic church doesn't maintain that Heaven is a physical location.
2012-10-02 12:19:39 PM
1 votes:

Jackson Herring: Carth: Jackson Herring: Weird, in Catholic high school I was taught that Mormons are a dangerous cult.

We were just taught that they weren't really Christians since they didn't believe in the virgin birth or that the father, son and holy spirit are the same entity.

Yeah we had an entire semester of Ecclesiology about cults, and the Mormons were one of them. So were the Masons too, oddly enough.


Joseph Smith adopted a lot of the Mason rituals when creating Mormonism.
2012-10-02 11:41:18 AM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Girion47: skullkrusher: Girion47: sprawl15: Girion47: Franciscans are smart like that.

They're also heretics. There's a reason Clement V and John XXII burned 'em.

The whole catholic church is heretical. The existence of the Vatican itself is heresy.

heresy to whom? You need an orthodoxy against which to be judged heretical. It's not the Eastern Orthodox church - they're structured in much the same way as the RC

Jesus would have blown a gasket over the opulence and distance at which the upper echelons of the church separate themselves from the poor and broken. Not to mention the mob ties, crusades, child abuse, political influence, etc...

You'll never meet a true christian living above the poverty level.

so that wouldn't be heresy, that would be sinfulness or failure to follow Jesus' teaching.


The Pope is infallible though, so what he says and does is considered holy by the church. It isn't a failure to follow, it's a direct contradiction with Jesus' teaching.
2012-10-02 11:18:37 AM
1 votes:

Mr_Fabulous: I just want one person, one time, to ask Mitt Romney, live on primetime TV... Yes or no, do you believe God lives on Planet Kolob?

That's all I want. Is it really so unreasonable a question to ask?


You can ask an equally silly question of any religion.

In any case, you are asking Romney the wrong religion-baiting question. The correct question is "Do you believe Jesus' mother, Mary, was a virgin". Mormons don't believe she was and this is a far more fundamental/sensitive subject than Kolob.
2012-10-02 11:02:43 AM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Girion47: sprawl15: Girion47: Franciscans are smart like that.

They're also heretics. There's a reason Clement V and John XXII burned 'em.

The whole catholic church is heretical. The existence of the Vatican itself is heresy.

heresy to whom? You need an orthodoxy against which to be judged heretical. It's not the Eastern Orthodox church - they're structured in much the same way as the RC


Jesus would have blown a gasket over the opulence and distance at which the upper echelons of the church separate themselves from the poor and broken. Not to mention the mob ties, crusades, child abuse, political influence, etc...

You'll never meet a true christian living above the poverty level.
2012-10-02 10:44:08 AM
1 votes:
Kolob.

A woman can't get into heaven unless her husband lets her in.

Black skin is a result of having not been "valiant" enough in the war in heaven.

Satan rules the water.

Mormon underwear protects from physical harm.

Passwords and secret handshakes to enter heaven.

Magic rocks in a hat.

The Garden of Eden was in Missouri.

Moon men.

Secret names.

Baptize all the dead, no matter what they believed.

Native Americans are descended from a lost tribe in Israel, and they came to this country thousands of years ago in wooden submarines.

Mary became pregnant with Jesus after God visited her in human form and had sex with her.

Jesus visited the Native Americans after his resurrection, en route to heaven.
2012-10-02 10:37:57 AM
1 votes:
St. Francis was always my favorite saint growing up...


www.turnbacktogod.com

"Look, I told you I'm all out of bread crumbs..."
2012-10-02 10:34:35 AM
1 votes:

Girion47: sprawl15: Girion47: Franciscans are smart like that.

They're also heretics. There's a reason Clement V and John XXII burned 'em.

The whole catholic church is heretical. The existence of the Vatican itself is heresy.


That's what the Franciscans yelled as they were burned alive.
2012-10-02 10:04:37 AM
1 votes:

Somacandra: But you never hear Catholics or Protestants telling the media that Egyptians Coptic aren't Christians.


Actually, until very recently, the Catholic position was that they weren't.

Or something like that. I'm not at all clear on what exactly the state was before, but in 1973, the Catholics and the Oriental Orthodox (of which Coptic Orthodox is a part) got together to say that they both seemed to be saying the same thing, except that they were using different phrasing. Catholics say Christ is of ``Two natures: fully God and fully man,'' while the Oriental Orthodox say he is of ``One nature: fully God and fully man.''

And thus, for 1500 years, the Catholics and the Oriental Orthodox couldn't be friends.
2012-10-02 10:04:28 AM
1 votes:
Religions are cults in the exact same way that cities are towns.
This does not "diminish the utility of language" in any meaningful way.
Rather, it reminds the reader that despite the difference in scale, they are fundamentally the same.
2012-10-02 10:01:10 AM
1 votes:
Penn Jillete's take on things

If you want the relevant bit, jump to about 4 mins in, but the whole thing is good. To summarize tho', it's only in semi-recent history that the word "Christian" came to overpower the individual sects of Christianity. Go back a few decades, and being a Catholic was just as "bad" (if not more so) to a Protestant as being, say, a Muslim or a Jew.

So yeah, back in those days, being a Mormon would have been a huge issue, and there's no way Mitt would be in this election. But thanks to them deciding to effectively band together, suddenly it's not a big deal, despite the fact that Mormonism is so crazy-out-there that they actually believe that "God" lives on a planet caled Kolob. If you were to talk to a Protestant/Catholic about Mormon beliefs, without mentioning first off they are a branch of Christianity, most of them would likely consider it heretical - at best.
2012-10-02 09:58:09 AM
1 votes:

sprawl15: Jackson Herring: Carth: Jackson Herring: Weird, in Catholic high school I was taught that Mormons are a dangerous cult.

We were just taught that they weren't really Christians since they didn't believe in the virgin birth or that the father, son and holy spirit are the same entity.

Yeah we had an entire semester of Ecclesiology about cults, and the Mormons were one of them. So were the Masons too, oddly enough.

And the Evolutionists.


My catholic high school taught Evolution as fact. Not I.D. not creationism, but straight up, no-nonsense evolution. Franciscans are smart like that.
2012-10-02 09:53:58 AM
1 votes:

Epoch_Zero: TheWhoppah: abb3w: [...] Mormons were a cult.

News Flash: Mormons are STILL a cult.

All religions are cults.


Stop that shiat. You can be dismissive of the people you dislike without deliberately diminishing the utility of language.
2012-10-02 09:53:37 AM
1 votes:

Somacandra: Carth: Somacandra: That's a new one--more common to liberal Protestants than Mormons. Gonna have to provide evidence for that.

Link

A famous aggressive ex-Mormon ministry citing Bruce McConkie, who was repudiated by the Church for exactly the stuff like this? Sorry. That's not evidence. You might as well cite Mitt Romney's website to describe Barack Obama's policies.


So are you saying the quotes by Brigham Young are not real? Or just not important?

" "The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood-was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers," (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 115).

Brigham Young also said, "Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 51).

Brigham Young said, "When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218)."
2012-10-02 09:50:19 AM
1 votes:

TheWhoppah: abb3w: [...] Mormons were a cult.

News Flash: Mormons are STILL a cult.


All religions are cults.
2012-10-02 09:45:47 AM
1 votes:

sprawl15: Jackson Herring: Carth: Jackson Herring: Weird, in Catholic high school I was taught that Mormons are a dangerous cult.

We were just taught that they weren't really Christians since they didn't believe in the virgin birth or that the father, son and holy spirit are the same entity.

Yeah we had an entire semester of Ecclesiology about cults, and the Mormons were one of them. So were the Masons too, oddly enough.

And the Evolutionists.


Wrong brand of Christian.

Catholics have no issues with science.

/well, at least evolution
2012-10-02 09:45:12 AM
1 votes:

abb3w: [...] Mormons were a cult.


News Flash: Mormons are STILL a cult.
2012-10-02 09:44:41 AM
1 votes:
This has the stink of urban legend. A friend of a friend told the author that something happened they they didn't bother to confirm.
2012-10-02 09:41:53 AM
1 votes:
Why exactly is "How can you support a Mormon?" a dirty trick when used against a Republican?
The GOP has been pushing religion as a voting issue since Nixon's so called "Moral Majority" days.
They nominate a guy with fringe beliefs and expect Democrats to rewind back to pre-1968 days?
After spending the last four years attacking the Democratic candidate on religious issues?!?!
You know what? fark you and your cult-freak candidate.
I hope Obama puts on a full-throttle anti-Mormon campaign that mocks the magic underwear, the "jewish" native americans and all the rest.
2012-10-02 09:36:51 AM
1 votes:
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2012-10-02 09:29:53 AM
1 votes:
"Our Church is under attack by the most liberal, pro-abortion leadership in history."

Shut up.
2012-10-02 09:24:51 AM
1 votes:
Sounds made up / calling shenanigans. Also, I'd really hope that no one would be dumb/asshole enough to do this.

But *if* you were dumb/asshole enough to do this, why target Catholics? Wouldn't Evangelicals be a better target for this type of douchebaggery?
2012-10-02 09:16:40 AM
1 votes:
Because, as my father reported after coming home from mass this weekend, they are being threatened with excommunication for voting Democrat.

He is *this* close to becoming a Recovering Catholic like me. He is so frustrated by the leadership of the church.
2012-10-02 09:08:19 AM
1 votes:

Carth: Jackson Herring: Weird, in Catholic high school I was taught that Mormons are a dangerous cult.

We were just taught that they weren't really Christians since they didn't believe in the virgin birth or that the father, son and holy spirit are the same entity.


Yeah we had an entire semester of Ecclesiology about cults, and the Mormons were one of them. So were the Masons too, oddly enough.
2012-10-02 09:06:44 AM
1 votes:
Hey that cult is different from ours!
2012-10-02 08:37:21 AM
1 votes:
Weird, in Catholic high school I was taught that Mormons are a dangerous cult.
 
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