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2012-10-02 08:08:28 AM
If it isnt a Macbook Air, no one gives a shiat about your ultrabook.

These things were doomed from the start. Not only did Apple have serious thunder, then came the tablet craze. Aint no one buying computers out there, but tablets are hot like a mofo
 
2012-10-02 10:16:14 AM
I bought an ultrabook in August, it's great.
 
2012-10-02 10:22:40 AM
I already have a tablet, but it's no replacement for a full-featured laptop.
 
2012-10-02 10:23:06 AM
I'm actually supposed to order a replacement machine of some sort this week for my work laptop, and I'm kind of stuck. I don't mobile device (laptop, tablet, smartphone) support for a university, and I need a machine that can help me with that. The choices are: Dell Latitude E6420/30s or maybe a Latitude 10 (which suck out loud, BTW), pretty much any Apple laptop (including an Air), or an HP 2760p. As much as I despise HP, I'm actually leaning toward the 2760p, just for the "tabletness" of it. Any suggestions?
 
2012-10-02 10:25:53 AM
Now in Book form!
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2012-10-02 10:27:32 AM
I'll wait for the Win8 ultrabook before making judgement.

Actually, I'd love to see Wacom get together with Asus and roll out a decent graphics editing tablet or tablet PC. Although I think I just realized a $100 accessory that could turn any tablet into a decent graphics tablet by providing a... no, I can't post that idea, I need to check with my patent attorney over dinner.
 
2012-10-02 10:27:50 AM

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: I'm actually supposed to order a replacement machine of some sort this week for my work laptop, and I'm kind of stuck. I don't mobile device (laptop, tablet, smartphone) support for a university, and I need a machine that can help me with that. The choices are: Dell Latitude E6420/30s or maybe a Latitude 10 (which suck out loud, BTW), pretty much any Apple laptop (including an Air), or an HP 2760p. As much as I despise HP, I'm actually leaning toward the 2760p, just for the "tabletness" of it. Any suggestions?


HP all the way for any sort of laptop.
 
2012-10-02 10:36:33 AM
You can take my Acer Aspire One Netbook, I call it "NyetBuk," from my cold dead hand. 

images.amazon.com
 
2012-10-02 10:37:50 AM

Bukharin: You can take my Acer Aspire One Netbook, I call it "NyetBuk," from my cold dead hand. 

[images.amazon.com image 400x285]


I thought Netbook != Ultrabook
 
2012-10-02 10:44:23 AM

Bukharin: You can take my Acer Aspire One Netbook, I call it "NyetBuk," from my cold dead hand. 

[images.amazon.com image 400x285]


AO756 for the win. I have one.
 
2012-10-02 10:44:36 AM

Smoky Dragon Dish: I thought Netbook != Ultrabook


It doesnt.
But because of NyetBuk, I wont be getting an ultrabook or a tablet anytime soon.
VERY happy with NyetBuk. It plays all mt favourite old DOS games, and with some settings tweeks, I can play beefy games like CIV4 too.
 
2012-10-02 10:45:32 AM

Bukharin: You can take my Acer Aspire One Netbook, I call it "NyetBuk," from my cold dead hand. 

[images.amazon.com image 400x285]


My wife loves hers, and to be honest, for 99% of what most people do, it's great. Also, it's easier to type on it than it is with a tablet.
 
2012-10-02 10:46:51 AM

Optimal_Illusion: Now in Book form!
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SUUUUWATCHHHHHH!

I have the entire first series on DVD. It holds up surprisingly well, certainly much better than Johnny Sokko (Giant Robo).
 
2012-10-02 10:48:22 AM

cman: then came the tablet craze. Aint no one buying computers out there, but tablets are hot like a mofo


about 10% of my students take their class notes on ipads with physical keyboards. makes sense because it's way lighter than a notebook and more useful than those crappy tiny laptops ("netbooks?").

if i were in college, i could see myself buying an ipad and a bluetooth keyboard, which would cover about 75% of what I use a laptop for.

It's just that last 25% that's the kicker.

/macbook airs are pretty sweet though
 
2012-10-02 10:50:04 AM

cman: If it isnt a Macbook Air, no one gives a shiat about your ultrabook.


I have a Macbook air, and wish I had anything but. Windows 7 is a superior OS. Get over it.
 
2012-10-02 10:50:11 AM

cman: If it isnt a Macbook Air, no one gives a shiat about your ultrabook.


Yep. But chuck the god-awful Mountain Lion. MacBook Air + Bootcamp + Win 7 Pro 64 = Ultrabook gloriosity.
 
2012-10-02 10:50:29 AM

dittybopper: Also, it's easier to type on it than it is with a tablet.


Oh, yeah. I pretty much need a real keyboard, both on my phone and on my Nyetbuk.

Although, I am super-interested in a PadPhone.

img.hexus.netandroidandme.com
 
2012-10-02 10:50:36 AM

Tax Boy: about 10% of my students take their class notes on ipads with physical keyboards. makes sense because it's way lighter than a notebook and more useful than those crappy tiny laptops ("netbooks?").


More useful how? Name something an iPad can do that a netbook can't do.
 
2012-10-02 10:50:46 AM

H31N0US: cman: If it isnt a Macbook Air, no one gives a shiat about your ultrabook.

I have a Macbook air, and wish I had anything but. Windows 7 is a superior OS. Get over it.


The password is .... "Bootcamp".
 
2012-10-02 10:52:03 AM

Bukharin: dittybopper: Also, it's easier to type on it than it is with a tablet.

Oh, yeah. I pretty much need a real keyboard, both on my phone and on my Nyetbuk.

Although, I am super-interested in a PadPhone.

[img.hexus.net image 500x376][androidandme.com image 630x364]


I like the concept. I also like how cheap netbooks are....
 
2012-10-02 10:52:22 AM

H31N0US: I have a Macbook air, and wish I had anything but. Windows 7 is a superior OS. Get over it.


Gosh, if only you could run any OS you wanted on that Macbook Air... But I guess it's just not possible. You better throw it out and tell everyone where.
 
2012-10-02 10:56:20 AM

dittybopper: I like the concept. I also like how cheap netbooks are....


Oh, I understand cheap. But it would be nice to have the full phone integration that a netbook cant do.
And, when traveling, I assume I could charge the phone while it was inside the tablet, 2 for 1.
Sometimes convenience is worth the price.
 
2012-10-02 10:58:02 AM

dittybopper: Tax Boy: about 10% of my students take their class notes on ipads with physical keyboards. makes sense because it's way lighter than a notebook and more useful than those crappy tiny laptops ("netbooks?").

More useful how? Name something an iPad can do that a netbook can't do.


* be able to type on with manly fingers instead of on those awful 75%-sized tiny keyboards that most of those netbooks seem to have.

* have a screen bigger than a postage stamp
 
2012-10-02 10:58:52 AM
SOON....

Asus to launch the Padfone 2 on October 16
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/asus-padfone-2-launch-october-16 /
 
2012-10-02 11:01:27 AM

Bukharin: dittybopper: I like the concept. I also like how cheap netbooks are....

Oh, I understand cheap. But it would be nice to have the full phone integration that a netbook cant do.
And, when traveling, I assume I could charge the phone while it was inside the tablet, 2 for 1.
Sometimes convenience is worth the price.


True, to a point.

If I have a separate phone and computer, and one of them breaks, I still have the other. If they were integrated into one unit, and that unit broke, I have zero capability, instead of just partial capability. Having had stuff break on me in the past, I just like having the safety that separate devices tends to afford.

That's why I don't have a "DC to Daylight" ham radio rig, I have separate HF, VHF, and UHF rigs. If any one of them breaks, it doesn't affect my ability to use the others.
 
2012-10-02 11:02:13 AM

dittybopper: Tax Boy: about 10% of my students take their class notes on ipads with physical keyboards. makes sense because it's way lighter than a notebook and more useful than those crappy tiny laptops ("netbooks?").

More useful how? Name something an iPad can do that a netbook can't do.


Let you draw directly on the screen to sketch a figure?

That said, I wouldn't actually use one in a class where you need a lot of formulas or sketching. But, in one where notes are mostly text, I think it'd be great - you have a full screen super fast writing application, with no distractions. You don't have to constantly fight Word's auto corrections or attempts to reformat everything to be "helpful", you don't have pop-ups from other apps, etc. It's all of the focus of a typewriter with all the functionality of a word processor.
 
2012-10-02 11:03:09 AM

Bukharin: Smoky Dragon Dish: I thought Netbook != Ultrabook

It doesnt.
But because of NyetBuk, I wont be getting an ultrabook or a tablet anytime soon.
VERY happy with NyetBuk. It plays all mt favourite old DOS games, and with some settings tweeks, I can play beefy games like CIV4 too.


Ah, OK. I dig it...
 
2012-10-02 11:06:10 AM

Tax Boy: dittybopper: Tax Boy: about 10% of my students take their class notes on ipads with physical keyboards. makes sense because it's way lighter than a notebook and more useful than those crappy tiny laptops ("netbooks?").

More useful how? Name something an iPad can do that a netbook can't do.

* be able to type on with manly fingers instead of on those awful 75%-sized tiny keyboards that most of those netbooks seem to have.


You can always plug in a bigger keyboard if you need to. I actually do that with a mouse: I hate those finger-pad controller thingies.

* have a screen bigger than a postage stamp


My wife's netbook has a 10.1" screen, actually a shade larger than an iPad.
 
2012-10-02 11:12:52 AM

H31N0US: I have a Macbook air, and wish I had anything but. Windows 7 is a superior OS. Get over it.


Not for me. For what I'm doing daily OS X > Linux >>> Windows. But then again I'm doing human genomics work and lots of programming. A full Unix environment + being able to use MS Office + a better GUI environment and software support than Linux is pretty crucial. But I'm constantly in a mixed environment, my workstation, servers, and clusters are all Linux but they are mostly used for simply running jobs.
 
2012-10-02 11:15:19 AM

dittybopper: More useful how? Name something an iPad can do that a netbook can't do.


Rat you out with a GPS log of your travels when you sync iTunes?
 
2012-10-02 11:16:13 AM
Acer AO756 . 11.6" LED screen. Dual core based on Intel I3 is super fast. Sandy Bridge about 1500 passmark. 3 pounds. 1.1″ x 11.2″ x 8.0" Windows 7 64 bit. Easy to upgrade RAM or drive, one screw opens the entire back. Goes on sale at Best Buy for $250. For best results get the 4GB version or buy 4GB and put it in. I put a $100 SSD in mine. Even if you upgrade the RAM to 8GB and put in an SSD you are still half the price of the Macbook.

Compare to Macbook Air.
 
2012-10-02 11:24:49 AM
I can't remember what my ThinkPad qualifies as, but I got it last Christmas and it was worth the $500. It is portable and it works wonderfully.
 
2012-10-02 11:32:35 AM

Theaetetus: dittybopper: Tax Boy: about 10% of my students take their class notes on ipads with physical keyboards. makes sense because it's way lighter than a notebook and more useful than those crappy tiny laptops ("netbooks?").

More useful how? Name something an iPad can do that a netbook can't do.

Let you draw directly on the screen to sketch a figure?

That said, I wouldn't actually use one in a class where you need a lot of formulas or sketching. But, in one where notes are mostly text, I think it'd be great - you have a full screen super fast writing application, with no distractions. You don't have to constantly fight Word's auto corrections or attempts to reformat everything to be "helpful", you don't have pop-ups from other apps, etc. It's all of the focus of a typewriter with all the functionality of a word processor.


I'm not sure if having a keyboard connected disables it, but the iPad has its own autocorrect that is actually more annoying than Word when it comes to replacing words as you are typing, and it doesn't have nearly the amount of autocorrect customization Word does (you can pretty much tweak any annoyance away in the settings).

Not to mention that iOS is a hell of a lot more distracting than Windows now when it comes to pop up notifications. Sure, you can turn off the pop ups from the Notification Center, but you'll potentially lose some useful notifications in the process. As typically configured, however, an iPad is distracting as hell, especially if you have social network accounts attached to it.

Also,
 
2012-10-02 11:34:28 AM
Ignore that last Also. Edit fail.
 
2012-10-02 11:47:50 AM

DjangoStonereaver: Edward Rooney Dean of Students: I'm actually supposed to order a replacement machine of some sort this week for my work laptop, and I'm kind of stuck. I don't mobile device (laptop, tablet, smartphone) support for a university, and I need a machine that can help me with that. The choices are: Dell Latitude E6420/30s or maybe a Latitude 10 (which suck out loud, BTW), pretty much any Apple laptop (including an Air), or an HP 2760p. As much as I despise HP, I'm actually leaning toward the 2760p, just for the "tabletness" of it. Any suggestions?

HP all the way for any sort of laptop.


LOL!

+1 for making me laugh out loud.
 
kab
2012-10-02 11:49:31 AM
This article is further proof that folks who use "no one" when it's not applicable should be punched in the throat.
 
2012-10-02 12:00:57 PM

mcreadyblue: DjangoStonereaver: Edward Rooney Dean of Students: I'm actually supposed to order a replacement machine of some sort this week for my work laptop, and I'm kind of stuck. I don't mobile device (laptop, tablet, smartphone) support for a university, and I need a machine that can help me with that. The choices are: Dell Latitude E6420/30s or maybe a Latitude 10 (which suck out loud, BTW), pretty much any Apple laptop (including an Air), or an HP 2760p. As much as I despise HP, I'm actually leaning toward the 2760p, just for the "tabletness" of it. Any suggestions?

HP all the way for any sort of laptop.

LOL!

+1 for making me laugh out loud.


I'm not trolling.

My mother and mother in law have had Pavillions for 5+ years without a hitch, and I've got one
as well (a flea market find, no less). Before that, I had a Compaq Presario (which is basically an HP
laptop) which ran Ubuntu just as well.

My mom's ran vista for 3 years without a hitch and upgraded to Win7 painlessly except for not having
the drivers for the onboard card reader (which she doesn't use anyway). My own Pavillion runs
Linux Mint Debian Edition XFCE seamlessly, and every Linux distro I've loaded on HP laptops has
always run flawlessly with zero hardware or driver glitches.

This is very much in contrast with the Dells I have worked with at my job, which crapped out on a lot
of Linux distros for no readily apparent reason and which have been plagued with all sorts of little
oddities under Windows XP.

A lot of people like to slag HP, but I think you're just trolling for its own sake. I have never had a bad
experience with any HP hardware, either computers or printers.
 
2012-10-02 12:02:48 PM

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: Any suggestions?


Any particular reason you aren't looking at a Thinkpad? Thinkpads are tanks.
 
2012-10-02 12:10:20 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: Any particular reason you aren't looking at a Thinkpad? Thinkpads are tanks.


It's not one of our "standards".

/Which are SINOs (standards in name only) if you're anybody but our office.
 
2012-10-02 12:29:40 PM

dittybopper: Tax Boy: about 10% of my students take their class notes on ipads with physical keyboards. makes sense because it's way lighter than a notebook and more useful than those crappy tiny laptops ("netbooks?").

More useful how? Name something an iPad can do that a netbook can't do.


Make you fit in with the other hipsters at Starbucks.
 
2012-10-02 12:49:39 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: dittybopper: Tax Boy: about 10% of my students take their class notes on ipads with physical keyboards. makes sense because it's way lighter than a notebook and more useful than those crappy tiny laptops ("netbooks?").

More useful how? Name something an iPad can do that a netbook can't do.

Make you fit in with the other hipsters at Starbucks.


Play 3d video games.

Seriously, netbooks have the shiattiest graphics processors while the iPad has one of the best mobile GPUs on the market today
 
2012-10-02 01:02:28 PM

H31N0US: cman: If it isnt a Macbook Air, no one gives a shiat about your ultrabook.

I have a Macbook air, and wish I had anything but. Windows 7 is a superior OS. Get over it.


Oh how novel! A fanboi in a tech thread!

Tell us more about the object of your affection!
 
2012-10-02 01:05:55 PM
Everyone knows Desktops are the best.
The End.

/If I could bring my Desktop to Class I would
 
2012-10-02 01:07:39 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: dittybopper: Tax Boy: about 10% of my students take their class notes on ipads with physical keyboards. makes sense because it's way lighter than a notebook and more useful than those crappy tiny laptops ("netbooks?").

More useful how? Name something an iPad can do that a netbook can't do.

Make you fit in with the other hipsters at Starbucks.


I can out-hipster them:

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-02 01:09:26 PM

cman: Play 3d video games.

Seriously, netbooks have the shiattiest graphics processors while the iPad has one of the best mobile GPUs on the market today


Oh, so it's a better at being a toy. Noted.
 
2012-10-02 01:11:27 PM

H31N0US: I have a Macbook air, and wish I had anything but. Windows 7 is a superior OS. Get over it.


If you actually believed that, you wouldn't have a Macbook air in the first place. And frankly, nobody believes that.

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: I'm actually supposed to order a replacement machine of some sort this week for my work laptop, and I'm kind of stuck. I don't mobile device (laptop, tablet, smartphone) support for a university, and I need a machine that can help me with that. The choices are: Dell Latitude E6420/30s or maybe a Latitude 10 (which suck out loud, BTW), pretty much any Apple laptop (including an Air), or an HP 2760p. As much as I despise HP, I'm actually leaning toward the 2760p, just for the "tabletness" of it. Any suggestions?


Your second sentence doesn't make sense to me- I presume it meant to say that you do mobile device support, not don't. I can't see how notebook selection will impact that. While you didn't specify what mobile platforms you might be supporting, Apple, Google, Windows, and RIM are all platform independent on the support and backend tool side (with the exception of BES, which you wouldn't be running locally anyways).

For commercial class notebooks, I always recommend tier 1- Lenovo, HP, Dell, Apple. Most of the hardware is comparable, but the key is the number in the field and quality of support. If you're in the windows world, Lenovo and HP would be my recommendations, Lenovo if you need more variability on the horsepower or are doing something higher end, and HP if you're looking for a workhorse but are doing pretty standard stuff.

In no case should you buy retail grade, even from HP or Lenovo. Stuff available at Best Buy and the like is designed to have a zillion features stuffed in and meet a price point. In order to do so, the quality and warranty is invariably shiat. They look good on paper, but for anyone that needs their technology reliable (which, quite frankly, is everyone), steer clear.

I'm also always prone to recommend Apple where it is an option, but in an institutional environment, there may well be backend systems that rely on being in a windows world (such as IE and sharepoint).
 
2012-10-02 01:15:24 PM

dittybopper: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: dittybopper: Tax Boy: about 10% of my students take their class notes on ipads with physical keyboards. makes sense because it's way lighter than a notebook and more useful than those crappy tiny laptops ("netbooks?").

More useful how? Name something an iPad can do that a netbook can't do.

Make you fit in with the other hipsters at Starbucks.

I can out-hipster them:

[i47.tinypic.com image 639x373]


I bow before your superior hipness.
 
2012-10-02 01:22:47 PM

H31N0US: cman: If it isnt a Macbook Air, no one gives a shiat about your ultrabook.

I have a Macbook air, and wish I had anything but. Windows 7 is a superior OS. Get over it.


I have a Macbook Pro, and I also use Windows 7 with Parallels. I find both to be useful. I would not go so far as to proclaim one more superior then the other. I prefer to spend more time in OS X, but there are some applications I use that are Windows specific, so I switch back and forth as needed.
 
2012-10-02 01:42:45 PM

dittybopper: Tax Boy: about 10% of my students take their class notes on ipads with physical keyboards. makes sense because it's way lighter than a notebook and more useful than those crappy tiny laptops ("netbooks?").

More useful how? Name something an iPad can do that a netbook can't do.


Play HD-quality H.264 video without it looking like a slideshow, thanks to the hardware decode built into modern ARM chips?

Hell, with the older netbooks I used to own that had the crappy first-gen single-core Intel Atom chipsets, even Hulu would bring the computer to its knees. Maybe Linux is better, but Win XP and Win 7 both sucked balls on the Atoms for anything more than basic office tasks. My wife sold her Aspire One, bought an iPad, and never looked back.
 
2012-10-02 01:45:59 PM
I went the opposite direction of "ultrabook" - I got an Alienware 17" laptop. It's got more RAM than most of the servers I work with, and with the SSD it goes power off to Windows desktop in 22 seconds.

/heavy as anything
//no wonder they call it "desktop replacement"
 
2012-10-02 01:53:30 PM
What about dynabooks?

history-computer.com
 
2012-10-02 01:54:20 PM

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: I'm actually supposed to order a replacement machine of some sort this week for my work laptop, and I'm kind of stuck. I don't mobile device (laptop, tablet, smartphone) support for a university, and I need a machine that can help me with that. The choices are: Dell Latitude E6420/30s or maybe a Latitude 10 (which suck out loud, BTW), pretty much any Apple laptop (including an Air), or an HP 2760p. As much as I despise HP, I'm actually leaning toward the 2760p, just for the "tabletness" of it. Any suggestions?


MacBook Pro with 8GB RAM, then run both OS X and Windows on it. If you're doing mobile device support you're probably going to want both environments.
 
2012-10-02 01:58:53 PM

BretMavrik: MacBook Pro with 8GB RAM, then run both OS X and Windows on it. If you're doing mobile device support you're probably going to want both environments.


And that was my other thought. I've been doing this (mobile device support ) a long time, and like everything else it goes through phases. Just trying to plan ahead (we're on a 4 year replacement schedule). I've got to balance faculty/staff support with the huge variety of random stuff the students bring (that's right, i support BOTH). Since I can't have 5 different machines, I'm trying to find the best middle ground. In all honesty, it probably doesn't really matter.
 
2012-10-02 02:06:48 PM

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: In all honesty, it probably doesn't really matter.


Probably not, but if you need to support Macs it's probably best to get a Mac. I run a Mac Pro with 8 GB RAM, and Virtual Boxes running Windows 7 and Ubuntu. It's easy to install Windows as a virtual machine on a Mac; installing Mac OS in a VM on a Windows machine; not so much.
 
2012-10-02 02:15:13 PM

flaminio: Edward Rooney Dean of Students: In all honesty, it probably doesn't really matter.

Probably not, but if you need to support Macs it's probably best to get a Mac. I run a Mac Pro with 8 GB RAM, and Virtual Boxes running Windows 7 and Ubuntu. It's easy to install Windows as a virtual machine on a Mac; installing Mac OS in a VM on a Windows machine; not so much.


Hackintosh my son, hackintosh
 
2012-10-02 02:21:42 PM
I see there's a lot of derp in this thread... tablet =/= netbook =/= ultra book.

The iPad is a tablet. (though we used to call that form factor a slate)
A netbook is a super small but also not very powerful laptop
An ultra book is a netbook with powerful hardware.

Ultra books are the future for the simple reason that there's no reason for most of us to lug around a giant, thick laptop anymore. The hardware is small enough, fast enough, cool enough, efficient enough that it doesn't really need to take up much space.
 
2012-10-02 02:27:52 PM
When I was little - only nerds had computers.
When I'm old - only nerds will have computers.

For a brief time, regular folk figured out that computers could do cool stuff. But they don't want to have a computer - they just want to look at cats on YouTube or whatever. And that's totally cool. They'll love their tablets and phones.

But I am getting tired of people (particularly writers) who forget this and proclaim the DEATH OF THE DESKTOP or the END OF THE ULTRABOOK because people are buying other electronics. These things won't end, they'll just fall back outside the limits of 'mainstream'. Thousands of computer nerds should be glad that, in the near future, they won't have to clean the spyware off their relatives/in-laws computers. Non-nerds will compute within strictly defined walled gardens called 'App Stores' and they'll like it better too.

But desktops won't go away.
Ultrabooks won't go away.
Laptops won't go away.

Nerds will still use them.
Nerds will still pay a lot of money to have them.

//Commutes 2 hours a day with an Ultrabook.
 
kab
2012-10-02 02:37:23 PM

zarberg: I went the opposite direction of "ultrabook" - I got an Alienware 17" laptop. It's got more RAM than most of the servers I work with, and with the SSD it goes power off to Windows desktop in 22 seconds.

/heavy as anything
//no wonder they call it "desktop replacement"


I have one of the Toshiba Qosmio laptop / desktop replacement deals, when they were shipping with 18.7" screens. Makes me laugh every time someone complains about the weight of tablets, etc.

/does everything I need it to, really.
//next upgrade will be another home-built desktop machine, however.
 
2012-10-02 02:37:58 PM

H31N0US: cman: If it isnt a Macbook Air, no one gives a shiat about your ultrabook.

I have a Macbook air, and wish I had anything but. Windows 7 is a superior OS. Get over it.


You can run Win7 on a Macbook Air...
 
2012-10-02 02:38:57 PM
DNRTFA, but I'm assuming the real problem with ultrabooks is the same problem high-end Android tables suffer from - the only company that can charge Apple-level prices is Apple. Most buyers just don't value portability and style enough to pay twice as much for an ultrabook compared to a similarly-speced conventional laptop. If anyone could manufacture a true ultrabook at $599 list it would be a big seller.
 
2012-10-02 02:45:32 PM

Tax Boy: cman: then came the tablet craze. Aint no one buying computers out there, but tablets are hot like a mofo

about 10% of my students take their class notes on ipads with physical keyboards. makes sense because it's way lighter than a notebook and more useful than those crappy tiny laptops ("netbooks?").

if i were in college, i could see myself buying an ipad and a bluetooth keyboard, which would cover about 75% of what I use a laptop for.

It's just that last 25% that's the kicker.

/macbook airs are pretty sweet though


That's what I did. I even did remote desktop so I could basically carry around a wireless monitor to my more powerful PC at home that ran Visual Studio for my CS classes. It weighed less than some of my class folders and I only brought the charger with me when I knew it was going to be a really long day.
 
2012-10-02 02:52:04 PM

Theaetetus: dittybopper: Tax Boy: about 10% of my students take their class notes on ipads with physical keyboards. makes sense because it's way lighter than a notebook and more useful than those crappy tiny laptops ("netbooks?").

More useful how? Name something an iPad can do that a netbook can't do.

Let you draw directly on the screen to sketch a figure?

That said, I wouldn't actually use one in a class where you need a lot of formulas or sketching. But, in one where notes are mostly text, I think it'd be great - you have a full screen super fast writing application, with no distractions. You don't have to constantly fight Word's auto corrections or attempts to reformat everything to be "helpful", you don't have pop-ups from other apps, etc. It's all of the focus of a typewriter with all the functionality of a word processor.


There are some pretty good note-taking apps out but formulas can be hard on anything but paper.
 
2012-10-02 02:58:24 PM
Article fails by claiming all "ultrabooks" are selling poorly. The MacBook Air is selling quite well.
 
2012-10-02 03:17:25 PM
Before buying a MacBook Air I looked at the other "ultrabooks" but they were cheaply made and cost MORE than a MacBook Air.

If you want to compete with Apple, you gotta step up your game.
 
2012-10-02 04:23:16 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: DNRTFA, but I'm assuming the real problem with ultrabooks is the same problem high-end Android tables suffer from - the only company that can charge Apple-level prices is Apple. Most buyers just don't value portability and style enough to pay twice as much for an ultrabook compared to a similarly-speced conventional laptop. If anyone could manufacture a true ultrabook at $599 list it would be a big seller.


I didn't RTFA either, but as my mother is looking at getting a laptop, I've been looking at ultrabooks and the like. She's decided against an iPad due to the fact that she got a Kindle Fire as a present for mother's day. (So she's got the tablet form factor covered.) She's already said that she's not sure she wants to spend the amount needed to get a Macbook or MacBook Air. Her statement was that she's seen cheaper laptops out there. Though as she wants something in the 13.3" to 11.6" range for laptops, I've pointed out that for that form-factor, the price-point is pretty much set at right around $1000. Yes, there are some sales that go on where it drops to $750 - $900, but those tend to be far and few between. I actively keep an eye out for the sales, (logic buy and deals.woot.com) but they aren't too frequent. Why an ultrabook form-factor? She's 62 and doesn't really want (or need) to be lugging around a 15.6 lb laptop. She's comfortable with the 13.3" to 11.6" size and weight.
What's the point of the wall of text above? While my mother may have slightly higher "wants" in a laptop, (as mentioned in a post above) the iPad, Kindle, etc have shown that you can have decent computing power in a small and light form factor. The Macbook Air only server to re-enforce this. Intel saw this and that reason played into their offering a reward for making an ultrabook at the $1000 proce-point.
 
2012-10-02 05:19:36 PM
We've been in the market for a laptop or tablet for my wife for several months now, and I know what I want, but I can't find it anywhere.

At work, we use Panasonic toughbooks for our patient reports, and they are awesome. Here's what I like about it: runs Win 7 w/SSD, touchscreen AND keyboard, and the screen swivels around to lie flat. Basically, a real computer laptop that transforms into a thick tablet.

I want a less-rugged civilian version. It doesn't need to be able to survive the Sahara or the jungle, but it would be nice to have those features for less than a grand. Any ideas, or do we need to start a Fark computer company?
 
2012-10-02 05:33:09 PM

solaufein: I didn't RTFA either, but as my mother is looking at getting a laptop, I've been looking at ultrabooks and the like. She's decided against an iPad due to the fact that she got a Kindle Fire as a present for mother's day. (So she's got the tablet form factor covered.) She's already said that she's not sure she wants to spend the amount needed to get a Macbook or MacBook Air. Her statement was that she's seen cheaper laptops out there. Though as she wants something in the 13.3" to 11.6" range for laptops, I've pointed out that for that form-factor, the price-point is pretty much set at right around $1000. Yes, there are some sales that go on where it drops to $750 - $900, but those tend to be far and few between. I actively keep an eye out for the sales, (logic buy and deals.woot.com) but they aren't too frequent. Why an ultrabook form-factor? She's 62 and doesn't really want (or need) to be lugging around a 15.6 lb laptop. She's comfortable with the 13.3" to 11.6" size and weight.
What's the point of the wall of text above? While my mother may have slightly higher "wants" in a laptop, (as mentioned in a post above) the iPad, Kindle, etc have shown that you can have decent computing power in a small and light form factor. The Macbook Air only server to re-enforce this. Intel saw this and that reason played into their offering a reward for making an ultrabook at the $1000 proce-point.


I bought my daughter an Inspiron 14z a few months ago as her high school graduation present. It's a nice machine: thin and light, 14" screen, comfortable keyboard, aluminum cladding on the top and around the keyboard, i5 processor, 6GB of RAM, 6-cell battery with good battery life. I saw one on Fatwallet.com for $499 a few days ago; they're also available regularly at the Dell Outlet (if your Mom's OK with a refurb).
 
2012-10-02 06:02:30 PM

werekoala: I want a less-rugged civilian version. It doesn't need to be able to survive the Sahara or the jungle, but it would be nice to have those features for less than a grand. Any ideas, or do we need to start a Fark computer company?


Thinking of something like this? This one isn't ruggedized, but several manufacturers are releasing hybrid devices to take advantage of Win 8's touch capability (or to compensate for Win 8's shortcomings as a desktop OS :) ).
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2012-10-02 06:25:19 PM

zarberg: I went the opposite direction of "ultrabook" - I got an Alienware 17" laptop. It's got more RAM than most of the servers I work with, and with the SSD it goes power off to Windows desktop in 22 seconds.

/heavy as anything
//no wonder they call it "desktop replacement"


Same here, but with a Dell XPS 17 (l702x). I've always had Dell laptops and never had any major problems that weren't fixed in a timely manner. In fact, I've had very good experiences with Dell tech support (both next-day "in home" repairs and overnight-shipping mail repairs). Sure, stuff breaks, but almost all laptops have something that breaks with use, especially when one is as "abusive" as I am (I don't treat them like fragile sand dollars).

I do have an HTPC desktop for the living room, but the laptop is my primary computer. Honestly, I'm not sure how I could go back to a 15" laptop now after using the 17" for about a year. I love the extra real estate (both screen and keyboard), and the extra weight isn't unbearable in my backpack. In addition, it's very fast (quad-core i7, SSD, upgrading soon to 16 GB RAM, etc.), so, since I don't really do any gaming, it's almost just as good as a desktop for me (save more expensive, obviously).

Since I do have this 17" lappy, I have a craving for a tablet, something smaller that's easy to carry and have great battery life. My wife has a last-gen iPad that I occasionally use (bought previous-gen and refurbished because I cannot see spending $500 on a tablet of which I was unsure how much use it would get), but I wouldn't mind my own tablet in the
 
2012-10-02 09:02:38 PM
I'm reading this thread on my ultrabook, so I'm getting a kick ...
 
2012-10-02 09:21:45 PM
Intel has spent oodles of money marketing ultrabooks, but the effort is falling flat so far. Consumers are opting for shiny new smartphones and tablets instead of notebooks.

No, consumers aren't opting for smartphones and tablets instead of notebooks. It's a different sort of device, like how a George Foreman Grill is a separate device from your cooker. People don't buy a George Foreman Grill instead of a cooker. They already have a cooker and are buying a George Foreman Grill as an additional device.

I use my phone when I'm in my lounge sometimes just to check the Movies on TV website. I don't have to get up, it's always on. As that's the sort of thing that iPads seem to be used for, I can't see the value of paying £300+ just to get it in 10" size, especially as it won't fit in my pocket, but that's how these devices are being used.

You want a computer that's going to be used to earn you money? You're probably going to still need a laptop, whatever the "end of the PC era" douchebags tell you. Every iPad fan that I know still has a laptop.
 
2012-10-04 03:54:40 PM

werekoala: We've been in the market for a laptop or tablet for my wife for several months now, and I know what I want, but I can't find it anywhere.

At work, we use Panasonic toughbooks for our patient reports, and they are awesome. Here's what I like about it: runs Win 7 w/SSD, touchscreen AND keyboard, and the screen swivels around to lie flat. Basically, a real computer laptop that transforms into a thick tablet.

I want a less-rugged civilian version. It doesn't need to be able to survive the Sahara or the jungle, but it would be nice to have those features for less than a grand. Any ideas, or do we need to start a Fark computer company?


Easy. Get a used 2-year-old Thinkpad (X201-tablet maybe) with what you're looking for off fleaBay for $600-ish. Or $800-ish if you want a previous-generation Toughbook. Yeah, it's a two year old machine with only 4gigs of ram. It'll run Win7 fine. It'll play video fine. It'll do what you need.
 
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