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(Chronicle Herald)   Actual Canadian headline: 'What to do if you hear gunfire.' Find cover surprisingly absent from the list   (thechronicleherald.ca) divider line 67
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2012-10-02 11:08:41 AM

yet_another_wumpus: tallen702: I, in turn, have thanked him for blasting the damned skunk that was wandering around. 12ga 000-buck = no more skunk.

Just how far away from everything do you have to bait a skunk before it is safe to shoot? A fine mist of skunk doesn't seem to be an improvement. 

/No, I don't think Canada has to worry about an invasion of the Nobama crew come November (no matter how much they threaten).
//Not even Alberta.


Well, given it's a 12ga with 000-buck, you've got a touch more distance than commonly assumed. I'd say our neighbor was about 75 feet away from the skunk. Remember, 000-buck is like shooting 6 9mm rounds, it doesn't atomize things so much as make them very, very dead.
 
2012-10-02 11:14:30 AM

C_Canuk:
This is harsh because it basically boils down to, someone accused you of something, so you can either let us search your belongings and look for a crime OR we make you a prisoner of your own home until we get a warrant and do it anyway.

I don't see an alternative for Leos called out for this crap based on the law but this seems like a Kafkaesque situation, based on laws put into place out of irrational fears.


I agree. When the police do this for offences they need to have reasonable grounds, which is a pretty heavy burden. We'd pretty much have to know going in that we're going to find something bad enough to warrant (heh) entering someone's house. Detaining the house, but not the people inside it, can be seen as reasonable to stop that kind of offence. I would hope that the thing your bad guy is allegedly doing is more serious than a simple unsafe storage or an expired PAL.

A firearms inspector needs reasonable grounds too, but the list of what they could believe based on these grounds is pretty broad: He needs only to believe that there is a gun collection, more than ten guns, more than zero prohibited guns or that there's any sort of record relating to a business that deals in guns. Your ordinary homeowner with a few rifles and restricted handguns isn't on that list so the inspector can't just march in and start demanding keys to the safe unless they're already doing something else wrong.

Both cops and firearms inspectors also have no-warrant privileges but only under exigent circumstances and god help you if that "exigent circumstance" is a rumour from a neighbour that Ole Jim has a loaded blunderbuss in a hockey bag under the stairs.
 
2012-10-02 11:36:53 AM

Flakeloaf: Both cops and firearms inspectors also have no-warrant privileges but only under exigent circumstances and god help you if that "exigent circumstance" is a rumour from a neighbour that Ole Jim has a loaded blunderbuss in a hockey bag under the stairs.


God help you in the sense that they are coming without a warrant to tear your place down until they find it or there is nothing left? 

or

God help you our country is game over?
 
2012-10-02 11:39:39 AM

ronaprhys: USMC Rules For Gun Fighting

-Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.
-Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
-Only hits count. A close miss is still a miss.
-If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough nor using cover correctly.
-Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movements are preferred.)
-If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.
-In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
-If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.
-Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.
-Use a gun that works EVERY TIME.
-Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
-Always cheat = always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
-Have a plan.
-Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.
-Use cover and concealment as much as possible.
-Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
-Don't drop your guard.
-Always tactically reload and threat scan 360 degrees.
-Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them).
-Decide to be AGGRESSIVE enough, QUICKLY enough.
-The faster you finish the fight, the less shot up you will get.
-Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
-Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
-Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a "4".


t2.gstatic.com
"Use a gun. And if that don't work, use MORE gun."
 
2012-10-02 12:23:59 PM

C_Canuk: Flakeloaf: Both cops and firearms inspectors also have no-warrant privileges but only under exigent circumstances and god help you if that "exigent circumstance" is a rumour from a neighbour that Ole Jim has a loaded blunderbuss in a hockey bag under the stairs.

God help you in the sense that they are coming without a warrant to tear your place down until they find it or there is nothing left? 

or

God help you our country is game over?


I meant god help the police for doing a no-warrant entry into someone's house for a really hokey "good reason". This is where stuff like Feeney comes from.
 
2012-10-02 12:44:03 PM

dittybopper: C_Canuk: based on what I've heard from people getting inspected, the way the RCMP present themselves, they don't seem to think they need a warrant, however, that may be them twisting and playing with language to get consent without the person in question realizing it. It may also be people mis-remembering what actually happened and assuming they had no choice.

A *LOT* of police work consists of that last part.


Yep - if you don't know your rights and you consent, there's a decent chance that you'll now have to wait until a court case to try and prove your innocence, which is backwards. If the police stop by for a polite chat and ask to come in, I'm going to refuse - just on principle. Once they're in, they may see "something" and it's now my problem. Same with searching my vehicle, etc.

BTW - IIRC, the police are allowed to lie to you to get a confession. Always remember that - even if it's not true.
 
2012-10-02 01:01:57 PM

dittybopper: themasterdebater: WhippingBoy: Almost everyone I know in Canada has a gun... where did this myth that "Canadians are unarmed" come from?

You sound old and living on a farm. I honestly don't know anyone who owns a firearm in the city.

Even in the US, people who live in the city and who own firearms tend to keep that information to themselves. You probably *DO* know someone, or more likely multiple people, who own firearms in the city, it's just not something they advertise.


Yeah...I live in an urban area and have a gun, but the vast majority of people who know me don't know that, because it's not important.

I actually got out my gun the other day based on a "bump in the night" - turns out my neighbor has a tree that dumps a strange hard fruit thing, but it sounds a lot like footsteps when they fall on the roof, and it freaked my wife out.
 
2012-10-02 01:23:55 PM
The sound of gunfire off in the distance?
I'm getting used to it now.

/lived all over this town
 
2012-10-02 01:28:16 PM

ronaprhys: BTW - IIRC, the police are allowed to lie to you to get a confession. Always remember that - even if it's not true.


It is. Reid interviewing is something I was notoriously terrible at, but I've seen guys in action who could get Rick Astley to give you up.
 
2012-10-02 01:41:36 PM
Not the headline nor even the point made by TFA.
 
2012-10-02 01:45:02 PM

ronaprhys: USMC Rules For Gun Fighting

-Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.
-Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
-Only hits count. A close miss is still a miss.
-If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough nor using cover correctly.
-Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movements are preferred.)
-If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.
-In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
-If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.
-Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.
-Use a gun that works EVERY TIME.
-Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
-Always cheat = always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
-Have a plan.
-Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.
-Use cover and concealment as much as possible.
-Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
-Don't drop your guard.
-Always tactically reload and threat scan 360 degrees.
-Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them).
-Decide to be AGGRESSIVE enough, QUICKLY enough.
-The faster you finish the fight, the less shot up you will get.
-Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
-Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
-Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a "4".


- Bring lots of loaded magazines
 
2012-10-02 01:47:43 PM

brantgoose: Subtile differences that tell you whether you are in the USA or Canada

Gunfire
USA - Check to see if the kids are OK. Check for holes in person, property.
Canada - Assume it is a car backfiring unless you are in a rural area, in which case it is probably just a poacher.

Alcohol
USA - Check to see if your area is "dry" or "wet", then load up a shopping cart in nearest store
Canada - Decide whether to buy at a government outlet or wait until you get to the US and can load up a cart with duty-free at the nearest store to the border.

Mailboxes
USA - Blue
Canada - Red

Ammo
Canada - Something hunters buy.
USA - something sold in convenience stores by the roadside along with gas, milk, food, tobacco, alcohol, and for some reason, fake antiques.

Milk
USA: Found in lattes, sold in cartons or jugs.
Canada: Found in bags under cow, sold in bags for easy freezing when you find a good sale.

Language:
USA: English, official, Spanish, de facto, everything else (hospitals, clinics, prisons, urban schools)
Canada: English (8 provinces) French (1 province), English and French (NB), where numbers warrant (schools), except in Quebec (quota on English) or the Rest of Canada (quota on French immersion for some grades and schools), Everything else (on the street).

Attitude towards Sex:
USA: Yes, please!
Canada: The hockey game's about to come on. Maybe later, if my team wins.

Gay marriage:
Canada: Yes
USA: Maybe. Sort of. Off and on. In some places.

Goods and merchandise:
USA: Cheap, plentiful, crappy
Canada: Cheap (plus a premium of up to 100% over the US price), plentiful, crappy, come with a three year warantee (costs extra)

Service
USA: The service economy is a sick joke but service is generally cheerful and excellent due to competition and the natural inclination of Americans to buy and sell anything, anywhere, at any time, even when sleep-walking.
Canada: Service has been heard of, but never seen except on vacation in the US or abroad. The basic attitude is a combination o ...


The U.S. refuses to name "an official language". We're too pussy a nation.
 
2012-10-02 03:30:40 PM
1) Approach shooter, ask "What're shooting for, eh?"
2) Evaluate shooter's response.
If favourable:
Say "Carry on.", discuss hockey.
In unfavourable:
Say "That's not right, eh?", discuss hockey.


I usually just shout out "Stop farking firing!" but Ricky never listens.
 
2012-10-02 04:04:38 PM

WhippingBoy: Almost everyone I know in Canada has a gun... where did this myth that "Canadians are unarmed" come from?


From Americans wanting to stir up the attitude that it would be easy to invade Canada. They are going to get a nasty surprise when all these invaders find that we're armed to the teeth and know how to shoot at a distance.

"Canada -- full of f*cking snipers!"
 
2012-10-02 07:07:26 PM

Slaxl: ScottRiqui: Slaxl: If you hear gunfire then you open fire, all weapons. Then you dispatch Warlock and war rocket Ajax, to bring back his body.

Love the effects on the soundtrack after "open fire" and "all weapons". 

(Don't know what happened to the tags on the last post)

Wow, I never knew it was that. Stupid General Kala, not speaking clearly!


Do you bring back the hawkman rocket cycle?
 
2012-10-02 11:45:51 PM
FTA: Have you heard about any recent beefs involving people or groups?

"Why yes, now that you mention it officer. The neighbors have had a frightful amount of fuss betwixt themselves about their cattle, going on a few years back. How did you know?"
 
2012-10-04 11:23:32 PM

YixilTesiphon: dittybopper: themasterdebater: WhippingBoy: Almost everyone I know in Canada has a gun... where did this myth that "Canadians are unarmed" come from?

You sound old and living on a farm. I honestly don't know anyone who owns a firearm in the city.

Even in the US, people who live in the city and who own firearms tend to keep that information to themselves. You probably *DO* know someone, or more likely multiple people, who own firearms in the city, it's just not something they advertise.

Yeah...I live in an urban area and have a gun, but the vast majority of people who know me don't know that, because it's not important.

I actually got out my gun the other day based on a "bump in the night" - turns out my neighbor has a tree that dumps a strange hard fruit thing, but it sounds a lot like footsteps when they fall on the roof, and it freaked my wife out.


Starts with dropping hard fruit, before you know it they're pulling a knife on you. You should waste the tree.
 
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