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2012-10-02 07:30:07 AM
So donning my fur coat and doing my deer dance of peace isn't the best course of action?
 
2012-10-02 08:01:06 AM
We have milk in bags, your argument is invalid.
 
2012-10-02 08:14:14 AM
Pray to the Trudeau Zombie, it's the only hope.
 
2012-10-02 08:53:31 AM
The answer is to find a different spot to hunt, because whoever shot probably scared all of the deer out of the area.
 
2012-10-02 08:54:04 AM
search for the wounded beaver
 
2012-10-02 08:55:07 AM
So I'm crazy for carrying a gun and planning to run away from danger, but apparently being unarmed and trying to observe a crime in progress is the safe course of action?
 
2012-10-02 08:56:23 AM
I think they missed "Snitches lay in ditches". 

i.ytimg.com
 
2012-10-02 08:57:00 AM
If you hear gunfire then you open fire, all weapons. Then you dispatch Warlock and Ajax, to bring back his body.
 
2012-10-02 08:59:02 AM
How about ..... shoot back in defence!!
 
2012-10-02 08:59:18 AM
Poop your pants?
 
2012-10-02 08:59:49 AM
'What to do if you hear gunfire.'

Call your buddy on the radio and see if he needs help dragging a deer?
 
2012-10-02 09:01:06 AM
graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2012-10-02 09:03:42 AM
THIS is their solution to all the gun violence in Halifax?

/straws, grasping at

//subby
 
2012-10-02 09:06:34 AM

Gimli_Gloin: I think they missed "Snitches...". 


...pass out in ditches
 
2012-10-02 09:09:38 AM
images.qualityinformationpublishers.com
 
2012-10-02 09:13:26 AM
quite the informative bullet pic in the article.

put on headphones and shake your fist at those pesky teenagers!
 
2012-10-02 09:20:42 AM
USMC Rules For Gun Fighting

-Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.
-Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
-Only hits count. A close miss is still a miss.
-If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough nor using cover correctly.
-Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movements are preferred.)
-If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.
-In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
-If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.
-Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.
-Use a gun that works EVERY TIME.
-Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
-Always cheat = always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
-Have a plan.
-Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.
-Use cover and concealment as much as possible.
-Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
-Don't drop your guard.
-Always tactically reload and threat scan 360 degrees.
-Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them).
-Decide to be AGGRESSIVE enough, QUICKLY enough.
-The faster you finish the fight, the less shot up you will get.
-Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
-Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
-Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a "4".
 
2012-10-02 09:20:53 AM
How are we to distinguish the sound of gunfire from our snowmobiles backfiring?
 
2012-10-02 09:20:55 AM
They left out the following

If you see anyone who happens to be carrying one of the estimated 11 million firearms in Canada, report it to the police immediately so they can stop the obvious criminal by entering their house without a warrant as allowed by the gun control act. If you see a gun it's obviously a crime in progress.

Remember people don't kill people, guns turn people into soulless killing machines.

understandingcrime.ca
out of aprox 27 million people

"Suicide - 633 deaths, or 2.0 deaths per 100,000 people in the population that year (down from 1,085 and 4.5 per 100,000 in 1979)
Homicide - 137 deaths, or 0.4 per 100,000 (down from 183 and 0.8 per 100,000 in 1979)
Unintentional - 31 deaths, or 0.1 per 100,000 (down from 71 and 0.3 per 100,000 in 1979)
Undetermined - 11 deaths, or 0.0 per 100,000 (down from 62 and 0.3 per 100,000 in 1979)"

Link

Link
 
2012-10-02 09:23:26 AM
Home sweet home.
 
2012-10-02 09:26:40 AM
I don't know what you guys are gonna do but if I hear gunfire I'm going to hit the deck.
 
2012-10-02 09:29:25 AM

reveal101: I don't know what you guys are gonna do but if I hear gunfire I'm going to hit the deck.


That's no time to start playing solitaire!
 
2012-10-02 09:31:14 AM
macadamnut:


And we're done.
 
2012-10-02 09:32:52 AM
Almost everyone I know in Canada has a gun... where did this myth that "Canadians are unarmed" come from?
 
2012-10-02 09:33:30 AM

C_Canuk: They left out the following

If you see anyone who happens to be carrying one of the estimated 11 million firearms in Canada, report it to the police immediately so they can stop the obvious criminal by entering their house without a warrant as allowed by the gun control act.


I hope you don't mean the Firearms Act:

104. (1) An inspector may not enter a dwelling-house under section 102 except

(a) on reasonable notice to the owner or occupant, except where a business is being carried on in the dwelling-house; and

(b) with the consent of the occupant or under a warrant.
 
2012-10-02 09:39:54 AM
Where I live (hint: it's not Canuckistan) if you hear gunshots, you go thank your neighbor for taking out that pesky whistlepig that's been digging up your garden.

No lie. My neighbor (a law enforcement officer) has thanked me multiple times for shooting the damned chipmunks and groundhogs that mess up our yards. I, in turn, have thanked him for blasting the damned skunk that was wandering around. 12ga 000-buck = no more skunk.
 
2012-10-02 09:41:07 AM

WhippingBoy: Almost everyone I know in Canada has a gun... where did this myth that "Canadians are unarmed" come from?


From the steering committee of the Canadian Council To Lull America To Sleep, Prior to Stealth Annexation.

/it's obvious working.
 
2012-10-02 09:46:20 AM

Slaxl: If you hear gunfire then you open fire, all weapons. Then you dispatch Warlock and war rocket Ajax, to bring back his body.


Love the effects on the soundtrack after "open fire" and "all weapons".
 
2012-10-02 09:47:59 AM
Flakeloaf: C_Canuk: They left out the following

If you see anyone who happens to be carrying one of the estimated 11 million firearms in Canada, report it to the police immediately so they can stop the obvious criminal by entering their house without a warrant as allowed by the gun control act.


I hope you don't mean the Firearms Act:

104. (1) An inspector may not enter a dwelling-house under section 102 except

(a) on reasonable notice to the owner or occupant, except where a business is being carried on in the dwelling-house; and

(b) with the consent of the occupant or under a warrant.



Note nothing about a warrant, and reasonable notice is not defined, therefore it can be construed to be reasonable when they show up. If someone calls up and says they saw you brandishing a sniper rifle when you were just cleaning your hunting rifle, reasonable notice is the time it takes them to tell you they are coming in when the RCMP knock on your door. This is common practice if you read about these incidents in the news.

The point is that it's a bunch of retarded fear mongering to prevent 137 deaths a year out of over 27 million people, which is readily apparent when you compare it to the rate of death by lightning strike. Link "Lightning strikes kill or injure an estimated 120 to 190 people each year in Canada."  .
 
2012-10-02 09:48:13 AM

Slaxl: If you hear gunfire then you open fire, all weapons. Then you dispatch Warlock and war rocket Ajax, to bring back his body.


Love the effects on the soundtrack after "open fire" and "all weapons". 

(Don't know what happened to the tags on the last post)
 
2012-10-02 09:51:43 AM

markfara: Poop your pants?


FTA "How many shots were fired and when?"

Can one tell how many shots were fired when one is too busy shiating one's underpants?

/I can tell you how many 'shots' I fired off in my underpants.
 
2012-10-02 09:53:34 AM

Flakeloaf: C_Canuk: They left out the following

If you see anyone who happens to be carrying one of the estimated 11 million firearms in Canada, report it to the police immediately so they can stop the obvious criminal by entering their house without a warrant as allowed by the gun control act.


I hope you don't mean the Firearms Act:

104. (1) An inspector may not enter a dwelling-house under section 102 except

(a) on reasonable notice to the owner or occupant, except where a business is being carried on in the dwelling-house; and

(b) with the consent of the occupant or under a warrant.




Sorry, misread that portion. I missed the "; and"

I will go back and review the Act.

Thanks
 
2012-10-02 09:56:06 AM

C_Canuk: Flakeloaf: C_Canuk: They left out the following

If you see anyone who happens to be carrying one of the estimated 11 million firearms in Canada, report it to the police immediately so they can stop the obvious criminal by entering their house without a warrant as allowed by the gun control act.


I hope you don't mean the Firearms Act:

104. (1) An inspector may not enter a dwelling-house under section 102 except

(a) on reasonable notice to the owner or occupant, except where a business is being carried on in the dwelling-house; and

(b) with the consent of the occupant or under a warrant.



Note nothing about a warrant, and reasonable notice is not defined, therefore it can be construed to be reasonable when they show up. If someone calls up and says they saw you brandishing a sniper rifle when you were just cleaning your hunting rifle, reasonable notice is the time it takes them to tell you they are coming in when the RCMP knock on your door. This is common practice if you read about these incidents in the news.

The point is that it's a bunch of retarded fear mongering to prevent 137 deaths a year out of over 27 million people, which is readily apparent when you compare it to the rate of death by lightning strike. Link "Lightning strikes kill or injure an estimated 120 to 190 people each year in Canada."  .


In fairness to C_Canuck, you missed an important conjunction, which I bolded, embiggened, and italiated above.

They have to give reasonable notice to the owner/occupant, *AND* either have a warrant or their consent, unless there is a business being conducted in the dwelling. That's how I read it.
 
2012-10-02 09:58:01 AM
Should it say "What to do when you hear gunfire in America?"
 
2012-10-02 09:58:29 AM

gopher321: Pray to the Trudeau Zombie, it's the only hope.


Make that "Son of Trudeau Zombie".
 
2012-10-02 10:02:03 AM
Subtile differences that tell you whether you are in the USA or Canada

Gunfire
USA - Check to see if the kids are OK. Check for holes in person, property.
Canada - Assume it is a car backfiring unless you are in a rural area, in which case it is probably just a poacher.

Alcohol
USA - Check to see if your area is "dry" or "wet", then load up a shopping cart in nearest store
Canada - Decide whether to buy at a government outlet or wait until you get to the US and can load up a cart with duty-free at the nearest store to the border.

Mailboxes
USA - Blue
Canada - Red

Ammo
Canada - Something hunters buy.
USA - something sold in convenience stores by the roadside along with gas, milk, food, tobacco, alcohol, and for some reason, fake antiques.

Milk
USA: Found in lattes, sold in cartons or jugs.
Canada: Found in bags under cow, sold in bags for easy freezing when you find a good sale.

Language:
USA: English, official, Spanish, de facto, everything else (hospitals, clinics, prisons, urban schools)
Canada: English (8 provinces) French (1 province), English and French (NB), where numbers warrant (schools), except in Quebec (quota on English) or the Rest of Canada (quota on French immersion for some grades and schools), Everything else (on the street).

Attitude towards Sex:
USA: Yes, please!
Canada: The hockey game's about to come on. Maybe later, if my team wins.

Gay marriage:
Canada: Yes
USA: Maybe. Sort of. Off and on. In some places.

Goods and merchandise:
USA: Cheap, plentiful, crappy
Canada: Cheap (plus a premium of up to 100% over the US price), plentiful, crappy, come with a three year warantee (costs extra)

Service
USA: The service economy is a sick joke but service is generally cheerful and excellent due to competition and the natural inclination of Americans to buy and sell anything, anywhere, at any time, even when sleep-walking.
Canada: Service has been heard of, but never seen except on vacation in the US or abroad. The basic attitude is a combination of pre-War British service (slow, reluctant, incompetent, able to ignore you as long as you are able to linger hopefully) and French (speedy, competent, snarky, doesn't have what you want and wouldn't sell it to you if they did, yah bum).

Restaurant Food
USA: portions: gigantic; price: usually moderate; service: good; food: from horrible to suberb
Canada: portions: laughable; price: immoderate; service: unknown; food: from horrible to almost superb depending on whether you are in Quebec and whether you are in a major city or not. Your best bet when travelling: keep driving. You'll get to a place where good food can be purchased eventually, usually in the next province or state.
 
2012-10-02 10:04:07 AM

tallen702: I, in turn, have thanked him for blasting the damned skunk that was wandering around. 12ga 000-buck = no more skunk.


Just how far away from everything do you have to bait a skunk before it is safe to shoot? A fine mist of skunk doesn't seem to be an improvement. 

/No, I don't think Canada has to worry about an invasion of the Nobama crew come November (no matter how much they threaten).
//Not even Alberta.
 
2012-10-02 10:04:09 AM

dittybopper: C_Canuk: Flakeloaf: C_Canuk: They left out the following

If you see anyone who happens to be carrying one of the estimated 11 million firearms in Canada, report it to the police immediately so they can stop the obvious criminal by entering their house without a warrant as allowed by the gun control act.


I hope you don't mean the Firearms Act:

104. (1) An inspector may not enter a dwelling-house under section 102 except

(a) on reasonable notice to the owner or occupant, except where a business is being carried on in the dwelling-house; and

(b) with the consent of the occupant or under a warrant.



Note nothing about a warrant, and reasonable notice is not defined, therefore it can be construed to be reasonable when they show up. If someone calls up and says they saw you brandishing a sniper rifle when you were just cleaning your hunting rifle, reasonable notice is the time it takes them to tell you they are coming in when the RCMP knock on your door. This is common practice if you read about these incidents in the news.

The point is that it's a bunch of retarded fear mongering to prevent 137 deaths a year out of over 27 million people, which is readily apparent when you compare it to the rate of death by lightning strike. Link "Lightning strikes kill or injure an estimated 120 to 190 people each year in Canada."  .

In fairness to C_Canuck, you missed an important conjunction, which I bolded, embiggened, and italiated above.

They have to give reasonable notice to the owner/occupant, *AND* either have a warrant or their consent, unless there is a business being conducted in the dwelling. That's how I read it.


based on what I've heard from people getting inspected, the way the RCMP present themselves, they don't seem to think they need a warrant, however, that may be them twisting and playing with language to get consent without the person in question realizing it. It may also be people mis-remembering what actually happened and assuming they had no choice.
 
2012-10-02 10:07:53 AM
Whoops! Subtle. Subtil is French and subtile is where those ants in the bathroom went.

Languages set up interferrence patterns if you are not careful to remember which one it is that you are speaking.
 
2012-10-02 10:11:36 AM

ScottRiqui: Slaxl: If you hear gunfire then you open fire, all weapons. Then you dispatch Warlock and war rocket Ajax, to bring back his body.

Love the effects on the soundtrack after "open fire" and "all weapons". 

(Don't know what happened to the tags on the last post)


Wow, I never knew it was that. Stupid General Kala, not speaking clearly!
 
2012-10-02 10:14:03 AM

C_Canuk: based on what I've heard from people getting inspected, the way the RCMP present themselves, they don't seem to think they need a warrant, however, that may be them twisting and playing with language to get consent without the person in question realizing it. It may also be people mis-remembering what actually happened and assuming they had no choice.


Or misrepresenting what happened because when you're outraged about being mistreated by the man, admissions like that tend to detract from the story :). I'd say it's equal parts of each.

For the consent issue, a lot of agencies use a form and/or some kind of recording device to have the subject explain to the police (yup) in clear language exactly what they're consenting to and the consequences if a Bad Thing is found. Usually the discussion starts off with "The end point is the same; we come inside, we check out this legitimate complaint that your firearm is prohibited/unregistered andrestricted/stored unsafely, and we go on our way. If you'd like us to get a warrant we can certainly do that, but we're going to have to stand here and secure the house until the warrant's approved so..."
 
2012-10-02 10:16:26 AM
I've been present at three shootings and it happens, so fast you have no time to think. By the time you duck it's already over.
 
2012-10-02 10:17:39 AM
Last Friday at work, we had a demonstration of WW2 small arms for a Grade 9 school group (.38 revolver, Lee-Enfield No 4, and the Bren light machine-gun)--firing blank, of course; while at the same time we had a gay wedding for a couple from Oregon out at the lighthouse. One of the grooms is in the US Navy. They had smiles a mile wide.

Gotta love being Canadian.
 
2012-10-02 10:22:43 AM

C_Canuk: based on what I've heard from people getting inspected, the way the RCMP present themselves, they don't seem to think they need a warrant, however, that may be them twisting and playing with language to get consent without the person in question realizing it. It may also be people mis-remembering what actually happened and assuming they had no choice.


A *LOT* of police work consists of that last part.
 
2012-10-02 10:26:28 AM

brantgoose: Whoops! Subtle. Subtil is French and subtile is where those ants in the bathroom went.


You know who else was subtil?

img509.imageshack.us

Le Reynard, that's who.
 
2012-10-02 10:33:50 AM
C_Canuk and Flakeloaf
Heated argument that becomes more and more reasonable

You guys are so Canadian. Keep it up.
 
2012-10-02 10:35:58 AM

WhippingBoy: Almost everyone I know in Canada has a gun... where did this myth that "Canadians are unarmed" come from?


You sound old and living on a farm. I honestly don't know anyone who owns a firearm in the city.
 
2012-10-02 10:41:53 AM

Flakeloaf: For the consent issue, a lot of agencies use a form and/or some kind of recording device to have the subject explain to the police (yup) in clear language exactly what they're consenting to and the consequences if a Bad Thing is found. Usually the discussion starts off with "The end point is the same; we come inside, we check out this legitimate complaint that your firearm is prohibited/unregistered andrestricted/stored unsafely, and we go on our way. If you'd like us to get a warrant we can certainly do that, but we're going to have to stand here and secure the house until the warrant's approved so..."


This is harsh because it basically boils down to, someone accused you of something, so you can either let us search your belongings and look for a crime OR we make you a prisoner of your own home until we get a warrant and do it anyway.

I don't see an alternative for Leos called out for this crap based on the law but this seems like a Kafkaesque situation, based on laws put into place out of irrational fears.
 
2012-10-02 10:42:13 AM

themasterdebater: WhippingBoy: Almost everyone I know in Canada has a gun... where did this myth that "Canadians are unarmed" come from?

You sound old and living on a farm. I honestly don't know anyone who owns a firearm in the city.


Even in the US, people who live in the city and who own firearms tend to keep that information to themselves. You probably *DO* know someone, or more likely multiple people, who own firearms in the city, it's just not something they advertise.
 
2012-10-02 11:02:17 AM

themasterdebater: WhippingBoy: Almost everyone I know in Canada has a gun... where did this myth that "Canadians are unarmed" come from?

You sound old and living on a farm. I honestly don't know anyone who owns a firearm in the city.


True... I do come from a rural background, and am living in a smaller town. I didn't know anyone in the city who had a gun (their families all had them. "back home").
Interestingly enough, we live near a military firing range, so the sounds of automatic weapons fire in the evening isn't a particularly rare event.
 
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