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2012-10-02 11:56:13 AM

JackieRabbit: There is forceable and non-forceable rape and they must have statues to cover both.


I'm curious what rape statues would look like, but I'm afraid to Google it...
 
2012-10-02 12:00:45 PM

Rogue Surf: r1niceboy: AverageAmericanGuy: I would assume that they used the term 'forcible' to distinguish actual rapes from morning after regret rapes.

It's amazing to see how neighboring states New Mexico and Arizona are so close in proximity yet so different in culture.

If Susana Martinez had her way, they'd be very similar. She's trying to get as much food from the right-wing buffet onto her plate, but much of it is falling off.

THIS! Our Tea-Bag leaning Governor Susana wanted to get rid of our Medical Cannabis Laws, and her Political Advisors are all asses, Her Chief of Staff - (a Mormon) was recorded calling a State Senator a Mutha-Farker and Cawk-Sucker and they are trying to influence major state elections so they can ram further crap down our throats! Our last "good" Governor was Gary Johnson!


She's also on a tear after the state employee unions as well. It looks like employees are deliberately being targeted if they don't bend over and ask 'please sir, may I have another.' One of her lackeys put in writing that labor laws don't apply to state employees.
 
2012-10-02 12:11:20 PM

r1niceboy: Rogue Surf: r1niceboy: AverageAmericanGuy: I would assume that they used the term 'forcible' to distinguish actual rapes from morning after regret rapes.

It's amazing to see how neighboring states New Mexico and Arizona are so close in proximity yet so different in culture.

If Susana Martinez had her way, they'd be very similar. She's trying to get as much food from the right-wing buffet onto her plate, but much of it is falling off.

THIS! Our Tea-Bag leaning Governor Susana wanted to get rid of our Medical Cannabis Laws, and her Political Advisors are all asses, Her Chief of Staff - (a Mormon) was recorded calling a State Senator a Mutha-Farker and Cawk-Sucker and they are trying to influence major state elections so they can ram further crap down our throats! Our last "good" Governor was Gary Johnson!

She's also on a tear after the state employee unions as well. It looks like employees are deliberately being targeted if they don't bend over and ask 'please sir, may I have another.' One of her lackeys put in writing that labor laws don't apply to state employees.


Yes, and my brother - who has accomplshed more for bringing industry to the state than about anyone around is blacklisted as he "helped" the Legislature kill many of her introduced bills! The Medical Cannabis legislation repeal died a quick death - mostly at the hands of Vets (PTSD) who packed the committees in opposition!
/I'm a Dem who used to work for the Gary Johnson Adminstration, don't see much cross-party cooperation anymore since the R's went off the deep end!
 
2012-10-02 12:27:45 PM

RobSeace: JackieRabbit: There is forceable and non-forceable rape and they must have statues to cover both.

I'm curious what rape statues would look like, but I'm afraid to Google it...


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2012-10-02 12:42:34 PM

Rogue Surf: r1niceboy: Rogue Surf: r1niceboy: AverageAmericanGuy: I would assume that they used the term 'forcible' to distinguish actual rapes from morning after regret rapes.

It's amazing to see how neighboring states New Mexico and Arizona are so close in proximity yet so different in culture.

If Susana Martinez had her way, they'd be very similar. She's trying to get as much food from the right-wing buffet onto her plate, but much of it is falling off.

THIS! Our Tea-Bag leaning Governor Susana wanted to get rid of our Medical Cannabis Laws, and her Political Advisors are all asses, Her Chief of Staff - (a Mormon) was recorded calling a State Senator a Mutha-Farker and Cawk-Sucker and they are trying to influence major state elections so they can ram further crap down our throats! Our last "good" Governor was Gary Johnson!

She's also on a tear after the state employee unions as well. It looks like employees are deliberately being targeted if they don't bend over and ask 'please sir, may I have another.' One of her lackeys put in writing that labor laws don't apply to state employees.

Yes, and my brother - who has accomplshed more for bringing industry to the state than about anyone around is blacklisted as he "helped" the Legislature kill many of her introduced bills! The Medical Cannabis legislation repeal died a quick death - mostly at the hands of Vets (PTSD) who packed the committees in opposition!
/I'm a Dem who used to work for the Gary Johnson Adminstration, don't see much cross-party cooperation anymore since the R's went off the deep end!


My wife's a AFSCME steward, who, along with every other union rep, is having to fight a string of petty disciplinary actions. My favorite was the employee relations board demanding to see personal medical records when my wife used one of the vast number of sick days she had accrued.

I'm pretty sure memos are being sent down threatening the jobs of mid-level state management that don't persecute their underlings so they can replace them with cheap, entry-level replacements who can be cowed more easily. It's pretty scummy, but part of a national trend.
 
2012-10-02 12:46:03 PM

Jim_Callahan: gerbilpox:
So a bf and his slightly younger minor gf fark carelessly, and the taxpayers have to pick up their babysitting bill?

Honestly, fine by me.

Though were I going all dictator on New Mexico I'd add in that both parties would also be forcibly sterilized and the baby would be assigned another from a list of applicants screened by psychologists provided by single-payer health care, and free birth control would be provided for everyone so that the birth rate would be low enough to keep the pool of applicants sufficient.

//In all seriousness, though, this is a practical concerns regarding kids that are insufficiently cared for growing up to be burdens on the state, getting overly ideological about it is sort of "if wishes were horses" territory, not a valid policy position.


Good point. Also, child care will probably be required for a single parent to work, and a young, less-educated one will already have trouble finding a job that pays much.

As I said later in my post, I don't have a problem saying that we'll provide it as a matter of public policy based on income, other need measures, or perhaps even age. It just shouldn't be based on whether her consensual sex was statutory rape or not.
 
2012-10-02 12:59:40 PM

FirstNationalBastard: RobSeace: JackieRabbit: There is forceable and non-forceable rape and they must have statues to cover both.

I'm curious what rape statues would look like, but I'm afraid to Google it...

[www.twofedoras.com image 400x300]


That's the "forcable" one, I assume?

/Don't blink!
 
2012-10-02 01:05:51 PM

r1niceboy: Rogue Surf: r1niceboy: Rogue Surf: r1niceboy: AverageAmericanGuy: I would assume that they used the term 'forcible' to distinguish actual rapes from morning after regret rapes.

It's amazing to see how neighboring states New Mexico and Arizona are so close in proximity yet so different in culture.

If Susana Martinez had her way, they'd be very similar. She's trying to get as much food from the right-wing buffet onto her plate, but much of it is falling off.

THIS! Our Tea-Bag leaning Governor Susana wanted to get rid of our Medical Cannabis Laws, and her Political Advisors are all asses, Her Chief of Staff - (a Mormon) was recorded calling a State Senator a Mutha-Farker and Cawk-Sucker and they are trying to influence major state elections so they can ram further crap down our throats! Our last "good" Governor was Gary Johnson!

She's also on a tear after the state employee unions as well. It looks like employees are deliberately being targeted if they don't bend over and ask 'please sir, may I have another.' One of her lackeys put in writing that labor laws don't apply to state employees.

Yes, and my brother - who has accomplshed more for bringing industry to the state than about anyone around is blacklisted as he "helped" the Legislature kill many of her introduced bills! The Medical Cannabis legislation repeal died a quick death - mostly at the hands of Vets (PTSD) who packed the committees in opposition!
/I'm a Dem who used to work for the Gary Johnson Adminstration, don't see much cross-party cooperation anymore since the R's went off the deep end!

My wife's a AFSCME steward, who, along with every other union rep, is having to fight a string of petty disciplinary actions. My favorite was the employee relations board demanding to see personal medical records when my wife used one of the vast number of sick days she had accrued.

I'm pretty sure memos are being sent down threatening the jobs of mid-level state management that don't persecute their underling ...


Tell your wife that should be a HIPPA violation and see the look on their faces! To be fair, there are a number of state employees who should be fired for performance issues, and you can't even dynamite them out of state government! Had one who used every trick in the book while messing up millions in state agency transfers, Governor wanted her fired, but they eventually had to move her to where she could do no damage! Took 4 months to get everything in sync and train a new administrator, the go-to person at STO literally cried when I came back to help because it was so Farked-up!
 
2012-10-02 01:49:03 PM

11of12: This whole thing makes me think of George Carlin's unnecessary words routine.


This.

Also I have an idea. Lets use the word "unsolicited".

I am disappoint Fark. This far into the thread and no mention of UFIA yet?
 
2012-10-02 02:12:01 PM

Rogue Surf: r1niceboy:

My wife's a AFSCME steward, who, along with every other union rep, is having to fight a string of petty disciplinary actions. My favorite was the employee relations board demanding to see personal medical records when my wife used one of the vast number of sick days she had accrued.

I'm pretty sure memos are being sent down threatening the jobs of mid-level state management that don't persecute their underling ...

Tell your wife that should be a HIPPA violation and see the look on their faces! To be fair, there are a number of state employees who should be fired for performance issues, and you can't even dynamite them out of state government! Had one who used every trick in the book while messing up millions in state agency transfers, Governor wanted her fired, but they eventually had to move her to where she could do no damage! Took 4 months to get everything in sync and train a new administrator, the go-to person at STO literally cried when I came back to help because it was so Farked-up!


Don't worry, she's all over it, and all the stuff being done to the women in her office. She recently had a co-worker who was being slammed by petty allegation after allegation cleared of all wrong-doing, and the manager in question relieved of her position within the office. It's a bit like playing whack-a-mole though.
 
2012-10-02 02:20:08 PM

Bhruic: Ugh. Why do some people seem to want to insist on using words to defy reality? There's a reason we have terms like "forcible rape", and it's to differentiate them from the other types. Of which, yes, there are some. Statutory rape, for example. There could be no force involved there, both parties could be consenting, one party just lacks (under the law) the ability to give consent. Or, as another example, date rape, where one party might be intoxicated or drugged. Again, no force required because the other party isn't in a position to resist.

"Rape is rape" is fine if you are talking about it casually, but from a legal perspective, well, sorry, that's not really accurate.


From an ethics perspective, in the context of the state assisting with child care, does it make more sense to say the state will not help victims of statutory rape to help care for their child? Does it make more sense to say that the state will not help people who were drugged then raped take care of their child? Maybe it's those darned mentally handicapped rape victims who are unworthy of the states largess when it comes to paying for their kids? Though I appreciate your point, in the context of this bill, there's no way that what they were trying to do was anything other than absurd and morally reprehensible. For the purposes of determining whether or not a rape victim should get assistance with child care, rape is rape.

/sanctity of life, my ass... these people hate the living.
 
2012-10-02 02:21:34 PM

FirstNationalBastard: RobSeace: JackieRabbit: There is forceable and non-forceable rape and they must have statues to cover both.

I'm curious what rape statues would look like, but I'm afraid to Google it...

[www.twofedoras.com image 400x300]


...and cue undignified office laughing fit.
 
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