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(Daily Mail)   Nine-year-old shoots and kills classmate over who should have been student of the week. Well, odds are that the shooter isn't going to be named student of the week now   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 21
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2012-10-02 03:16:40 AM
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FTFA: Alaska State Troopers say Spencer Polty was killed by a shot to his chest from a .17-caliber pellet rifle fired by another nine-year-old boy in Pilot Station on Friday afternoon.

The rifle has been described as 'high-powered' and is believed to have went off during an argument between the two boys.

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The boy has not been identified and police are unsure what charges will be filed.



This is where the bullsh*t lies, isn't it?

Notice that the article talks about how the pellet rifle just happened to go off. Yes, it just happened to go off as it was pointed at the chest of the victim. Just a total freak accident... riiiiiiight.

Whatever happened to the phrase pro-gun folks like to use, "Guns don't kill people -- PEOPLE kill people." This 9-year-old shot and killed his classmate while they were arguing with each other. The fact that the shooter was 9 years old doesn't make the victim any less dead.

As for the charge, it's murder. You can certainly argue heat-of-the-moment, but it's still murder. Try him as a juvenile and be done with it. You can always provide psychological evaluation and counseling after he's been convicted and sentenced.
2012-10-02 05:24:22 AM
2 votes:

God-is-a-Taco: If a pellet gun is powerful enough to kill a human, does it still serve a purpose?


Yes. Taking small game at longer ranges. They make terrific trail/survival guns since they're light, and use ammunition that is cheap, plentiful and easy to carry lots of. And they don't make a lot of noise compared to a firearm.

I have one of these "high-powered" air rifles. They are NOT toys and I would never allow a child to use one unsupervised.

Kid's parents are the ones who deserve to be shot.
2012-10-02 05:03:07 AM
2 votes:

doglover: killed by a shot to his chest from a .17-caliber pellet rifle fired by another nine-year-old boy

You can kill a boy with a pellet gun?


Sort of depends. There are pellet guns designed to be children's toys, which at worst will make you bleed a bit unless you're staring right down the barrel, and even then will "just" blind you. Then there are pellet guns designed to hunt vermin, which are basically very low-powered, low-caliber rifles with the advantage of being quiet enough to get a couple of shots off. They also have shaped pellets rather than basic round balls which are designed to go faster, deflect less, and flatten out like a hollowpoint, which as other people have noted has a pretty good chance to take out a squirrel or a groundhog at ten or fifteen paces, with the added benefit of the ricochet not being particularly dangerous so you don't have to worry about a shot that misses damaging something or someone else.

A hunter/farmer's pellet gun isn't going to leave a gaping concussion wound or anything, but it can certainly penetrate and if it doesn't hit bone before it gets into something more vital the damage can be considerable. They're genuine hunting tools, like other low-power hunting tools like a fishing mallet or a skinning knife they're still not something you should let your nine-year-old casually fark around with unsupervised.

So... yes, basically.

Or, to put it another way: my pellet gun was under my bed and my brother and I shot each other all the time with no problems (other than the results of the ensuing fistfights). My father's pellet gun was in the gun safe, with the shotgun and the rifles, and if we'd touched it without permission and supervision we'd have been grounded until we were 50.

Fark Me To Tears: As for the charge, it's murder. You can certainly argue heat-of-the-moment, but it's still murder. Try him as a juvenile and be done with it. You can always provide psychological evaluation and counseling after he's been convicted and sentenced.


Probably manslaughter. Murder requires trying as an adult in most states, which in the case of a nine-year-old defendant essentially means you're not getting a conviction.

So my guess would be manslaughter, deferred sentence involving some kind of probation or other continual legal oversight, and regular visits from social services and psych counseling until the kid turns 18.

Then, this is my opinion as a reasonable person that grew up in an area where juvie crime was actually a significant problem, I'm not sure if it's reasonable under whatever color skies you've got out in crazy-land.
2012-10-02 05:48:40 PM
1 votes:
FTFA: The rifle has been described as 'high-powered' and is believed to have went off during an argument between the two boys.

No, the gun did not "go off". The little piece of shiat aimed the gun and pulled the trigger.
2012-10-02 02:21:32 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: Big_Fat_Liar: The regressives got beaten so badly in the 2nd amendment national debate that they now resort to really pathetic attempts at humor to make a point, and at any perceived opportunity - perceived by there own warped selves. Awesome. Anyone advocating for infringement on the Bill of Rights deserves the pathetic life they probably have.

I firmly believe in, and will defend to the death your right to own any single-shot, muzzle-loading, black powder pistol or musket you choose (though I will expect you to muster out with said weapon and a quantity of shot and powder and iron rations on the courthouse green whenever the church bell calls the milita to action). What? You want to own MODERN Firearms? Sorry, that would require me to believe that the Constituion is a living document and that the meanings of words can change with time rather than being a rigid reflection of no more or less than what the words meant when the Founding Fathers wrote them. And that, as Justice Scalia recently told us, is Heresy and Error


So you believe the government should be able to restrcit political speech on the radio, televesion, and Internet, then. Good to know.

/S'ok though - I already have you Farky'd as a 'tard.
2012-10-02 09:36:57 AM
1 votes:

stevarooni: That's sound reasoning, yep. I know a few gun enthusiasts who won't let their kids have (non-shooting) toy guns for the same reason. Guns must be respected...not feared, but definitely respected.


Absolutely.

I also think that there should be more emphasis on the rituals that follow your first kill when hunting. Drinking the blood of the deer, or taking a bite of the heart, or smearing some of the blood on your face as a reminder that life is very precious, and to take it is a very sacred thing.
2012-10-02 09:35:19 AM
1 votes:

mod3072: I used to think my old man was crazy because he would let me shoot real guns when I was a kid, but refused to let me have a BB gun or pellet gun. His reasoning was that kids often treat the latter as toys, and that's when windows get shot out or someone loses an eye. He figured it was better to show me how to properly use a gun that I knew was dangerous and would treat with respect. After reading this article, I guess I can see the logic in that now. I doubt very much if the kid thought that the pellet gun would kill someone, and so he wasn't as careful with it as he should have been.


There is a certain logic to that. For example, the littlebopper got a .22 on his 8th birthday:

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He knows the rules, and he doesn't get unsupervised access, but he *DOES* get to shoot a real gun, subject to being watched like a hawk by myself. When he wants to look at it, he can, but again only when closely supervised. Otherwise, it sits in the safe, and I have the key.
2012-10-02 07:30:58 AM
1 votes:
Why does a 9-year-old have a f*cking high-powered pellet gun? Where were the parents in all this??

/you'll shoot your eye out, kid!
2012-10-02 06:52:16 AM
1 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: I had a BB gun when I was 6 and a pellet gun when I was about 10, and my first hunting rifle -- a .30-30 Winchester -- from my grandmother when I was 13 (legal hunting age in Arizona). I've been around guns all my life, and I swear I never would've even thought that a pellet gun could kill. I know it'll sting like a biatch if you shoot somebody in the ass, and sometimes break the skin. Something must've gone exactly completely wrong to result in a death like that.

Nevertheless -- RULE #1: ALWAYS treat EVERY gun like it's loaded.

Gun-control trolling arguments aside, this is just sad.


Part of the reason why I'm a proponent of mandatory Eddie Eagle (NRA children's gun safety) classes in all elementary schools. "If you find a gun, STOP! Don't touch it, tell an adult." Would help more than D.A.R.E. I would think.

Make more comprehensive gun safety courses available to high school kids with parental permission. "Every gun is loaded, never point a gun at anything you do not want destroyed, etc." The comprehensive courses don't even need to utilize actual firearms, to appease the "Think of the children!" parents.
2012-10-02 06:39:23 AM
1 votes:
I had a BB gun when I was 6 and a pellet gun when I was about 10, and my first hunting rifle -- a .30-30 Winchester -- from my grandmother when I was 13 (legal hunting age in Arizona). I've been around guns all my life, and I swear I never would've even thought that a pellet gun could kill. I know it'll sting like a biatch if you shoot somebody in the ass, and sometimes break the skin. Something must've gone exactly completely wrong to result in a death like that.

Nevertheless -- RULE #1: ALWAYS treat EVERY gun like it's loaded.

Gun-control trolling arguments aside, this is just sad.
2012-10-02 06:07:14 AM
1 votes:
is believed to have went off

Am I wrong in thinking this is wrong?
2012-10-02 05:43:46 AM
1 votes:
That is a tiny village in the absolute end of the world. I would think most of the residents are batshiat insane.
2012-10-02 05:42:45 AM
1 votes:
Damn. If it weren't for this nation's freedom-violating gun laws, the other boy could've bought a gun and used it to repel this attack. We need more guns.
2012-10-02 05:31:51 AM
1 votes:
Jeremy spoke in class today.
2012-10-02 04:57:52 AM
1 votes:
No subby, but he did get the the 'Shooter of the Month' award.
2012-10-02 04:49:04 AM
1 votes:
the comments are awesome all those brit twits going bezerk over a kid with a gun. they dont seem to know the difference between Yukon and Compton.
2012-10-02 04:47:19 AM
1 votes:

smadge1: Pellet guns are a bit more dangerous than marshmallows, but marshmallows can kill too.


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2012-10-02 04:40:40 AM
1 votes:

doglover: killed by a shot to his chest from a .17-caliber pellet rifle fired by another nine-year-old boy

You can kill a boy with a pellet gun?


I've got a pellet gun that shoots at around 1,200fps. It's got a scope, and can easily take out prairie dogs at 100 yards. The first time I shot it, I taped my target to a cinder block wall, and wound up breaking the cinder block. I certainly wouldn't want to be shot with it. They make even more powerful ones than that too. Gamo makes one that shoots at 1,600fps.

http://www.airgundepot.com/gamo-hunter-extreme.html
2012-10-02 04:23:23 AM
1 votes:
Mrs Polty said she does not know what should happen to the boy accused of killing her son but said his mother apologized to her recently in the village store.

My suggestion is for the state to scoop the youngsters brains out with a spoon into the gutter for all the other townsfolk to witness.
2012-10-02 04:18:21 AM
1 votes:
Re:house colors. Our beach-house in Florida is normal colored, while most of the surrounding look like farking Miami Vice jizzed all over them. Neighbors complain we don't fit in. It's amusing.
2012-10-02 03:38:24 AM
1 votes:
I'm sure he'll get a nice plaque from the NRA, tho.
 
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