Rufus Lee King: Health insurance? What's that?
kidakita: Wouldn't it just be cheaper and easier to round up all the smokers, fatties, drinkers and regular drug users (legal and illegal) and gas them? While we're at it, we can also round up rock climbers, motorcycle riders, and "extreme" sports people and gas them too. That way there will only be healthy people who are not "at risk" sitting in their cubicles slaving away. Heck, we'll all live forever and not cost the system a dime, existing solely to make a profit for the State. We can all be heroes and wear our hero tags on our healthy and safe drone asses.
Jon iz teh kewl: if marijuana is so much better for u why not legalize it??
badhatharry: You fatties better speak up. They will come for you next. Then maybe the people with pre-existing conditions. Just cost too much to hire.
abhorrent1: BitwiseShift: The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products or are female or obese or minority in order to keep health insurance premiums lowThere. Enhanced It For You.Forgot something
vernonFL: As an ex-smoker, smoking is an addiction that should be covered just like an alcohol or other drug addiction. Smokers should have to pay significantly more for their health insurance.
Uranus Is Huge!: Can any of the freedom loving opponents of this policy explain why employers should be prohibited from discriminating against smokers? Do you believe that tobacco users should be a protected class? Do you believe that the ADA should be interpreted to protect smokers? What is the rational beyond, "I like to smoke?"
Mock26: Science_Guy_3.14159: I know this is Florida but have you heard of something called The Constitution?Would you care to quote the part of the Constitution that protects smokers?
super_grass: As long as we can do the same for people with alcohol, obesity, or substance abuse issues, i don't see a problem.
stonelotus: hiring stupid people still okay.
Cheron: As a nonsmoker I think this is a bad idea. Can they also not hire some one who eats fast food, rides a bike without a helmet or has multiple sex partners? When we use health cost as a measuring stick we can restrict all sorts of legal behavior because they statistically increase risk.
Dafuq: All you people saying that fat people should be discrimitated against aren't looking at the big picture. No one forces you to smoke, but you still have to eat. Healthy eating is way more expensive than eating processed crap that causes obesity. I didn't eat a lot myself, but was 270 on the scale. I changed my diet and have lost 50 pounds so far. My grocery bill is also up about $70 a week. My sister was was very big herself. She didn't eat a lot, as her family was very poor. What they could afford to eat is what caused the weight gain. No amount of exercise will cause you to loose that much weight if you still eat like crap. Their second daughter is very active in sports, but still chunky.Smokers know the risks when they start smoking. They can suck it.
Rufus Lee King: All kidding aside, this sort of stuff enters into dangerous territory.
Jon iz teh kewl: MikeMc: How does the city of Delray feel about purple drank?/asking for a frienduh only if u have a legal prescription. and drink small amounts at once.
cman: Wow, subs, its too damn early for this kind of trollin
MikeMc: You know who takes the most sick days? Smokers? Nope. Fat chicksGolfers.
GCD: Here's a question for all of you:Would you WILLINGLY pay to cover someone who deliberately harmed themselves by hacking off a limb?I'm willing to guess the answer there is going to be "No".
HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Until such time as it is made illegal this sort of action against the users of tobacco is not going to stand up well in court.LOLSmokers aren't a protected class. The court will tell them to stop smoking or seek employment elsewhere.
JackieRabbit: vernonFL: I'm not trolling here - I smoked for years and my health insurance through my company was not more than anyone else. When I quit smoking, my costs did not go down.Health insurance companies sometimes now offer employers some discounting for encouraging employees not to smoke. They will often cover the cost of smoking cessation programs. Most don't care about employees being obese, but that's changing. But those discounts evaporate if the insurance company starts paying out more in claims for the company's employees. Smart employers know that regardless of what they do, their health insurance costs are going to go up every year. It's the cost of doing business, though many companies pass 100% of the increase off to their employees.I turned 55 this year and on 9/29, I received notice from HR that effective 10/1, the cost of my voluntary group life insurance coverage would increase by 200% because of my age. I was a bit shocked by this. HR, in their typical HR understanding, told me that open season was coming up and I could reduce my premium down to the standard rate again if I were to take no more than $50K coverage. And, why yes, this moronic recommendation did come from a 26 year old ditzy blond, who still lives with her parents.
Spartacus Outlaw: They are using a hypothetical $12,000 a year cost of insurance and disability. The figure must be an average, taken from a few who get sick and then they spread the cost out over everyone who smokes to come up with a figure that they then say applies to everyone. Okay, that didn't make much sense.
doubled99: The "troll" is just as legitimate an argument.
Vegan Meat Popsicle: RickyWilliams'sBong: Can't tax or discriminate against the fatasses though, of courseOnly because of stupid people like you and your brainless attitude toward the subject. I'm all for taxing fatasses. And alcoholics.You want to put risk into the system? Pay. Not a tough concept. Although I'd be okay with a system that fat lardos, braindead smokers and alcoholics could sign on to that permanently exempts every medical professional in the country from treating them if they can't pay cash or produce an insurance card as an alternative and which states that if a professional chooses to treat them anyway that all costs associated with the treatment are strictly there's to assume if the lardo/smoker/alcoholic can't pay for the treatment. Just don't really know how you'd implement it.Smokers are the dumbest, most selfish people on the planet. "Oh no! I do something that has no social or economic benefit but incurs social and economic costs and people don't like that! Why won't other people pay the price for my decisions! It's my right to inflict costs on everyone else for my own pleasure!"Idiots.
badhatharry: Egoy3k: So if someone were to irregularly use tobacco then what? I mean what if they give themselves snuff suppositories or something?It will show up on your drug test.
Jon iz teh kewl: if smoking is soo bad plz make it ILLEGAL. if u find fault in this sentence, legalize pot
BitwiseShift: The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products or are female in order to keep health insurance premiums lowThere. Enhanced It For You.
JonPace: Don't they already pay more?
JonPace: vernonFL: As an ex-smoker, smoking is an addiction that should be covered just like an alcohol or other drug addiction. Smokers should have to pay significantly more for their health insurance.Don't they already pay more?
BitwiseShift: The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products or are female or obese in order to keep health insurance premiums lowThere. Enhanced It For You.
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