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(Sun Sentinel)   The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products in order to keep health insurance premiums low   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 331
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2012-10-02 03:42:05 PM

stonicus: Mock26: Science_Guy_3.14159: I know this is Florida but have you heard of something called The Constitution?

Would you care to quote the part of the Constitution that protects smokers?

The part that doesn't say "we can oppress smokers". You need to learn what the Constitution is actually saying. It's not a list of your rights. It's much much greater than that.


The Constitution does not work that way.

If what you say is true, however, then explain how it is legal (and constitutional) for states to pass legislation that bans same-sex marriages. After all, the Constitution does not say that "we can oppress homosexuals."
 
2012-10-02 03:42:42 PM

FizixJunkee: stonelotus: Mishno: stonelotus: hiring stupid people still okay.

They're actually selecting for a higher proportion of non-stupid people by refusing to hire smokers. This is a true statement, statistically, the lower a person's intelligence is, the more likely it is they are a smoker.

source, please.

First link Google provided:

Link


That's interesting reading. I smoke and I smoke but my IQ is at 138. I must be an anomaly.
 
2012-10-02 03:56:13 PM

Pair-o-Dice: FizixJunkee: stonelotus: Mishno: stonelotus: hiring stupid people still okay.

They're actually selecting for a higher proportion of non-stupid people by refusing to hire smokers. This is a true statement, statistically, the lower a person's intelligence is, the more likely it is they are a smoker.

source, please.

First link Google provided:

Link

That's interesting reading. I smoke and I smoke but my IQ is at 138. I must be an anomaly.


Me too...but the highest I have scored is 132, but the last two times were 122 and 119.

/and I favorited you as smart guy...we will see. ; )
 
2012-10-02 03:57:29 PM
Next up: fatties.
After that: people who do not exercise regularly.
etc.
 
2012-10-02 04:09:16 PM
The dirty little secrete is that local, state, and federal governments have gotten so used the sweet sweet tax money they get from cigarette purchases that if everyone were to quit, there would be in a world of shiat...
 
2012-10-02 04:11:02 PM
One day they get rid of the smokers, the next thing you know they're telling us what we can and can't wear to work. Utter bullcrap.
 
2012-10-02 04:25:56 PM
Wonder if the ban includes e-cigarettes? The big knock on smoking is well, the smoking. E-cigs atomize nicotine suspended in a solution similar to what is used in asthma inhalers; the e-cig user exhales a nearly odorless vapor.

I've been using e-cigs for about a year. I feel much better; no more coughing up half a lung every morning, no more smelly clothes and hair, I can vape at my desk at work, my car stays much cleaner inside, and it's a whole lot cheaper than tobacco to boot.

My doctor told me if e-cigs work for me, go for it, and he certified me as a non-smoker for my annual health insurance renewal.
 
2012-10-02 04:29:29 PM

Pair-o-Dice: FizixJunkee: stonelotus: Mishno: stonelotus: hiring stupid people still okay.

They're actually selecting for a higher proportion of non-stupid people by refusing to hire smokers. This is a true statement, statistically, the lower a person's intelligence is, the more likely it is they are a smoker.

source, please.

First link Google provided:

Link

That's interesting reading. I smoke and I smoke but my IQ is at 138. I must be an anomaly.


That's how statistics work. The research described in almost all of the links returned on a google of "smoking cigarettes intelligence" indicates the dumber a person is, the more likely they are a smoker. Not "only dumb people smoke". There's some indication of: "the longer you smoke, the dumber you get", too. Maybe you used to have an IQ of 138....

I don't really care if you smoke, as long as no one who doesn't want to, can smell it. And don't throw your butts on the ground.
 
2012-10-02 04:43:11 PM
DeusMeh


the real issue here, and i'm shocked, shocked i tells you, that you fark independents and small gov't types aren't outraged about this.
So you've conceded democrats are controlling fascists?
 
2012-10-02 05:10:23 PM
Makes me wonder if Delray's immediate neighbor, Boynton, had anything to do with this. They have been corrupted by first-cousin sexting, after all
 
2012-10-02 05:12:24 PM
Vegan Meat Popsicle:

Your posts have the tone of a little kid jamming his fingers in his ears and screaming at full volume.

\ Caffeine is a vegan right?
 
2012-10-02 05:18:06 PM

benagain: So it's ok to deny employment to smokers, but what about fat people? Would as many people agree with denying the obese as they do smoking? I don't smoke anymore, and wish I had never started, but it's the principle of the matter. If a city government can do this, then where will the line be drawn?

435,000 deaths caused by smoking.

400,000 deaths caused by obesity.

If you ban smoking, then you will have to get rid of the snack machine in the break room. All this is going to do is have people lying about smoking to get a job and piss off the people who don't want to lie.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/6438.php


Why get rid of the snack machine? If I chose to not be a lazy ass and live a good healthy life, should I not be able to enjoy a treat now and then?

Instead, have the snack machine utilize a keycard system. Those who can keep their body fat percentage less than that of a beluga whale will have access to the snack machine.
 
2012-10-02 05:22:32 PM

careless lisper: benagain: So it's ok to deny employment to smokers, but what about fat people? Would as many people agree with denying the obese as they do smoking? I don't smoke anymore, and wish I had never started, but it's the principle of the matter. If a city government can do this, then where will the line be drawn?

435,000 deaths caused by smoking.

400,000 deaths caused by obesity.

If you ban smoking, then you will have to get rid of the snack machine in the break room. All this is going to do is have people lying about smoking to get a job and piss off the people who don't want to lie.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/6438.php

Why get rid of the snack machine? If I chose to not be a lazy ass and live a good healthy life, should I not be able to enjoy a treat now and then?

Instead, have the snack machine utilize a keycard system. Those who can keep their body fat percentage less than that of a beluga whale will have access to the snack machine.


Such snack foods are bad for you. Therefore you must not have them.

IMHO it's most likely true that a cigarette once a week would not significantly harm you, any more than a chocolate bar a week would.
 
2012-10-02 05:41:06 PM

Mishno: stonelotus: Mishno: stonelotus: hiring stupid people still okay.

They're actually selecting for a higher proportion of non-stupid people by refusing to hire smokers. This is a true statement, statistically, the lower a person's intelligence is, the more likely it is they are a smoker.

source, please.

Link


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2012-10-02 06:15:19 PM

Cyclonic Cooking Action: Your posts have the tone of a little kid jamming his fingers in his ears and screaming at full volume.


I've cited a 50-year study from British Medical Journal about life expectancy, a study from Vrije Universiteit about sick days of smokers, a U.S. Navy study about smoker under performance and four stats from the CDC in defense of my comments.

Number of citations of any kind anybody arguing with me has offered? Exactly zero.

But, yea, I'm probably the one refusing to acknowledge reality here. 

And if your complaint is the tone of my posts? Too farking bad. Smokers are morons and don't deserve any respect.
 
2012-10-02 06:20:29 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: blah,blah, blah... Smokers are morons and don't deserve any respect.


You are a huge asshole and don't deserve any respect either with your attitude.
 
2012-10-02 06:39:07 PM

En0ch_The_Red: Wonder if the ban includes e-cigarettes? The big knock on smoking is well, the smoking. E-cigs atomize nicotine suspended in a solution similar to what is used in asthma inhalers; the e-cig user exhales a nearly odorless vapor.

I've been using e-cigs for about a year. I feel much better; no more coughing up half a lung every morning, no more smelly clothes and hair, I can vape at my desk at work, my car stays much cleaner inside, and it's a whole lot cheaper than tobacco to boot.

My doctor told me if e-cigs work for me, go for it, and he certified me as a non-smoker for my annual health insurance renewal.


Cool story, bro.
 
2012-10-02 07:02:46 PM

Cyclonic Cooking Action: You are a huge asshole and don't deserve any respect either with your attitude.


And, yet, I'm still right. Imagine that.
 
2012-10-02 07:16:54 PM
It's so weird to me that people get so hysterical and smug about smoking.

It's not allowed in pretty much any public building in the country, now shut the fark up and move on.
 
2012-10-02 07:29:39 PM
We're overdue for a new drug war anyway.
So lets get busy making a new kind of second class citizen while unlearning everything the last two bans taught us!
 
2012-10-02 08:33:50 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: elysive: WTF sorts of "healthy foods" are you buying at the grocery stores to make this excuse? My weekly grocery bill for my bf and I is lower than my weekly junk food/eating out tab was when I lived alone and was obese. That means I pay less now to feed two people than I used to spend just to feed myself. Some weeks we spend over $20 on fruit alone. Healthy eating requires much more effort than junky/process/convenience eating but it is not truly more expensive.

I suppose a person could live exclusively on ramen noodles or kraft mac n cheese and see their bills go up when they start eating real food, but pasta, rice and beans are fairly healthy staples and they are even cheaper. Most obese people don't get that way eating ramen. There's usually some expensive soda or fast food involved.

i kinda got obese eating ramen. i'm still trying to lose the 10 lbs so i can get back into the "overweight" category


Man, that's a sucky thing to have to eat in large quantities. That said, and not that I know your current diet, I doubt it would break your stingy/lazy bank to just switch over to rice and beans and the increase in fiber alone (and reduction in sodium though it's pretty much a one time loss of water) would do wonders for your weight loss.

Sadly the BMI that determines the poundage a person should be doesn't mean too much. You'd probably be better off/wouldn't have to worry so specifically about 10 lb if you focused on adding some exercise to the regimen. Muscle > fat. How a person looks and feels > numbers on the scale.
 
2012-10-02 08:36:31 PM
The federal government has two departments that deal with the wholesomeness of products, USDA and FDA. If something is found to be unwholesome (in this case as fit for human consumption), the government could remove said product from the shelves. The reality being, that in moderation, the use of tobacco products has minimal negative effects on the population, thus prohibiting the FDA from labeling the product unfit for human consumption.

OR

Tobacco products are actually that bad for you, are the cause of death for all users who aren't killed by alternative means, and still allow people to peddle poison because of the sizable donation of sin taxes.
 
2012-10-02 08:38:02 PM
*not fit
 
2012-10-02 09:19:08 PM

way south: We're overdue for a new drug war anyway.
So lets get busy making a new kind of second class citizen while unlearning everything the last two bans taught us!


Who's banning smoking? Oh, right nobody... don't light up near that strawman. You might burn to death.
 
2012-10-02 09:58:12 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: way south: We're overdue for a new drug war anyway.
So lets get busy making a new kind of second class citizen while unlearning everything the last two bans taught us!

Who's banning smoking? Oh, right nobody... don't light up near that strawman. You might burn to death.


They don't need to ban it per say, just make it too expensive to maintain the hobby. The supply/demand mechanics work out the same, and all that much faster if users are being denied employment or insurance.
Lets also not kid ourselves. When the nanny state gets going on a subject, a ban is always the inevitable goal. You are either being willfully naive or short sighted to suggest otherwise.

/its for our own good, of course.
/and the good of the black market, which is currently raking it in on people dodging cigarette taxes.
 
2012-10-02 11:26:44 PM
These threads are always great for helping me identify the smug axeholes on this site, I think we should have one at least once a week.
 
2012-10-03 12:23:05 AM

Autarky: as a smoker, I am ok with this as long as they also ban all of the disgusting obese from working


THIS.

Also, f(k you, Subby.
 
2012-10-03 04:00:03 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Itstoearly: Jon iz teh kewl: if smoking is soo bad plz make it ILLEGAL. if u find fault in this sentence, legalize pot

OK, I legalized pot. Now what would you like me to do?

convince my mom to let me smoke it in the house


You shouldn't be smoking anything until you reach the age of 18.
 
2012-10-03 06:27:00 AM

MikeMc: ringersol: PallMall: "It's discrimination to single out a group of folks who are addicted to cigarettes, but not the ones who are addicted to food."

1. You don't see any difference between habitually ingesting a known carcinogen and poor diet?
2. I thought smokers were addicted to nicotine. Couldn't you be addicted to nicotine gum and not run afoul of this policy? It doesn't sound like the *addiction* is at issue here.

They will most likely test for nicotine.


But you could be chewing nicotine gum, therefore you would test positive while being a nonsmoker. Wonder what they will do in this case?
 
2012-10-03 08:50:52 AM

PastaFazoole: MikeMc: ringersol: PallMall: "It's discrimination to single out a group of folks who are addicted to cigarettes, but not the ones who are addicted to food."

1. You don't see any difference between habitually ingesting a known carcinogen and poor diet?
2. I thought smokers were addicted to nicotine. Couldn't you be addicted to nicotine gum and not run afoul of this policy? It doesn't sound like the *addiction* is at issue here.

They will most likely test for nicotine.

But you could be chewing nicotine gum, therefore you would test positive while being a nonsmoker. Wonder what they will do in this case?


umm, i'm guessing they don't test?? it's pretty easy to see if someone is smoking on the job..
 
2012-10-03 09:19:43 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: PastaFazoole: MikeMc: ringersol: PallMall: "It's discrimination to single out a group of folks who are addicted to cigarettes, but not the ones who are addicted to food."

1. You don't see any difference between habitually ingesting a known carcinogen and poor diet?
2. I thought smokers were addicted to nicotine. Couldn't you be addicted to nicotine gum and not run afoul of this policy? It doesn't sound like the *addiction* is at issue here.

They will most likely test for nicotine.

But you could be chewing nicotine gum, therefore you would test positive while being a nonsmoker. Wonder what they will do in this case?

umm, i'm guessing they don't test?? it's pretty easy to see if someone is smoking on the job..


no distinction was made based on where the smoking takes place. I smoke less than a pack a week. I don't smoke inside my house and might smoke 1-2 cigarettes at home in a week. I work from home but when I had an office I didn't smoke at the workplace. I pretty much just smoke when I go to a bar and have a few drinks or if I'm driving longer distances (anything over 20 minutes). I'm still considered a smoker and would be not be eligible for hire in Delray Beach (15 minutes away from me btw).

what's funny is that you can still smoke at a lot of restaurants here in FL, including the Atlantic Ave. strip in Delray Beach. they usually get that banned first.
 
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