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(Sun Sentinel)   The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products in order to keep health insurance premiums low   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 331
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2012-10-02 11:39:00 AM
Either carry out your employer's insurance-approved exercise regimen TO THE LETTER, or find another job sluggard! Good luck finding one!
 
2012-10-02 11:39:14 AM

abhorrent1: BitwiseShift: The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products or are female or obese in order to keep health insurance premiums low

There. Enhanced It For You.

Forgot something


What about internet addictions? Might not result in higher insurance premiums, but sure costs a lot in terms of lost productivity.
 
2012-10-02 11:41:36 AM
Wait, how is being a fatty a drain on the system?

/fatty
//Been to the doctor once in the last few years
///ear infections aren't fat related
////bet dollars to donuts that skinny people go more
//mmmm donuts
 
2012-10-02 11:42:09 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: skullkrusher: except the whole "CHOOSE" part of that is bogus. You don't CHOOSE to have a history of heart disease but if you do, you create a significant risk above and beyond. The costs of coverage don't care if the higher outlay is due to voluntary behavior or a bad genetic hand being dealt.

The fact that I only referenced choices in no way excludes inherent traits so I don't really get what your point is. Yes, if you're born with a genetic defect that the insurance company knows about you'll pay more. But that's not what this thread is about. This thread is about presumably otherwise healthy people choosing to make themselves unhealthy and then whining that the choice has consequences. Making a choice to become unhealthy should have consequences related to health insurance. ESPECIALLY since people who have no choice in the matter already have their health problems held against them from day one.

If we're going to say it's okay to discriminate on health premiums against people born with defects, we should definitely be discriminating against defects who choose to have health problems.


This is a load of crap. If you draw out the costs of smokers vs non smokers over an entire life spam (Smokers being shorter on average) the costs for the insurance company are basically a wash. And that is assuming you do not develop cancer or some other debilitating disease in one of the other million ways that are not smoking related.

Next up they are going to indicate that if you do not take public transportation you are taking choice based risks to your health and increase your premium further. Or if you play sports or have ever played sports they won't cover any "impact" related stresses or injuries.

And the most entertaining thing about this is the fact it is just another money grab by an industry that should not even exist in the first place.
 
2012-10-02 11:43:35 AM

PlatinumDragon: Either carry out your employer's insurance-approved exercise regimen TO THE LETTER, or find another job sluggard other insurance! Good luck finding one!

 
2012-10-02 11:44:15 AM

Chafed Willi: Wait, how is being a fatty a drain on the system?


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Citation
 
2012-10-02 11:44:55 AM

FistingMidgets: To all those wanting them to discriminate against stupid - they are. Only a stupid person would smoke knowing all the cost, addiction and health issues.


but at least you get to feel superior on the internet.
 
2012-10-02 11:50:27 AM

PallMall: kimmygibblershomework: Meanwhile, nepotism

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FistingMidgets: To all those wanting them to discriminate against stupid - they are. Only a stupid person would smoke knowing all the cost, addiction and health issues.

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So pleasure is the reason to smoke? I am sure heroine provides even greater pleasure so why not do that?

There are all kinds of things that can give pleasure with detrimental consequences. You have to think a bit about the decisions you make (something stupid people tend not to do).
 
2012-10-02 11:53:03 AM
Rather than spend even more money advertising that cigarettes are bad, let's just take the filters out and not worry about the bad crap - let people smoke themselves to death. It's a free country, they can smoke if they want, but let's at least reduce the burden on the system by making the cigarettes as deadly as possible.
 
2012-10-02 11:53:21 AM
Perhaps they should review people with children too, kids cost a lot of money to keep healthy.
 
2012-10-02 11:53:32 AM

PallMall: probesport: PallMall: So you can refuse to hire someone because they're fat? Obviously you have no experience in hiring employees.

The job requires all employees be able to bend down, pick up 40 lbs then carry it 10 feet.

If they can't, they're disabled... so you have to get a fork-lift addon to their hover-round. Blame the ADA.


You have to make reasonable accommodation, that is not reasonable for this position, which is on the moon.
 
2012-10-02 11:57:46 AM

FistingMidgets: I am sure heroine provides even greater pleasure so why not do that?


I get pleasure from my heroine all the time.

zarberg: Rather than spend even more money advertising that cigarettes are bad, let's just take the filters out and not worry about the bad crap - let people smoke themselves to death. It's a free country, they can smoke if they want, but let's at least reduce the burden on the system by making the cigarettes as deadly as possible.


Same goes for fatty foods. Make sure to put arsenic in every cheeseburger, shake, bacon slice etc. So that greasy fat farks won't steal as much air as they would otherwise.
 
2012-10-02 11:59:33 AM

probesport: PallMall: probesport: PallMall: So you can refuse to hire someone because they're fat? Obviously you have no experience in hiring employees.

The job requires all employees be able to bend down, pick up 40 lbs then carry it 10 feet.

If they can't, they're disabled... so you have to get a fork-lift addon to their hover-round. Blame the ADA.

You have to make reasonable accommodation, that is not reasonable for this position, which is on the moon.


Sounds pretty reasonable to me. It didn't require an entire forklift, just a kit to be retrofitted to the fatty's (previously obtained through government handout) hover round - technically a moon rover already.
 
2012-10-02 12:01:53 PM
How does the city of Delray feel about purple drank?

/asking for a friend
 
2012-10-02 12:03:57 PM

PallMall: Chafed Willi: Wait, how is being a fatty a drain on the system?


Citation


Oh good, I don't fall into the morbid category so I'm just as much of a drain as someone with a bmi of 26.

Thanks for the clarification, none of which applies to me.
 
2012-10-02 12:04:40 PM

MikeMc: How does the city of Delray feel about purple drank?

/asking for a friend


uh only if u have a legal prescription. and drink small amounts at once.
 
2012-10-02 12:09:10 PM
However, you may still drink until your liver rots out, be -- especially if you're a guy -- 100 lbs overweight (and all of that poking out the front of your uniform shirt), smoke pot, do meth and be hooked on any of assorted painkillers.

I wonder how the guys who have to go into reeking sewer systems feel about this? After several hours wading through thigh high human shiat full of who knows what nasty diseases, I'd think a relaxing smoke would be welcome.

Not to mention working in the repair shop, where they get to be exposed to all sorts of chemicals and krud on the garbage and spray trucks. (The mechanics often have to pull dead rats off transmissions and dig bolt heads out of packed, rotting garbage along with being exposed to vast amounts of low grade diesel fuel.)

And they're worried about tobacco usage?
 
2012-10-02 12:09:12 PM
It's all rehab/recovery centers in Delray. Heavily Jewish. Nice beach.
 
2012-10-02 12:10:27 PM

super_grass: As long as we can do the same for people with alcohol, obesity, or substance abuse issues, i don't see a problem.


Agreed, but you left a few out. Here's a good (but not comprehensive) starter list:

Smokers
Obese People
Anyone who drinks more than one glass of red wine on occasion
Anyone who uses any potentially addictive drug, whether recreationally or by prescription
Homosexuals
Anyone who engages in sex outside of a fully monogamous heterosexual relationship (proof of monogamy required--it's insurance, after all)
Anyone who engages in sex with a partner who has or has ever had an STD
Anyone with any kind of pre-existing condition (including migraines, high blood pressure, diabetes, seizures [even childhood seizures that no longer occur], etc.)
Anyone who drives a motor vehicle during times of high traffic volumes
Anyone who drives a two-wheeled vehicle--motorized or non-motorized--without a helmet, regardless of state law
Anyone who engages in any sporting activity such as skiing, mountain biking, hiking, or other activities which could be considered dangerous
Anyone who eats at any sort of fast-food restaurant more than once a month


Seriously, whether you think smoking is disgusting or not, you might want to think about speaking up because if you let this stand, that list is where this is headed. It's not a smoker's rights issue, it's a personal liberty issue. Smokers are just the easy targets right now. Next, yes, it will be the obese folks, then the gay folks... then it will be the straight folks who have more than one partner in "x" period of time, or the folks who have an STD in "x" period of time, the folks who enjoy "x" sporting activities... and so on. If you can't see the road they're starting down with this, then you haven't been paying attention--not to history, not to anything that's happened in the last twenty years. There's nothing new under the sun; you can call it different, but the only thing that's changed is the year.
 
2012-10-02 12:11:12 PM
FTA: "Smokers can cost a company or government agency an average of $12,000 a year in health and disability-related costs."

So they have potentially saved the city $12,000. I guess they have nothing more important to deal with.
 
2012-10-02 12:11:15 PM

billybobtoo: It's all rehab/recovery centers in Delray. Heavily Jewish. Nice beach.


In Southern Florida? NO. FARKING. WAY!?!?!
 
2012-10-02 12:11:44 PM

Rik01: However, you may still drink until your liver rots out, be -- especially if you're a guy -- 100 lbs overweight (and all of that poking out the front of your uniform shirt), smoke pot, do meth and be hooked on any of assorted painkillers.

I wonder how the guys who have to go into reeking sewer systems feel about this? After several hours wading through thigh high human shiat full of who knows what nasty diseases, I'd think a relaxing smoke would be welcome.

Not to mention working in the repair shop, where they get to be exposed to all sorts of chemicals and krud on the garbage and spray trucks. (The mechanics often have to pull dead rats off transmissions and dig bolt heads out of packed, rotting garbage along with being exposed to vast amounts of low grade diesel fuel.)

And they're worried about tobacco usage?


hint: nobody does all that crap without smoking. if ur doing meth, you're smoking. it's the least common denominator
the LCD

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2012-10-02 12:12:34 PM

RevMark: FTA: "Smokers can cost a company or government agency an average of $12,000 a year in health and disability-related costs."

So they have potentially saved the city $12,000. I guess they have nothing more important to deal with.


So they call it a disability, yet discriminate? Where's the crippled, sue-happy lawyer from Sac when you need him?
 
2012-10-02 12:14:31 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: MikeMc: How does the city of Delray feel about purple drank?

/asking for a friend

uh only if u have a legal prescription. and drink small amounts at once.


If you have a legal prescription and drink small amounts you're not calling it "purple drank"...
 
2012-10-02 12:14:34 PM
They the City of Delray would just replace all the people with robotics, they could eliminate the entire health budget completely.

People are expensive. Why hire them at all?
 
2012-10-02 12:15:21 PM

scarmig: The the City of Delray could just replace all the people with robotics, then could eliminate the entire health budget completely.

People are expensive. Why hire them at all?

 
2012-10-02 12:16:28 PM

scarmig: They the City of Delray would just replace all the people with robotics golems, they could eliminate the entire health budget completely.


Fixed that for Jew.
 
2012-10-02 12:16:29 PM
but we can still use bath salts right?


/kiss my fat @$$
//feminazi scum
 
2012-10-02 12:17:09 PM
Soooo... when are they going to stop hiring fat people?
 
2012-10-02 12:17:25 PM

cig-mkr: Perhaps they should review people with children too, kids cost a lot of money to keep healthy.


especially the fat ones.
 
2012-10-02 12:18:06 PM

MikeMc: Jon iz teh kewl: MikeMc: How does the city of Delray feel about purple drank?

/asking for a friend

uh only if u have a legal prescription. and drink small amounts at once.

If you have a legal prescription and drink small amounts you're not calling it "purple drank"...


if you're gay you might. don't rule out gay people.
 
2012-10-02 12:18:14 PM

Rufus Lee King: All kidding aside, this sort of stuff enters into dangerous territory.


It does, but it's a discussion worth having.

You've got to eat to live. Fat people (including "glandular" types, which are vanishingly rare in real life) eat too much and/or the wrong things. If they diet to a healthy weight that reduces their propensity toward fat-related diseases, they eat less and better.

Smokers don't smoke less or better. They voluntarily smoke (well, until they get addicted to the delicious nicotine) until they quit, entirely. Smoking was never necessary. Also, unless they stroke out on the highway or fall on you to the point of crushing you, the fattie's overeating doesn't (unless you are in a lifeboat!) in the normal course of event affect the non-fat person.

Smoker's smoke can damage the health of non-smokers due to proximity. Smokers who pass out or fall asleep while smoking can burn down buildings and chucking butts out of moving cars passing drought-stricken forests has been known to burn down said forests and nearby suburbs.

Aesthetically displeasing People of Wal-Mart don't really have the same health impact, in my view, even if they are hard on the eyes.

Full disclosure: I am the non-smoking offspring of two smokers. One parent stopped in the '70s and self-incented by putting away the cost of a pack or so per day until he died of non-smoking related illness at 82, and the other quit in 1998 only to die of a post-operative clot in 2002 at 68 years old after the removal of a cancerous lung. She waited too long, it seems, but she had four years post-slavery.
 
2012-10-02 12:22:09 PM

Dafuq: All you people saying that fat people should be discrimitated against aren't looking at the big picture. No one forces you to smoke, but you still have to eat. Healthy eating is way more expensive than eating processed crap that causes obesity. I didn't eat a lot myself, but was 270 on the scale. I changed my diet and have lost 50 pounds so far. My grocery bill is also up about $70 a week. My sister was was very big herself. She didn't eat a lot, as her family was very poor. What they could afford to eat is what caused the weight gain. No amount of exercise will cause you to loose that much weight if you still eat like crap. Their second daughter is very active in sports, but still chunky.

Smokers know the risks when they start smoking. They can suck it.


WTF sorts of "healthy foods" are you buying at the grocery stores to make this excuse? My weekly grocery bill for my bf and I is lower than my weekly junk food/eating out tab was when I lived alone and was obese. That means I pay less now to feed two people than I used to spend just to feed myself. Some weeks we spend over $20 on fruit alone. Healthy eating requires much more effort than junky/process/convenience eating but it is not truly more expensive.

I suppose a person could live exclusively on ramen noodles or kraft mac n cheese and see their bills go up when they start eating real food, but pasta, rice and beans are fairly healthy staples and they are even cheaper. Most obese people don't get that way eating ramen. There's usually some expensive soda or fast food involved.
 
2012-10-02 12:22:30 PM

Valiente: Aesthetically displeasing People of Wal-Mart don't really have the same health impact, in my view, even if they are hard on the eyes


Having to view these people is a mental health issue and every bit as damaging.
 
2012-10-02 12:23:10 PM

Cast: As a smoker, I would point out that we are subsidizing your own healthcare and social security, since we pay massive taxes towards healthcare that you don't, and won't live long enough to be a leech on the system. Ultimately, it is healthy farks that go to the doctor every 3 months and for every little nothing that will drag the nation into bankruptcy.

But by all means, keep blaming the evil smelly smokers.


I don't know about health insurance, but I have read that smokers are much more likely to be injured at work than non-smokers, so there is a real risk that employers will have to shell out more for worker's compensation if they employ smokers.

\don't know the reason for that, but it was speculated that nicotine cravings distract smoker employees, leading to injuries
 
2012-10-02 12:25:33 PM
I do not smoke and tend to despise people who "go outside" to smoke but stand in the doorway forcing me to walk through it.

Even I, in all my bias against smoking, can see that this goes too far.
 
2012-10-02 12:26:53 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: MikeMc: Jon iz teh kewl: MikeMc: How does the city of Delray feel about purple drank?

/asking for a friend

uh only if u have a legal prescription. and drink small amounts at once.

If you have a legal prescription and drink small amounts you're not calling it "purple drank"...

if you're gay you might. don't rule out gay people.


i finally favorited you in grey 1 as idiot. ffs.
 
2012-10-02 12:26:54 PM

Cheron: As a nonsmoker I think this is a bad idea. Can they also not hire some one who eats fast food, rides a bike without a helmet or has multiple sex partners? When we use health cost as a measuring stick we can restrict all sorts of legal behavior because they statistically increase risk.


If you get AIDS and your employer finds out, I'm pretty sure they'll find a way to fire you.

Some things never change.
 
2012-10-02 12:36:54 PM
aids
1,000,000 homosexual males
275,000 needle users
1 contaminated blood transfusion

See? Aids EFFECTS US ALLL!!!!!
Now then , if youll excuse me im gonna go to a public 'bath house' and savage some stain holes , so dont touch my bennies while im gone!! Goddamn breeders


Smoking is a repulsive habit(and I aughta know,I smoked 18 years),but a habit is ALL it is and all the knee jerking hand wringing and sobbing about it being a terrible 'disease' is nonsense.The state shouldnt limit hiring peolpe who smoke? The state shouldnt be in the business of introducing destructive habit forming devices into the population in the first place,revenue potential be damned! If a Government entity decides to do something like this then it should be done in tandem with generous smoke cessation progams.
 
2012-10-02 12:44:55 PM
Love to see my hometown getting in on the action.
 
2012-10-02 12:49:21 PM
hiring stupid people still okay.
 
2012-10-02 12:51:09 PM

MikeMc: Valiente: Aesthetically displeasing People of Wal-Mart don't really have the same health impact, in my view, even if they are hard on the eyes

Having to view these people is a mental health issue and every bit as damaging.


Well, I feel that way about reality TV/Lohan/Kardashians, but it's an allegedly free world and I can avert my eyes in many other directions.

I can't stop breathing when I walk through a cloud of tobacco smoke. Not without purpling up at the two-minute mark, anyway.
 
2012-10-02 12:57:19 PM

PlatinumDragon: Mote, beam, eye, etc.


Except I'm the one proposing that I be held responsible for those things...

Cyrorm: Gee, so nice of you to stero-type all smokers.


The facts have already been cited, scroll up the thread. You're less productive and you're out sick more. You're a shiatty worker and you should be fired for smoking.

Kazrath: If you draw out the costs of smokers vs non smokers over an entire life spam (Smokers being shorter on average) the costs for the insurance company are basically a wash


You people keep saying that, and I've been trying to ignore it, but it's not true. You're lying. Stop lying.

Kazrath: Next up they are going to indicate that if you do not take public transportation you are taking choice based risks to your health and increase your premium further.


Why do you keep making analogies when you clearly have no idea how an insurance risk pool works? Protip: if the vast majority of people in the pool all do the same thing, like drive to work, then the pool already includes costs associated with that risk. Your analogy. It is made of fail and wrong.
 
2012-10-02 01:05:49 PM

Rufus Lee King: Health insurance? What's that?


A mafia like extortion tactic to profit off a business while providing a "protection" tax to the consumer to increase profits and decrease service.
 
2012-10-02 01:07:59 PM

Valiente: Rufus Lee King: All kidding aside, this sort of stuff enters into dangerous territory.

It does, but it's a discussion worth having.

You've got to eat to live. Fat people (including "glandular" types, which are vanishingly rare in real life) eat too much and/or the wrong things. If they diet to a healthy weight that reduces their propensity toward fat-related diseases, they eat less and better.

Smokers don't smoke less or better. They voluntarily smoke (well, until they get addicted to the delicious nicotine) until they quit, entirely. Smoking was never necessary. Also, unless they stroke out on the highway or fall on you to the point of crushing you, the fattie's overeating doesn't (unless you are in a lifeboat!) in the normal course of event affect the non-fat person.


So, fark smokers, and fark people who need a life raft. Got it. Those fat bastards should have never even gotten close to a body of water!! I do love the way you worded it though: Unless they do something that affects you, the fatty doesn't affect you. People do stroke out on the highway. People do need life rafts from time to time.

Smoker's smoke can damage the health of non-smokers due to proximity. Smokers who pass out or fall asleep while smoking can burn down buildings and chucking butts out of moving cars passing drought-stricken forests has been known to burn down said forests and nearby suburbs.

And fires from people cooking NEVER happen. I see inmates on the side of the road picking up McDonald's bags and empty cups with straws all day long. But littering is harmless.

Aesthetically displeasing People of Wal-Mart don't really have the same health impact, in my view, even if they are hard on the eyes.

If only it were that. But their excess eating has an impact on the environment. Animals don't give birth to little burgers wrapped up in a carboard box and layered with cheese. All this stuff has to be produced, which has an impact on the environment. It takes more fuel, and creates more toxic byproducts, to carry a 300 pound person to work than it does a 180 pound person.

Full disclosure: I am the non-smoking offspring of two smokers. One parent stopped in the '70s and self-incented by putting away the cost of a pack or so per day until he died of non-smoking related illness at 82, and the other quit in 1998 only to die of a post-operative clot in 2002 at 68 years old after the removal of a cancerous lung. She waited too long, it seems, but she had four years post-slavery.

She should have been smoking and enjoying herself those last 4 years...
 
2012-10-02 01:09:30 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: "The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products in order to keep health insurance premiums low"

I wouldn't hire them either. A person would have to be a special kind of stupid to use tobacco products in order to keep health insurance premiums low.


Nice catch
 
2012-10-02 01:09:42 PM

stonelotus: hiring stupid people still okay.


They're actually selecting for a higher proportion of non-stupid people by refusing to hire smokers. This is a true statement, statistically, the lower a person's intelligence is, the more likely it is they are a smoker.
 
2012-10-02 01:10:47 PM

super_grass: As long as we can do the same for people with alcohol, obesity, or substance abuse issues, i don't see a problem.


And meat-eaters, don't forget them. Oh, and atheists. Atheists are statistically more prone to illness and have shorter life spans than non-atheists, so don't hire atheists either. Gotta keep the costs down, you know.

Discrimination is a funny and very slippery slope to watch people try to walk on.
 
2012-10-02 01:13:51 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: RickyWilliams'sBong: Can't tax or discriminate against the fatasses though, of course

Only because of stupid people like you and your brainless attitude toward the subject. I'm all for taxing fatasses. And alcoholics.

You want to put risk into the system? Pay. Not a tough concept. Although I'd be okay with a system that fat lardos, braindead smokers and alcoholics could sign on to that permanently exempts every medical professional in the country from treating them if they can't pay cash or produce an insurance card as an alternative and which states that if a professional chooses to treat them anyway that all costs associated with the treatment are strictly there's to assume if the lardo/smoker/alcoholic can't pay for the treatment. Just don't really know how you'd implement it.

Smokers are the dumbest, most selfish people on the planet. "Oh no! I do something that has no social or economic benefit but incurs social and economic costs and people don't like that! Why won't other people pay the price for my decisions! It's my right to inflict costs on everyone else for my own pleasure!"

Idiots.


Your funny
 
2012-10-02 01:13:59 PM
So users of nasal snuff or Swedish snus, which have never been shown to cause any, and I mean any, form of cancer, are subject to this ban as well as those who might enjoy an occasional celebratory cigar. Sure what they mean to be attacking is cigarette smoking but the laziness that goes into this sort of thing sets a terrible precedent for future such bans.
 
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